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I have noticed that there is a lot problems to "come together" and work things out together among EHS... We come from different backgrounds, have different way to heal ourselves, have different visions for the future.
Still, in case there might some people out there who might look for approx the same things as me, here's what I'm looking for:
Looking for a new living situation:
Now living in Germany, but open for different countries in Europe. Preferably not east Europe, but countries/areas I am open for for : Scandinavia, France, Italy, Iberia, maybe Greece (although the language could be a problem).
Have a bit of saving to buy something small-medium sized/not too expensive, I look for a home near nature.
Do not use a smartphone, but do use computers etc... Maybe not excessively, but can manage a bit. Have a simple mobile I use as little as possible. A landline or other would be good if I move somewhere. But no wifi.
Or, could imagine also to live basic without that kind of access... Have done it in the past, have live in places without electricity (but for reasons other than emf).
Could rent, buy (alone or with others) something, would like to be in an area with other likeminded.
I am quite tolerant when it comes to different diets/lifestyles etc, but I have a bit problem with extreme vegans, I was a vegan myself fro many years, so I do not need anyone preaching that way on me. I am an omnivore btw, non smoker, might have a drink once in a while. I am in my late 40's, no children, so quite "free" to move where/how I wish to.
Open to different ideas, suggestions :)

I'm in a similar situation and am looking for a similar living situation, but I'm in the US for now.  I have family about 150 km from Munich and I could afford a small place somewhere in Western Europe, but I only know a tiny amount of German and my Spanish is very basic. The other factor that made me hesitate in the past is that many European countries have stricter regulations for cars, so it's more difficult to find an ES-friendly vehicle.

Working together does seem best, since we not only need to make ES-friendly houses, but also to buy enough land around them to avoid having problems with neighbors.  That's a lot more affordable to do as a group than as an individual.

I feel good when I travel in the middle of Italy, Portugal and Greece.

There is less esmog for sure, less cell towers, and somehow being there feels better.

My family lives in Brazil, and when I go there, even in Sao Paulo, big city, I feel MUCH better than here in Switzerland / Germany (south).

Maybe it's it's the hotter weather?
I don't know why, but less developed countries feel SO MUCH better.

Even if society is a mess, and life is hard in general..

The best EHS protection in my opinion, is to have a house in a valley, like in Italy, where there are no towns around.

I rarely felt so grounded during the night like in Narni, the middle of Italy.
I stayed in an agriturismo place, no cell phone towers around (we could not use the cell phone), exactly in the middle of two hills. Wonderful!!!

But Greece has wonderful isolate places too.

Portugal also feels good. I like the people, their way of life...

I would NOT go to Scandinavia, due to weather and lyme disease (stronger than here) and somehow close minded (except for the funny Finnish).

I mean, this is just my general impression.
Surely, there are exceptions.

Well, I did live in Sweden for 4 months.
They can be nice, but as a foreigner, I don't think you end up feeling good.
Plus the depressive weather most of the time...

And EXTREME state control.
I would get mad there with the feeling you are controlled the whole time.

Where in Germany are you?

I can vouch for parts of Latin America being good.  The road between Rivas and Popoyo in Nicaragua is the most comfortable place I've been so far, and the beach at Popoyo was pretty good (constant -60 dBm on my meter) despite having cellular and mobile data coverage.

It seems to be normal in Nicaragua for people to unplug their microwaves when they're not being used.  I noticed that both when visiting friends and also at Airbnb apartments, and in both Popoyo and Managua.

Even in the city the background RF levels are sometimes lower, maybe partly because the brands of network devices used there are different.  I remember one apartment in Colombia that had a steady -58 dBm RF level despite there being a cable/WiFi box 8 feet from my bed - a bit more surprising because it was in a multi-dwelling building in a densely populated middle-class neighborhood with a Claro Movil store directly across the street.

Thanks Karl and Jinna for your answers, interesting.
Karl: I have a feeling the US is so much bigger with so much more undeveloped land, there is so much space there, in between all the cities. That should be an advantage somehow.... Or? There seem in theory anyway more possibilities in the US and Canada, but I have a European passport, so not so easy just to go and live in the US. But many regulations maybe in the US

Jinna: yes, I totally agree, valleys in Italy are great, felt quite good there.
Greece I do not know so much about, but curious to get to know this country more. Could you recommend any islands, or areas?
Portugal is also nice, but things move quickly there at the moment, there seem to be a land rush, especially from people from the UK, and prices are going up, and the nice piece of land already taken. And there was the big fire from 2017 where quite a few expats told me was connected to 5G, (saying that trees block 5G and that the fire destroyed the trees....). Even if this might not be true, I don't like the idea of fire being a constant threat.
And I totally agree about Scandinavia and it's state control and tough weather.
I am in Hessen, center of Germany. There are a few quite zones in the country side around here, but the Germans are ashamed of their lack of coverage, they want to become more more modern, and want to dramatically improve it.... Compared to Scandinavia, I feel better here. But it's far from my dream place. And I would like to be more south.
La Palma? A lot of health conscious go people there, not so many sandy beaches (good, because it does not attract the crowds - trust me, I love islands and have visited many in my life, and all the beautiful ones end up being sold out to resorts, tourism, very depressing), and well south (but still part of Europe), so a lot of sunshine, people used to live in caves even, but it's still an island, with limited spaces, resources and water. Another group of 9 islands, part of Portugal: Azores. Much more rainy, but still mild temperature (but quite a lot of storms sometimes) but really in the middle of Atlantic between US and Europe, very wild, lots of space, but very rugged with mountains. In theory a good place.

I remember South east Asia around 2003-2005, I felt very good there then: the sunshine, and the lack of mobile coverage, no wifi everywhere like nowadays. Laos was amazing then, now it's a noisy, touristy party place...Well, not everywhere, but still...
If you ask for a place without wifi they look at you as if you are a bit deranged. Or, they say: "but's it's for free, you don't need to pay for it", thinking that your motives are about saving money.

Airbnb can be good solution, that's true.

Would be nice to  try to build up some sort of network or something... with big neighbourhoods free from wifi, and with less radiation, a bit everywhere in the world, so that one could either travel to them, or maybe live permanently in them.

Yes, there are a lot of empty spaces in the US. But keep in mind that our electrical grid is pretty expansive, and most of the US uses a grounding technique called Wye that makes things worse.

Visas are a problem if you want to come for a long time.  But I think that you can come more than once on the same tourist visa once you have it.  You can request a medical visa, but I'm not sure if there's any chance of using that to go to an ES refuge.  There's also a procedure for US citizens to "sponsor" visa applicants.

Actually I feel right now I want to focus on Europe, I have a tendency to look towards far away locations (grass is always greener...) , but need to now to focus on old and bit boring Europe, but there are good things here as well.

It's just sometimes easy to think "oh, lucky those in the US, they have so much more land etc", but I guess there are issues there as well.

But for instance there seem to be a big tiny house movement in the US, or ...? People can actually build pretty comfortable mobile homes nowadays, I like the fact that one could build from scratch and have it exactly the way one wants it, with the electric and all that stuff. Also, there was some examples about people saving their homes in the California fires, just because they had home on wheels...
And lets say i build a house somewhere, and after a while I realise the earth energies are not the best just at that spot, (energy grids, water veins etc). This is not some kind of mumbo jumbo, this is very real. I have been in places with very little radiation and no electricity, but still felt bad on some spots.
I have also heard that granite soils etc are not popular among emf sensitives, because somehow it conducts radiation. Sweden is very much a "granite" country, for instance.
I have been a lot in S E Asia and I loved those separate private bungalows, I really appreciate the privacy of a separate little home. Does not need to be super far from others, but here in Germany for instance, there are all these old huge house for sale... Sure great for a big family, or people who really like each other very much, but frictions could come up when living under the same roof. The thais have really found a great way. But ok, they are not sound proof and parties from neighbours could be very disturbing, but at least you have more than just one wall in between.

Yes, there are a lot of tiny houses.  And there are "vandwelling" forums also.

As long as you don't live in a city that limits the types of buildings allowed, you can build almost anything you want.

Problem with van and tiny houses on wheels, is that you can't have a landline and internet with cable.
One idea would be a house AND a tiny house or something similar. The house for cable internet/landline/fiber, and the tiny house on wheels that you could move around a good spot.
I heard that in the past, when people would build a new house, the choosing of the spot was important. People at that time also believed that some places on the earth were better than other: some maybe had pagan beliefs, for instance, but the point was that some places on the ground made you feel happier, calmer, sleep better, live in peace with others. Sheep were often used to choose a spot, where the sheep go and sleep, that would be a good/safe spot for a house.

On December 10, kara [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I heard that in the past, when people would build a new house, the
> choosing of the spot was important.

Yes indeed.  When I was on vacation in Assisi Italy, the tour guides pointed out that the churches were built on these spots with really good energy.  And indeed, in the main church there, I could feel the energy (especially in the basement which was underground) and thought it was great.

Marc

Hey Martin!! I also LOVE some small churches in Italy!!
Even my daughter, she felt it so much she decided to lie on the floor of a tiny church and enjoy the feeling!!!

It was though marble, pretty cold, but the energy is amazing.
So much 'silent'.

I do like Italy for that too.
The ancient people knew where to look for places to set their temples.

the church came after and placed their churches in older temples, same places.
Dr Klinghardt also said that if you have a nice spot close to your house and if you CONNECT your bed sheets to it, he's seen incredible healings happening. Even from bad cancer!!

In my garden, we've been trying to plant any plant with flowers for more than a decade, some spots are DEAD, nothing grows, only ants....

I changed the earth, tried again, years pass by, everything dies there. So it's not the earth.
it's something coming from under the earth. A bad energy, really.

So even if we can sleep in electrosmog free beds, sometimes the energy of the earth can be also bad...
In the past, there was knowledge linked to the earth (geomancy) that has been lost today.

People with EHS are good though to measure that, I feel, because they get more easily sick in bad spots....

Marc Martin wrote

On December 10, kara [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I heard that in the past, when people would build a new house, the
> choosing of the spot was important.

Yes indeed.  When I was on vacation in Assisi Italy, the tour guides pointed out that the churches were built on these spots with really good energy.  And indeed, in the main church there, I could feel the energy (especially in the basement which was underground) and thought it was great.

Marc

Kara, Marc, Jinna - I'm in Bogota right now, and I have the same experience near the Church at Monserrate. (I visited it several months ago, and again a few days ago.)  It's on a very tall hill, which might help to reduce ground currents.  Some places do feel better despite having relatively high RF levels.

Isn't it crazy we all have these experiences in sacred places?
I do think the earth has highly energetic and beneficial healing places, and usually, men decided to build some sacred building on top...

Dr Klinghardt said he's seen incredible healing only by connecting the patient to a healing spot on his/ her garden.

He goes out, tests the patient's garden for one specific patient (energetic tests) and when he finds a spot that is the best spot for him/ her, he asks the patient to plant a metallic pole there (copper, I think) and then to connect his bed (silver sheet or so) to the spot and sleep daily there.

He said he's seen some cases of complete remission of advanced cancer only by doing that!