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bejenang
Ive been getting a sensitivty to my crt monitor and computer.
Headaches, abdominal cramps. I cant use it for more than 20 minutes
before feeling fatigued. The computer causes a low level, but constant
stress. As soon as I sit in front of the monitor though its like a
huge blow to my state of being.

I also have a very high metabolism, trouble sleeping. I was reading
that emfs might effect the adrenal system. I think the computer has
been enhancing my already high metabolism body.

Its been hard because I do most of my work on the computer. Ive been
looking to get a new monitor at these sites

http://www.SafeLevel.com/ - "zero radiation" lcds

and here http://www.unicomplabs.com/lcd/sceptre.asp

Havent found any reviews for these sites or their products though and
dont know whats legit. I was wondering if anybody here knew about
these sites and how well the products worked. Any other sites with low
radiation lcds?

I also would like to get a shield for any new monitor and a polarizer
for me. Reduce the exposure as much as possible. First I need to get
rid of my crt.

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Re: computer question

Marc Martin
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> http://www.SafeLevel.com/ - "zero radiation" lcds
> and here http://www.unicomplabs.com/lcd/sceptre.asp

I don't know how any LCD monitor can claim to be "zero radiation".
After all, if it's got an flourescent backlight, then it's putting
out a large electric field.

It's true that an LCD has *less* radiation than a CRT, but not zero...
I bought an LCD for myself several years ago, but was quickly
dissappointed when I realized that I could not tolerate it either (it
was not advertised as low radiation though -- it was just a Sony). In
the end, I went back to using CRTs plus EMF protection devices.

> I also would like to get a shield for any new monitor

Note that I also once tried a CRT shield for my CRT monitor, and then
tried it on my LCD monitor. I think it might have helped a *little*,
but certainly not enough to increase my tolerance significantly.

Marc

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Re: computer question

Niels Geurts
I didn't measure a large electric field from my LCD monitor. (Samsung SyncMaster 171B connected to a earthed socket) It even shields some of the electric fields that come from the walls in my appartment. I did detect rather large magnetic fields, though. Keeping a distance of 40 cm should keep me in the safety zone. But I still get tired from working with it. I'm trying the Quantum Software since yesterday.

Niels

>I don't know how any LCD monitor can claim to be "zero radiation".
After all, if it's got an flourescent backlight, then it's putting
out a large electric field.



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Marc Martin
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>I didn't measure a large electric field from my LCD monitor.

Yes, but what are you measuring it with?

It's my understanding that all EMF meters detect fields
within a specific frequency range. If the LCD monitor is
generating fields with frequencies outside the range of
the meter, then the meter reads zero. Even if there is
a large field!

I also own an LCD monitor and an EMF meter which
reads zero when placed next to it. However, I once
could not tolerate this monitor for more than 5 minutes
when it was turned on! Also, if I put an AM radio next
to it and tuned it between stations, you could hear a
*LOT* of interference (heard by a loud buzzing sound)
when the LCD was turned on, and this interference went
away when the LCD was turned off.

So in this case, I think the AM radio is more accurate
(and cheaper) than the EMF meter in measuring what
was bothering me!

Marc

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Re: computer question - fillings

bejenang
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Thanks for all the replies, its been helpful.

I have a question about amalgam fillings. Looking into this elf emf
issue. I noticed maybe the pain in my molars (fillings) and strange
taste isnt normal. Ive viewed some posts here where people said
theyve had them removed. Does the radiation really cause more
mercury vapor? I dont want to jump to conclusions, but it would
explain alot.

To those that have had the fillings removed. Did your dentists
comply right way? I figured if I told mine I wanted new fillings for
cosmetic purposes id be treated as a little more normal. People ive
talked with seem to think im crazy thinking a computer or any of
this stuff could be the cause of my problems (no cause has been
discovered by my doctor). Is it costly? The whole thought of this
isnt pleasant but I dont have alot of money to throw around. Im
guessing no insurance since its widely accepted that silver fillings
are safe. Have to prove some low level of mercury poisoning, or
phyisogical defect. Which is hard because these things arent
dehabilitating. I can definitely tell how much better I feel away
from computers though. I also can tell how better I felt a couple
years ago. Like im getting increasingly fatigued, lethargic. I use
to attribute it to age, but im still young. Kinda scares me to think
where I might be if I dont change these things now.

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Re: computer question - fillings

charles-2
Hello,

dental amalgam fillings are indeed the reason for many illnesses.
A great number of persons with Tinnitus (the constant noise in the ears)
blame as origin those amalgam fillings.
As is the case with electrosensibility.

Under the influence of low frequency electromagnetic fields, those
mercury-ions come free with a six-fold speed.
Under influence of high frequency electromagnetic fields the chemical
composition of the amalgam changes by that, and the mercury comes even
faster free.
And than you have a heavy-metal poisoning.
Even the palladium of gold crowns helps this heavy-metal poisoning.

Everytime you chew, from thos amalgam fillings some 20-40 or 100, and even
up to 700 ug Mercury freed.
According to the drinking water regulations, 1 ug mercury per 1 liter water
is allowed.
If your saliva was drinking water, you were not allowed to swallow it!

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "bejenang" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 17:08
Subject: [eSens] Re: computer question - fillings


> Thanks for all the replies, its been helpful.
>
> I have a question about amalgam fillings. Looking into this elf emf
> issue. I noticed maybe the pain in my molars (fillings) and strange
> taste isnt normal. Ive viewed some posts here where people said
> theyve had them removed. Does the radiation really cause more
> mercury vapor? I dont want to jump to conclusions, but it would
> explain alot.
>
> To those that have had the fillings removed. Did your dentists
> comply right way? I figured if I told mine I wanted new fillings for
> cosmetic purposes id be treated as a little more normal. People ive
> talked with seem to think im crazy thinking a computer or any of
> this stuff could be the cause of my problems (no cause has been
> discovered by my doctor). Is it costly? The whole thought of this
> isnt pleasant but I dont have alot of money to throw around. Im
> guessing no insurance since its widely accepted that silver fillings
> are safe. Have to prove some low level of mercury poisoning, or
> phyisogical defect. Which is hard because these things arent
> dehabilitating. I can definitely tell how much better I feel away
> from computers though. I also can tell how better I felt a couple
> years ago. Like im getting increasingly fatigued, lethargic. I use
> to attribute it to age, but im still young. Kinda scares me to think
> where I might be if I dont change these things now.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: computer question - fillings

Marc Martin
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> Does the radiation really cause more mercury vapor?

Yes, there have been studies which have measured
this, and the mercury vapor increased when exposed
to EMF.

> To those that have had the fillings removed. Did your dentists
> comply right way?

I went to a "holistic" dentist who specialized in
replacing mercury amalgam fillings. He even gave me a
"no Hg" button when they were all out! If you have
any health food stores in your area, you might want
to ask around there and see if there are any holistic
(they sometimes call themselves "mercury-free")
dentists in your area. They'd be happy to replace
them.

> Is it costly?

Holistic dentists seem to charge more for their work
than regular dentists.

> Im guessing no insurance since its widely

Insurance will cover the replacements of your fillings
as if they were regular dental work. So yes, they
are covered, but of course it depends on how good
your insurance is as to how much of the total cost
is covered.

Also, if you cannot afford all the dental work now,
you might want to experiment with EMF protection
devices first. A Slimline Springlife Polarizer
costs US$180, but it *should* fix any sensitivity
to your computer monitor. The only problem you
might have is finding the proper distance away
from you which does not provoke excessive
detoxification. When I first started with
mine, I kept it behind the monitor, about 4
feet away from me. These days, I keep it behind
my keyboard, about 1 foot away from me.

Also, the Bioharmonics website recommends that
you place a polarizer next to your mercury
fillings for a few minutes to make them less
harmful while they are still in your mouth. Since
I my fillings were removed before I got a polarizer,
I cannot comment if this works or not. But
I still think it would be in your best interest
to get all the metal removed from your mouth
as soon as you can afford it.

Marc

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Marc Martin
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Marc Martin
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> For more reading on this subject...

And this too:

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yfORT91a.html

Marc

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Re: computer question

Drasko Cvijovic
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Just to mention that Niels's findings match mine, as I said in my previous
message - most computers don't emitt fields (readable by affordable meters)
that exceed urban average, but still they disturb us.

It could have been:

a) That another field characteristic matters as well (static magnetic field,
pulsations, wave form, or whatever).

b) That fields are just one of the aspects of the problem, i.e. what matters
is something not covered by current science knowledge (orgone, longitudinal
waves etc.)

c) That something like chemicals or flicker or similar non-electic physical
problem disturbes, not the fields.

d) Probably nothing else.

Drasko


----- Original Message -----
From: "Niels Geurts" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: computer question


> I didn't measure a large electric field from my LCD monitor. (Samsung
SyncMaster 171B connected to a earthed socket) It even shields some of the
electric fields that come from the walls in my appartment. I did detect
rather large magnetic fields, though. Keeping a distance of 40 cm should
keep me in the safety zone. But I still get tired from working with it. I'm
trying the Quantum Software since yesterday.

>
> Niels
>
> >I don't know how any LCD monitor can claim to be "zero radiation".
> After all, if it's got an flourescent backlight, then it's putting
> out a large electric field.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: computer question

charles-2
Hello Drasko,

I measured a lot on monitors, but could not measure much.

In a few weeks I get a meter, especially for measurements on monitors,
according to the TCO/MPR norms, where one must measure with a *Pizza* formed
sonde in two frequency ranges.
Normal meters do not have those ranges.

As I wrote before, the flickering has something to do also.
The brain activity is disorderly.
The flickering tries to make this activity in an ordering one, and that is
something that our brains do not like.
That is one of the reasons, that changing from a CRT to a TFT monitor does
not improve the situation.

I found with a *World radio receiver*, that there are a lot of seperate
frequencies emitting from the monitor.
With this new meter I get a digital oscilloscope, with which I hope to find
out more.

It is not a bad idea for having a negative ionen generator in the
neighbourhood of your monitor, because the monitor may emit positive air
ions.

Also, some monitor screens are electrostatically charged.
Cleaning it with a damp cloth may help.

Last week I found a (expensive) TV that had 22000 V on its surface.
They wondered why DVD players and othe hi-fi equipment went awol.

My Sony monitor has 0 V.

I checked some flat screens in a computer store.
The cheapest one measured 0 V, going up to the expensive ones, that measured
3600 V.

It is also not bad, when your monitor is electrostatically charged, in
cleaning also the glasses of your spectacles regugarly.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 23:39
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: computer question


> Just to mention that Niels's findings match mine, as I said in my previous
> message - most computers don't emitt fields (readable by affordable
meters)
> that exceed urban average, but still they disturb us.
>
> It could have been:
>
> a) That another field characteristic matters as well (static magnetic
field,
> pulsations, wave form, or whatever).
>
> b) That fields are just one of the aspects of the problem, i.e. what
matters
> is something not covered by current science knowledge (orgone,
longitudinal
> waves etc.)
>
> c) That something like chemicals or flicker or similar non-electic
physical

> problem disturbes, not the fields.
>
> d) Probably nothing else.
>
> Drasko
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels Geurts" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: computer question
>
>
> > I didn't measure a large electric field from my LCD monitor. (Samsung
> SyncMaster 171B connected to a earthed socket) It even shields some of the
> electric fields that come from the walls in my appartment. I did detect
> rather large magnetic fields, though. Keeping a distance of 40 cm should
> keep me in the safety zone. But I still get tired from working with it.
I'm
> trying the Quantum Software since yesterday.
> >
> > Niels
> >
> > >I don't know how any LCD monitor can claim to be "zero radiation".
> > After all, if it's got an flourescent backlight, then it's putting
> > out a large electric field.
> >
> >