back pain

Hello all,
Thank you so much for your inputs.

I have pain all over, in the muscles and joints, but especially in the
hip going up to the lower back. I think this explains it!

I believe I have found what I was looking for at:
http://www.electricalpollution.com/

Here is the part of the article that I found applied to me.

"Without the proper filters these high frequencies are transmitted
throughout the house's electrical system with the 60 Hz signal. The high
frequencies on home wiring can cause Radiofrequency Sickness. The
symptoms of which can include: sleeplessness or disturbed sleep, fever,
rash, nausea, inability to concentrate, thinking in a fog, short-term
memory problems, sore joints (particularly hip joints), irritable bowel
syndrome, miscarriage, and birth defects. The symptoms that come and go,
particularly the fever, clear up outside of the exposure area as long as
there is not continued exposure to high frequencies from another source."

Comments anyone?


Thank you so much

judy

Just be careful, as there are many possible causes for the symptoms you describe.

It will be easy for you to test if the high frequency noise in your wiring is causing your problem. Just use the filters.

Emil
Less EMF Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Taylor
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:41 PM
Subject: [eSens] back pain


Hello all,
Thank you so much for your inputs.

I have pain all over, in the muscles and joints, but especially in the
hip going up to the lower back. I think this explains it!

I believe I have found what I was looking for at:
http://www.electricalpollution.com/

Here is the part of the article that I found applied to me.

"Without the proper filters these high frequencies are transmitted
throughout the house's electrical system with the 60 Hz signal. The high
frequencies on home wiring can cause Radiofrequency Sickness. The
symptoms of which can include: sleeplessness or disturbed sleep, fever,
rash, nausea, inability to concentrate, thinking in a fog, short-term
memory problems, sore joints (particularly hip joints), irritable bowel
syndrome, miscarriage, and birth defects. The symptoms that come and go,
particularly the fever, clear up outside of the exposure area as long as
there is not continued exposure to high frequencies from another source."

Comments anyone?


Thank you so much

judy







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> Comments anyone?

These filters do have their advocates, and I'd certainly
be interested in hearing what happens if you try them.

I have very limited experience with these filters,
and it was an unpleasant, piercing headache that caused
me to stop using them rather quickly.

Marc

Hello Judy,

electrosmog is guilty for a lot, but not for everything.

Pain in the back and in the legs may come from magnetic DC fields.
These can be found in all metal parts of your bed.

I have just removed the iron footings of our bed, and the difference is
enormously.

Furthermore pain in teh back may come froma shortage of Silicea.
You can takes that as pills, which they sell in drugstores.
Silicea can be made from stones, but it is better to look for those made
from fish shells.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Taylor" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 18:41
Subject: [eSens] back pain

I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both at
home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in that
area of the spectrum. I usually use two power strips and plug in 3 or 4
in each power strip when there is a reading of over 150 or 200 and they
usually bring it down to under 50. I am happy to report that in some
hotels and homes that I have been able to get the reading down to
around 4 (practically nothing). I have been in some buildings where the
readings where so high (over 1500) that the meter blanked out from the
over load. I used about 8 Stetzer filters and brought it down to around
200. Better than nothing.
I think that only using 1 or 2 won't be much help in a bad situation
because the filter will be overload and whine.
With 3 or 4 on one strip, they rarely overload.
my 2 cents,
Andrew

On Aug 18, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

> I have been using the Stetzer Filters for about 3 months now both at
> home and when I travel. To me, they do make a big difference in that
> area of the spectrum.

Thanks for that info, Andrew!

You've reported what your meter reads, but I'm also curious to know
if you feel any better or worse from using these filters.

Marc

Interstingly, I always get pain in the lower back and legs when I travel
for long distances by coach. Eg eight hours. I put this down to the
build up of static electricity in the body due to rubber tyres....but
the pain always goes a few minutes after getting out and walking around.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 3:08 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] back pain


Hello Judy,

electrosmog is guilty for a lot, but not for everything.

Pain in the back and in the legs may come from magnetic DC fields. These
can be found in all metal parts of your bed.

I have just removed the iron footings of our bed, and the difference is
enormously.

Furthermore pain in teh back may come froma shortage of Silicea. You can
takes that as pills, which they sell in drugstores. Silicea can be made
from stones, but it is better to look for those made from fish shells.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Taylor" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 18:41
Subject: [eSens] back pain


> Hello all,
> Thank you so much for your inputs.
>
> I have pain all over, in the muscles and joints, but especially in the

> symptoms of which can include: sleeplessness or disturbed sleep,
> fever, rash, nausea, inability to concentrate, thinking in a fog,
> short-term memory problems, sore joints (particularly hip joints),
> irritable bowel syndrome, miscarriage, and birth defects. The symptoms





 
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I just learned while traveling on vacation how to practically eliminate
body voltage from spring beds. I have a natural foam mattress at home
and turn off the power at night so it is usually not an issue. But
when on the road, some beds have 13 volts running through them. I
understand that even 0.5 can cause problems over time.
The easy fix is to get a grounding cord (electrical wire with an
alligator clip on one end and a plug that goes only into the ground
wall socket, available at LESSEMF.COM),
and then cut a one inch horizontal slice in the mattress near the seam
to reach the wire inside the mattress. Clip on the grounding cord to a
wire spring and check your body voltage again while laying on the bed.
In some beds it went down to almost 0 while in others it went from 7
volts down to 0.9.
Not bad for a cheap fix when you can't turn the power off.

This doesn't mean that spring mattresses are OK to sleep on. The coils
will still have a positive and negative field associated with them
since the ends are not loop back together to short out the charges. I
learned from a Slim Spurling workshop how to create coils that have a
positive and positive charge for beneficial results. I don't think
there are any beds that have this coil configuration. Any coil that has
is looped and connected will have a + and - field unless you wrap it
back on itself in a clockwise direction and attach both ends together
to short it out. That way there is a positive field on both planes.
Otherwise, there will be a detrimental field on one end.
After sleeping in a coil-less mattress I can now feel the difference
while sleeping on coils. I get strange sensations in my kidneys and
feet while laying on coils.

Thanks for the info about Silicea Charles. Didn't know that.
Andrew

On Aug 18, 2005, at 1:08 PM, charles wrote:

Hello Andrew,

I do have my doubts about your explanation.

The metal springs in matresses do not have any voltage in them.
Sure, they are magnetic, like most metal parts on beds.
But these magnetic fields are static (DC) and can only be measured with a
magnetometer, which I do as a standard.

I have found hinges on wooden beds, which were magnetic (4500 nT), as well
as metal footings.

So you may think that you are safe, and then other electrosmog dangers come
lurking for you!

All metal on beds should be avoided.
That's right.


Our bodies are very complicated in working.
Most scientists do not understand why we do have a lowfrequent AC tension in
our body.
These lowfrequent tensions can com from normal electricity (electrical and
magnetic AC fields) , but also from high frequency electromagnetic fields.
And, from static magnetic and static electrical fields.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus






----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 15:29
Subject: [eSens] body voltage, coils

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) wrote:
> Interstingly, I always get pain in the lower back and legs when I travel
> for long distances by coach. Eg eight hours. I put this down to the
> build up of static electricity in the body due to rubber tyres....but
> the pain always goes a few minutes after getting out and walking around.

Do you wear regular shoes, or ones with grounding soles? I've found
that grounding soles prevent the shocks I used to get after leaving
my car.

Marc

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You can also ground your self to your vehicle very conveniently with the Bio-Grounder http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html#213

And you can ground your car to the Earth with the Vehicle Ground Strap
http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html#214

Emil
Less EMF Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:57 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] back pain


Interstingly, I always get pain in the lower back and legs when I travel
for long distances by coach. Eg eight hours. I put this down to the
build up of static electricity in the body due to rubber tyres....but
the pain always goes a few minutes after getting out and walking around.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2005 3:08 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] back pain


Hello Judy,

electrosmog is guilty for a lot, but not for everything.

Pain in the back and in the legs may come from magnetic DC fields. These
can be found in all metal parts of your bed.

I have just removed the iron footings of our bed, and the difference is
enormously.

Furthermore pain in teh back may come froma shortage of Silicea. You can
takes that as pills, which they sell in drugstores. Silicea can be made
from stones, but it is better to look for those made from fish shells.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Taylor" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 18:41
Subject: [eSens] back pain


> Hello all,
> Thank you so much for your inputs.
>
> I have pain all over, in the muscles and joints, but especially in the

> symptoms of which can include: sleeplessness or disturbed sleep,
> fever, rash, nausea, inability to concentrate, thinking in a fog,
> short-term memory problems, sore joints (particularly hip joints),
> irritable bowel syndrome, miscarriage, and birth defects. The symptoms





   
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Hello Maureen,

with our house searches we use the Standard of building biological measuring
techniques, as SBM2003.

In it , it prescribes the body voltage.
The person has to lie on a bed, the meter has to be grounded and the person
holds a hand-held electrode.

Ideally it says 30 mV (milliVolt)
With most persons I measure 300-800 mV.
Metal parts on the bed may result in ca. 2000 - 4000 mV.
People with an electrical blanket 4000 mV and higher.
And a waterbed may give 55000 mV.

So, that may be a reason for your portable Tv set.
On the other hand, if your body shields antenne, the TV beams may be
obstructed.
So, you must do your test in going near your TV from different angles, and
see if it makes a difference.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles" <charles@milieuziektes.be>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] body voltage, coils
>
>
> > Hello Andrew,
> >
> > I do have my doubts about your explanation.
> >
> > The metal springs in matresses do not have any voltage in them.
> > Sure, they are magnetic, like most metal parts on beds.
> > But these magnetic fields are static (DC) and can only be measured with
a
> > magnetometer, which I do as a standard.
> >
> > I have found hinges on wooden beds, which were magnetic (4500 nT), as
well
> > as metal footings.
> >
> > So you may think that you are safe, and then other electrosmog dangers
> come
> > lurking for you!
> >
> > All metal on beds should be avoided.
> > That's right.
> >
> >
> > Our bodies are very complicated in working.
> > Most scientists do not understand why we do have a lowfrequent AC
tension
> in
> > our body.
> > These lowfrequent tensions can com from normal electricity (electrical
and
> > magnetic AC fields) , but also from high frequency electromagnetic
fields.
> > And, from static magnetic and static electrical fields.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew McAfee" <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 15:29
> > Subject: [eSens] body voltage, coils
> >
> >
> > > I just learned while traveling on vacation how to practically
eliminate
> > > body voltage from spring beds. I have a natural foam mattress at home
> > > and turn off the power at night so it is usually not an issue. But
> > > when on the road, some beds have 13 volts running through them. I
> > > understand that even 0.5 can cause problems over time.
> > > The easy fix is to get a grounding cord (electrical wire with an
> > > alligator clip on one end and a plug that goes only into the ground
> > > wall socket, available at LESSEMF.COM),
> > > and then cut a one inch horizontal slice in the mattress near the seam
> > > to reach the wire inside the mattress. Clip on the grounding cord to a
> > > wire spring and check your body voltage again while laying on the bed.
> > > In some beds it went down to almost 0 while in others it went from 7
> > > volts down to 0.9.
> > > Not bad for a cheap fix when you can't turn the power off.
> > >
> > > This doesn't mean that spring mattresses are OK to sleep on. The coils
> > > will still have a positive and negative field associated with them
> > > since the ends are not loop back together to short out the charges. I
> > > learned from a Slim Spurling workshop how to create coils that have a
> > > positive and positive charge for beneficial results. I don't think
> > > there are any beds that have this coil configuration. Any coil that
has
> > > is looped and connected will have a + and - field unless you wrap it
> > > back on itself in a clockwise direction and attach both ends together
> > > to short it out. That way there is a positive field on both planes.
> > > Otherwise, there will be a detrimental field on one end.
> > > After sleeping in a coil-less mattress I can now feel the difference
> > > while sleeping on coils. I get strange sensations in my kidneys and
> > > feet while laying on coils.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info about Silicea Charles. Didn't know that.
> > > Andrew
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I appreciate your expertise in this area.
I am a novice and experimenting.

I think the reason that there is voltage in the springs is because of
the electricity from walls and floor running into the bed.

The body voltage meter reports the difference that grounding the
springs can make in body voltage.

The coil polarity is a separate issue to me. Whether there is an
outside charge applied to the coils or not, the way that the coil is
wrapped is a separate subject, different from electricity being
attracting into the mattress.

I don't think that coil field polarity can be measured with typical
equipment. I think it would take extremely sensitive equipment to
measure a field of energy off of a circular coil.
If you have such equipment, I would like to work with you to take some
measurements. Is a magnetometer that sensitive?

Andrew

On Aug 19, 2005, at 9:53 AM, charles wrote:

Hello Andrew,

a magnetometer only measures static magnetic fields, NOT alternating
magnetic fields.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 16:49
Subject: Re: [eSens] body voltage, coils

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Hello Maureen,

what you describe is quite normal.

HF radiation can reflect from all sorts of surfaces.
The easiest from large metal surfaces.

Those beams and reflected beams can come together; we have then stark
concentrations, which we call hotspots.
I do have a special meter for that.
Those *hotspots* do mostly have the dimension of a football, and me be in
many different spots.

The very first time I had this meter and was palying around with it, I so
found a hotspot on the pillow of my wife, and on the spot where she always
had a cold hip.
With proper shielding, those hotspots can be avoided.

I once measured a house.
Inside the house, as well as the neighbours I did not found a cordless DECT
phone.
However, in the sleeping room, I detected several hotspots on the bed.
I continued my search, and found a stronger hotspot in front of a radiator
of the central heating.
This stronger point was in the clamp, which was used to hold and fix the
radiator.
This clamp worked as a secundary antenna and transmitted the DECT signals
which came from a house on the other side of an adjacent alley.

So, it is understandable, that walking on a street, one comes into a hotspot
and feels it, and a single step outside, and the complaints are gone.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "charles" <charles@milieuziektes.be>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] body voltage, coils
>
>
> > Hello Maureen,
> >
> > with our house searches we use the Standard of building biological
> measuring
> > techniques, as SBM2003.
> >
> > In it , it prescribes the body voltage.
> > The person has to lie on a bed, the meter has to be grounded and the
> person
> > holds a hand-held electrode.
> >
> > Ideally it says 30 mV (milliVolt)
> > With most persons I measure 300-800 mV.
> > Metal parts on the bed may result in ca. 2000 - 4000 mV.
> > People with an electrical blanket 4000 mV and higher.
> > And a waterbed may give 55000 mV.
> >
> > So, that may be a reason for your portable Tv set.
> > On the other hand, if your body shields antenne, the TV beams may be
> > obstructed.
> > So, you must do your test in going near your TV from different angles,
and
> > see if it makes a difference.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >

> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "charles" <charles@milieuziektes.be>
> > > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] body voltage, coils
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > I do have my doubts about your explanation.
> > > >
> > > > The metal springs in matresses do not have any voltage in them.
> > > > Sure, they are magnetic, like most metal parts on beds.
> > > > But these magnetic fields are static (DC) and can only be measured
> with
> > a
> > > > magnetometer, which I do as a standard.
> > > >
> > > > I have found hinges on wooden beds, which were magnetic (4500 nT),
as
> > well
> > > > as metal footings.
> > > >
> > > > So you may think that you are safe, and then other electrosmog
dangers
> > > come
> > > > lurking for you!
> > > >
> > > > All metal on beds should be avoided.
> > > > That's right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Our bodies are very complicated in working.
> > > > Most scientists do not understand why we do have a lowfrequent AC
> > tension
> > > in
> > > > our body.
> > > > These lowfrequent tensions can com from normal electricity
(electrical
> > and
> > > > magnetic AC fields) , but also from high frequency electromagnetic
> > fields.
> > > > And, from static magnetic and static electrical fields.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton Antivirus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Andrew McAfee" <amcafeerr@nc.rr.com>
> > > > To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 15:29
> > > > Subject: [eSens] body voltage, coils
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I just learned while traveling on vacation how to practically
> > eliminate
> > > > > body voltage from spring beds. I have a natural foam mattress at
> home
> > > > > and turn off the power at night so it is usually not an issue.
But
> > > > > when on the road, some beds have 13 volts running through them. I
> > > > > understand that even 0.5 can cause problems over time.
> > > > > The easy fix is to get a grounding cord (electrical wire with an
> > > > > alligator clip on one end and a plug that goes only into the
ground
> > > > > wall socket, available at LESSEMF.COM),
> > > > > and then cut a one inch horizontal slice in the mattress near the
> seam
> > > > > to reach the wire inside the mattress. Clip on the grounding cord
to
> a
> > > > > wire spring and check your body voltage again while laying on the
> bed.
> > > > > In some beds it went down to almost 0 while in others it went from
7
> > > > > volts down to 0.9.
> > > > > Not bad for a cheap fix when you can't turn the power off.
> > > > >
> > > > > This doesn't mean that spring mattresses are OK to sleep on. The
> coils
> > > > > will still have a positive and negative field associated with them
> > > > > since the ends are not loop back together to short out the
charges.
> I
> > > > > learned from a Slim Spurling workshop how to create coils that
have
> a
> > > > > positive and positive charge for beneficial results. I don't
think
> > > > > there are any beds that have this coil configuration. Any coil
that
> > has
> > > > > is looped and connected will have a + and - field unless you wrap
it
> > > > > back on itself in a clockwise direction and attach both ends
> together
> > > > > to short it out. That way there is a positive field on both
planes.
> > > > > Otherwise, there will be a detrimental field on one end.
> > > > > After sleeping in a coil-less mattress I can now feel the
difference
> > > > > while sleeping on coils. I get strange sensations in my kidneys
and
> > > > > feet while laying on coils.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the info about Silicea Charles. Didn't know that.
> > > > > Andrew
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Hello Maureen,

that was not static electricity, but the unloading of your AC body tension.
There are some small things on the market, which you may place on your
keychain, which unloads that in a *safer* way.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "m.a.norman" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 17:57
Subject: Re: [eSens] body voltage, coils

> that was not static electricity, but the unloading of your AC body
> tension. There are some small things on the market, which you may
> place on your keychain, which unloads that in a *safer* way.

What specific items are you referring to?

Marc