about Kundalini

Nils wrote:
Why not many people don't have such experience.
     
from the "cosmic point of view," not many are ready for it, Nils.


Nils wrote:
To tell you the truth, I am not sure but I don't think this is kundalini for
me. I was never a heavy meditator. just once in a while.

You only remember what you've done "this time around," though, right
Nils? You may have done a lot of spiritual practices in your previous lives,
however.


Nils wrote:
As soon as I
attempt to meditate electrical impulses start going from the top of my head
towards my right brain.I start getting seizure type ,movements on my face
and have pain.
     
If this happens specifically when you begin to meditate, and not at
other times or little at other times, then it seems to be related to meditation.  
If it is Kundalini related, these experiences are part of your meditation, as
your awakened Kundalini energy "housecleans."


Nils wrote:
(I will also be grateful if some one an explain me what that
electrical impulse going from top to the right side of brain is? What do you
think that indicates?)

Symptoms like this can also be caused by electrical pollution. You could
try using the Graham Stetzer flters. I had some very strange symptoms on one
side of my head and one side of my body that wre caused by the RF.


I feel there is a problem
in my brain. Right and left hemispheres don't seem to have a balance. It
could be that they have lost their connection to a great extent. I also have
severe muscle problems on left side of my body.

Some of these symptoms sound like the beginning of MS, as did mine.  
However, I do not have these symptoms at all any more. Nor do many MS people
who have installed the filters. I am NOT saying that it's MS, but "MSlike"
symptoms are a common experience of ES people exposed to RF.
 


I am living like that for more than  years time.   If it
was Kundalini,wouldn't it find its way out in some way or another.

If it is Kundalini, meditating is a main method of working it out.



Also
someone else told me that it could be Kundalini a year ago and he told me
not to try to meditate. Is that correct?

Many people who had "Kundalini problems" used to turn to Swami
Muktananda and receive immediate help. I suggest you read his book, Kundalini,
The Secret of Life. Or The Sacred Power, by Swami Kripananda. She was
Muktananda's disciple and told by him to devote herself to special study of
Kundalini, so she could write about it and help others. Muktananda has passed away
now, but Kripananda is alive and you could contact her. (I'd suggest reading
one of the books first.)

from the beginning of S. Muktananda's book:
"Within every human being lies a divine energy called Kundalini. This
energy has two aspects; one manifests this worldly existence and the other
leads us to he highest truth. ....when the inner Kundalini energy is awakenedd
it sets off different yogic processes within us andd leads us to the state of
the Self. That is why there is no knowledge more important than the
knowledge of Kudalini.

Nils, we are getting "off topic" for the list here, probably. Feel
free to contact me directly if you wish to discuss this more.
Regards,    
Shivani


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"You may have done a lot of spiritual practices in your previous
lives, however."

erm..???

Is this the forum for these kind of discussions? - or do we want to
start involving religious beliefs into what I have always held to be a
much more scientific forum, hence my interest in it..

Cheers
Pete


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:34:04 EST, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is this the forum for these kind of discussions? - or do we want to
> start involving religious beliefs into what I have always held to be a
> much more scientific forum, hence my interest in it..

Well, the intention was for it to be a self-help, improve-your
ES-symptoms type forum. So that could include scientific and
non-scientific approaches.

Marc

I agree, Marc. I also agree with observation posted here before (by
Glenn I think) that the results of open inquiry into ES by members of
this group really does seem to bridge the gap between science
and "alternative" forms of understanding. Like Peter, I appreciate
the scientific approach (open, critical, evidence-based) that many
of us take to addressing this health issue. Maybe my definition of
scientific is a little broad, but I do feel that empirical evidence
can be sufficient upon which to draw tentative conclusions and
develop treatment strategies. We're gathering a body of anecdotal
evidence on this list that seems to support the use of certain
healing strategies that are not, as yet, supported by the scientific
establishment. I don't consider these approaches "religious" (which
some folks might equate with "bogus") nor the discussion of them off-
topic. It can be a fine line sometimes.

Cara


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> > Is this the forum for these kind of discussions? - or do we want
to
> > start involving religious beliefs into what I have always held to
be a
> > much more scientific forum, hence my interest in it..
>
> Well, the intention was for it to be a self-help, improve-your
> ES-symptoms type forum. So that could include scientific and
> non-scientific approaches.
>
> Marc

Agreed. I find some of the technical/engineering stuff written
unintelligible so delete it - but the health/energy thoughts helpful,
generally speaking.

Sarah

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From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, 1 April 2005 2:52 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] about Kundalini



> Is this the forum for these kind of discussions? - or do we want to
> start involving religious beliefs into what I have always held to be a

> much more scientific forum, hence my interest in it..

Well, the intention was for it to be a self-help, improve-your
ES-symptoms type forum. So that could include scientific and
non-scientific approaches.

Marc



 
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Pete wrote:
> Is this the forum for these kind of discussions?
>
Not for discussing this kind of thing, that's why I said "we are getting
'off topic' for the list here, probably.   Feel free to contact me directly
if you wish to discuss this more. "
However, there is a line between discussing and introducing. As
some symptoms of Kundalini acitivity and ES are similar, Nils may not be the only
one interested, so it's worth letting anyone who might be interested know a
bit about this so he/she can follow up if interested.

Kundalini does not belong to any religion, by the way. Different
cultures have different names for it, for the reason that it is universal. If you
are a human being, you have Kundalini. You may not be interested in it, but
others may.

Regards,
Shivani


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Hi Mark / folks who responded..

I guess what I meant was that while there has been some good advice on
these forums, there seems to be an element of religious/spiritual
overtone to some of what is being discussed here, which is only helpful
to those who consider that particular faith type to be for them.

While I have taken a large number of helpful points from Sarjuna
regarding what she did to make her symptons better, including the
Stetzer filters, when she starts to give advice to others about them
being liable for past life experiences, without any evidence to the
point (how can there be..) the advice becomes extremely subjective, to
the point of being inappropriate, as it relates ES/energy knowledge to a
particular 'faith' system.

If I started to offer advice such as, "Well Nils, you probably dont
realise that when you worshipped Baal 15 generations ago you may have
made a blood covenant to the goddess Athena and probably have an energy
block that needs serious upside -down meditation to overcome" I am not
sure it would be well received, but I guess I am probably just overly
concerned that we are all reminded ES is not a religious, spiritual or
faith based problem, it obviously has no such boundaries, but is an
environmental issue that CAN be dealt with if enough rational debate and
honest science is brought to bear..

The root of the problem is for me that a lot of people reject chinese
medicine, reflexology, herbalists, and even chiropractics as being
weird, unscientific, and irrelevent, when they obviously and
demonstrably are not.

I believe the reason for most peoples rejectionof these very successful
practices is due to the many strange 'faith' messages that so often come
with the turf. Its a spoiler, and I think we would all benefit from
keeping the more 'out there' stuff away from ES discussions to avoid
being 'avoided' by those who find it difficult to understand and
consequently reject the idea of an ES sufferer, and more importantly
reject funding for appropriate mainstream research.

You cant attach a religion or faith to an illness without making
unbelievers of all the other faiths.

I hope that made sense, and please dont be offended, anyone - I thought
this was worth saying as its how I feel, and I am genuinly concerned
that ES is taken seriously, for all of us who suffer.

All the best
Pete

Marc Martin wrote:

> Is this the forum for these kind of discussions? - or do we want to
> start involving religious beliefs into what I have always held to be a
> much more scientific forum, hence my interest in it..
>


Well, the intention was for it to be a self-help, improve-your
ES-symptoms type forum. So that could include scientific and
non-scientific approaches.

Marc

Hi,

My feeling is that science, but also some of us here might be ignoring one internal cause of toxicity: toxic thoughts and emotions. You seem to draw your line at meditation, but some might benefit greatly from this as the main cause of their toxicity might be just that. if LIVING IN THE mOMENT and freedom of judgement HELPS ME AND ALSO HAPPENED TO BE THE MESSAGE OF JESUS, BUDDIST MONKS, YOGIS, TOLTECS and many other liberators, considered religious or lifestyles or what not, so be it.

I am not posting here to look good to others. Have tried the regular doctors and they sent me away in less than two minutes. Have been at two visits to a shrink to please others, but he declared my condition as "not of psychological causes" and fired me (yeah baby, more money for tachyon). He thought KUNDALINI RISING WOULD BE UNLIKELY, BECAUSE i had not practised enough yoga, tai-chi, meditation, right living according to him. Anyway, before I keep making non-points, the fact is some us us are kundalites, wether we want it or not. And why me is over for me, I just press on out of this condition the best and fastest I can. And yes for me this means the less ego the better.

Would you be disappointed if you felt better after emotional release?? If forgiveness of yourself and others turned out to be key??

I like being able to post this and this helps me, even though i cannot know why. Someone else at the board might be able to offer a scientific explanation or also be helped by the same..

Love and Light

Ellen

PS the supplements etc discussed on this board liken it to boards on ascencion. We are all purging here!! (Purgatorily yours :0)


pete <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mark / folks who responded..

I guess what I meant was that while there has been some good advice on
these forums, there seems to be an element of religious/spiritual
overtone to some of what is being discussed here, which is only helpful
to those who consider that particular faith type to be for them.

While I have taken a large number of helpful points from Sarjuna
regarding what she did to make her symptons better, including the
Stetzer filters, when she starts to give advice to others about them
being liable for past life experiences, without any evidence to the
point (how can there be..) the advice becomes extremely subjective, to
the point of being inappropriate, as it relates ES/energy knowledge to a
particular 'faith' system.

If I started to offer advice such as, "Well Nils, you probably dont
realise that when you worshipped Baal 15 generations ago you may have
made a blood covenant to the goddess Athena and probably have an energy
block that needs serious upside -down meditation to overcome" I am not
sure it would be well received, but I guess I am probably just overly
concerned that we are all reminded ES is not a religious, spiritual or
faith based problem, it obviously has no such boundaries, but is an
environmental issue that CAN be dealt with if enough rational debate and
honest science is brought to bear..

The root of the problem is for me that a lot of people reject chinese
medicine, reflexology, herbalists, and even chiropractics as being
weird, unscientific, and irrelevent, when they obviously and
demonstrably are not.

I believe the reason for most peoples rejectionof these very successful
practices is due to the many strange 'faith' messages that so often come
with the turf. Its a spoiler, and I think we would all benefit from
keeping the more 'out there' stuff away from ES discussions to avoid
being 'avoided' by those who find it difficult to understand and
consequently reject the idea of an ES sufferer, and more importantly
reject funding for appropriate mainstream research.

You cant attach a religion or faith to an illness without making
unbelievers of all the other faiths.

I hope that made sense, and please dont be offended, anyone - I thought
this was worth saying as its how I feel, and I am genuinly concerned
that ES is taken seriously, for all of us who suffer.

All the best
Pete

Marc Martin wrote:

> Is this the forum for these kind of discussions? - or do we want to
> start involving religious beliefs into what I have always held to be a
> much more scientific forum, hence my interest in it..
>


Well, the intention was for it to be a self-help, improve-your
ES-symptoms type forum. So that could include scientific and
non-scientific approaches.

Marc


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On Apr 6, 2005, at 7:00, pete wrote:

>
> Hi Mark / folks who responded..
>
> I guess what I meant was that while there has been some good advice on
> these forums, there seems to be an element of religious/spiritual
> overtone to some of what is being discussed here, which is only helpful
> to those who consider that particular faith type to be for them.

Hello all,

I don't post here because of difficulties writing, but I have some
observations that might be pertinent. I majored in the study of
religions at university and have a, shall we say, complex religious
autobiography, including a Roman Catholic childhood, a year in a
Methodist seminary as a candidate for the Unitarian-Universalist
ministry, nearly two decades of Buddhist sitting and study, and
conversion to Judaism -- my zen master just loves the story. ;-) I also
lived in a college town with a very well-educated, intellectual and
substantial 'new age' component for 17 years. In short, I have a clue.

I also have symptoms that result from a reduced ability to break down
various synthetic chemicals. It began in early childhood and became
slowly but steadily worse until I moved country and exposed myself to a
new set of chemicals and figured some things out. All of my
improvement, which is substantial, has come from learning how and what
to avoid. The 15 years of trying to pray, meditate, affirm and
visualize my way out of it was, in the end, just distraction and
comfort.

It turns out that a substantial component of my 'negative self-talk' is
due to seizure-like activity in my brain. I avoid GLA, car exhaust, and
fragrance chemicals and it simply disappears. I wish that I had known
this years ago.

Emma

Hello Emma,

Thanks for writing. I know it's difficult for ES folks to spend time at a computer so I
appreciate it whenever someone takes the time to post their experiences here. If
you do get a chance to write more, I'd be interested to hear more details about
what you've learned to avoid, and how. I also find the reference to negative self-
talk intriguing, since this sounds similar to something my husband struggles with. I
wish you could say more about it, describe the phenomenon for you, how you
learned what you now know about its cause(s), and your specific ways of coping.

Oh, and on the subject of "faith-based" techniques such as visualization,
affirmation, meditation, etc., when you say that your experience with this seemed
to amount to "distraction and comfort", do you mean these techniques offered no
relief at all for you, or that they offered short-term or limited relief only? I'm very
curious about others' experience with these methods since my husband and I are
only starting to learn about them now. So far our experience has been promising.

Thanks again,
Cara

--- In [hidden email], sinclair@m... wrote:
All of my improvement, which is substantial, has come from learning how and what
to avoid. The 15 years of trying to pray, meditate, affirm and visualize my way out
of it was, in the end, just distraction and comfort.
>
> It turns out that a substantial component of my 'negative self-talk' is
> due to seizure-like activity in my brain. I avoid GLA, car exhaust, and
> fragrance chemicals and it simply disappears. I wish that I had known
> this years ago.
>
> Emma