Wind Turbines: how far away does an EHSer have to be?

Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time. Two are under construction about 20 miles from me. I'm severely electro-sensitive, & in just the last 3 days, I cannot tolerate my CORDED phone anymore, which baffles me. I'm wondering how far away from wind turbines is far away enough? (so that one doesn't hear or feel the vibrations from  the turbines). From EMFs, depending on the severity of the exposure, I get: migraines, seizures, coordination problems, SLEs, temporary vision loss, temporary paralysis, fevers, nausea etc. All these symptoms have persisted & worsened, even tho I've been nowhere near a Smart Meter in months, and have stopped using my cell, which I hardly ever used before anyway. I still can't sleep more than 1 hr/nite, & woke up last nite w/ a repetitive clicking sound in the back of my neck. It was like a dull explosion repeatedly going off. I'm wondering if I'm within range of wind power, but I don't know what the "safe"
 range is. Ideas, anyone?
Love & blessings,Elysia 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wind turbines should not be any worse, distance wise, than a smart
meter. There will be some 60 Hz fields, some dirty electricity from
power conditioning, and maybe some cell phone calls. I would be
surprised if any of us could tell the difference between off and on,
based on physical response, at distances greater than say one half mile.

Gary

On 6/21/2011 1:53 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

Hi, Gary. Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that in my case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by it, I'm wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that w/ ultra low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel 19,000 miles! I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines, & found that in my state, in 2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a stroke-like episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side & nervous system etc. By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health really started to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although that got astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters. 

--- On Tue, 6/21/11, Gary Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Gary Johnson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wind Turbines: how far away does an EHSer have to be?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 21, 2011, 4:10 PM















 
 



 


   
     
     
      Wind turbines should not be any worse, distance wise, than a smart

meter. There will be some 60 Hz fields, some dirty electricity from

power conditioning, and maybe some cell phone calls. I would be

surprised if any of us could tell the difference between off and on,

based on physical response, at distances greater than say one half mile.



Gary



On 6/21/2011 1:53 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

> Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time. Two are under construction about 20 miles from me. I'm severely electro-sensitive,&  in just the last 3 days, I cannot tolerate my CORDED phone anymore, which baffles me. I'm wondering how far away from wind turbines is far away enough? (so that one doesn't hear or feel the vibrations from  the turbines). From EMFs, depending on the severity of the exposure, I get: migraines, seizures, coordination problems, SLEs, temporary vision loss, temporary paralysis, fevers, nausea etc. All these symptoms have persisted&  worsened, even tho I've been nowhere near a Smart Meter in months, and have stopped using my cell, which I hardly ever used before anyway. I still can't sleep more than 1 hr/nite,&  woke up last nite w/ a repetitive clicking sound in the back of my neck. It was like a dull explosion repeatedly going off. I'm wondering if I'm within range of wind power, but I don't know what the "safe"

>   range is. Ideas, anyone?

> Love&  blessings,Elysia

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>





   
     

   
   


 



 










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 6/21/2011 12:53 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:
> Salut, all. I've wondered about wind turbines for some time.
 > Two are under construction about 20 miles from me.

It seems like 20 miles should be plenty of distance.  I recent
went on a trip where there were many wind turbines near the
freeway (less than a mile).  I did feel "off" when they were
close, but they were *much* closer than 20 miles...

Marc

Elysia:

I understand you are in bad health, which I wish was not the case. You
are looking for a cause, a villain, which may or may not exist. Your
question about 'safe' is one that does not have a short answer. Consider
the question: Is sunlight safe? Any honest answer would include the
following: Most of us need some sunlight for vitamin D production. Most
of us are less depressed when the days are longer. Excessive amounts can
cause cancer. How much is excessive depends on your ethnic background.

Our society demands black and white answers to these gray questions. Is
fluoride in our water safe? Is a certain level of radioactivity safe? A
bureaucrat in the USA picks a 'safe' level for electromagnetic exposure.
A bureaucrat in Russia picks a number a thousand times smaller. We in
the EHS community need to be careful about making the problem worse. We
should allow for detailed answers. If something is unsafe at all levels
(mercury?) we should not demand that someone pick an arbitrary number  
where a little more is bad and a little less is good.

Having said all that, it is my expert opinion that wind turbines are
perfectly 100% safe for everyone outside the fence around the wind farm,
with the possible exception of a handful of people on this listserve,
who might be able to sense operation of a wind turbine at distances up
to a half mile or so.

Gary

On 6/21/2011 2:31 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:

Magda Havas's website talks about wind turbines and says that "scientists in Europe recommend between 1.5 to 2 km."  Can someone can verify this?
http://www.magdahavas.com/2009/10/05/wind-power-and-dirty-electricity/


> On 6/21/2011 2:31 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:
> > Hi, Gary. Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that in my case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by it, I'm wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that w/ ultra low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel 19,000 miles! I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines,&  found that in my state, in 2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a stroke-like episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side&  nervous system etc. By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health really started to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although that got astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters.

That depends on the country in Europe.

In some 1500 meter is advised, in others there is a limit of 300 meters, and in Belgium the authorities allowed a distance of 79 meter from a house. The height of the turbine is 114 meter.
The distance from the turbine to the propane gastank is 58 meter.

The rules are regarding noise (and they can make an enormous amount of noise) and the shadow of the blades.

The only people who benefit from wind turbines are the builders, because they will receive large amounts of subsidaries.
I lived between 6 of them.
Most of the time they did not run.
Most of the time one of each (in turn) needed maintenance.

We did have a list of over 500 accidents with wind turbines.
(Among them persons who got cut in half by falling ice from the propellors)

It is possible that in winter, ice forming on the propellors may take place.
They have an excellent security system for that.
One day I got a visit by a representative of the provider of these wind turbines.
They were looking for people like me to oversee the security.
They would provide me with a pair of binoculars.
I should have a VAT number and a mobile phone.

In winter, I must control the propellors to see that no ice was there.
As soon as the ice was gone, as I could see with the binoculars, I had to phone the provider, so their maintanance people could come to start the turbines.
So far their superior ice watching system!

Qua elektrosmog, wind turbines do not play an important part, because the current flows through shielded cables underground.
A problem may be, with certain wind layers, that there is a noise from the propellors.

Very underestimated are the ultra low (ultrasound) frequencies generated by them.
They can be very serious.

No engineer can calculate which way sound or waves are traveling.

We have lived in a 10 story appartment building along railways.
Each floor reacted different to the sounds; some weaker, some stronger.

On my website, under info, I have placed a number of recorded modulations of elektrosmog.

Among them is *Melsbroek*, which is the military airport of Brussels.
I recorded that nasty sound there.
A week later, I measured this modulation suddenly also at my home, 60 km away from Brussels.
Later on, it was not there anymore.

Outside, I now and then measured radar signals.
They were there, and they were gone. Weeks later they were there shortly.

So, waves/sounds do come and go.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: emraware
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:25 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Wind Turbines: how far away does an EHSer have to be?


  Magda Havas's website talks about wind turbines and says that "scientists in Europe recommend between 1.5 to 2 km."  Can someone can verify this?
  http://www.magdahavas.com/2009/10/05/wind-power-and-dirty-electricity/


  > On 6/21/2011 2:31 PM, Elysia Drew wrote:
  > > Hi, Gary. Thanks for your response. I'm just wondering, considering that in my case I have to be 5 miles or so from a Smart Meter not to be affected by it, I'm wondering if it's really safe to say that 1/2 mile is safe. I read that w/ ultra low-frequency wavelengths they emit, the wave/vibration can travel 19,000 miles! I looked at a map of distribution of wind turbines,&  found that in my state, in 2009, we went from having 47 turbines to 175 turbines; I had a stroke-like episode that year, that permanently damaged my right side&  nervous system etc. By 2010 there were 266 wind turbines in my state, and my health really started to tank that year, esp. in terms of seizure activity, although that got astronomically worse w/ Smart Meters.




  ------------------------------------

  Yahoo! Groups Links





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]