Wi fi detectors..

Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont know
its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going through
my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.

http://www.firebox.com/product/1803/Digital-WiFi-Detector

Hi,
just curious (might get one myself):
How strong is the signals in your house?
Have you compared the strength in your house to the strength
in a place that you know for sure have a strong signal,
or a hotspot? (Like near a wireless router.)
Do you find the signal strength to be correct (not in
exact numbers, but relatively, comparing different places)?
Regards,
John.
--- In [hidden email], "betty_starbuckle"
<betty_starbuckle@...> wrote:
>
> Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont
know
> its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
> door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going
through
> my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.
>
> http://www.firebox.com/product/1803/Digital-WiFi-Detector
>

It gives you the number of differing wifi outputs , identifying each by itsunique name  and intensity ( up to 300 ft) so it is possible to see which neighbour is on at any given time. It gives strengths in terms of a bar system. I walked around the neighbourhood last night , andin some places there were up to 15  high intensity(4 bars) unique signals in front of one house, 9 wifi signals at the bottom of my road, three outside my house , I can pick up 2 in my bedroom- no wonder im having difficulty sleeping. scary really


--- On Wed, 18/2/09, johnottawa80 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wi fi detectors..
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 10:00 PM






Hi,
just curious (might get one myself):
How strong is the signals in your house?
Have you compared the strength in your house to the strength
in a place that you know for sure have a strong signal,
or a hotspot? (Like near a wireless router.)
Do you find the signal strength to be correct (not in
exact numbers, but relatively, comparing different places)?
Regards,
John.
--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "betty_starbuckle"
<betty_starbuckle@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont
know
> its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
> door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going
through
> my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.
>
> http://www.firebox. com/product/ 1803/Digital- WiFi-Detector
>

















     

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- havent compared the intensity to a known wifi spot as yet , the intensityin my room is around 3 bars.
 
ada

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Wi fi detectors..
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 11:41 PM






It gives you the number of differing wifi outputs , identifying each by itsunique name  and intensity ( up to 300 ft) so it is possible to see which neighbour is on at any given time. It gives strengths in terms of a bar system. I walked around the neighbourhood last night , andin some places there were up to 15  high intensity(4 bars) unique signals in front of one house, 9 wifi signals at the bottom of my road, three outside my house , I can pick up 2 in my bedroom- no wonder im having difficulty sleeping. scary really

--- On Wed, 18/2/09, johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Wi fi detectors..
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 10:00 PM

Hi,
just curious (might get one myself):
How strong is the signals in your house?
Have you compared the strength in your house to the strength
in a place that you know for sure have a strong signal,
or a hotspot? (Like near a wireless router.)
Do you find the signal strength to be correct (not in
exact numbers, but relatively, comparing different places)?
Regards,
John.
--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "betty_starbuckle"
<betty_starbuckle@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont
know
> its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
> door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going
through
> my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.
>
> http://www.firebox. com/product/ 1803/Digital- WiFi-Detector
>

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There are some that are (somewhat) directional. With this one you
couldprobably
tell direction because your body blocks some of the signal.


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:37 AM, betty_starbuckle <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont know
> its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
> door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going through
> my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.
>
> http://www.firebox.com/product/1803/Digital-WiFi-Detector
>
>
>


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Hi Ada
 
Does this mean that your problems are with someone nearby you using a wireless broadband router?? I was at my brother's office a while ago and he has some sort of BT broadband wireless router thing - I was standing about 3 feet away from it and it literally felt like a part of my brain was being cooked - quite painfully so - and he sits beside the thing all day every day and appears to suffer no ill effects! Are there any parts of your hosue thatare unaffected by the channels where you could try to avoid? completely ridiculous though that anyone should have to skulk around in their own home just to find a spot where they aren't being harmed!
 
By the way - I have been given a date for my surgery - it is next Friday [27 Feb] so if you would think of me then I'd appreciate it so much - I am dreading it but trying to be positive in that if the offending bit comes out maybe I will feel a little better. Here's hoping I will be able to post again soon.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, betty_starbuckle <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: betty_starbuckle <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 10:37 AM






Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont know
its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going through
my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.

http://www.firebox. com/product/ 1803/Digital- WiFi-Detector

















     

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.. in my diary , ill hold you in my thoughts for next week. As to the wifi its quite alarming really , i went for my morning walk yesterday and took it with me  doing measurements on the way. On a one hour walk , there was not one area where there wasnt at least one wifi detectable. Every one has it !!-
Any way thinking of you, goodluck- and be well.
 
Ada


--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:31 AM






Hi Ada
 
Does this mean that your problems are with someone nearby you using a wireless broadband router?? I was at my brother's office a while ago and he has some sort of BT broadband wireless router thing - I was standing about 3 feet away from it and it literally felt like a part of my brain was being cooked - quite painfully so - and he sits beside the thing all day every day and appears to suffer no ill effects! Are there any parts of your hosue thatare unaffected by the channels where you could try to avoid? completely ridiculous though that anyone should have to skulk around in their own home just to find a spot where they aren't being harmed!
 
By the way - I have been given a date for my surgery - it is next Friday [27 Feb] so if you would think of me then I'd appreciate it so much - I am dreading it but trying to be positive in that if the offending bit comes out maybe I will feel a little better. Here's hoping I will be able to post again soon.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, betty_starbuckle <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: betty_starbuckle <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 10:37 AM

Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont know
its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going through
my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.

http://www.firebox. com/product/ 1803/Digital- WiFi-Detector

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Thanks Ada
That means a lot to me. You are a star.
Re the wifi - doesn't really surprise me that there is such saturation coverage - if only they could devise a way of allowing people the same level ofaccess which wasn't so harmful. Keep hoping!
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Thu, 19/2/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 10:17 PM






... in my diary , ill hold you in my thoughts for next week. As to the wifiits quite alarming really , i went for my morning walk yesterday and took it with me  doing measurements on the way. On a one hour walk , there was not one area where there wasnt at least one wifi detectable. Every one has it !!-
Any way thinking of you, goodluck- and be well.
 
Ada

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:31 AM

Hi Ada
 
Does this mean that your problems are with someone nearby you using a wireless broadband router?? I was at my brother's office a while ago and he has some sort of BT broadband wireless router thing - I was standing about 3 feet away from it and it literally felt like a part of my brain was being cooked - quite painfully so - and he sits beside the thing all day every day and appears to suffer no ill effects! Are there any parts of your hosue thatare unaffected by the channels where you could try to avoid? completely ridiculous though that anyone should have to skulk around in their own home just to find a spot where they aren't being harmed!
 
By the way - I have been given a date for my surgery - it is next Friday [27 Feb] so if you would think of me then I'd appreciate it so much - I am dreading it but trying to be positive in that if the offending bit comes out maybe I will feel a little better. Here's hoping I will be able to post again soon.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, betty_starbuckle <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: betty_starbuckle <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 10:37 AM

Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont know
its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going through
my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.

http://www.firebox. com/product/ 1803/Digital- WiFi-Detector

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PS - How are things with you at the minute? Is your sleep badly disrupted with the wifi beams hitting your bedroom?

--- On Thu, 19/2/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 10:17 PM






... in my diary , ill hold you in my thoughts for next week. As to the wifiits quite alarming really , i went for my morning walk yesterday and took it with me  doing measurements on the way. On a one hour walk , there was not one area where there wasnt at least one wifi detectable. Every one has it !!-
Any way thinking of you, goodluck- and be well.
 
Ada

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:31 AM

Hi Ada
 
Does this mean that your problems are with someone nearby you using a wireless broadband router?? I was at my brother's office a while ago and he has some sort of BT broadband wireless router thing - I was standing about 3 feet away from it and it literally felt like a part of my brain was being cooked - quite painfully so - and he sits beside the thing all day every day and appears to suffer no ill effects! Are there any parts of your hosue thatare unaffected by the channels where you could try to avoid? completely ridiculous though that anyone should have to skulk around in their own home just to find a spot where they aren't being harmed!
 
By the way - I have been given a date for my surgery - it is next Friday [27 Feb] so if you would think of me then I'd appreciate it so much - I am dreading it but trying to be positive in that if the offending bit comes out maybe I will feel a little better. Here's hoping I will be able to post again soon.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 17/2/09, betty_starbuckle <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: betty_starbuckle <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: [eSens] Wi fi detectors..
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 10:37 AM

Thought id let you know which detetector I ended up getting. Dont know
its name but am very very happy with it, and they deliver to the
door.Unfortunately have two channels from god know where going through
my house , so at least that helps to explain a few things.

http://www.firebox. com/product/ 1803/Digital- WiFi-Detector

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Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc

Hi, Marc,
 
Interesting info!  I suspect, tho, that the burning skin is more likely the other reason--toxins exitting via the skin.  One reason I went to a homeopath recently was my kidney function is poor.  He addressed that and I still do have skin burning, but not quite as bad.  When the kidney malfunctions, the skin has to take on double it's work of detoxing.  (Which then makes this a somewhat circular argument, eh?  lol)  But my pointis, detoxed compounds, metals, and other crap are probably on our skin to some degree all the time, due to skin detoxing.  Frequent showers (every several hours) would probably be helpful for us, but who has the time, unless you are in a health clinic.  But I would appreciate feedback on thisif anyone here tries it!  :) 

Diane
--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 1:06 PM






Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc
















     

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I have burning skin daily also Marc. I was informed on another group that green clay is really good for detoxing electrical radiation.
 
I am also low in vit D but have been taking for some time. I don't think weare capable of converting the D to D3 in our livers so taking D3 is best. Having osteoporosis this is important. Loni

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:06 AM






Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc
















     

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> I have burning skin daily also Marc. I was informed on another group that
> green clay is really good for detoxing electrical radiation.

I can confirm that... it's just that green clay is a bit time consuming
(and messy!) to use, so I rarely use it.

> we are capable of converting the D to D3 in our livers so taking D3 is
> best.

I think the problem might be that most Vitamin D3 supplements are
synthetically made, and historically I've always done bad with
synthetic vitamins. Switching me to a whole food Vitamin D3 formula
might solve this problem.

Marc

Oh, let me know which one works for you. Loni

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 12:55 PM






> I have burning skin daily also Marc. I was informed on another group that
> green clay is really good for detoxing electrical radiation.

I can confirm that... it's just that green clay is a bit time consuming
(and messy!) to use, so I rarely use it.

> we are capable of converting the D to D3 in our livers so taking D3 is
> best.

I think the problem might be that most Vitamin D3 supplements are
synthetically made, and historically I've always done bad with
synthetic vitamins. Switching me to a whole food Vitamin D3 formula
might solve this problem.

Marc

















     

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Hi Marc
 
What sort of a Vit D were you taking before? and how much were you taking?
 
Regards
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 6:06 PM






Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc
















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Loni
 
I'm also taking D3 and I think that if you diet isn't rich enough in calcium you would need to be taking a calcium and magnesium supplement with it because these 2 mineral work with each other - I added in a calcium and magnesium supplement about 5 ydays ago - probably not the best quality one I could be using but it was all I had to hand and I have noticed a marked improvement. A UK Doctor Andrew Goldsworthy has written on electrosensitivity andif you google his name and EMF you will come across his paper where he talks about ES mimicing a condition called hypercalcaemia, and that treatment with calcium could help with ES - it's a good read and worth a look.
 
Hope you are doing ok
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 7:40 PM






I have burning skin daily also Marc. I was informed on another group that green clay is really good for detoxing electrical radiation.
 
I am also low in vit D but have been taking for some time. I don't think weare capable of converting the D to D3 in our livers so taking D3 is best. Having osteoporosis this is important. Loni

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:06 AM

Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> What sort of a Vit D were you taking before? and how much were you
> taking?

I was taking a Vitamin D tablet from Standard Process, a company
which makes professional-grade supplements for doctors. The
product was called "Cataplex D", and I was (attempting) to
take 3 tablets per day, or 2400 IU. But I could not tolerate
this amount.

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=58

I've previously tried 3 other brands of Vitamin D, but could not
tolerate these either (including just plain old cod liver oil).

So now my doctor has switched me to Innate Response Formulas
Vitamin D-3, which is another doctor's brand, but this Vitamin D-3
is a whole-foods vitamin, compared to 99.9% of the other brands
which are synthetic:

https://www.innateresponse.com/What_s_the_Difference_.html

And now my dose is down to 1 tablet per day of this new
supplement, or 400IU.

Note that I have no problem with lying out in the sun --
my problem seems to just be with supplements,

Marc

Hi Marc
 
Hmnn
 
I'm no expert but I have over the last 6 weeks or so been reading a lot about vitamin D - Dr Mercola gives great information about it and his advice is that you need to be very careful around formulations with vitamin A in them - i will try to check out the link and post it so you can read it for yourself, but if you were taking 3 of these a day you'd have been takingin a lot of Vitamin A and perhaps it was that which was counteracting any positive benefits you could have got from the Vitamin D.
 
I'm taking 2000 iu per day of Pro Health's vitamin D3 which I seem to be doing ok on so far - when the summer comes [fingers crossed] if we get some decent sunshine I will hope to manufacture my Vit D naturally and, weather permitting, intend to suspend my supplement until the autumn. Apparently thebest time of the day to make it from the sun is the hourse between 12 and 2pm [when we are all supposed to be in the shade] and it is advisable not to shower immediately after exposure because then you will be washing off the skin oils which you need to help your body absorb it into the blood stream. Enough about vitamin D - I'll look for the link.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 3:50 PM






> What sort of a Vit D were you taking before? and how much were you
> taking?

I was taking a Vitamin D tablet from Standard Process, a company
which makes professional- grade supplements for doctors. The
product was called "Cataplex D", and I was (attempting) to
take 3 tablets per day, or 2400 IU. But I could not tolerate
this amount.

http://www.standard process.com/ display/Standard ProcessCatalog. spi?ID=58

I've previously tried 3 other brands of Vitamin D, but could not
tolerate these either (including just plain old cod liver oil).

So now my doctor has switched me to Innate Response Formulas
Vitamin D-3, which is another doctor's brand, but this Vitamin D-3
is a whole-foods vitamin, compared to 99.9% of the other brands
which are synthetic:

https://www. innateresponse. com/What_ s_the_Difference _.html

And now my dose is down to 1 tablet per day of this new
supplement, or 400IU.

Note that I have no problem with lying out in the sun --
my problem seems to just be with supplements,

Marc
















     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Marc,

I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.

Now it seems, that only health problems are posted, and mainly women only
answering.
The postings by men are neglected.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D

> I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.
>
> Now it seems, that only health problems are posted

I think most of the "health problem" posts lately *have* been related
to ES. My Vitamin D posts came up because the Vitamin D was clearly
making my ES worse, such that I had to limit my computer usage
due to "face burning" symptoms. That issue cleared up quickly after
discontinuing the Vitamin D.

And concerns over an upcoming surgery seem somewhat relevant, as
a hospital seems like a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

Marc