Wi fi detectors..

No that is not correct.

It is not: *a hospital SEEMS LIKE a hostile environment to someone who has
ES*

A hospital IS a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

1. They have mobile phone masts on their roofs.

2. They place the patients on metal beds, with electromotors beneath.

3. They administer injections which contain mercury.

4. They inject contrast fluid, which causes electrosensibility.

5. A lot of hospitals do have a lot of wireless stuff around.

So, a hospital is a very bad place to be.

Not only for people who are *ES*, but also for those who may become *ES*.

I have read somewhere, that the main cause for death is your doctor.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D


>> I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.
>>
>> Now it seems, that only health problems are posted
>

> And concerns over an upcoming surgery seem somewhat relevant, as
> a hospital seems like a hostile environment to someone who has ES.
>
> Marc
>

Hey Steph,
 
I will look up that doc. I have been taking calcium plus suppliment becauseI have osteoporosis but the vit D has been a problem for me because I justdon't seem to process so the D3 hopefully will show up in the blood & do me some good. Thanks for the info.
 
Loni

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 4:40 AM






Hi Loni
 
I'm also taking D3 and I think that if you diet isn't rich enough in calcium you would need to be taking a calcium and magnesium supplement with it because these 2 mineral work with each other - I added in a calcium and magnesium supplement about 5 ydays ago - probably not the best quality one I could be using but it was all I had to hand and I have noticed a marked improvement. A UK Doctor Andrew Goldsworthy has written on electrosensitivity andif you google his name and EMF you will come across his paper where he talks about ES mimicing a condition called hypercalcaemia, and that treatment with calcium could help with ES - it's a good read and worth a look.
 
Hope you are doing ok
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 7:40 PM

I have burning skin daily also Marc. I was informed on another group that green clay is really good for detoxing electrical radiation.
 
I am also low in vit D but have been taking for some time. I don't think weare capable of converting the D to D3 in our livers so taking D3 is best. Having osteoporosis this is important. Loni

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:06 AM

Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc

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Yikes, I hope I don't end up there. Loni

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:04 AM






No that is not correct.

It is not: *a hospital SEEMS LIKE a hostile environment to someone who has
ES*

A hospital IS a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

1. They have mobile phone masts on their roofs.

2. They place the patients on metal beds, with electromotors beneath.

3. They administer injections which contain mercury.

4. They inject contrast fluid, which causes electrosensibility.

5. A lot of hospitals do have a lot of wireless stuff around.

So, a hospital is a very bad place to be.

Not only for people who are *ES*, but also for those who may become *ES*.

I have read somewhere, that the main cause for death is your doctor.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D

>> I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.
>>
>> Now it seems, that only health problems are posted
>

> And concerns over an upcoming surgery seem somewhat relevant, as
> a hospital seems like a hostile environment to someone who has ES.
>
> Marc
>

















     

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Hi Loni
 
I will look for the links of all of the stuff I have on Vit D and try to post them - vitamin d is highly relevant to electrosensitivity because it helps to transport neurotoxins from the brain [i know I definitely read that somewhere] and it was one of the reasons why I decided to start taking it - it is also supposed to help boost resistance to infection and others say ithelps to prevent cancer, something which EMFs are known to cause. I think it is definitely an issue for this group on all of those counts. I haven't had bloodwork done - I probably should have done but I had an idea I was deficient from how I am at this time of the year in the past [dull grey skies, low daylight and short days don't play well with me!] which was why I went ahead. I could have asked my doctor to do a test, but our healthcare system in the UK is not the same as yours and he'd have probably refused to do it and said it wasn't necessary.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 6:36 PM






Hey Steph,
 
I will look up that doc. I have been taking calcium plus suppliment becauseI have osteoporosis but the vit D has been a problem for me because I justdon't seem to process so the D3 hopefully will show up in the blood & do me some good. Thanks for the info.
 
Loni

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 4:40 AM

Hi Loni
 
I'm also taking D3 and I think that if you diet isn't rich enough in calcium you would need to be taking a calcium and magnesium supplement with it because these 2 mineral work with each other - I added in a calcium and magnesium supplement about 5 ydays ago - probably not the best quality one I could be using but it was all I had to hand and I have noticed a marked improvement. A UK Doctor Andrew Goldsworthy has written on electrosensitivity andif you google his name and EMF you will come across his paper where he talks about ES mimicing a condition called hypercalcaemia, and that treatment with calcium could help with ES - it's a good read and worth a look.
 
Hope you are doing ok
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 7:40 PM

I have burning skin daily also Marc. I was informed on another group that green clay is really good for detoxing electrical radiation.
 
I am also low in vit D but have been taking for some time. I don't think weare capable of converting the D to D3 in our livers so taking D3 is best. Having osteoporosis this is important. Loni

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 11:06 AM

Hi all,

I went back to my doctor to complain about the burning
face and worsened electrical sensitivity symptoms I
was getting from increasing my intake of Vitamin D,
and after some muscle testing, she thought that the
Vitamin D was stressing my urinary tract system,
and perhaps the excess of toxins were trying to
exit via my skin. So she's changing brands of
Vitamin D to a "whole food" D3 (plus lowering
the dosage), and also added a urinary drainage
formula.

Plus, I'm gonna take a look at what else I
can do for kidney/urinary tract support.

If my burning face symptom is the result of urinary/kidney
stress, then that is definitely useful information!

Marc

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I will be there on Friday - I wish I hadn't seen that post :-)

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 6:42 PM






Yikes, I hope I don't end up there. Loni

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote:

From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:04 AM

No that is not correct.

It is not: *a hospital SEEMS LIKE a hostile environment to someone who has
ES*

A hospital IS a hostile environment to someone who has ES.

1. They have mobile phone masts on their roofs.

2. They place the patients on metal beds, with electromotors beneath.

3. They administer injections which contain mercury.

4. They inject contrast fluid, which causes electrosensibility.

5. A lot of hospitals do have a lot of wireless stuff around.

So, a hospital is a very bad place to be.

Not only for people who are *ES*, but also for those who may become *ES*.

I have read somewhere, that the main cause for death is your doctor.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D

>> I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.
>>
>> Now it seems, that only health problems are posted
>

> And concerns over an upcoming surgery seem somewhat relevant, as
> a hospital seems like a hostile environment to someone who has ES.
>
> Marc
>

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Just popping in for the first time in a long while. I haven't read all
in these threads yet, but here's something maybe helpful/soothing for
the kidneys etc. -

I was in a serious auto accident a couple months ago, and received a
bruised kidney, which also had a little blood in the urine for a few
days.

Now this formula, I was taking especially to keep the mucus in my lungs
thin, as with broken ribs I couldn't breath deep, but the herbs are
also soothing to that section of the body.

It's called "Air Power" by Enzymatic Therapy, and contains mullein,
fenugreek, marshmallow, and guaifenesin as the main elements.

I cut out coffee and tea to reduce tannins, taking other things to help
the swelling and healing of my ribs that raise ?urea -drawing blank at
the moment, but the above, especially guaifenesin to reduce this help
lower and take load off the kidneys.

Also NAC helps detox. the kidneys from tylenol and other nasty things.

A number of amino acids are beneficial, like citrulline (think
watermelon- yumm), aspartic acid, and check because I can't find my
list, but I think it was ornithine and arginine.

There was more I did, but I don't recall at the moment. Hope that's
some help.

~ Snoshoe

Hi, Charles,
 
I am sorry, and I sense that I am the one who has made you feel that this forum is "women" dominated by my post to Daisy.  This is why I do normallyanswer these questions privately.  I assure you I did not have the intention at all to make this women dominated and "women's health dominated" and wrote the forum about the health problems only because I see a trend toward women showing up here with the same problems.  THEY DO ALSO HAVE ES and it is connected.  My intention was to help others understand any possible health connections so that we all can actually get past these other health issues and move on to how to treat and overcome ES.  If there are health issues connected with ES (and I personally believe there are--fibromyalgia, celiac disease, and chronic fatigue syndrome, and lymphatic congestion, for 4--I would personally want to know that if I was looking for answers for my ES.  Now, this is part of the record and we can move on.  Btw,I
would want the men to have the same treatment.  I just do not see the men showing up with the same subset of problems (I do see men showing up who have lymphatic congestion and occasionally cfs; and this info I sent should apply to them, as well).  We have largely addressed the lymphatic issues in the past--as well we should, since detoxing and lymphatic issues are key to ES.

I am sorry to have made you feel left out or abandoned, Charles.  I do solook forward to all your informative posts.  Please forgive me and lets try to negotiate a peace treaty--one which will make all sides happy.  You guys here stop posting sometimes--when women show up to the forum for help you tend to quit sending technical posts.  We are not stopping you; youstop yourselves!  I think there is more than enough room here for both ideologies.  But I do agree with you that this forum should not become a male or female dominated or totally health (or for that matter, technically dominated) forum.  It should remain as Marc initially intended it--a forum to search for helps for and answers to ES.  A large part of ES is very much technical.  And we need that technical expertise you and others here (usually men) provide.  It doesn't have to be exclusively either sided.  Continue to contribute your part, Charles.  We are listening and respect
what you have to say.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 11:33 AM






Hello Marc,

I was under the impression that this list was about electrosensibility.

Now it seems, that only health problems are posted, and mainly women only
answering.
The postings by men are neglected.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D

















     

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Hi, Snoshoe,
 
Thanks for all the new info!  I have missed you; I always look forward toyour posts--they are so well researched and accurate.  Sorry to hear about your car accident!  Are you doing better otherwise?  You have beenin my thoughts many times as I know you have been in battle with cancer.  (My son sent me recently info on Essiac--an herbal mixture reported to cure cancer and some even claim it prevents it.  I have been looking into it abit; info on it is easy to find online.  Knowing you, you already have this info, eh?  <smile>)  Hope you are well and come visit us more often; we need you!  :)
 
Thanks again for the info,
Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Vitamin D/ kidney urinary
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:51 PM






Just popping in for the first time in a long while. I haven't read all
in these threads yet, but here's something maybe helpful/soothing for
the kidneys etc. -

I was in a serious auto accident a couple months ago, and received a
bruised kidney, which also had a little blood in the urine for a few
days.

Now this formula, I was taking especially to keep the mucus in my lungs
thin, as with broken ribs I couldn't breath deep, but the herbs are
also soothing to that section of the body.

It's called "Air Power" by Enzymatic Therapy, and contains mullein,
fenugreek, marshmallow, and guaifenesin as the main elements.

I cut out coffee and tea to reduce tannins, taking other things to help
the swelling and healing of my ribs that raise ?urea -drawing blank at
the moment, but the above, especially guaifenesin to reduce this help
lower and take load off the kidneys.

Also NAC helps detox. the kidneys from tylenol and other nasty things.

A number of amino acids are beneficial, like citrulline (think
watermelon- yumm), aspartic acid, and check because I can't find my
list, but I think it was ornithine and arginine.

There was more I did, but I don't recall at the moment. Hope that's
some help.

~ Snoshoe

















     

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