Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers

Hi all,

I ran across this website, that sells devices that disable
nearby cellphones & wi-fi (presumably also smart meters):

  http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application

I wonder how an ES person would react with one of these
things on?  Would the signals of the jammer make them
feel worse, or would they feel better because all of
the other devices are disabled?

And if it worked on Smart Meters, how long would it
take for the power company to track you down?   :-)

Marc

Great minds think alike..I've often wondered the same thing!
I read they were illegial here, in the states.
Lizzie
 



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:00:08 -0800
Subject: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers


 



Hi all,

I ran across this website, that sells devices that disable
nearby cellphones & wi-fi (presumably also smart meters):

http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application

I wonder how an ES person would react with one of these
things on? Would the signals of the jammer make them
feel worse, or would they feel better because all of
the other devices are disabled?

And if it worked on Smart Meters, how long would it
take for the power company to track you down? :-)

Marc



     

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Hello Marc,

that is like trying to exorcise the devil with Satan.

I had once measured such a jammer.
The spectrumanalysis can be seen at
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11f.html
scroll down to 13-02-2011 Jammers.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by MSE/MAMUTU




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  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:00 AM
  Subject: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers


  Hi all,

  I ran across this website, that sells devices that disable
  nearby cellphones & wi-fi (presumably also smart meters):

    http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application

  I wonder how an ES person would react with one of these
  things on?  Would the signals of the jammer make them
  feel worse, or would they feel better because all of
  the other devices are disabled?

  And if it worked on Smart Meters, how long would it
  take for the power company to track you down?   :-)

  Marc


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Hey Marc,
 
I heard that these devices were illegal for the general public, but okay for certain industries.
I would think that that would still be the case, even more so now.
 
Pam

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:00 PM



 



Hi all,

I ran across this website, that sells devices that disable
nearby cellphones & wi-fi (presumably also smart meters):

http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application

I wonder how an ES person would react with one of these
things on? Would the signals of the jammer make them
feel worse, or would they feel better because all of
the other devices are disabled?

And if it worked on Smart Meters, how long would it
take for the power company to track you down? :-)

Marc







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I like your analogy Charles...I must use that one.
 
Pam


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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 3:53 AM



 



Hello Marc,

that is like trying to exorcise the devil with Satan.

I had once measured such a jammer.
The spectrumanalysis can be seen at
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11f.html
scroll down to 13-02-2011 Jammers.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by MSE/MAMUTU

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:00 AM
Subject: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers

Hi all,

I ran across this website, that sells devices that disable
nearby cellphones & wi-fi (presumably also smart meters):

http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application

I wonder how an ES person would react with one of these
things on? Would the signals of the jammer make them
feel worse, or would they feel better because all of
the other devices are disabled?

And if it worked on Smart Meters, how long would it
take for the power company to track you down? :-)

Marc

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Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim


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Hey Tim,
 
I was just thinking this morning as I was following up on what someone on here said about the SMART meters coming to NJ, I don't think I could possiby tolerate SMART meters because I am constantly burning now from the WIFI gadgets.  I was thinking...well I found out about the SMART meters, BPL, and the Bionic 4G LTE network that is also, not yet in NJ-- from my EHS comrades on eSens.  I learned about the WIFI refrigerators, and WIFI big screens from advertising.  I learned about the new "SMART" (WIFI) boards from walking into a 1st grade classroom  and getting my butt fried off.  These "boards" are like the size of 2 big screens.
 
I said to myself this morning,--"Damn, I wonder what the hell will be next?"  Then you show up with the announcement of the day.  SUPER WIFI!!!!!?  I wonder how much time we've got, when you add in all the "real radiation" floating out here.  I love your sense of humor...ya gotta have ONE!!!
 
So what do we do, roll over and fry? Hee-hee.
 
Pam


--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 2:58 PM



 



Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim

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Reading this article brought to mind another article I came across a couple of years ago about these transmission cubes that would provide WIFI locally to possibly individuals to begin to move away from the cell tower paradigm.  The cubes were about 3" x 3" or so.  But they could fit anywhere.  Maybe this is the direction this article is talking about.

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 2:58 PM



 



Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim

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Hey folks,


Here's an interesting radio show on Green Living...


Description
Sociologist Jennifer Fosket, PhD discusses from
her book Living Green and the various communities that she and her
co-author studied as examples of people living together using non-toxic,
sustainable practices, and building techniques.

It's a free stream if you listen by the next show on February 28th.  It's a $1.95 download if you listen afterwards...It also includes a short talk on the health implications of Fracking. For more info on Fracking, check out the documentary Gasland...


FYI, the stream isn't working with Firefox 10.0.2, but I got it to work with IE 8... 

http://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org/?page_id=69

Tim

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Thanks Pam!  You hit the nail on the head there... "Smart" technology is another can of worms. The Green Living radio show talks about this danger and increasing wireless refugees as well... I'm one of them. I'm having to leave my IT job and home to avoid Wifi.  I'm headed for the Pacific Northwest soon to try to find an organic farm without Wifi where I can do an internship and learn to farm... Then I want to find or build a community where I can live peacefully and simply without all this wireless technology!  

All this makes me think.. Who needs contraception prevention for population control, when we have all this wireless technology that may eventually achieve the same goal!  Sigh...


Oh yes. We have to keep our sense of humor. When it feels like it's me against the world, it's the only thing I've got at times... :-) 


Tim



________________________________
 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi
 

 
Hey Tim,
 
I was just thinking this morning as I was following up on what someone on here said about the SMART meters coming to NJ, I don't think I could possiby tolerate SMART meters because I am constantly burning now from the WIFI gadgets.  I was thinking...well I found out about the SMART meters, BPL, and the Bionic 4G LTE network that is also, not yet in NJ-- from my EHS comrades on eSens.  I learned about the WIFI refrigerators, and WIFI big screens from advertising.  I learned about the new "SMART" (WIFI) boards from walking into a 1st grade classroom  and getting my butt fried off.  These "boards" are like the size of 2 big screens.
 
I said to myself this morning,--"Damn, I wonder what the hell will be next?"  Then you show up with the announcement of the day.  SUPER WIFI!!!!!?  I wonder how much time we've got, when you add in all the "real radiation" floating out here.  I love your sense of humor...ya gotta have ONE!!!
 
So what do we do, roll over and fry? Hee-hee.
 
Pam

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 2:58 PM

 

Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim

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Oh, I forgot to mention... It's embarrassing at the end that the author didn't know the website for the Intentional Communities directory... It's http://www.ic.org/... I don't know how I would do if put on the spot in a national audience interview as well. My words would turn to gibberish! 


Tim



________________________________
 From: Tim <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: [eSens] Radio Show on Green Living and Fracking, free stream next few days
 

 
Hey folks,

Here's an interesting radio show on Green Living...

Description
Sociologist Jennifer Fosket, PhD discusses from
her book Living Green and the various communities that she and her
co-author studied as examples of people living together using non-toxic,
sustainable practices, and building techniques.

It's a free stream if you listen by the next show on February 28th.  It's a $1.95 download if you listen afterwards...It also includes a short talk on the health implications of Fracking. For more info on Fracking, check out the documentary Gasland...

FYI, the stream isn't working with Firefox 10.0.2, but I got it to work with IE 8... 

http://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org/?page_id=69

Tim

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/texans-demand-freedom-from-smart-meters/
 
Smart meter court case info in Texas.
 
Lizzie

 



To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:47:44 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi


 



Thanks Pam!  You hit the nail on the head there... "Smart" technology is another can of worms. The Green Living radio show talks about this danger and increasing wireless refugees as well... I'm one of them. I'm having to leave my IT job and home to avoid Wifi.  I'm headed for the Pacific Northwest soon to try to find an organic farm without Wifi where I can do an internship and learn to farm... Then I want to find or build a community where I can live peacefully and simply without all this wireless technology!  

All this makes me think.. Who needs contraception prevention for population control, when we have all this wireless technology that may eventually achieve the same goal!  Sigh...

Oh yes. We have to keep our sense of humor. When it feels like it's me against the world, it's the only thing I've got at times... :-)  

Tim

________________________________
From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi


 
Hey Tim,
 
I was just thinking this morning as I was following up on what someone on here said about the SMART meters coming to NJ, I don't think I could possiby tolerate SMART meters because I am constantly burning now from the WIFI gadgets.  I was thinking...well I found out about the SMART meters, BPL, and the Bionic 4G LTE network that is also, not yet in NJ-- from my EHS comrades on eSens.  I learned about the WIFI refrigerators, and WIFI big screens from advertising.  I learned about the new "SMART" (WIFI) boards from walking into a 1st grade classroom  and getting my butt fried off.  These "boards" are like the size of 2 big screens.
 
I said to myself this morning,--"Damn, I wonder what the hell will be next?"  Then you show up with the announcement of the day.  SUPER WIFI!!!!!?  I wonder how much time we've got, when you add in all the "real radiation" floating out here.  I love your sense of humor...ya gotta have ONE!!!
 
So what do we do, roll over and fry? Hee-hee.
 
Pam

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 2:58 PM

 

Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim

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Thanks Tim,
 
You worked in IT, wow.  I hear that sometimes engineers end up EHS, too.  I even heard that at the end of his life Nikola Telsa ended up with some bizarre sensory overload.  Of course, he was in his late eighties when he died-- but then again when he lived there was still plenty of open space and Schumann frequencies left on the planet.
 
I hope you will be happy farming.  I follow Gary Null.  I know that he is a renown organic farmer and nutritionist.  He's very radical.  I like his work a lot.  I wish that one day he will produce a documentary about ESers and our current plight.
 
Finally, regarding your comment about infertility.  This is widely known in the scientific community.  Apparantly  there are pockets of society that are bent upon reversing the human population at all costs. There's even people like Bill Gates who are supposed to be involved in some present day eugenics programme.
 
I just heard that the HAARP project may have been involved in creating the Japan earthquake and that a computer virus may have had something to do with the Fukushima disaster.  This statement came from a renown geophysicist that claims there was some sort of testing being monitored by 4 to 6 countries between March 2-9, 2011 (similarly how on 9/11 the government was running a military game/exercise that supposedly involved the flying of planes into the WTC.  This is why NORAD was supposedly undermanned and could not respond on 9/11).  Also, I had no idea that the Soviet Union was the country that initiated the HAARP program and that several other countries are involved including Japan.  The short of it is-- these psychos running the planet right now are determined to stop the human population from expanding any further, at all costs.
 
Pretty scarey stuff...pretty scarey times.  People have to laugh or crumble. Strap in baby, it could be a rocky landing...
 
Have a great week!
Pam

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:47 PM



 



Thanks Pam!  You hit the nail on the head there... "Smart" technology is another can of worms. The Green Living radio show talks about this danger and increasing wireless refugees as well... I'm one of them. I'm having to leave my IT job and home to avoid Wifi.  I'm headed for the Pacific Northwest soon to try to find an organic farm without Wifi where I can do an internship and learn to farm... Then I want to find or build a community where I can live peacefully and simply without all this wireless technology!  

All this makes me think.. Who needs contraception prevention for population control, when we have all this wireless technology that may eventually achieve the same goal!  Sigh...

Oh yes. We have to keep our sense of humor. When it feels like it's me against the world, it's the only thing I've got at times... :-) 

Tim

________________________________
From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi


 
Hey Tim,
 
I was just thinking this morning as I was following up on what someone on here said about the SMART meters coming to NJ, I don't think I could possiby tolerate SMART meters because I am constantly burning now from the WIFI gadgets.  I was thinking...well I found out about the SMART meters, BPL, and the Bionic 4G LTE network that is also, not yet in NJ-- from my EHS comrades on eSens.  I learned about the WIFI refrigerators, and WIFI big screens from advertising.  I learned about the new "SMART" (WIFI) boards from walking into a 1st grade classroom  and getting my butt fried off.  These "boards" are like the size of 2 big screens.
 
I said to myself this morning,--"Damn, I wonder what the hell will be next?"  Then you show up with the announcement of the day.  SUPER WIFI!!!!!?  I wonder how much time we've got, when you add in all the "real radiation" floating out here.  I love your sense of humor...ya gotta have ONE!!!
 
So what do we do, roll over and fry? Hee-hee.
 
Pam

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 2:58 PM

 

Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim

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Thanks for the radio show, Tim!

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Radio Show on Green Living and Fracking, free stream next few days
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:17 PM



 



Hey folks,

Here's an interesting radio show on Green Living...

Description
Sociologist Jennifer Fosket, PhD discusses from
her book Living Green and the various communities that she and her
co-author studied as examples of people living together using non-toxic,
sustainable practices, and building techniques.

It's a free stream if you listen by the next show on February 28th.  It's a $1.95 download if you listen afterwards...It also includes a short talk on the health implications of Fracking. For more info on Fracking, check out the documentary Gasland...

FYI, the stream isn't working with Firefox 10.0.2, but I got it to work with IE 8... 

http://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org/?page_id=69

Tim

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Hey Pam,


Yeah, perhaps the new mantra for the EHS movement will be... Make LOVE, not Wifi!  He, he, he...


I have to give organic farming a try, give it my best. I'm not getting any younger!  :-)  At the least, I'll know much more about growing organic food and how to be more sustainable. I think these will be very useful and needed skills for the future. We live in strange times indeed, and history shows us a long thread of strangeness. It's up to each of us individually to do what we can to make the world a better place, and I'll do my part. The quote from Ghandi comes to mind... "Be the change you want to see in the world." 

Thanks for the encouragement! 


Tim



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 From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi
 

 
Thanks Tim,
 
You worked in IT, wow.  I hear that sometimes engineers end up EHS, too.  I even heard that at the end of his life Nikola Telsa ended up with some bizarre sensory overload.  Of course, he was in his late eighties when he died-- but then again when he lived there was still plenty of open space and Schumann frequencies left on the planet.
 
I hope you will be happy farming.  I follow Gary Null.  I know that he is a renown organic farmer and nutritionist.  He's very radical.  I like his work a lot.  I wish that one day he will produce a documentary about ESers and our current plight.
 
Finally, regarding your comment about infertility.  This is widely known in the scientific community.  Apparantly  there are pockets of society that are bent upon reversing the human population at all costs. There's even people like Bill Gates who are supposed to be involved in some present day eugenics programme.
 
I just heard that the HAARP project may have been involved in creating the Japan earthquake and that a computer virus may have had something to do with the Fukushima disaster.  This statement came from a renown geophysicist that claims there was some sort of testing being monitored by 4 to 6 countries between March 2-9, 2011 (similarly how on 9/11 the government was running a military game/exercise that supposedly involved the flying of planes into the WTC.  This is why NORAD was supposedly undermanned and could not respond on 9/11).  Also, I had no idea that the Soviet Union was the country that initiated the HAARP program and that several other countries are involved including Japan.  The short of it is-- these psychos running the planet right now are determined to stop the human population from expanding any further, at all costs.
 
Pretty scarey stuff...pretty scarey times.  People have to laugh or crumble. Strap in baby, it could be a rocky landing...
 
Have a great week!
Pam

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:47 PM

 

Thanks Pam!  You hit the nail on the head there... "Smart" technology is another can of worms. The Green Living radio show talks about this danger and increasing wireless refugees as well... I'm one of them. I'm having to leave my IT job and home to avoid Wifi.  I'm headed for the Pacific Northwest soon to try to find an organic farm without Wifi where I can do an internship and learn to farm... Then I want to find or build a community where I can live peacefully and simply without all this wireless technology!  

All this makes me think.. Who needs contraception prevention for population control, when we have all this wireless technology that may eventually achieve the same goal!  Sigh...

Oh yes. We have to keep our sense of humor. When it feels like it's me against the world, it's the only thing I've got at times... :-) 

Tim

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From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Super Wifi

 
Hey Tim,
 
I was just thinking this morning as I was following up on what someone on here said about the SMART meters coming to NJ, I don't think I could possiby tolerate SMART meters because I am constantly burning now from the WIFI gadgets.  I was thinking...well I found out about the SMART meters, BPL, and the Bionic 4G LTE network that is also, not yet in NJ-- from my EHS comrades on eSens.  I learned about the WIFI refrigerators, and WIFI big screens from advertising.  I learned about the new "SMART" (WIFI) boards from walking into a 1st grade classroom  and getting my butt fried off.  These "boards" are like the size of 2 big screens.
 
I said to myself this morning,--"Damn, I wonder what the hell will be next?"  Then you show up with the announcement of the day.  SUPER WIFI!!!!!?  I wonder how much time we've got, when you add in all the "real radiation" floating out here.  I love your sense of humor...ya gotta have ONE!!!
 
So what do we do, roll over and fry? Hee-hee.
 
Pam

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From: Tim <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Super Wifi
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 2:58 PM

 

Hey folks,

I came across an article in the March 2012 Popular Science magazine, titled Stronger Signals... It discusses a new technology called Super Wifi that operates at lower frequency (from 470 to 698 megahertz). It's also been called Wifi on Steroids. Hmmm... It has longer wavelengths so that it can travel farther and penetrate walls. It's said Super Wifi can quadruple the standard range of Wifi, so that a standard four watt outdoor transmitter could extend a hotspot (I just love that term, as it's so literal), that extends 2-3 miles in a dense city, or up to 40 miles in an open plain.

The article says this is scheduled to hit the market in 2014, but I've read elsewhere that Houston and other locations have already been testing Super Wifi, and it may start rolling out next year...

I found the online version of the article here: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-02/wi-fi-could-become-widespread-cellular

It seems Super Wifi is going to take unused airwaves between TV channels, so on the surface it seems it might be a potentially safer Wifi since it's not using microwave frequencies. Unfortunately it will still use digital pulses, so this is a concern, especially for rural areas where there have been less concentrations of digital pulses. Soon anyone could setup a transmitter that could affect people 40-60 miles away, as it won't be licensed like cell towers.

I can't find a lot of discussion about the health implications on the web yet, but I did find this article from Dr. Havas:
http://www.magdahavas.com/white-spaces-super-wifi-and-potentially-dangerous/

If anyone has additional info on Super Wifi, please share...  Oh what a world we live in...

I'm rethinking an earlier plan to go live in a deep cave. He, he, he...

Tim

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They  do work and its fun to behold ! but yes they fry your kidneys !  you
can put a foil barrier between you and the jammer, I am only talking small  
ones here say the size of a small mobile with an effective range of 5-10m  
indoors.
 
 
In a message dated 25/02/2012 16:52:53 GMT Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
I like your analogy Charles...I must use that  one.

Pam

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(mailto:[hidden email]) >  wrote:

From: charles <_charles@milieuziektes.be_ (mailto:[hidden email])
>
Subject:  Re: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone jammers
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date:  Saturday, February 25, 2012, 3:53 AM



Hello  Marc,

that is like trying to exorcise the devil with Satan.

I  had once measured such a jammer.
The spectrumanalysis can be seen at
_http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11f.html_
(http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11f.html)
scroll  down to 13-02-2011 Jammers.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member  Verband  Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked  by MSE/MAMUTU

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin  
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
Sent:  Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:00 AM
Subject: [eSens] Wi-Fi / cellphone  jammers

Hi all,

I ran across this website, that sells devices  that disable
nearby cellphones & wi-fi (presumably also smart  meters):

_http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application_
(http://www.jammer-store.com/jammers-application)

I  wonder how an ES person would react with one of these
things on? Would the  signals of the jammer make them
feel worse, or would they feel better  because all of
the other devices are disabled?

And if it worked on  Smart Meters, how long would it
take for the power company to track you  down?  :-)

Marc

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Whoa....



Tim wrote thus at 03:58 26/02/2012:

That wouldn't be a personal concern—for as long as I remain a monk. :-)

Lack of birth would be relatively kind. Producing mutants is quite another thing. And I'm not talking X-Men.

kb

Tim wrote thus at 05:47 26/02/2012:
>All this makes me think.. Who needs contraception prevention for population control, when we have all this wireless technology that may eventually achieve the same goal!  Sigh...

Soon after my "Whoa..." posting, the mind turned and thought, "This might be a good thing. Yep. This might be just the thing to cause enough people to wake up to the harm of digital wireless communication." Meanwhile, be prepared.

pamela clemonts wrote thus at 04:56 26/02/2012:

That is so true. Seems we have enough folks on this planet already, but we could use a few more X-Men.  :-) 



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 From: Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:11 AM
Subject: Birth control-- Re: [eSens] Super Wifi
 

 
That wouldn't be a personal concern—for as long as I remain a monk. :-)

Lack of birth would be relatively kind. Producing mutants is quite another thing. And I'm not talking X-Men.

kb

Tim wrote thus at 05:47 26/02/2012:
>All this makes me think.. Who needs contraception prevention for population control, when we have all this wireless technology that may eventually achieve the same goal!  Sigh...


 

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