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bbin37

Charles, have you had good reproducible results tracking RFI
measurements with respect to known health affecters, detrimental and
beneficial? What would you recommend it for in terms of diagnostic
work?

Also, what texts or articles would you recommend for reading up on the
phenomenon of body tension and standardized ways to measure and deal
with it?

Thx,
Beau
--- In [hidden email], "stichting milieuziektes"
<milieuziektes@s...> wrote:
> Another explanation:
>
> Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html
>
> There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging.
> (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!)
> .
> It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body
frequencies are
> measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which than
gives a
> color and explanation of the corresponding aura's.
>
> Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with a
frequency
> counter.
> If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change
accordingly.
>
> So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields.
> Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can feel
and see
> them at the same time.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>

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Re: Weird question

carazzz
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Thanks everyone. Will try the following:

1. Polarizer pendant at work
2. Quantum Power strip at office workstation (these are my
husband's but I can borrow them for testing purposes, especially
since grounding his workstation outlets has worked so well)
3. salt baths as soon as I get home ("I'm sorry dinner will be
late, honey, but I'm really doing this for you…")  
4. Red Wing shoes (if I can find the right type in women's sizes
and suitable for a "corporate" setting – any suggestions?)

Also:

5. Decommissioned my Airport base station. No more Internet
surfing at home until I can figure out how to do it the old-fashioned
(wired) way.
6. Can't decommission cell phone, unfortunately, but definitely
cell phone will be OFF while at home. Have also noticed that cell
phone use seems to leave a charge in my body that could potentially
trigger symptoms in an ES person near me.

This list is the best.

Cara

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Re: Weird question

Marc Martin
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> 4. Red Wing shoes (if I can find the right type in women's sizes
> and suitable for a "corporate" setting – any suggestions?)

I don't know about the choices in shoe styles, but the feature
you are looking for is called "Static-Dissipative"

http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0998esd.htm
http://www.ce-mag.com/suppliers/cat/449.html

Marc

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Re: Weird question

Drasko Cvijovic
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I have mentioned at the very beginning of the List, there really seems to be
some connection between ES and other sensitivities, the most weird of is -
sensitivity to persons... The Russian Gamma 7 neutralizer is claimed to be
effective against that as well, besides protecting against EMF impact...

Personally, I believe that no "human source of EMF" is relevant when we
sense the impact from other persons, more likely is that it just has the
same "denominator" with ES... Possibly the same (still musterious) principle
is underlying the both phenomena...
Practically, emotional condition (distress) of a person is one of the causes
of his unpleasant invisible impact to others... How it is transmitted is
very unknown.

(Anyway, the fact this kind of sensing is really possible, doesn't mean it
is happening everytime we believe it does! On contrary, once you try to make
blind tests, it could prove that just the small part of our assumptions is
true!)

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: [eSens] Weird question


>
>
> Here's a strange one: Have anyone on this list had their symptoms
triggered by
> exposure to a *person*? Today, after a low-symptom day, my husband
welcomed
> me home from work and *instantly* experienced ES symptoms. Took us a while
> to recognize the trigger, but then we realized his pain was caused by
proximity
> to *me*. Blindfolded, he could tell which foot my hand was near -- as soon
as I
> got within 2 feet of him, he felt crummy. (No jokes please -- we usually
enjoy
> each other's company.)
>
> I work at a computer all day and even I can feel the buzzing in my hands
and legs
> for hours after I leave work. (Everyone in the company uses Treos, surfs
> wirelessly, etc.) Could my body really be acting like an EMF transmitter?
And, if

> so, what can I do to prevent or reduce this effect?
>
> Cara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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stichting milieuziektes
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Hello Beau,

yes, I've had some remarkable results with RFI.
It is not supposed to work as a diagnostic means, but many use it that way.

About body tension, there is not much literature.
The entering resistance must have 10 MOhm and a capacity of less than 100
pF, in order to obtain comparable measurements.
The person must lie on the bed, and the COM connector must be grounded and
on the enter connector a hand electrode is connected.
measurements are done in the AC position.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus




----- Original Message -----
From: "Beau" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 21:03
Subject: [eSens] Re: Weird question


>
>
> Charles, have you had good reproducible results tracking RFI
> measurements with respect to known health affecters, detrimental and
> beneficial? What would you recommend it for in terms of diagnostic
> work?
>
> Also, what texts or articles would you recommend for reading up on the
> phenomenon of body tension and standardized ways to measure and deal
> with it?
>
> Thx,
> Beau
> --- In [hidden email], "stichting milieuziektes"
> <milieuziektes@s...> wrote:
> > Another explanation:
> >
> > Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html
> >
> > There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging.
> > (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!)
> > .
> > It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body
> frequencies are
> > measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which than
> gives a
> > color and explanation of the corresponding aura's.
> >
> > Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with a
> frequency
> > counter.
> > If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change
> accordingly.
> >
> > So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields.
> > Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can feel
> and see
> > them at the same time.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Weird question

randolf_everywhere-3

--- In [hidden email], "stichting milieuziektes"
<milieuziektes@s...> wrote:
> Hello Beau,
>
> yes, I've had some remarkable results with RFI.
> It is not supposed to work as a diagnostic means, but many use it that
way.
>
> About body tension, there is not much literature.
> The entering resistance must have 10 MOhm and a capacity of less
than 100
> pF, in order to obtain comparable measurements.
> The person must lie on the bed, and the COM connector must be
grounded and
> on the enter connector a hand electrode is connected.
> measurements are done in the AC position.


Hello,

I am in Asia and often stay in Guesthouses. The waterpipes are of
plastic and there is often no heating so that I cannot get grounding on
the second floor. How to measure for electric fields?

Randolf

> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beau" <netfarer2@y...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 21:03
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Weird question
>
>
> >
> >
> > Charles, have you had good reproducible results tracking RFI
> > measurements with respect to known health affecters, detrimental
and
> > beneficial? What would you recommend it for in terms of diagnostic
> > work?
> >
> > Also, what texts or articles would you recommend for reading up on
the
> > phenomenon of body tension and standardized ways to measure
and deal

> > with it?
> >
> > Thx,
> > Beau
> > --- In [hidden email], "stichting milieuziektes"
> > <milieuziektes@s...> wrote:
> > > Another explanation:
> > >
> > > Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html
> > >
> > > There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging.
> > > (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!)
> > > .
> > > It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body
> > frequencies are
> > > measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which
than
> > gives a
> > > color and explanation of the corresponding aura's.
> > >
> > > Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with
a
> > frequency
> > > counter.
> > > If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change
> > accordingly.
> > >
> > > So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields.
> > > Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can
feel

> > and see
> > > them at the same time.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton Antivirus
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Re: weird question

carazzz

Randolf, you can ground to the actual earth by running your
grounding wire outside, down the stairs, and into the ground
outside the building. I purchased an extra long spool of
grounding wire for this purpose when I was testing apartments
on 2nd and 3rd floors. Or, if that's not possible (no earth/urban
environment) you can test the electrical outlets using a circuit
tester, and if one of them tests as correctly grounded, use that as
your ground. I've done comparisons of earth vs. grounded outlet
as a ground when taking body voltage measurements, and they
seem roughly equivalent. Experts on this list, please correct me
if I am mistaken.

Cara

----
> Hello,
>
> I am in Asia and often stay in Guesthouses. The waterpipes
are of
> plastic and there is often no heating so that I cannot get
grounding on
> the second floor. How to measure for electric fields?
>
> Randolf

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perla1133
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Hi,

At the time i was extremely sensitive I could feel my friend. She was under emotional distress (I kept telling her to stop already, and everytime she was thinking of *it*.) and had hurt her back. Felt it pulling, almost like a cellular phone. At the same time it seemed *my "healing power"* had increased, so nothing left to do but take her headaches and backache away. Espesially striking her hair relieved her and added to my symptoms. After which I felt I about the same as if i would sitting at a computer at the time (discombubolated) and then grounding was the only thing to do. in those days my body would shake like it was in a chi-machine, sometimes I still ground out this way, if electricity builds up.

Now I still get a slight lower backache, which might be physical/emotional electricity taken on from other people.

Twice now I felt an outflux of energy, followed by dizziness. My intuition said it was not bad, just some energy they needed, so it seems to work in different ways. not just when i consciously send energy, although i did feel love for both these people. (try to love everyone, still growing)

Light




Drasko Cvijovic <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have mentioned at the very beginning of the List, there really seems to be
some connection between ES and other sensitivities, the most weird of is -
sensitivity to persons... The Russian Gamma 7 neutralizer is claimed to be
effective against that as well, besides protecting against EMF impact...

Personally, I believe that no "human source of EMF" is relevant when we
sense the impact from other persons, more likely is that it just has the
same "denominator" with ES... Possibly the same (still musterious) principle
is underlying the both phenomena...
Practically, emotional condition (distress) of a person is one of the causes
of his unpleasant invisible impact to others... How it is transmitted is
very unknown.

(Anyway, the fact this kind of sensing is really possible, doesn't mean it
is happening everytime we believe it does! On contrary, once you try to make
blind tests, it could prove that just the small part of our assumptions is
true!)

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: [eSens] Weird question


>
>
> Here's a strange one: Have anyone on this list had their symptoms
triggered by
> exposure to a *person*? Today, after a low-symptom day, my husband
welcomed
> me home from work and *instantly* experienced ES symptoms. Took us a while
> to recognize the trigger, but then we realized his pain was caused by
proximity
> to *me*. Blindfolded, he could tell which foot my hand was near -- as soon
as I
> got within 2 feet of him, he felt crummy. (No jokes please -- we usually
enjoy
> each other's company.)
>
> I work at a computer all day and even I can feel the buzzing in my hands
and legs
> for hours after I leave work. (Everyone in the company uses Treos, surfs
> wirelessly, etc.) Could my body really be acting like an EMF transmitter?
And, if

> so, what can I do to prevent or reduce this effect?
>
> Cara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: weird question

carazzz
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Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's
effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband
whether I felt less "energy-toxic" to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10
being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last
Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...)

One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment
last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger
ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike
in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if
husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been
related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this
speculation.

Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4
a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot
energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking
about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m.
today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline
throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a
few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with
stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When
he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional*
state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him.
He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can
sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it
concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to
"broil.". This is wild and crazy stuff.

As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my
stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my
reduced "energy toxicity" is attributable to a few different things.
Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain
about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are
at work, not just one or the other, or neither.

Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just
me? :-)

Cara

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Re: weird question

randolf_everywhere-3

Hello,


this things are real but mainstreamsuppressed. I know that social
workers in Germany used psychic attacks for instance as a means of
pressure against people. But when you speak about it you are labeled
crazy.
One of the many double standards the mainstream consists of.

Here is a book where you find more about this stuff but there are
others as well.

Judy Hall

The Art of Psychic Protection


Randolf Weinand






--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:

>
> Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's
> effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband
> whether I felt less "energy-toxic" to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10
> being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last
> Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...)
>
> One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment
> last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger
> ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike
> in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if
> husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been
> related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this
> speculation.
>
> Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4
> a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot
> energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking
> about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m.
> today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline
> throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a
> few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with
> stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When
> he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional*
> state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him.
> He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can
> sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it
> concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to
> "broil.". This is wild and crazy stuff.
>
> As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my
> stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my
> reduced "energy toxicity" is attributable to a few different
things.
> Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain
> about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors
are
> at work, not just one or the other, or neither.
>
> Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it
just
> me? :-)
>
> Cara

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Glenn Coleman
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>Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just
>me? :-)

I think we are learning that we are all made out of energy, and through ES
are learning more about our bodies than many humans learn in a lifetime.

It is a gift that we can voice our thoughts about what our intuition is
telling us, without a doctor shutting the door on our ideas.

We are a live test lab for ES, and our results are real, and doctors could
learn allot about ES by what is happening in this group. Our reason for
doing our research is not money, but our life, so our unwaivering focus and
determination is at its peak. It is an ideal research playground, with our
minds wide open.

I agree at times I feel like we are speculating on some things that seem
from another planet, but without going there we may not make any progress.

Glenn

>From: "Cara" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [eSens] Re: weird question
>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:12:47 -0000
>
>
>Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's
>effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband
>whether I felt less "energy-toxic" to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10
>being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last
>Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...)
>
>One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment
>last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger
>ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike
>in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if
>husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been
>related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this
>speculation.
>
>Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4
>a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot
>energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking
>about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m.
>today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline
>throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a
>few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with
>stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When
>he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional*
>state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him.
>He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can
>sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it
>concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to
>"broil.". This is wild and crazy stuff.
>
>As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my
>stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my
>reduced "energy toxicity" is attributable to a few different things.
>Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain
>about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are
>at work, not just one or the other, or neither.
>
>>Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just
>me? :-)

>Cara
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: weird question

Andrew McAfee
In reply to this post by carazzz
I am very happy you are getting tangible results. A couple of years
before I was ES, my wife would be burning to touch in bed. I would be
shocked sometimes if I would touch her on the elbow. Now that I look
back and after discovering the grounding problems and spring coil
issues of our mattress, be sure to double check your body voltage while
lying in bed. Body Voltage meters are only $25 or so from lessemf.com.
Grounding the bed and also preventive the coils to resonate with the
outside microwave radiation is another element.
Again, I am so glad to hear that you are making progress!
Andrew

On Jan 24, 2005, at 10:12 PM, Cara wrote:

>
>
> Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's
> effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband
> whether I felt less "energy-toxic" to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10
> being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last
> Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...)
>
> One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment
> last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger
> ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike
> in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if
> husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been
> related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this
> speculation.
>
> Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4
> a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot
> energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking
> about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m.
> today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline
> throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a
> few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with
> stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When
> he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional*
> state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him.
> He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can
> sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it
> concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to
> "broil.". This is wild and crazy stuff.
>
> As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my
> stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my
> reduced "energy toxicity" is attributable to a few different things.
> Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain
> about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are
> at work, not just one or the other, or neither.
>
> Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just
> me? :-)
>
> Cara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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carazzz
In reply to this post by Glenn Coleman

Glenn, I could not agree with you more. It takes a lot to break down a person's
natural resistance and get to this point, though. For me and my husband:
years of disappointment in the medical profession before we took
responsibility for our own learning and recovery. Years more to trust what our
bodies were saying in spite of how irrational and unscientific these
impressions seemed. And, on a relationship level -- years more to trust each
other enough to believe this condition is an illness that we need to grapple
with together, not an excuse on the part of the one person to withdraw from
the relationship or not meet the other's needs.

I still blush with shame at my reaction, years ago, when my husband first told
me his computer "hurt" him. He meant it perfectly straightforwardly -- the
keyboard was literally electrocuting him every time he touched it . Even I
could feel the "buzz" from it at the time. But I took offense at his remark
because I had chosen his new computer and put a lot of research into the
selection... A computer can't hurt anyone, I thought, so he was obviously just
being irrational and difficult for some reason I couldn't fathom. The result was
that my husband used that dang computer for years, and it was years before
we realized he was ES. There were plenty of clues for both of us: we just had
too many blinders in place to see them.

What you say, Glenn, about the medical profession being closed off to the
simple facts we are discovering, is absolutely true. But I have been just as
closeminded as our many doctors, with zero excuse. My policy now is to take
every little observation and bit of evidence at face value and seize on it as an
opportunity to learn something valuable, and to heal. Our bodies often know
better than our minds (big lesson for me). Eventually science will catch up to
what our bodies are teaching us, but with luck by then we'll all be feeling so
much better we won't mind one bit that we had to do to get here.

Cara

-- In [hidden email], "Glenn Coleman" <glennhcoleman@h...>
wrote:

> It is a gift that we can voice our thoughts about what our intuition is
> telling us, without a doctor shutting the door on our ideas.

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