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denom

Water as an emf block

Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped
working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the
storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal
from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I
notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better.
All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock
from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that
can contain water to block the emf's.

Andrew McAfee

Re: Water as an emf block

I think the crystalline structure of the flakes has something to do
with it. I noticed that wire Christmas Trees can disrupt signals so
that leads me to believe that the compact layer of shapes in the water
crystalline structure can also disrupt the signal.
I'm no scientist. Just my guess.
I am glad there is something that can stop that signal.
andrew

On Dec 22, 2006, at 7:59 PM, quaixemen wrote:

> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped
> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the
> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the
> signal
> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also
> I
> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better.
> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock
> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that
> can contain water to block the emf's.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Gruendg

Re: Water as an emf block

In reply to this post by denom

In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
[hidden email]:

Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped
working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the
storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal
from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I
notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better.
All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock
from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that
can contain water to block the emf's.

This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about 1 inch
thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. Experimenting
with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this on trees
especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side of the base
station look different than those on the other side, even if they get nearly the
same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the negative load
via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side of the base
station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of mine, who
had between his house and the base station some apple trees experienced in
summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when there were noleafes
on the trees.

But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only the
measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are responsible for the
negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very strangely they are
turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is the reason
why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the long run find
no lasting relief.

Happy Christmas
Dietrich Gruen

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

denom

Re: Water as an emf block

Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection device you have probably thought about or looked for devices, products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any products or strategies or methods that you have found to use water as a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a possibility.
----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Water as an emf block

In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
[hidden email]:

Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that stopped
working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that the
storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the signal
from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from. Also I
notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel better.
All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the clock
from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window that
can contain water to block the emf's.

This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about 1 inch
thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems. Experimenting
with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this on trees
especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side of the base
station look different than those on the other side, even if they get nearly the
same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the negative load
via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side of the base
station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of mine, who
had between his house and the base station some apple trees experienced in
summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when there were no leafes
on the trees.

But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only the
measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are responsible for the
negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very strangely they are
turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is the reason
why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the long runfind
no lasting relief.

Happy Christmas
Dietrich Gruen

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Snoshoe

Re: Water as an emf block

I hope everyone's Christmas was better than mine this year! :) Was
sick but good.

from a previous post, here you go:
"one of the few things that protects
against magnetic fields is water. If there's anyone building a
house, or even greenhouse (which this is used for), it might be worth
looking into incorporating. It's called "Water Wall Bags". I found
it in a catalog, www.GrowersSupply.com I'd guess it could be gotten
cheaper elsewhere."

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
> Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection
device you have probably thought about or looked for devices,
products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any
products or strategies or methods that you have found to use water as
a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device
but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a
possibility.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gruendg@...
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Water as an emf block
>
>
>
> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt
> denom@...:
>
> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that
stopped
> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that
the
> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the
signal
> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from.
Also I
> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel
better.
> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the
clock
> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window
that
> can contain water to block the emf's.
>
> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about
1 inch
> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems.
Experimenting
> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this
on trees
> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side
of the base
> station look different than those on the other side, even if they
get nearly the
> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the
negative load
> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side
of the base
> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of
mine, who
> had between his house and the base station some apple trees
experienced in
> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when
there were no leafes
> on the trees.
>
> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only
the
> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are
responsible for the
> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very
strangely they are
> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is
the reason
> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the
long run find
> no lasting relief.
>
> Happy Christmas
> Dietrich Gruen
>

denom

Re: Water as an emf block

Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic clock faceseast and on the opposite side of the wall which faces Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It would be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow shoe, that blocked the signal to the clock.
----- Original Message -----
From: snoshoe_2
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Water as an emf block

I hope everyone's Christmas was better than mine this year! :) Was
sick but good.

from a previous post, here you go:
"one of the few things that protects
against magnetic fields is water. If there's anyone building a
house, or even greenhouse (which this is used for), it might be worth
looking into incorporating. It's called "Water Wall Bags". I found
it in a catalog, www.GrowersSupply.com I'd guess it could be gotten
cheaper elsewhere."

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
> Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection
device you have probably thought about or looked for devices,
products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any
products or strategies or methods that you have found to use water as
a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device
but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a
possibility.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gruendg@...
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Water as an emf block
>
>
>
> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt
> denom@...:
>
> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that
stopped
> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that
the
> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the
signal
> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from.
Also I
> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel
better.
> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the
clock
> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window
that
> can contain water to block the emf's.
>
> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about
1 inch
> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems.
Experimenting
> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this
on trees
> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side
of the base
> station look different than those on the other side, even if they
get nearly the
> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the
negative load
> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side
of the base
> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of
mine, who
> had between his house and the base station some apple trees
experienced in
> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when
there were no leafes
> on the trees.
>
> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only
the
> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are
responsible for the
> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very
strangely they are
> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is
the reason
> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the
long run find
> no lasting relief.
>
> Happy Christmas
> Dietrich Gruen
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kurt Rowley

Re: Water as an emf block

--- In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic
clock faces east and on the opposite side of the wall which faces
Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon
bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It would
be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow shoe,
that blocked the signal to the clock.

** Try placing the clock inside a large pan of water, maybe in a
bathtub, so it is completely covered by a lot of water. Of course,
the clock would need to be protected by a bag or in a watertight
container. Also, you may need some impurities in the water, like the
snow, maybe add a small amount of dirt or salt.

The theory here - EMF can often bend around a single jug of water.
Microwave or similar signals do not bend, but many other signals do.
The snow was like a blanket, around the house, so the blockage was
very complete.

I am actually fascinated by this, and am reminded that this is
consistent with the fact that ordinary radio waves do not penetrate
the oceans, submarines must float an antenna to the surface to
communicate using ordinary radio signals.

--Kurt

Garth Hitchens

Re: Water as an emf block

In reply to this post by denom

This thing about water isn't really a useful test.

The atomic clock signals from colorado are broadcast on 2.5, 5, 10,
15 and 20 mhz. Depending on the time of day and sunspot activity,
they could arrive on any one of those frequencies. In addition,
because the signals bounce off the ionosphere one or more times, it
is likely that the signals are approaching your house at a high angle
(toward your roof, rather than at the side of your house). Finally,
HF radio signals (such as the ones you describe) are absorbed and re-
radiated by pipes, gutters, wiring, and almost everything else metal
inside your house, 'scrambling' the apparent direction of the signal.

Trying to block the WWV signal (time signal) using a gallon of water
is kind of like trying to stop an AM radio signal from getting to an
AM radio by the same method. It won't work.

To make matters even more complicated, the national bureau of
standards and technologies also broadcasts the time signals on the
SAME FREQUENCIES from Hawaii, so depending on time of day and
geographic location, you could be picking up the Hawaii signals instead.

If you have a short-wave radio receiver you can listen to the signals
- usually strongest on 5, 10, or 15 MHz. The male voice is from
Colorado, the female voice is from Hawaii, in case you can hear both.

I can also attest that you can do a LOT of shielding (whether water
or metal or snow) and you can still get plenty of HF radio into your
house via gaps in the shielding or walls where there is no snow.

Garth

On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:26 AM, denom wrote:

> Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic
> clock faces east and on the opposite side of the wall which faces
> Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon
> bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It
> would be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow
> shoe, that blocked the signal to the clock.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: snoshoe_2
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:08 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Water as an emf block
>
>
> I hope everyone's Christmas was better than mine this year! :) Was
> sick but good.
>
> From a previous post, here you go:
> "one of the few things that protects
> against magnetic fields is water. If there's anyone building a
> house, or even greenhouse (which this is used for), it might be
> worth
> looking into incorporating. It's called "Water Wall Bags". I found
> it in a catalog, www.GrowersSupply.com I'd guess it could be gotten
> cheaper elsewhere."
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>>
>> Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection
> device you have probably thought about or looked for devices,
> products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any
> products or strategies or methods that you have found to use
> water as
> a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device
> but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a
> possibility.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Gruendg@...
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Water as an emf block
>>
>>
>>
>> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
> schreibt
>> denom@...:
>>
>> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that
> stopped
>> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
>> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that
> the
>> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the
> signal
>> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from.
> Also I
>> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel
> better.
>> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the
> clock
>> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window
> that
>> can contain water to block the emf's.
>>
>> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about
> 1 inch
>> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems.
> Experimenting
>> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this
> on trees
>> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side
> of the base
>> station look different than those on the other side, even if they
> get nearly the
>> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the
> negative load
>> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side
> of the base
>> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of
> mine, who
>> had between his house and the base station some apple trees
> experienced in
>> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when
> there were no leafes
>> on the trees.
>>
>> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only
> the
>> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are
> responsible for the
>> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very
> strangely they are
>> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is
> the reason
>> why ES-peope first profit from this kind of shielding and in the
> long run find
>> no lasting relief.
>>
>> Happy Christmas
>> Dietrich Gruen
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

denom

Re: Water as an emf block

I would not guess that it was the snow on the roof that was blocking the signals since the snow on the roof was still there for awhile after the stormstopped and the clock started working again. What you are saying is that it could be that water can block emf if the shielding is everywhere. I will have to try another experiment with the clock surrounded by water on all sides and if it works then that would prove that water can shield frequencies.
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Hitchens
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Water as an emf block

This thing about water isn't really a useful test.

The atomic clock signals from colorado are broadcast on 2.5, 5, 10,
15 and 20 mhz. Depending on the time of day and sunspot activity,
they could arrive on any one of those frequencies. In addition,
because the signals bounce off the ionosphere one or more times, it
is likely that the signals are approaching your house at a high angle
(toward your roof, rather than at the side of your house). Finally,
HF radio signals (such as the ones you describe) are absorbed and re-
radiated by pipes, gutters, wiring, and almost everything else metal
inside your house, 'scrambling' the apparent direction of the signal.

Trying to block the WWV signal (time signal) using a gallon of water
is kind of like trying to stop an AM radio signal from getting to an
AM radio by the same method. It won't work.

To make matters even more complicated, the national bureau of
standards and technologies also broadcasts the time signals on the
SAME FREQUENCIES from Hawaii, so depending on time of day and
geographic location, you could be picking up the Hawaii signals instead.

If you have a short-wave radio receiver you can listen to the signals
- usually strongest on 5, 10, or 15 MHz. The male voice is from
Colorado, the female voice is from Hawaii, in case you can hear both.

I can also attest that you can do a LOT of shielding (whether water
or metal or snow) and you can still get plenty of HF radio into your
house via gaps in the shielding or walls where there is no snow.

Garth

On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:26 AM, denom wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Garth Hitchens

Re: Water as an emf block

Water >can< shield EMF's, definitely, but it takes a LOT of it, and
saltwater is far more effective than normal water. Even with
saltwater, the effectiveness varies by frequency. Although a few
inches of water might stop microwaves (cell phones, etc), lower
frequencies in the HF and ELF range can easily penetrate it. In
the past, military submarine communications took place via ELF. In
fact, the frequency used for submarine communication during the cold
war was 76hz, which is very close to our 60hz power line frequency,
so obviously even a LOT of saltwater won't stop 60hz radiation, since
submarines could still receive 76hz even when submerged quite deeply.

The result is that I'm saying that yes, water/snow can block some
higher frequency RF to some degree, but the effect is not strong
enough to be useful for blocking EMF's for electrosensitivity. Even
sattelite TV dishes which use very high frequency waves are still
mostly functional in rain and snow storms.

Garth

On Dec 27, 2006, at 8:04 PM, denom wrote:

> I would not guess that it was the snow on the roof that was
> blocking the signals since the snow on the roof was still there for
> awhile after the storm stopped and the clock started working
> again. What you are saying is that it could be that water can
> block emf if the shielding is everywhere. I will have to try
> another experiment with the clock surrounded by water on all sides
> and if it works then that would prove that water can shield
> frequencies.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Garth Hitchens
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Water as an emf block
>
>
> This thing about water isn't really a useful test.
>
> The atomic clock signals from colorado are broadcast on 2.5, 5, 10,
> 15 and 20 mhz. Depending on the time of day and sunspot activity,
> they could arrive on any one of those frequencies. In addition,
> because the signals bounce off the ionosphere one or more times, it
> is likely that the signals are approaching your house at a high
> angle
> (toward your roof, rather than at the side of your house). Finally,
> HF radio signals (such as the ones you describe) are absorbed and
> re-
> radiated by pipes, gutters, wiring, and almost everything else metal
> inside your house, 'scrambling' the apparent direction of the
> signal.
>
> Trying to block the WWV signal (time signal) using a gallon of water
> is kind of like trying to stop an AM radio signal from getting to an
> AM radio by the same method. It won't work.
>
> To make matters even more complicated, the national bureau of
> standards and technologies also broadcasts the time signals on the
> SAME FREQUENCIES from Hawaii, so depending on time of day and
> geographic location, you could be picking up the Hawaii signals
> instead.
>
> If you have a short-wave radio receiver you can listen to the
> signals
> - usually strongest on 5, 10, or 15 MHz. The male voice is from
> Colorado, the female voice is from Hawaii, in case you can hear
> both.
>
> I can also attest that you can do a LOT of shielding (whether water
> or metal or snow) and you can still get plenty of HF radio into your
> house via gaps in the shielding or walls where there is no snow.
>
> Garth
>
> On Dec 27, 2006, at 4:26 AM, denom wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info. I did an experiment last nite. My atomic
>> clock faces east and on the opposite side of the wall which faces
>> Colorado where the signal is supposed to come from I put a gallon
>> bottle of water. It didn't block the signal to the clock. It
>> would be interesting to know what it is about the snow storm, snow
>> shoe, that blocked the signal to the clock.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: snoshoe_2
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:08 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: Water as an emf block
>>
>>
>> I hope everyone's Christmas was better than mine this year! :) Was
>> sick but good.
>>
>> From a previous post, here you go:
>> "one of the few things that protects
>> against magnetic fields is water. If there's anyone building a
>> house, or even greenhouse (which this is used for), it might be
>> worth
>> looking into incorporating. It's called "Water Wall Bags". I found
>> it in a catalog, www.GrowersSupply.com I'd guess it could be gotten
>> cheaper elsewhere."
>>
>> ~ Snoshoe
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], "denom" <denom@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since you are aware of the effect of water as a emf protection
>> device you have probably thought about or looked for devices,
>> products and ways to use water as a shielding device. Are there any
>> products or strategies or methods that you have found to use
>> water as
>> a shield. I do not know enough to myself to contruct such a device
>> but was thinking maybe lots of aquariums and fish tanks as a
>> possibility.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Gruendg@...
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 6:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Water as an emf block
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In einer eMail vom 23.12.2006 02:02:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
>> schreibt
>>> denom@...:
>>>
>>> Recently we had a snow storm here. I have an atomic clock that
>> stopped
>>> working during the storm. It just stopped at 4:00. Then after the
>>> storm was over it began working right again. This tells me that
>> the
>>> storm was putting up enough interference that it was blocking the
>> signal
>>> from somewhere in Colorado which is where I think it comes from.
>> Also I
>>> notice when there are several inches of snow on the roof I feel
>> better.
>>> All the shielding I've put up I have not been able to stop the
>> clock
>>> from working yet. Somebody needs to invent a double pained window
>> that
>>> can contain water to block the emf's.
>>>
>>> This is really good news. What is needed i a layer of water about
>> 1 inch
>>> thick, to block that radiation, that causes the health problems.
>> Experimenting
>>> with elektroacupunkture I have found this. You can also see this
>> on trees
>>> especially in autumn near base stations. The leafes on the side
>> of the base
>>> station look different than those on the other side, even if they
>> get nearly the
>>> same sunshsine. This shows best on cherry trees. Measuring the
>> negative load
>>> via electroakupunkture you will also find the leafes on the side
>> of the base
>>> station much more negative than on the other side. A friend of
>> mine, who
>>> had between his house and the base station some apple trees
>> experienced in
>>> summer time less sleeping problems than in winter time, when
>> there were no leafes
>>> on the trees.
>>>
>>> But on the other hand, using the usual metallic shielding, only
>> the
>>> measurable radiation is diminished, the Tesla waves that are
>> responsible for the
>>> negative health effect, pass this kind of shielding; but very
>> strangely they are
>>> turned positive, measuring them with elekctroacupunkture. That is
>> the reason
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Re: Water as an emf block

It is good to talk to someone who knows things about this, unlike myself. I have shielding of some sort in every room in my house. But I am concentrating mostly on my living room for now since it is the room where I spend most of my time. I live in a mobile home that was very cheap which I fixed up on the inside. If I lived in a regular home I would not be experimenting so much with the shielding. I have layers of shielding which eventually I will cover with some 1/4 inch sheetrock to hide it. And I am placing insulation ceiling tiles on the ceiling to cover the shielding there. I have layers of different materials that I have tried. Some that block microwaves. Others are just very conductive and I use them to ground the whole thing. Chicken wire didn't do anything for me. I used to put it into the walls when I was replacing all the cheap material that originally was in the home. The smaller the holes in the wire the better. I use wire with 1/4 inch openings. I have been told that you should place another sheet of wire aquarter inch on top of the first wire and make sure the holes don't line up. What I did was place insulation between the wire. I found this to be very very helpful. Although the space between the wire is about 3/4 inch. I am open to testing any other shielding materials but the are mostly so expensive when looked for on line. I'm open to any suggestions if anybody else has any ideas for shielding materials.
----- Original Message -----
From: Garth Hitchens
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Water as an emf block

Water >can< shield EMF's, definitely, but it takes a LOT of it, and
saltwater is far more effective than normal water. Even with
saltwater, the effectiveness varies by frequency. Although a few
inches of water might stop microwaves (cell phones, etc), lower
frequencies in the HF and ELF range can easily penetrate it. In
the past, military submarine communications took place via ELF. In
fact, the frequency used for submarine communication during the cold
war was 76hz, which is very close to our 60hz power line frequency,
so obviously even a LOT of saltwater won't stop 60hz radiation, since
submarines could still receive 76hz even when submerged quite deeply.

The result is that I'm saying that yes, water/snow can block some
higher frequency RF to some degree, but the effect is not strong
enough to be useful for blocking EMF's for electrosensitivity. Even
sattelite TV dishes which use very high frequency waves are still
mostly functional in rain and snow storms.

Garth

On Dec 27, 2006, at 8:04 PM, denom wrote:

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