WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???

Hi Everyone

Lst night I came across this completely by accident - it is called
the Budwig diet - devised by Dr Johann Budwig, and is supposed to
cure cancer and many other chronic illnesses and if continued in a
maintenance dose is supposed to prevent cancer. I have had a quick
scan through the stuff on the link below and it certainly resonated
with me as an esens person and, although the diet seems to be quite
restricted, it could be worth doing if it brought benefits - what
does anyone else think??

http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Budwig.html

There is also a yahoo group for this

health.groups/yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2

I'd be interested in any thoughts members might have about this.

Best wishes

Steph

> although the diet seems to be quite restricted, it could
> be worth doing if it brought benefits - what does anyone
> else think??

Hmmm, it doesn't seem that restricted to me, but I guess
that must because my diet has been rather restricted since
I became ill. At first glance, the only unique thing
about this diet is the flax oil + cottage cheese mix,
which I thought sounded like it would taste disgusting,
but I just tried some and it seemed okay.

I've taken flax oil on and off for years -- mostly because
people claim it is good for you, not because I've actually
noticed any dramatic differences. I have NOT eaten
cottage cheese, however... not until just a moment ago,
that is... :-)

I have no idea if this would help with ES...

Marc

FYI -

Flax seed oil and cottage cheese together are supposed to be a great
cancer remedy.. Its called the Budwig something or other..
http://www.budwigvideos.com/?gclid=CLHv4eKknZgCFUUwpAodYQl9mQ

Havent researched it much..

Cheers
Pete

Marc Martin wrote:


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Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of it! I'm so impressed!!
 
I was thinking of giving the regime a go for a couple of months on thepremise that it might help overall health and then reducing it down to a maintenance dose which, according to the Budwig research, is supposed to prevent cancer, which I'd say anyone with ES is in a higher risk category for developing. If I thought I could fend that off by eating a flax seed and cottage cheese mix once a day I reckon its worth a go. I'm going to become a member of the yahoo group to look into it a but more and I'll report back if anyone else is interested or thinks that my theory has any merit.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 3:23 AM






> although the diet seems to be quite restricted, it could
> be worth doing if it brought benefits - what does anyone
> else think??

Hmmm, it doesn't seem that restricted to me, but I guess
that must because my diet has been rather restricted since
I became ill. At first glance, the only unique thing
about this diet is the flax oil + cottage cheese mix,
which I thought sounded like it would taste disgusting,
but I just tried some and it seemed okay.

I've taken flax oil on and off for years -- mostly because
people claim it is good for you, not because I've actually
noticed any dramatic differences. I have NOT eaten
cottage cheese, however... not until just a moment ago,
that is... :-)

I have no idea if this would help with ES...

Marc
 














     

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> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph


--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM






> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc
 














     

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Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM






Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc


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> I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break
> from it or you end up making yourself worse.

That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a
healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant
in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it.

Instead, I read things on the Internet like "if you take a
break, you'll end up worse than ever!". If that's the
case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone
is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether)
at some point.

The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that
it makes me feel more "oxygenated". And this has been
one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling
that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly
tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the
market, but they all cause their own adverse side
effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to
the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days...

Marc

I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy [and Marc]
 
Kathy you are right that something is happening at cellular level - from what I have read so far [and I need to read more - there is a yahoo group on this that I plan to sign up to] it is intended to improve the cell wall structure [I think] which Budwig maintains has been compromised by eating the wrong types of fats and oils.
 
It is designed to help a host of other conditions, not just cancer, and for those other conditions I think I read that they would respond fairly quickly so that you could run the treatment for 3 months and then switch down to a maintenance dose of one serving of the cottage cheese and flaxseed oil per day.
 
I imagine like any regimen that you would get very little benefit from stopping and starting all the time, hence the need for continuity once you start it, but I think I also read somethign about the fact that the cottage cheese and flax seed oil mix is designed to help bind to waste stuff which mayhave accumulated in cells to transport it away???. apparently flax seed oil on its own doesn't do this job properly and it needs the sulphur content of the cottage cheese for this purpose. I'm very fatigued as I write this so my memory isn't working very well so I can't stand over all of this and haven't had time to re-read it before writing this post, but I intend to research it a lot more before deciding whether to start on it and will post back anything more I find out about it because I am interested in what othershere think about it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 


--- On Mon, 26/1/09, spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 10:49 PM






I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
 














     

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Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre.com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered fromwww.prohealth.com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping chargesare expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost $5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sunday times would have recommended supplements from a UK company called Victoria Health, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM






Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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I know its like two step forwards one step back!!. I was doing really good untill about 4 days ago, when I carried my shopping in , and upset things again. The urine therapy has really helped. My periods have gone to 28 days for the first time in years so  i think its doing something with my liver. Thats the thing- you have to be so careful , even when you feel good, its so easy to upset everything again.
 
Any way thanks for the info on vitamins , let us know how you go
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 2:51 AM






Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost$5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sundaytimes would have recommended supplements from a UK company called VictoriaHealth, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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That's good - I will have to check that therapy out! if I could just overcome my squeamishness about doing it!!

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 4:03 PM






I know its like two step forwards one step back!!. I was doing really good untill about 4 days ago, when I carried my shopping in , and upset things again. The urine therapy has really helped. My periods have gone to 28 days for the first time in years so  i think its doing something with my liver. Thats the thing- you have to be so careful , even when you feel good, its so easy to upset everything again.
 
Any way thanks for the info on vitamins , let us know how you go
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 2:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost$5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sundaytimes would have recommended supplements from a UK company called VictoriaHealth, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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believe me , there comes a point that drinking a couple of drops of pee peein the morning is nothing compared to the spectre of long term illness. Ill try anything ! - any how tastes GOOD !! after a while - lol!!
 
Ada

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--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 3:14 AM






That's good - I will have to check that therapy out! if I could just overcome my squeamishness about doing it!!

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 4:03 PM

I know its like two step forwards one step back!!. I was doing really good untill about 4 days ago, when I carried my shopping in , and upset things again. The urine therapy has really helped. My periods have gone to 28 days for the first time in years so  i think its doing something with my liver. Thats the thing- you have to be so careful , even when you feel good, its so easy to upset everything again.
 
Any way thanks for the info on vitamins , let us know how you go
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 2:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost$5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sundaytimes would have recommended supplements from a UK company called VictoriaHealth, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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Hi, Kathy and All,
 
Maybe it is leaching toxins from all over your body and if you quit the toxins make you very ill???  Just a thought.  And of course if some of these "toxins" were cancer cells, that might not be a very good idea. 
 
My guess,
Diane

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM






I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

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Hi, Steph,
 
OIC!  The cottage cheese keeps the liver detox sulphonization pathway working so that the liver can detoxify what the flax oil leaches out!  That makes sense.  Yes, all the oils make good binders for toxins. 
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:40 AM






Hi Kathy [and Marc]
 
Kathy you are right that something is happening at cellular level - from what I have read so far [and I need to read more - there is a yahoo group on this that I plan to sign up to] it is intended to improve the cell wall structure [I think] which Budwig maintains has been compromised by eating the wrong types of fats and oils.
 
It is designed to help a host of other conditions, not just cancer, andfor those other conditions I think I read that they would respond fairly quickly so that you could run the treatment for 3 months and then switch down to a maintenance dose of one serving of the cottage cheese and flax seed oil per day.
 
I imagine like any regimen that you would get very little benefit from stopping and starting all the time, hence the need for continuity once you start it, but I think I also read somethign about the fact that the cottage cheese and flax seed oil mix is designed to help bind to waste stuff which mayhave accumulated in cells to transport it away???. apparently flax seed oil on its own doesn't do this job properly and it needs the sulphur content of the cottage cheese for this purpose. I'm very fatigued as I write this so my memory isn't working very well so I can't stand over all of this and haven't had time to re-read it before writing this post, but I intend to research it a lot more before deciding whether to start on it and will post back anything more I find out about it because I am interested in what othershere think about it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@juno. com> wrote:

From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@juno. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 10:49 PM

I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
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Hi again, Steph,
 
I have used Jarrow and Prohealth in the past.  Liked both, but had problems with Prohealth after I was dxed with celiac because they would sometimestell me their products were gf, but I reacted to them (like they were not).  Other than that, tho, both companies had good quality supplements.  There was a liquid free amino complex that I used from Prohealth for awhilethat was awesome--it really helped me alot at the time.  Prohealth was founded by a person with CFS (ME) and they cater mostly to that community.  You could get good discounts if you had CFS/ME back when I ordered there (you had to have membership in one of the CFS newsletters/journals).
 
Hope you are soon feeling better,
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:51 AM






Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost $5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sunday times would have recommended supplements from a UK company called Victoria Health, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , otherthan HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger so that I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting it until after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait by mybedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just see what they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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Hi, Ada,
 
I think I just sent an email asking you about this (but I saved an email as a draft so not sure if I sent it yet.  I had wondered if you were drinking the urine or putting it on your wrist--here my doc mentioned putting a few drops on your wrist to stop a bad reaction to emfs.  I personallyhaven't gone there yet, but it sounded better than drinking urine to me.  lol  ;)  Anyway, you answered my questions--I am way behind in my mail.
 
Diane

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From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:39 AM






believe me , there comes a point that drinking a couple of drops of pee peein the morning is nothing compared to the spectre of long term illness. Ill try anything ! - any how tastes GOOD !! after a while - lol!!
 
Ada

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--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 3:14 AM

That's good - I will have to check that therapy out! if I could just overcome my squeamishness about doing it!!

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 4:03 PM

I know its like two step forwards one step back!!. I was doing really good untill about 4 days ago, when I carried my shopping in , and upset things again. The urine therapy has really helped. My periods have gone to 28 days for the first time in years so  i think its doing something with my liver. Thats the thing- you have to be so careful , even when you feel good, its so easy to upset everything again.
 
Any way thanks for the info on vitamins , let us know how you go
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 2:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost $5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sunday times would have recommended supplements from a UK company called Victoria Health, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , otherthan HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger so that I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting it until after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait by mybedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just see what they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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Thanks Diane
 
I think I spoke too soon about feeling better. I cannot for the life of me work out why but whether it was the very windy weather or something my symptoms all flared up last week and stayed up so I am in the same boat as you,desperately trying to stay away from all things electronic. There is only so much time you can spend reading a newspaper isn't there?!!! Hope that the electronic purdah is helping you at least. And you are lucky in that you have someone medical who recognises and acknowledges your condition. I was almost going out of my mind at the weekend trying to work out what had caused the flare up and unable to talk to anyone about it.
 
Take care
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:42 PM






Hi again, Steph,
 
I have used Jarrow and Prohealth in the past.  Liked both, but had problems with Prohealth after I was dxed with celiac because they would sometimes tell me their products were gf, but I reacted to them (like they were not).  Other than that, tho, both companies had good quality supplements.  There was a liquid free amino complex that I used from Prohealth for awhile that was awesome--it really helped me alot at the time.  Prohealth was founded by a person with CFS (ME) and they cater mostly to that community.  You could get good discounts if you had CFS/ME back when Iordered there (you had to have membership in one of the CFS newsletters/ journals) .
 
Hope you are soon feeling better,
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost$5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sundaytimes would have recommended supplements from a UK company called VictoriaHealth, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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So Diane do you reckon it could be worth a go? I'd be interested to hear any further thoughts you have because you seem to be very well versed in detoxification etc.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
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Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:20 PM






Hi, Kathy and All,
 
Maybe it is leaching toxins from all over your body and if you quit the toxins make you very ill???  Just a thought.  And of course if some of these "toxins" were cancer cells, that might not be a very good idea. 
 
My guess,
Diane

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From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@juno. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM

I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

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