WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???

In a message dated 2/5/2009 4:13:59 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
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there?!!! Hope that the electronic purdah is helping you at least. And you
are lucky in that you have someone medical who recognises and acknowledges
your condition. I was almost going out of my mind at the weekend trying to work
out what had caused the flare up and unable to talk to anyone about it.

Take care

Steph


Puk replies - if you are in the uk the recent snowy
wether/drizzle/reflection from snow will have an impact on most things wireless with heavy low cloud
cover, changes in ion profiles and so on causes devices like mobiles, masts
and the like to raise power levels dus to the change in propogation of waves,
we get that bit more cooked on these days so that could explain partly but
also mobile useage, pc, tvs general comfort electronics will increase and peak
in use so that to a problem!


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Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry my reply was so long coming.  The detoxing I have been doing has been causing great problems with being on my computer and around other emfs lately. 
 
As to the Budwig diet....  yes, it sounds like it would be worth trying!  It may only target particular toxins, tho.  (You wouldn't know this till you tried it.)  From the info I have read here, it sounds like it is working to solve some issues with liver detox pathways (sulphur from cottage cheese), while leaching toxins from fat tissue (and possibly elsewhere) with the flax oil.  It is always important to use fats as carriers to get the toxins out of the body--toxins are attracted to fats, and it is only inthe absence of fat that they accummulate in the organs.  (Of course, if you eat too much fat, then your body will just accummulate that fat on you with the toxins in it--so there is a fine line aspect to it, as well.  This is one of the reasons why exercise is usually an important part of detoxing--and also the lymphatic system has nothing to keep it moving save formuscle movement.) 
 
It is also especially important not to detox too much too quickly, as the body cannot handle this and can only get so much out via the skin, bowels,urine, and lungs at a time.  I know this all too personally from going to a homeopath who gave me a remedy to detox my bone marrow recently. I took only one drop of the remedy under my tongue, but it unleashed a boat-load of mercury and other toxins which my body has been working to get rid of for the past 3 weeks!  So, while homeopathy may be a way to detox, it can have it's downsides apparently, also.  This was my first try at homeopathy so I was unprepared for the outcome.  If I had known what to expect ahead of time, I would have prepared myself much more--eaten a special diet for a month or more, taken targeted nutrients to get my body in the best shape possible, upped my anti-oxidants.....  There are alot of things you can do to help the body detox, esp thru the skin--sea salts orepsom
salts baths, jumping on a mini tramp, sweating out in any way (exercise orjust a hot environment...) and then washing off sweat well in a shower.  It is also important to increase and optimize the bowel and kidney function. 
 
All this said, it is still not easy to achieve in the real world.  This is why clinics like Dr. Rae's in Dallas, Tx, exist.  There they measure everything going in and it goes in at the correct ratios, and then they have you perform the correct amount of exercise to get the right out-put, and meanwhile they address the skin, lung, bowel, and kidney function systematically.  A great way to go if you have the money!  :)  For us poor shmucks, we have to make do the best we can.  ;) 
 
You have to know when to cut back, too, Steph--if the Budwig diet (or any method!) starts causing too much detoxing, you do immediately have to cut itback.  (This was the drawback to the homeopathic remedy--I only took it once and no way to cut back there!)  You get no gold stars for just having toxins mobilized 24/7.  If the toxins can't get out, they can't get out.  Your body can only do so much.  This said, sometimes people have a 3 or 4 hour reaction and immediately want to quit detoxing.  This might happen and is not such a bad thing as long as it totally passes.  What you want to avoid is an ongoing bad reaction (like I got to the homeopathic bone marrow) that sticks around for days and weeks. 
 
Hope you are feeling well, Steph,
Diane
 


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:14 AM






So Diane do you reckon it could be worth a go? I'd be interested to hear any further thoughts you have because you seem to be very well versed in detoxification etc.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:20 PM

Hi, Kathy and All,
 
Maybe it is leaching toxins from all over your body and if you quit the toxins make you very ill???  Just a thought.  And of course if some of these "toxins" were cancer cells, that might not be a very good idea. 
 
My guess,
Diane

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From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@ juno. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM

I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

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Hi again, Steph,
 
Maybe you over detoxed and it took you awhile to recover???  Just guessing--that was my problem.  I do notice that weather plays into the equation, too.  Anything which stresses does.  This is the nature of the lymphatic system--it carries wastes, but also stress hormones, hormones doing their jobs, immune mediators....  This is why the best time to detox is when you are well and not overstressed in any way.  (Not that we are everwell and not stressed!  lol  It is a relative concept.)  Hope you are feeling better, dear.  (I am beginning to, tho I am still having the hot, raging hormone thing going on--hot flashes, for lack of a better term,with sweats--been having this the past couple weeks off and on.)  
 
My best to you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:12 AM






Thanks Diane
 
I think I spoke too soon about feeling better. I cannot for the life of me work out why but whether it was the very windy weather or something my symptoms all flared up last week and stayed up so I am in the same boat as you,desperately trying to stay away from all things electronic. There is only so much time you can spend reading a newspaper isn't there?!!! Hope that the electronic purdah is helping you at least. And you are lucky in that you have someone medical who recognises and acknowledges your condition. I was almost going out of my mind at the weekend trying to work out what had caused the flare up and unable to talk to anyone about it.
 
Take care
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:42 PM

Hi again, Steph,
 
I have used Jarrow and Prohealth in the past.  Liked both, but had problems with Prohealth after I was dxed with celiac because they would sometimestell me their products were gf, but I reacted to them (like they were not).  Other than that, tho, both companies had good quality supplements.  There was a liquid free amino complex that I used from Prohealth for awhilethat was awesome--it really helped me alot at the time.  Prohealth was founded by a person with CFS (ME) and they cater mostly to that community.  You could get good discounts if you had CFS/ME back when I ordered there (you had to have membership in one of the CFS newsletters/ journals) .
 
Hope you are soon feeling better,
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost $5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sunday times would have recommended supplements from a UK company called Victoria Health, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , otherthan HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger so that I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting it until after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait by mybedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just see what they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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In a message dated 2/14/2009 1:00:37 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
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I think I spoke too soon about feeling better. I cannot for the life of me
work out why but whether it was the very windy weather or something my
symptoms all flared up last week and stayed up so I am in the same boat as you,
desperately trying to stay away from all things electronic.


PUK replies -
Dont suppose you are near a wind farm, if so look up Infra sound !


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Hi Diane
 
Sorry for not responding sooner but I have been trying to stay off the computer as much as possible and have a lot of posts to catch up on - you know how it is!
 
Will post in more detail in a few days [hopefully!]
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 3:33 PM






Hi again, Steph,
 
Maybe you over detoxed and it took you awhile to recover???  Just guessing--that was my problem.  I do notice that weather plays into the equation, too.  Anything which stresses does.  This is the nature of the lymphatic system--it carries wastes, but also stress hormones, hormones doing their jobs, immune mediators... .  This is why the best time to detox is when you are well and not overstressed in any way.  (Not that we are ever well and not stressed!  lol  It is a relative concept.)  Hope you are feeling better, dear.  (I am beginning to, tho I am still having the hot, raging hormone thing going on--hot flashes, for lack of a better term, with sweats--been having this thepast couple weeks off and on.)  
 
My best to you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:12 AM

Thanks Diane
 
I think I spoke too soon about feeling better. I cannot for the life of me work out why but whether it was the very windy weather or something my symptoms all flared up last week and stayed up so I am in the same boat as you,desperately trying to stay away from all things electronic. There is only so much time you can spend reading a newspaper isn't there?!!! Hope that the electronic purdah is helping you at least. And you are lucky in that you have someone medical who recognises and acknowledges your condition. I was almost going out of my mind at the weekend trying to work out what had caused the flare up and unable to talk to anyone about it.
 
Take care
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:42 PM

Hi again, Steph,
 
I have used Jarrow and Prohealth in the past.  Liked both, but had problems with Prohealth after I was dxed with celiac because they would sometimes tell me their products were gf, but I reacted to them (like they were not).  Other than that, tho, both companies had good quality supplements.  There was a liquid free amino complex that I used from Prohealth for awhile that was awesome--it really helped me alot at the time.  Prohealth was founded by a person with CFS (ME) and they cater mostly to that community.  You could get good discounts if you had CFS/ME back when Iordered there (you had to have membership in one of the CFS newsletters/ journals) .
 
Hope you are soon feeling better,
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost$5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sundaytimes would have recommended supplements from a UK company called VictoriaHealth, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , other than HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger sothat I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting ituntil after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait bymy bedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just seewhat they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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No problem, Steph.  Yes, I do know how that is!  ;)  Take all the time you need to recover, dear.  Diane

--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 9:22 AM






Hi Diane
 
Sorry for not responding sooner but I have been trying to stay off the computer as much as possible and have a lot of posts to catch up on - you know how it is!
 
Will post in more detail in a few days [hopefully!]
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 3:33 PM

Hi again, Steph,
 
Maybe you over detoxed and it took you awhile to recover???  Just guessing--that was my problem.  I do notice that weather plays into the equation, too.  Anything which stresses does.  This is the nature of the lymphatic system--it carries wastes, but also stress hormones, hormones doing their jobs, immune mediators... .  This is why the best time to detox iswhen you are well and not overstressed in any way.  (Not that we are ever well and not stressed!  lol  It is a relative concept.)  Hope you are feeling better, dear.  (I am beginning to, tho I am still having the hot, raging hormone thing going on--hot flashes, for lack of a better term, with sweats--been having this the past couple weeks off and on.)  
 
My best to you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:12 AM

Thanks Diane
 
I think I spoke too soon about feeling better. I cannot for the life of me work out why but whether it was the very windy weather or something my symptoms all flared up last week and stayed up so I am in the same boat as you,desperately trying to stay away from all things electronic. There is only so much time you can spend reading a newspaper isn't there?!!! Hope that the electronic purdah is helping you at least. And you are lucky in that you have someone medical who recognises and acknowledges your condition. I was almost going out of my mind at the weekend trying to work out what had caused the flare up and unable to talk to anyone about it.
 
Take care
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:42 PM

Hi again, Steph,
 
I have used Jarrow and Prohealth in the past.  Liked both, but had problems with Prohealth after I was dxed with celiac because they would sometimestell me their products were gf, but I reacted to them (like they were not).  Other than that, tho, both companies had good quality supplements.  There was a liquid free amino complex that I used from Prohealth for awhilethat was awesome--it really helped me alot at the time.  Prohealth was founded by a person with CFS (ME) and they cater mostly to that community.  You could get good discounts if you had CFS/ME back when I ordered there (you had to have membership in one of the CFS newsletters/ journals) .
 
Hope you are soon feeling better,
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:51 AM

Hi Ada
 
I spoke too soon!!! Have had a very bad 24 hours with fatigue and headache,but I am hoping that will pass.
 
Good to hear from you - how are things going with you? Any improvements?
 
On the supplement front, I previously would have used a lot of Solgar products because they were supposed to be fairly high quality from most of what I have read, and I'd have bought them from an independent health food shop close to me. Recently however I have been going online to buy certain supplements - I have bought some from www.zipvit.com
which is good on price and service, although I have no way of knowing how good they would be on quality. I have also been trying to get personal recommendations from others of products they have tried, for example, I recentlyordered Vitamin B12 from www.nutricentre. com - these were the Jarrow product of Methylcobalamin vitamin B 12 and also Vitamin D3 which I ordered from www.prohealth. com - Prohealthis a US company and the shipping charges are expen sive to ship to the UK. For example, the product I bought cost $5.49, and the shipping charges cost $10.99. A health column in the Sunday times would have recommended supplements from a UK company called Victoria Health, but I have not so far even looked at their products so don't know much about them.
 
I hope this is of some help.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
PS I'll post you when I get a date for my surgery - they gave me a date butI couldn't take it because I had the flu so i don't know when I will go back into the theatre lists.
 
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 26/1/09, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:

From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:23 PM

Hi Steph , been wondering how you were going ?.. good to hear things are onthe up. let us know when your surgery is, and ill keep you in mind on thatday  :- ) Also if you have found a good place to get suppliments , otherthan HOlland and Barrets , I would really liek to hear about it.
 
Any way stay well
 
regards
 
Ada

When you are down to nothing ... God is up to something!

"Although my Soul shall set in Darkness, I will raise in Perfect Light, I have Loved the Stars to Fondly to be Fearful of the Night."

unknown

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 3:17 AM

Hi Marc
 
Just trying it was good enough for me!  I will definitely be giving this a go - as I said before I don't expect it to necessarily "cure" my ES, but it could be one more tool in the armoury of making my system stronger so that I don't feel its effects so much. I will have to postpone starting it until after I have had my surgery and got better from that because I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break from it or you end up making yourself worse. And I can't see the hospital letting me ait by mybedside with a blender and cottage cheese and flax oil - I can just see what they'd be adding to my patient notes :-) !!
When I get as far as I think I can with it I will post on the group to let people know what I think of it. Two things I have done recently which have definitely helped me was just before Christmas I started taking Vitamin B12supplements and in the New Year I added in Vitamin D3 supplements - not a very scientific way to do it I know because I can't tell which of them is doing me the most good, but they have definitely produced an improvement. I don't "feel" the electricity so much, and am in less pain and feel less vibrations. I'm in a semi rural location at the minute [which is probably alsohelping] and haven't yet road tested this in an urban environment so I will need to see how that goes.  I did try a big shopping centre, but unfortunately had the ususal problems with the lighting  but staying out of those places is no hardship to me.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 20/1/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] WOULD THIS HELP PEOPLE WITH ESENS???
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:10 PM

> Marc I can't believe that you went one further than going to the link and
> reading the stuff but that you actually made the mix and tried some of
> it! I'm so impressed!!

It'd be more impressive if I had bought a hand blender to mix it with... :-)

Let us know how you react to this mixture -- I seemed a bit more energetic
after trying 1 TBSP flax + 2 TBSP cottage cheese.

Marc

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I have Dr. Budwig's book. Very interesting. However, the cottage cheese
that Dr. Budwig was using is not the same as what's in American grocery
stores. Ours is made from milk that contains BGH, pesticides and antibiotics and
is pasteurized and homogenized. An antinutrient. See "Real Milk" at
www.westonaprice.org/.

Our flax oil is often a bit rancid, too. It oxidizes very quickly.
Better to grind flax seeds fresh for yourself.

If you can digest lactose and can get organic raw milk, you can make your own
cottage cheese, then grind some flax to eat with it.

Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com












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Hi Diane
 
Thank you so much for this kind and informative post - I will hold on to itand read it again when I am getting ready to start the Budwig diet which Iam determined to have a go at. I haven't started it yet because I have to have a small surgery under general anaesthetic which I will be having next Friday (I'm dreading it because I don't know how the GA will affect me and what shape I will be in afterwards!) any thoughts or prayers for me at thattime would be appreciated so much!! I reckoned the best thing to do would be to try to see how I come out of that and then if I'm ok try to gear up towards the Budwig regime. I couldn't begin to contemplate it at the moment as my system seems to be so weak and even the smallest amount of exercise taxes me so much which is a worry. But all being well I will work up to it after the surgery. I'm sorry you had such a bad reaction to the homeopathy -I wonder if that is because of the ES? or maybe what you were being
given would provoke a bad reaction in anyone. I tried it once many years ago and sorely regretted it - not only did I not derive any benefit from it but it made me feel like an old woman of 80 years of age - terrible fatigue and joint pain, and I really did persevere with it in the hope that it would help, but eventually I couldn't cope with it any more and stopped taking it. I hope that the ill effects you have had from it will ease off soon Diane.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 


--- On Fri, 13/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 3:15 PM






Hi, Steph,
 
Sorry my reply was so long coming.  The detoxing I have been doing hasbeen causing great problems with being on my computer and around other emfs lately. 
 
As to the Budwig diet....  yes, it sounds like it would be worth trying!  It may only target particular toxins, tho.  (You wouldn't know this till you tried it.)  From the info I have read here, it sounds like it is working to solve some issues with liver detox pathways (sulphur from cottage cheese), while leaching toxins from fat tissue (and possibly elsewhere) with the flax oil.  It is always important to use fats as carriers to get the toxins out of the body--toxins are attracted to fats, andit is only in the absence of fat that they accummulate in the organs.  (Of course, if you eat too much fat, then your body will just accummulate that fat on you with the toxins in it--so there is a fine line aspect toit, as well.  This is one of the reasons why exercise is usually an important part of detoxing--and also the lymphatic system has nothing to keep it moving save for muscle movement.) 
 
It is also especially important not to detox too much too quickly, as the body cannot handle this and can only get so much out via the skin, bowels, urine, and lungs at a time.  I know this all too personally from going to a homeopath who gave me a remedy to detox my bone marrow recently.  I took only one drop of the remedy under my tongue, but it unleashed a boat-load of mercury and other toxins which my body has been working to get rid of for the past 3 weeks!  So, while homeopathy may be a way to detox, it can have it's downsides apparently, also.  This was my first try at homeopathy so I was unprepared for the outcome.  If I had known what to expect ahead of time, I would have prepared myself much more--eaten a special diet for a month or more, taken targeted nutrients to get my body in the best shape possible, upped my anti-oxidants. ....  There are alot of things you can do to help thebody detox, esp thru the skin--sea salts or epsom
salts baths, jumping on a mini tramp, sweating out in any way (exercise or just a hot environment. ..) and then washing off sweat well in a shower.  It is also important to increase and optimize the bowel and kidneyfunction. 
 
All this said, it is still not easy to achieve in the real world.  This is why clinics like Dr. Rae's in Dallas, Tx, exist.  There they measure everything going in and it goes in at the correct ratios, and then theyhave you perform the correct amount of exercise to get the right out-put, and meanwhile they address the skin, lung, bowel, and kidney function systematically.  A great way to go if you have the money!  :)  For us poor shmucks, we have to make do the best we can.  ;) 
 
You have to know when to cut back, too, Steph--if the Budwig diet (or any method!) starts causing too much detoxing, you do immediately have to cut itback.  (This was the drawback to the homeopathic remedy--I only took it once and no way to cut back there!)  You get no gold stars for justhaving toxins mobilized 24/7.  If the toxins can't get out, they can't get out.  Your body can only do so much.  This said, sometimes people have a 3 or 4 hour reaction and immediately wantto quit detoxing.  This might happen and is not such a bad thing as long as it totally passes.  What you want to avoid is an ongoing bad reaction (like I got to the homeopathic bone marrow) that sticks around for days and weeks. 
 
Hope you are feeling well, Steph,
Diane
 

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:14 AM

So Diane do you reckon it could be worth a go? I'd be interested to hear any further thoughts you have because you seem to be very well versed in detoxification etc.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 27/1/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009, 9:20 PM

Hi, Kathy and All,
 
Maybe it is leaching toxins from all over your body and if you quit the toxins make you very ill???  Just a thought.  And of course if some of these "toxins" were cancer cells, that might not be a very good idea. 
 
My guess,
Diane

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From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@ juno. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Budwig diet
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM

I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be
happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health
when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do
the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage
cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount
for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect
something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing
of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose
their life.

Kathy

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Wind / jetstream does have an emf of it's own. An east wind in
particular is known for making people, even normally healthy feel ill,
with it's increased amount of postivie ions.

~ Snoshoe

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>
>  
> In a message dated 2/14/2009 1:00:37 P.M. GMT Standard Time,  
> evie15422@... writes:
>
> I think I spoke too soon about feeling better. I cannot for the life
of me
> work out why but whether it was the very windy weather or something
my
> symptoms all flared up last week and stayed up so I am in the same
boat as you,
> desperately trying to stay away from all things electronic.
>
>
> PUK replies -
> Dont suppose you are near a wind farm, if so look up Infra sound !
>

Hi again,
 
I forgot a book I wanted to share....
 
"Energy Medicine: Balancing Your Body's  Energies for Optimal Health, Joy, and Vitality"
by Donna Eden
 
There is an entire chapter about emfs and how to counteract them with energy exercises (Chapter 11:"Swimming in Electromagnetic Currents: Making the Best of an Ecosystem in Distress").  I have not used these techniques yet--some call for a partner and hubby doesn't want to go there.  lol  I amnot finished with the initial read yet, but I will be doing the exercises I can do alone.  The energy exercises I sent earlier are mentioned in this book, as well.
 
Diane


     

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