Vehicle Engine

My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would probably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar

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Hi Jennie,
I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if
at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and
that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of
cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may
be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other
mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem
unimportant compared with other factors. How your body "feels" in the car
compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide.
Hopefully a good long test drive should show you.
Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38
To: EMS
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine




My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even
sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black
cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a
2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used
the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the
engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the
Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask
- would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be
an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any
would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have
the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said
something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.
I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would
probably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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> would a larger engine produce more
> electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue?

I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard
(LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks?), and inside
the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?)

Marc

I had assumed that the EMS issues I have had in my vehicle in the past were related to being near the engine - when I moved farther back in the vehicle I felt better. But if I understand you correctly it has more to do with the items you listed than the actual engine itself? The expedition I am looking at has about the same type of electronics as my current Explorer. A lot less than the 2010 I was looking at. I have already decided what ever vehicle I get I'm keeping it until they have to tow it to the junk yard.

Thanks for your info,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar






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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:09:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vehicle Engine


> would a larger engine produce more
> electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue?

I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard
(LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks? ), and inside
the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?)

Marc



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Thanks Ian,

See the post I sent to Marc. It looks like you both are saying the same thing about the engine. As you said I know what my body feels and I know if just feels better the farther away I get from the front of the vehicle.

Thanks again,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar




________________________________
From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:19:26 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vehicle Engine


Hi Jennie,
I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if
at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and
that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of
cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may
be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other
mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem
unimportant compared with other factors. How your body "feels" in the car
compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide.
Hopefully a good long test drive should show you.
Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38
To: EMS
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even
sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black
cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a
2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used
the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the
engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the
Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask
- would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be
an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any
would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have
the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said
something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.
I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would
probably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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In a message dated 13/10/2009 02:55:19 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be
an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if
any
would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have



Best way is to rent a car, then buy it if you like it ?


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Hi,

Jennie Wassenaar wrote:
> I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar).
The unshielded cord emits an electric field from the 50 or 60 Hz
Alternating Current when plugged in.

Stewart

Marc Martin wrote:
>> would a larger engine produce more
>> electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue?
>>
>
> I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard
> (LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks?), and inside
> the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?)
>

Also, if the vehicle has Heated seats, those coils would be an unwanted
addition.

Nobody mentioned the alternator. In a 1990 Dodge 4wd diesel truck dad
got last year, I was disappointed to find the fuse box was under the
steering column, closer to the driver, rather than on the firewall. I
added a new cable from alternator to battery so it did not go all the
way around through the firewall side of the engine, and when I
disconnected the alternator and started the engine, I found the magnetic
field I was trying to reduce went away.

Same principle as replacing components in a computer and finding
different emissions, now I'll desire to replace the alternator until I
find a better built model.

Stewart

I would not be surprised if the Expedition has a bigger alternator than
the explorer, but not much bigger. The bigger vehicle may mean more
space between you and the engine etc (or not).

It seems like someone should try putting ferrites on their car wiring. I
actually have some but can't say I noticed a difference (it's a diesel etc).
If you find wiring near the driver that buzzes with the am radio, then
ferrites upstream might take the edge off (but unplugging will be much
better if the car still works right).


On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:18 AM, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Jennie, It's not only the seats it's all the plastics that will be toxic for years. I bought a 2001 van. It has leather seats in it that are still a little bothersome even after these many years.
Just be careful. I wouldn't buy anything that wasn't at least 5 years old. That's me. Loni

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine
To: "EMS" <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 3:38 PM


 



My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with blackcloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore(I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need tomake a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and wouldprobably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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The air conditioning puts out EMF also. I had severe nerve pain in my jaw last summer & didn't figure it out till this year that it was the a/c in my vehicle blowing on my face. So this year I pointed the a/c down & I had no pain this year. Who would have thought? Crazy! Loni

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vehicle Engine
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:52 PM


 



I had assumed that the EMS issues I have had in my vehicle in the past wererelated to being near the engine - when I moved farther back in the vehicle I felt better. But if I understand you correctly it has more to do with the items you listed than the actual engine itself? The expedition I am looking at has about the same type of electronics as my current Explorer. A lotless than the 2010 I was looking at. I have already decided what ever vehicle I get I'm keeping it until they have to tow it to the junk yard.

Thanks for your info,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:09:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

> would a larger engine produce more
> electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue?

I'd be more concerned about the electronics in the dashboard
(LCD display?), in the doors (power windows/locks? ), and inside
the seat you are sitting on (airbags and sensors?)

Marc

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Hi, Jennie,
 
We have looked recently at vehicles too, since my car bit the dust (16 yo Mercury Sable) and my husband's wagon is 10 yo and needing repairs everytimewe turn around.  Some vehicles we tried drove me nuts everytime my husband turned a digital control--temp control, radio, windows up and down....  I found I reacted to any vehicle with satellite radio.  Some trucks made my feet and legs hurt (don't know the issue there)....  And some vehicles bothered me from the time the engine was turned on.  This is noteven taking MCS into account, as we drove everything with the windows down.  lol  We are looking for a truck, but think buying a 2007, before they put electronic everything on them might be our best bet. 
 
Good luck; let us know how it goes,
Diane

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine
To: "EMS" <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:38 PM


 



My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with blackcloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a 2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the Explore(I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask - would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it. I need tomake a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and wouldprobably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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Hi again, Jennie,
 
One thing which might help you is now with the economic crisis (if you are in the States, at least), car dealerships go out of their way to make deals.  I know this might not be the same with a lease, but maybe they will deal with you, too.  The dealerships we tried (3 different ones) allowed usto "borrow" the vehicle we were trying out for an entire weekend to test drive!  I rarely needed more than a half hour drive to try them (and find they didn't work for me), but for a vehicle I was truly thinking of buying, I would want to try it that long.  The car I liked the best was a 2007 Toyota Avalon. 
 
Diane

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From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vehicle Engine
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 7:19 PM


 



Hi Jennie,
I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if
at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and
that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of
cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may
be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other
mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem
unimportant compared with other factors. How your body "feels" in the car
compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide.
Hopefully a good long test drive should show you.
Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38
To: EMS
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even
sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black
cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a
2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used
the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the
engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the
Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask
- would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be
an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any
would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have
the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said
something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.
I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would
probably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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Hi Jennie,
Yes, Sue felt the same, she had to sit in the back of the car for a couple
of years while I drove her around as a chauffeur. But we became pretty
certain it was the electronics in the dashboard that were having the biggest
effect (and also the front speakers) rather than the engine itself. Either
way, moving back helped!

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 13 October 2009 02:55
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vehicle Engine




Thanks Ian,

See the post I sent to Marc. It looks like you both are saying the same
thing about the engine. As you said I know what my body feels and I know if
just feels better the farther away I get from the front of the vehicle.

Thanks again,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

________________________________
From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:19:26 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

Hi Jennie,
I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if
at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and
that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of
cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may
be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other
mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem
unimportant compared with other factors. How your body "feels" in the car
compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide.
Hopefully a good long test drive should show you.
Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38
To: EMS
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even
sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black
cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a
2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used
the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the
engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the
Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask
- would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be
an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any
would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have
the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said
something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.
I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would
probably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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Jennie, one further thought. Sue had her own small modern car which gave her
severe problems. We got her an old car without central locking and modern
electronics. This actually had a slightly bigger engine but Sue was able to
sit in the front and drive it without any trouble, which she couldn't do in
her car at the same distance from the engine. Hence our conclusion that the
engine's a minor factor and size doesn't make a big difference.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 13 October 2009 21:47
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vehicle Engine




Hi Jennie,
Yes, Sue felt the same, she had to sit in the back of the car for a couple
of years while I drove her around as a chauffeur. But we became pretty
certain it was the electronics in the dashboard that were having the biggest
effect (and also the front speakers) rather than the engine itself. Either
way, moving back helped!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 13 October 2009 02:55
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

Thanks Ian,

See the post I sent to Marc. It looks like you both are saying the same
thing about the engine. As you said I know what my body feels and I know if
just feels better the farther away I get from the front of the vehicle.

Thanks again,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

________________________________
From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:19:26 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

Hi Jennie,
I'd suggest that actual engine size should not be a significant problem, if
at all. The ignition system just needs to produce a reasonable spark and
that should be hardly any different for small or large cars. Number of
cylinders (8, 6 or 4) might have a small effect. Diesel, if available, may
be better than petrol - no ignition system. However as mentioned in my other
mail, we found that for Sue the engine type/size and ignition system seem
unimportant compared with other factors. How your body "feels" in the car
compared to other ones, or your current car, may be your best guide.
Hopefully a good long test drive should show you.
Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Jennie Wassenaar
Sent: 12 October 2009 23:38
To: EMS
Subject: [eSens] Vehicle Engine

My new vehicle saga continues. I went to the dealership and could not even
sit in the Explorer with black leather seats. I took an Explorer with black
cloth seats for a test drive but couldn't make it 5 minutes. They have a
2009 Expedition that would be great for my business and because it is used
the "new car" smell has off gassed. Now the only concern I have is the
engine size. The Expedition I am looking at has a larger engine than the
Explore (I don't know the specifics). It seems to reason but I wanted to ask
- would a larger engine produce more electromagnetic energy? Could this be
an issue? My husband thinks it's a silly question and the difference if any
would not be of concern. I had to remind him that I not only have to have
the bed lamp turned off but unplugged (it's funny but Jodie just said
something similar). Anyway if anyone has any insight I would appreciate it.
I need to make a decision. I know probably the best solution
would be for me to buy out my current lease but it's a long story and would
probably be my last option,

Thanks for your help,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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Use an AM radio to measure the relative strength of
EMF produced by the ignition. You'll hear popping sounds.
Open the hood and use a tape measure the find the distance
where the popping just becomes faint.

A four cylinder will have 1/2 the ignition sparks per
revolution, but the smaller engine will rev more than
say an 8 cylinder, but probably not twice as much. So
overall a smaller engine may produce less EMF.

You can also use an AM radio to sniff for nearby computers.

I'd also find a vehicle where the fuse panel and battery are
on the passenger side.

If your looking at an older vehicle then find one where the
coil and distributor are at the front of the engine. '93
Lexus LS400. The 2005 Caddy SRX is a good choice.

Eli

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