Utility company has responded

We Energies has responded already to my letter and my MD's letter. 

They acknowledge having received both our letters, but do not respond to
anything whatsoever that we said.  My doctor had written about health effects,
citing several known biological effects and giving sources for thousands of
research studies. I had written about how the statutes they quoted in a
previous letter do not in fact give them a legal right to turn off our power if
we won't accept an RF-broadcasting meter.  (My lawyer concurred with me.)

They say:
"The electric and natural gas RMR equipment we use is safe...."   and that
"We Energies and the broader scientific commnity believe that the AMR
equupment we are installing poses no adverse health effects."

     They say we have only the following three options:
     1) Have a new AMR meter attached to our home.
     2) Have it installed elsewhere on our property at our expense.(No
point, as the RF will travel via the wiring and be broadcast throughout the
house.)
     3)  Have our electric service from them disconnected.

     I used to read nightmarish fiction books about the future and wonder
if it would really be like that.  Here we are.

     If any of you receiving this have any ideas re how to best proceed,
please get in touch.

     Shivani Arjuna
     www.LifeEnergies.com
     920-994-4082 (USA)


Please forgive any multiple messages. Doing my best.







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About this matter I do have a different opinion.

I see elektrosmog as three components:
- electrical fields
- magnetic fields
- frequencies

Each of these may occur separately without the others.
This is seen from a biological viewpoint, not theoretical.

Frequencies can have a devastating biological effect, without any measurable
electrical field present.

The *dirty power* consists of VLF frequencies mainly in the mains
electricity net, and can be handled with some filters.
(It is better to eliminate the sources first, and then handle the rest with
some filters.)
But we also do have what I call *dirty air*, which consists of VLF
frequencies in the air, originating from electrical appliances, like LCD
TV's etc.
Here filters can do nothing, because it is in the air.

I am now playing around with this Impulsdetektor < 100 kHz, and I find
remarkable VLF sources.
I can hear the beatings of my watch, the blue lights of my USB hub, and the
signals from heat consumption meters which hang on radiators.
Normally these signals are so weak, I could not measure them, but now I can.
I am going to record them and place these modulations in my sound collection
on the webpage.

I know for some time, that electrosenstives do react to very tiny signals,
which are hardly measurable.

I found, that these heat consumption meters (Techem) of which the inside is
1" by 2", radiate VLF, which I can measure only when my probe is directly on
it.
But electrosensitives can *feel* these signals at distances of a few meters
away.

In a very curious way, VLF frequencies do carry much farther than
theoretically assumed, and do have a higher biological impact than high
frequencies.

If *normal* people listen to my recorded modulations (Pagina109.html) they
may feel annoyed.
But when electrosensitives listen to them, they will get the same complanits
as with the original signals.
But these sounds are pure audio, and there is no place for higher
frequencies there, like 900 MHz or higher.
So people can get hurt by listening to these modulations, which are pure
sound frequencies, without any electrical field.

This also goes for my audio CD's which contain Rife frequencies against
electrosensitivity.
When people listen to them, via computer, stereo or Discman, there is no
electrican field present, but they react to them.


Don't forget, that the modulations of elektrosmog are not pure; they contain
a lot of dirt frequencies.
I found 30 kHz and 100 kHz in an UMTS (3G) signal, and I could find a radar
signal throughits 30 kHz dirt.

So, these new *intelligent* meters do work with certain mobile phone
frequencies (or ISM868) but they contain also a lot of VLF.
IMagine Shivan gets a telephone call: *Good morning Shivani, yesterday you
had 5 lamps burning in your house. That is 2 over average.
Your refrigerator needs to be replaced. We have sent you an offer.*
That is bullshit. They don't even have enough personnel to make their bills
correct and do the neccessary maintenance, let alone a staff who looks at
all those figures.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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We Energies has responded already to my letter and my MD's letter.

They acknowledge having received both our letters, but do not respond to
anything whatsoever that we said. My doctor had written about health
effects,
citing several known biological effects and giving sources for thousands of
research studies. I had written about how the statutes they quoted in a
previous letter do not in fact give them a legal right to turn off our power
if
we won't accept an RF-broadcasting meter. (My lawyer concurred with me.)

They say:
"The electric and natural gas RMR equipment we use is safe...." and that
"We Energies and the broader scientific commnity believe that the AMR
equupment we are installing poses no adverse health effects."

They say we have only the following three options:
1) Have a new AMR meter attached to our home.
2) Have it installed elsewhere on our property at our expense. (No
point, as the RF will travel via the wiring and be broadcast throughout the
house.)
3) Have our electric service from them disconnected.

I used to read nightmarish fiction books about the future and wonder
if it would really be like that. Here we are.

If any of you receiving this have any ideas re how to best proceed,
please get in touch.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com
920-994-4082 (USA)


Please forgive any multiple messages. Doing my best.







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In a message dated 11/01/2010 09:10:35 GMT Standard Time,
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The *dirty power* consists of VLF frequencies mainly in the mains
electricity net, and can be handled with some filters.
(It is better to eliminate the sources first, and then handle the rest
with
some filters.)
But we also do have what I call *dirty air*, which consists of VLF
frequencies in the air, originating from electrical appliances, like LCD
TV's etc.
Here filters can do nothing, because it is in the air.




PUK replies - A typical example is the 42inch Pioneer Plasma TV that
irradiates our vicinity both conducted through mains and telecoms and in the
air, this Plasma TV is the essence of the above and should be taken away for
research purposes, - no such luck, from what I understand you cannot viably
filter this one !


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In a message dated 11/01/2010 09:10:35 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I am now playing around with this Impulsdetektor < 100 kHz, and I find
remarkable VLF sources.



Puk replies - someone needs to clarify the 100khz thing as I am being
poisoned by approx 500khz and 1600khz upwards by the Plasma TV, I am not
convinced that the 100KHZ is the golden egg of dirty power frequencies as I react
very badly to the very spikey Plasma TV radiation which travels accross
and over conductive materails like a rageing river !


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In a message dated 11/01/2010 09:10:35 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

In a very curious way, VLF frequencies do carry much farther than
theoretically assumed, and do have a higher biological impact than high
frequencies.



PUK replies - of course there is not just empty space between us and the
radiating device the space is made up of and full to the brim with atomic
matter so I guess this in some way rather like a network or matrix assists or
imedes flow of energy particles, we may evan send out web like structures
that inadvertently pick up on the suble energies and so on - Its a bit
quantum in cuase and effect I guess.


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Hi Shivani,
 
I thought you mentioned earlier that we could contact the "center for disabilities" and that they would take care of this problem (electric companies changing meters) for you.  Is that not working????  I was really counting on that to work.  My meter is fine, but there have been huge write ups in the area papers on how great "smart meters" are, so I bet they are coming.  :(  My electric company has been great about listening to my needs so far, tho.  I hope they continue.
 
Hope this works out for you,
Diane

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We Energies has responded already to my letter and my MD's letter. 

They acknowledge having received both our letters, but do not respond to
anything whatsoever that we said.  My doctor had written about health effects,
citing several known biological effects and giving sources for thousands of
research studies. I had written about how the statutes they quoted in a
previous letter do not in fact give them a legal right to turn off our power if
we won't accept an RF-broadcasting meter.  (My lawyer concurred with me.)

They say:
"The electric and natural gas RMR equipment we use is safe...."  and that
"We Energies and the broader scientific commnity believe that the AMR
equupment we are installing poses no adverse health effects."

     They say we have only the following three options:
     1) Have a new AMR meter attached to our home.
     2) Have it installed elsewhere on our property at our expense. (No
point, as the RF will travel via the wiring and be broadcast throughout the
house.)
     3)  Have our electric service from them disconnected.

     I used to read nightmarish fiction books about thefuture and wonder
if it would really be like that.  Here we are.

     If any of you receiving this have any ideas re howto best proceed,
please get in touch.

     Shivani Arjuna
     www.LifeEnergies. com
     920-994-4082 (USA)

Please forgive any multiple messages. Doing my best.

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I suppose your lawyer could advise you on filing for an injunction.
You might have to plan on expert witnesses, but it's not clear the
power company would even show up to fight it? But they probably
would.

I do think you'd be better off moving the meter away from the house,
but asking for that might hurt your legal position. If it's away from
the house you could also get a filter and shield the microwaves.
If it's over 40' away it could all work... add some copper flashing so
there will be an RF ground too.

The article in Prevention magazine might help your cause...

Bill

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Hi, Bill,

I wasn't sure if your answer to this post was for me or Shivani, but had a few questions to ask.

Our electric company was great and did all I asked when I set up the services in our new (er, new to us) house. We got a new pole 40 to 50 feet from the house, new wire to the new pole, a new meter on the pole, a kill switchon the same pole, and the pole is located furthest from the bedrooms (about 80'), and the entrance is insulated from the house as a whole by the brick garage. The new entrance/breaker panel is located in the garage, [insteadof meter on the living room wall and entrance/breaker below it in the basement]. WOOHOO!! I still have some problems in that house, electrically, but we are (very) slowly but surely working on it. ;)

It has been somewhat odd that, since moving the entrance and pole, my husband has problems there too, even tho he is not ES. He sparks almost everywhere he touches. It is as tho the electricity there has become very unstable. But the wiring is ancient and tacked together with a wing and a prayer!The last owners tried to do their own fixes. Scary wiring. It took the electrician from August! till the Holidays to get the entrance and pole work finished, due to other jobs/bad weather, and we quit then till the new year. We are now looking for a new electrician to run (probably) metal clad cable in the attic for all the upstairs lights and switches. (The old electrician was not up to the task, unfortunately. He liked to punch holes everywhere--even in rooms he was not working in! lol Not to mention the timeit took to complete the job.)  

Bill, I highly respect your input... I know you personally do not use metal shielded cable. Is there anything we should consider regarding using that in the attic? Pros/Cons? We are trying to "dumb down" our electrics, not necessarily high-tech it into the new millenium. We are not a family addicted to gadgets. I do have need to use a wired in phone and computer. Wehave the ability to set up the house without so much as an electric fridgein the kitchen. The washer and dryer in the garage/gas fridge/gas everything. My understanding is if you keep em frequencies out of your house, themetal-shielding is the way to go. However, what about the fiberglass batt insulation with the aluminum foil side--will there be a problem with that? (It will be on top of the cable.) And, with the ever increasing wireless gadgets, etc.... will the increase of those over time cause emfs to bleed into our house anyway? And (I am assuming) this will cause problems
with the metal clad wiring? Dirty electrics on the electric lines will behelped, but frequencies in the air--electrosmog--will be increased with metal clad, correct? We have a mid-century ranch, which has fire-stops in the walls as well, so we are not totally sold on the metal-clad but having problems deciding. Any input here is welcomed. Thanks so much for your help. I truly appreciate it.

Take care,
Diane

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