University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?

 
 
Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing research on EMF sensitivity!
She has some questions about differences in countries related to treatment of this impairment!
Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated!  Loni
 
 
 
I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've collected from EMF sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've heard about EMF "refugee" communities? Would you know if these are these real communities living together or just the communal feeling of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned?

Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?



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Questions: I've heard about EMF "refugee" communities? Would you know
if these are these real communities living together or just the
communal feeling of being a refugee from technology?

Answer:
Sweden provides areas for such people.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfrefugee/message/21984
"In remote forest of Sweden, couple escapes electromagnetic waves"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfrefugee/message/21898?threaded=1&p=2
Looking for a safe no-EMF place to live -
Jim Beal describes why Wimberly, Texas, USA might be a place to try out.
EMF Interface Consulting
POB 2112 , Wimberley  TX 78676
512-847-0371
<http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfrefugee/post?postID=WyLNkjF3eAeSRcSpQEC10CvXXySH5V1fFBZIN6OFd6NmcMZLcwFAXc_uG_qYBO_wa2897xUVGnExednfEK6LXA>emfeffects.beal@...
www.emfinterface.com

Question: "Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned? "
Answer: I feel trapped, totally trapped. There is no where to go.
There is no money to get to somewhere else. My family has a hard time
understanding. I live in the boondocks of Eastern Oregon (lack of
alternative medical services). I tried to find someone with a motor
home I could borrow and park somewhere or a cabin deep in the woods
where I could spend a lot of time this summer, and see if I get
better, but unless some benevolent stranger hears my plea for help,
this will never happen. With all my sensitivities I don't spend much
time socializing with other people.  It even burns me up to talk on a
landline phone. And it burns me up to type long emails, but feel
inclined to reply.

The most important way to get better is to avoid the EMF fields. So
yes, if I could escape to another place free of EMF fields, then
maybe I would feel like a refugee rather than like I'm in a prison -
a very uncomfortable prison. I tried to get help from social welfare
agencies, but their offices are full of killer chemical fragrance
stench, and I'm not an unwed mother popping out a baby every year or
two. The Eastern Oregon boonies might be a suitable place to set up
an EMF Refugee camp, and the state of Oregon is progressive enough a
group might be able to force through legislation to keep a protected
area EMF free.  Arizona is where a lot of these injured people flee to.

Question: "It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the
United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and
scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create
their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of
attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck
in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for
some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering.
Does this seem accurate? "

There is anecdotal evidence that a person generally first gets
fibromyalgia, then Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, then EHS. I
searched for, but cannot locate right now, the source of this
information. Someone said, the only people they knew of who didn't
get fibromyalgia and MCS first, before the EHS, worked around the
electrical equipment in the huge US Postal service mail sorting facilities.

I'm a Medical Technologist and worked in allopathic labs for 13
years. I saw this from the inside out. For decades big industry has
been fighting against the evidence that chemical and electromagnetic
fields are doing serious harm to people. Soon after electricity was
lighting us up, some people were busy tracking evidence of harm. Same
with the chemicals. However, big industry has massive economic
investments and cash cows to protect. All the studies they sponsor
show no harm, whereas studies by independent parties do show evidence
of harm. Government agencies are bribed and cajoled to parrot the no
harm mantra, and doctors are massively brainwashed by all this. THE
PUBLIC MUST NOT KNOW  THEY ARE BEING HARMED. Follow the money.

In the early 1900's U.S. big oil had lots of money to invest, so they
decided to take over the schools of medicine and turn the mainstream
medical into their pharmaceutical wet dream of allopathic medicine.
They make a lot of the drugs from the toxic left over coal tar. They
systematically went about shutting down mainstream naturopathic,
homeopathic, etc medical schools and practitioners that were serving
the community quite well. You get this care now only under the much
maligned "alternative medicine" label, and only if you don't buy into
the massive propaganda against it.

Therefore, if you go to a typical doctor in the USA today, if you can
get past the "it's all in your head" diagnosis, they have nothing to
offer you other than 1) diagnostic tests, which can be quite helpful,
and 2) the only treatments they have are pharmaceutical cartel drugs.
These drugs cure nothing. They cover up symptoms. They can have
severe side effects. In fact, they don't even know how most of these
drugs mask your symptoms, and this masking is itself a "side effect"
of the drugs. If you want real help with these conditions, you must
carefully choose from a small handful of "alternative" practitioners
that address the issue at it's root cause.

There are a number of facilities around the United States that treat
Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, and now Electrical Hypersensitivity,
since one seems to follow the other. However, they probably are not
covered by your medical insurance (if you have insurance). A huge
percentage of us won't find one of these doctors practicing nearby.
So on top of paying thousands of dollars out of pocket for the office
visits, therapeutic nutritionals, etc you would also have huge travel
and lodging expenses. Now if you haven't been able to work - how do
you pay for all this?

Often times doctors that come up with treatment plans that really
work have had the, unfortunate for them, but fortunate for us,
experience of being stricken by these conditions themselves.

Dr. William Rea of The Environmental Health Center-Dallas, Texas was
affected by EHS during his medical training.  http://www.ehcd.com/  I
would like to go there, but I can't afford it.

The best hope I've seen is from the work of Dr. Martin Pall
http://www.thetenthparadigm.org/ and the nitric oxide cycle. The
reasons a number of seemingly different conditions, (Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome/Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity,
Fibromyalgia and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder  and more) are
resistant to treatment is that this nitric oxide cycle that is set
off by a major stressor or illness, must be interrupted at multiple
points or it will find a way around and continue the vicious cycle. I
believe EHS is also in this category of illnesses.

Dr Pall notes the names of some treatment protocols that have worked,
and the similarities to his protocol:
http://www.thetenthparadigm.org/therapy.htm
"Five Complex Treatment Protocols

  "Five physicians/scientists have developed complex treatment
protocols containing from 14 to 18 different agents or classes of
agents predicted to down-regulate NO/ONOO- cycle biochemistry.  These
each appear to be effective in the treatment of multisystem illnesses
based on clinical observations and, in two cases (Jacob Teitelbaum's
and Garth Nicolson's), clinical trial studies.  Two other protocols
are those of Dr. Paul Cheney and Dr. Nash Petrovic.  I have been
involved with the development of the Pall/Ziem protocol, working with
Dr. Grace Ziem on its development.  The Pall/Ziem protocol has been
used to treat chemically injured, chemically sensitive patients.  The
others have been used to treat CFS patients with Teitelbaum's being
used to treat FM patients as well.  Each of these are discussed
elsewhere (1,2).  The lists provided below were current when my book
was being written but may no longer be current.  And there are
additional agents in two of these protocols which may not obviously
act to lower the NO/ONOO- cycle biochemistry."

Here is where you can buy the Dr. Pall Products Value Pack for $114 to $120
https://www.prohealth.com/shop/product.cfm/product__code/PHK23/tab/Description#title
Now you should do this under a doctor's supervision, but if you can't
find one near you, or if like me, you can't afford it,
what are you going to do? Continue to suffer?

Here is how Dr. Pall says to use the products
http://www.thetenthparadigm.org/arg.htm
There are 5 bottles, you start them one at a time, in case you should
have a reaction to one of them, you'll know which it is.  (This page
lists 7 products.) Alpha lipoic acid can cause problems for those
with mercury toxicity so they need to do a mercury detox first. I've
just had the local chiropractor muscle test that these supplements
should be beneficial for me to try. So I think I will.

Hope this helps,
Karen

On 6/3/2011 4:30:40 PM, Loni ([hidden email]) wrote:
 > Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing
research on EMF sensitivity!
 > She has some questions about differences in countries related to
treatment of this impairment!
 > Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated!  Loni
 >  >
 > I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've
collected from EMF sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've
heard about EMF "refugee" communities? Would you know if these are
these real communities living together or just the communal feeling
of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever feel like a refugee?
or abandoned?
 >
 > Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about
the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It
seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States,
have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific
community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own
new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the
UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to
disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of
biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this
seem accurate?


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Thanks for gathering the interviews, Loni. Yes, the student's description of the sociopolitical climate surrounding the issue seems very accurate. I was ok until Smart Meters & now am using up my last 3 months of web access & basic freedoms b4 there are Smart Meters in this town (& all thru my state). I've considered moving to NM but have no $, not enuf work experience to get SSD, & can't get SSI b/c I can't go to any doctor's appointments b/c of Smart Meters. So basically, after 4 years of MCS & now a very disabling electrical exposure via SM's, I do feel totally abandoned by the medical community & feel that said community is doing society a great disservice by trying to label EHS & all the chronic neuroinflammatory illnesses as psychosomatic. The impending public health crisis from these new, inescapable emfs (WiMax, Light Radio boxes, Smart Meters, more powerful, longer-range cell towers, & White Space wireless) is going to be HUGE & the costs of it
 ASTRONOMICAL. Also, for the record, the symptoms hurt so freaking bad & so constantly, & given that I have no $ to try any supplements or shielding materials, I just might try to live illegally in a country w/ safer wireless standards, like Switzerland. Anyone have a better idea?

-E. Drew

--- On Fri, 6/3/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:30 PM







 



 


   
     
     
       

 

Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing research on EMF sensitivity!

She has some questions about differences in countries related to treatment of this impairment!

Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated!  Loni

 

 

 

I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've collected from EMF sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've heard about EMF "refugee" communities? Would you know if these are these real communities living together or just the communal feeling of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned?



Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?



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> There is anecdotal evidence that a person generally first gets
> fibromyalgia, then Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, then EHS.

Maybe for some people, but people are not all alike.  I think
I got ES first, then MCS, and never got fibromyalgia.

Marc

There are some real communities of people living together.  The European communities I've heard about are the refuge in Sweden (see the msnbc article 'woozy from wi-fi', France (Drone), and later with Italy. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6805895.ece  From what I hear, it's still controversial in Europe, though there are some doctors who are aware of it (e.g., Freiburger appeal from German physicians).

In the USA, I've never heard of a refuge, although due to how spacious it is, there are still many residential areas where the outdoor emf's are low.  These are diminishing, of course, as cell towers sprout everywhere.  In the USA, the most readily available equivalent for medical help is probably a building biologist-- which is an idea which came from Europe, from Germany (baubiologie).


--- In [hidden email], Elysia Drew <necessejamais@...> wrote:

Another important feedback to mention is that the often cited Essex study that claims that people can't tell better than chance that the wireless signal is on or off is deeply flawed.  IIRC, it was:

1. Funded by industry.
2. Didn't achieve the proper number of participants needed for a good statistical analysis
3. Excluded the people who were too sick to continue and had to drop out
4. Had inadequate washout times -- time is needed for patient recovery in between exposures to avoid false positives
5. Didn't account for the diverse responses which could be caused by different levels of sensitization to different frequencies, and possibly electric/Intermediate Frequencies and other exposures which may have also been present along with the wireless signal
6. A reanalysis of the study found participants actually could tell better than chance...

The truth is twisted, again...  and doctors are most likely to believe it is a psychological nocebo effect...

All those studies are great nonsense.

The techies want ot explain the biological effects with mathematics and physics.

Please do have a look at:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html

where I have outlined what is happening with electrosensitives.

Electrosensitives do not react like lamps.
And most researchers do not have any idea what is happening.
So double-blind tests are not neccessary.
A control group is not neccessary, because they have nothing in their body what can react.

Besides that, most researchers do not know about elektrosmog.

Yesterday I found that an electrical field of 300 V/m, without a magnetical field, could have a greater impact, than an electrical field of 700 V/m with a magnetical field.
I measured this on a person.

Most persons do react to a DECT within minutes, and on a GSM mobile phone mast some hours later.
But I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone, but to a signal of 5.8 GHz (motion sensor in a lamp).

So, for doing tests, one has to know for which elektrosmog sources the persons are sensible to, and act accordingly.

Techies don't know about biological effects.

And it is not the amount of elektrosmog which is determining.
Very, very weak signals or frequencies may cause havock. With electrosensitives.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: emraware
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 5:10 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Essex study [Re: University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?]


  Another important feedback to mention is that the often cited Essex study that claims that people can't tell better than chance that the wireless signal is on or off is deeply flawed.  IIRC, it was:

  1. Funded by industry.
  2. Didn't achieve the proper number of participants needed for a good statistical analysis
  3. Excluded the people who were too sick to continue and had to drop out
  4. Had inadequate washout times -- time is needed for patient recovery in between exposures to avoid false positives
  5. Didn't account for the diverse responses which could be caused by different levels of sensitization to different frequencies, and possibly electric/Intermediate Frequencies and other exposures which may have also been present along with the wireless signal
  6. A reanalysis of the study found participants actually could tell better than chance...

  The truth is twisted, again...  and doctors are most likely to believe it is a psychological nocebo effect...



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And I had MCS first, then fms, and then ES.

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:44 AM


 



> There is anecdotal evidence that a person generally first gets
> fibromyalgia, then Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, then EHS.

Maybe for some people, but people are not all alike. I think
I got ES first, then MCS, and never got fibromyalgia.

Marc







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I had FMS first and then ES -- I don't have MCS at all.



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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, June 4, 2011 5:14:20 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?

And I had MCS first, then fms, and then ES.

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 10:44 AM


 



> There is anecdotal evidence that a person generally first gets
> fibromyalgia, then Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, then EHS.

Maybe for some people, but people are not all alike. I think
I got ES first, then MCS, and never got fibromyalgia.

Marc







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Yahoo! Groups Links



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Thanks Elysia! I'm trying to do as much as I can to bring awareness but working on the computer is very difficult for me but very important in this endeavor!  Loni

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, Elysia Drew <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Elysia Drew <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 7:32 AM


 



Thanks for gathering the interviews, Loni. Yes, the student's description of the sociopolitical climate surrounding the issue seems very accurate. I was ok until Smart Meters & now am using up my last 3 months of web access & basic freedoms b4 there are Smart Meters in this town (& all thru my state). I've considered moving to NM but have no $, not enuf work experience to get SSD, & can't get SSI b/c I can't go to any doctor's appointments b/c of Smart Meters. So basically, after 4 years of MCS & now a very disabling electrical exposure via SM's, I do feel totally abandoned by the medical community & feel that said community is doing society a great disservice by trying to label EHS & all the chronic neuroinflammatory illnesses as psychosomatic. The impending public health crisis from these new, inescapable emfs (WiMax, Light Radio boxes, Smart Meters, more powerful, longer-range cell towers, & White Space wireless) is going to be HUGE & the costs of it
ASTRONOMICAL. Also, for the record, the symptoms hurt so freaking bad & so constantly, & given that I have no $ to try any supplements or shielding materials, I just might try to live illegally in a country w/ safer wireless standards, like Switzerland. Anyone have a better idea?

-E. Drew

--- On Fri, 6/3/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:30 PM

 

 

 

Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing research on EMF sensitivity!

She has some questions about differences in countries related to treatment of this impairment!

Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated!  Loni

 

 

 

I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've collected from EMF sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've heard about EMF "refugee" communities? Would you know if these are these real communities living together or just the communal feeling of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned?

Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?

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--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:
>Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned?

No, I feel more like I'm living in a morass of invisible pollution and ignorance.
 
> Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?
>
Yup. Most doctors won't say they don't something, they just relegate it to all being in your head. :) Well, my head is the worst affected part, lol.

~ Snoshoe

I can't comment on the "refugee" communities, except the one that was widely reported in the media as existing in an undeveloped low-RF area in France.  I know that the organization "Next Up" would have more to say about this topic.  See slideshow at the beginning of this video: http://videos.next-up.org/BBCWorld/Les_refugies_des_micro_ondes/01_11_2009.html

As for support from the medical community in the United States, it's there if you know where to look for it.  I have helped tremendously in my battle with ES by naturopaths that are familiar with ES and have had success treating it.  I have, however, been lucky; these people are by no stretch of the imagination common; I doubt they exist outside of cities with large progressive/liberal populations (I live in Seattle).  And among MDs in the U.S., knowledge about ES is almost nonexistent (this is not the case in some countries; in Germany, for instance, thousands of mainstream physicians long ago signed the "Freiburger Appeal".  See: http://www.starweave.com/freiburger/).

So yeah, I'd say that while it has been largely up to my family and I to figure out how to deal with ES, I have gotten some important help from the alternative medical community.  Also, the psychologist I saw about the issue when I was first trying to figure out what was going on didn't just tell me I was crazy and needed years of talk therapy and/or drugs; he didn't have any experience with the condition and couldn't help me, but he was at least decent and humble enough to say so, which meant that I didn't waste time and money trying to treat a physiological response to an environmental stimulus as if it were a psychological problem.  I do think that ES has a lot of ramifications for psychological and neurological processes, however, which contributes to the deluded belief that it's a psychosomatic phenomenon.  If I had not been able to escape-to a degree-the microwaves and to treat the problem successfully, I'm sure I ultimately would have been diagnosed, quite fairly, as having psychological and/or neurological problems.  Microwave-based communications technologies undermine people's wellbeing and healthy mental and physical functioning; this is simply the nature of the monster we have created, and thus the fact that many ES people are not in a very good psychological state is utterly unsurprising.


--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

Could you private message me ( [hidden email].)  w/ the names of the naturopaths & practitioners who've helped you w/ your ES? My MCS started to improve when I saw 1 of the best classical homeopaths in the country, but all the improvement stopped & my health took a nosedive after a 4-day Smart Meter exposure in March, & now my constitutional homeopathic remedy, Morphinum, seems to hurt more than help. 
-E. Drew

--- On Tue, 6/14/11, joshfinley1985 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: joshfinley1985 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: University doing EMF study; any feedback for her?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2011, 5:45 PM















 
 



 


   
     
     
     



I can't comment on the "refugee" communities, except the one that was widely reported in the media as existing in an undeveloped low-RF area in France.  I know that the organization "Next Up" would have more to say about this topic.  See slideshow at the beginning of this video: http://videos.next-up.org/BBCWorld/Les_refugies_des_micro_ondes/01_11_2009.html



As for support from the medical community in the United States, it's there if you know where to look for it.  I have helped tremendously in my battle with ES by naturopaths that are familiar with ES and have had success treating it.  I have, however, been lucky; these people are by no stretch of the imagination common; I doubt they exist outside of cities with large progressive/liberal populations (I live in Seattle).  And among MDs in the U.S., knowledge about ES is almost nonexistent (this is not the case in some countries; in Germany, for instance, thousands of mainstream physicians long ago signed the "Freiburger Appeal".  See: http://www.starweave.com/freiburger/).



So yeah, I'd say that while it has been largely up to my family and I to figure out how to deal with ES, I have gotten some important help from the alternative medical community.  Also, the psychologist I saw about the issue when I was first trying to figure out what was going on didn't just tell me I was crazy and needed years of talk therapy and/or drugs; he didn't have any experience with the condition and couldn't help me, but he was at least decent and humble enough to say so, which meant that I didn't waste time and money trying to treat a physiological response to an environmental stimulus as if it were a psychological problem.  I do think that ES has a lot of ramifications for psychological and neurological processes, however, which contributes to the deluded belief that it's a psychosomatic phenomenon.  If I had not been able to escape-to a degree-the microwaves and to treat the problem successfully, I'm sure I ultimately would have been
 diagnosed, quite fairly, as having psychological and/or neurological problems.  Microwave-based communications technologies undermine people's wellbeing and healthy mental and physical functioning; this is simply the nature of the monster we have created, and thus the fact that many ES people are not in a very good psychological state is utterly unsurprising.



--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

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>  

>  

> Below is part of a recent email sent from University student doing research on EMF sensitivity!

> She has some questions about differences in countries related to treatment of this impairment!

> Any feedback I can send to her would be appreciated!  Loni

>  

>  

>  

> I'm beginning to start to work on all the interviews i've collected from EMF sufferers and wanted to ask you a question. I've heard about EMF "refugee" communities? Would you know if these are these real communities living together or just the communal feeling of being a refugee from technology? Do you ever feel like a refugee? or abandoned?

>

> Also, I was wondering what you might think of my conclusions about the state of EMF sufferers in the US compared to other nations. It seems like in the US, EHS people, especially in the United States, have been essentially abandoned by the biomedical and scientific community, branded psychosomatic, and expected to create their own new forms of treatment. Is there a different type of attitude in the UK? It seems like scientists in the us are more stuck in trying to disprove your illness rather than actually looking for some kind of biomedical or genetic predisposition of your suffering. Does this seem accurate?

>

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People to talk to:

Dr. Ramaley at Seattle Natural Health:
http://seattlenaturalhealth.com/

Steps recommended by Ramaley that have helped:
1) Earthing.  See www.earthing.com  The mats work better than the bands.  If you can, install your own grounding rod instead of using your house's wiring.
2) A supplement called BodyGuard Supreme.  See http://www.drz.org/asp/store/DetailPage.asp?ProductID=783
3)  Multipolar magnets.  The only place I know to find them is through Seattle Natural Health.

Dr. Jelstrup at the Bellevue Wellness Center:
http://www.bellevuewellnesscenter.com/?page_id=181

His main contribution was helping me go through the process of chelation (heavy metal removal).  I used a product called Kelatox (http://www.kelatox.com/Home).  You should have testing done to determine if this is relevant to you.

I'm doing so much better than I used to be, and one of the main things I credit is hot (bikram) yoga, where you sweat a ton.  Proponents claim the practice to be very detoxifying.  If you can, find a studio and start going every day.

Best,
Josh



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