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sailplane
I noticed long ago that having my Lenovo laptop turned off, causes worse sleep those nights. Even if it's not powered at all, just off, with a battery in it, no power cable.

Anybody else noticed this?  The laptop usually sits about 5-10 feet from me.

I also found that since this laptop has an internal battery, pressing F1 and going in the BIOS there is a Disable Internal Battery function there, which is intended for turning off the laptop "truly". The power button stops responding once this is done and only connecting the power cord bring the laptop back awake.

So I use that every night since I cannot actually remove the battery physically because it's internal.

Just wondering what others have noticed and if anyone else removes the battery from their laptop at night, or thinking to experiment and see if it helps.

All electronics that are off but don't have a "hard off" button always continue emitting something, But the emission is extremely small..  I'm surprised that this seems to matter, so just wondering if anyone else is doing this and noticing a difference.


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Merializer
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I read someone in the Dutch Facebook group saying something similar,
that he still feels the Laptop when it's off.
If it still emits something, maybe you might be able to measure something in a "quiet" zone, like a forrest or a bunker or a underground shelter. It's worth to try, even though some say (like Charles) we cannot really measure everything with meters what some people react to.
He said this in a video, but it's in Dutch :)


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Fog Top
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My Dell laptop does a similar thing.  I detect a pulse from it with an AM battery powered radio when it is turned off.  When I was extremely ES, I would pull the battery out each night and then didn't detect the pulse.


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I noticed long ago that having my Lenovo laptop turned off, causes worse sleep those nights. Even if it's not powered at all, just off, with a battery in it, no power cable.

Anybody else noticed this?  The laptop usually sits about 5-10 feet from me.

I also found that since this laptop has an internal battery, pressing F1 and going in the BIOS there is a Disable Internal Battery function there, which is intended for turning off the laptop "truly". The power button stops responding once this is done and only connecting the power cord bring the laptop back awake.

So I use that every night since I cannot actually remove the battery physically because it's internal.

Just wondering what others have noticed and if anyone else removes the battery from their laptop at night, or thinking to experiment and see if it helps.

All electronics that are off but don't have a "hard off" button always continue emitting something, But the emission is extremely small..  I'm surprised that this seems to matter, so just wondering if anyone else is doing this and noticing a difference.





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sailplane
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Merializer wrote
I read someone in the Dutch Facebook group saying something similar,
that he still feels the Laptop when it's off.
If it still emits something, maybe you might be able to measure something in a "quiet" zone, like a forrest or a bunker or a underground shelter. It's worth to try, even though some say (like Charles) we cannot really measure everything with meters what some people react to.
I think he said this in a Dutch video i once saw.
"something" should be measurable for sure, but it will be an extremely small amount.
We know the battery eventually dies just by being in there, in a month or maybe more.. so it is using the battery as it waits for the power button to be pressed and a chip is active listening for that. But it's not wifi or anything very strong at all.  Maybe it has to do with the fact that I use this laptop all day long so I'm more sensitive to it.
I seem to be most sensitive to equipment that I was most exposed to.


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Merializer
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it was this video:
https://youtu.be/3qF-sxxGLHw?t=1220
in short: Some apartments have heat sensors for radiators. They emit at 868MHz,
and some feel it 3 meters away, he says. it's about longitudinal waves he says.
I wonder if it's not just because we feel with our aura or something like that ?
Because i can feel bad energy from a person from a couple of meters away.
But i'm just saying something, i don't know. But i don't believe everything Charles said,
he believed in things that i don't. I tried some things he said and it didn't seem to work.
It's also weird he measures this sensor with something like a radio. If it's 868Mhz
he should have with a RF meter, but it may be because of the ambient RF there that he didn't,
and just used the device he held to make his point.
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sailplane
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Fog Top wrote
My Dell laptop does a similar thing.  I detect a pulse from it with an AM battery powered radio when it is turned off.  When I was extremely ES, I would pull the battery out each night and then didn't detect the pulse.

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How far away do you detect it?
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Karl
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Does your clock still show the correct time after you turn off the battery?  Because the clock oscillator might still be running.
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Fog Top
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I'm living in a camper while my house is being built and that radio is currently in a storage unit.  I do remember that I could pick up the pulse across a approximately 15' x 15' room.  I remember picking up a similar pulse from TVs which had been turned off with a remote control.


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Fog Top wrote
My Dell laptop does a similar thing.  I detect a pulse from it with an AM battery powered radio when it is turned off.  When I was extremely ES, I would pull the battery out each night and then didn't detect the pulse.

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My laptop kept the correct time when I pulled the battery.  Do you think the pulse is from the clock's oscillation?  Interesting!


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Does your clock still show the correct time after you turn off the battery?  Because the clock oscillator might still be running.


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sailplane
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Karl wrote
Does your clock still show the correct time after you turn off the battery?  Because the clock oscillator might still be running.
Yes, this laptop has a small bios battery like a watch battery. I don't have problems sleeping though even with that running, and for sure it is running as you say, because the time is being kept.
It's just when I forget to go in the bios and disable the internal battery that I notice the problem.
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sailplane
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Fog Top wrote
I'm living in a camper while my house is being built and that radio is currently in a storage unit.  I do remember that I could pick up the pulse across a approximately 15' x 15' room.  I remember picking up a similar pulse from TVs which had been turned off with a remote control.
15'?? with the laptop turned off, and unplugged? Pretty strong.. I never tried AM when it's off, I'll check it out. I was just checking for high frequency with Acousticom/Cornet.
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If it's a Lenovo laptop with a modern Intel chipset, it is very likely it has something called Intel AMT (Active Management Technology) inside it.

AMT is a small CPU inside the real CPU, that makes remote management of the computer possible. Depending on BIOS settings, this CPU may be running even with the power off. It is running, because it is supposed to be able to provide remote access, even to computers that are off (so that you can turn it on remotely).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology

I have an Lenovo P51, which is completely unusable otherwise because of extreme emissions, and the only way to get it to be silent on my AM radio because of this, was to pull the battery.

There is a setting somewhere in the BIOS, to make the AMT chip go to sleep also, but good luck finding it. It is not in the regular BIOS, but has to be accessed through a separate prompt, just before Windows loads.

There is also a feature in some Lenovo laptops, called "always on USB". This allows you to charge stuff through the USB port, even with the Laptop off. Check that always on USB is disabled in the BIOS, if you have that feature.

Besides the AMT and USB, I think others here came up with good ideas for the rest of the possibilities.
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Karl
The USB port on my Thinkpad T61 will continue to charge devices during sleep mode, but only if a device is plugged in when the computer goes to sleep.  It won't charge anything when it's shut down.