Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with Naturell?)

Hi there,

 

I need to be able to travel again for work.

 

To give you an idea of how sensitive I currently am, I’m sensitive enoughto
be progressively disabled (start to get pains, lose balance, heart problems)
by next door’s old DECT (now, been replaced by an Orchid!) and their WiFi
slowly makes me lose concentration and focus if I stay in it all day.

 

I went to Bristol recently on work and was booked into Premier Inn in the
centre. As soon as I drove in I could begin to feel the onslaught of
microwaves, my Electrosmog Dectector MW1 was going mad picking up all the
signals and just about the whole city was in saturation cover in microwaves.

 

By the end of the working day I was exhausted and couldn’t bear my hotel
room which was being blasted from several directions, it seemed. So I drove
into the countryside and slept in the car overnight – and, discomfort aside,
was blissfully refreshed again by morning.

 

So I’ve been thinking of what to do next time I’m travelling, when it may
not be so easy to escape at night.

 

Here’s my idea and I’d be VERY interested in what you think of it, or any
other ideas you may have.

 

Naturell (http://www.electrosmogshielding.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=481 ) looks
like a very effective cotton based fabric that keeps its protection right up
to the 6Ghz plus range (unlike Bobinet, for instance)

 

So, I thought I could simply make a sheet sleeping bag with Naturell sown
around the outside and with some kind of hood for the head, and so protect
myself at night in a hotel from the major part of the pulsing microwaves.

 

Further, it seems quite a soft material and I could make some basic
underclothes/long johns to wear while at work to reduce exposure
considerably.

 

It’s very well priced at £65 per metre (2.5m wide – it works out at just £26
per square metre)

 

 

Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could recommend
another instead, or another solution to travellers challenge?

 

Many thanks

John

PS from:

http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequency-m
icrowave-shielding-fabric

* Used for shielding large surfaces (walls and windows) from high
frequency electromagnetic waves (microwaves)
* Unmatched shielding characteristics
* 99 %ñ 99.9 % effective in shielding RF, 200MHz to 10GHz
* Shields cell towers, cordless phones, security systems, wireless
computer gear and more
* Smooth, sheer fabric, easy to work with, washable
* Designed and manufactured in Switzerland
* Ideal for curtains to shield windows or bed canopies

WARNING: Swiss Shield Naturell reflects high frequency electromagnetic waves
and is not externally conductive, therefore it must not and cannot be
grounded.

 

 



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I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not a  
good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is  
conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of the  
aura).
I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution. For  
outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or  
clothing.

Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some F---
ing airports. I called ahead to try to get them to turn off cell  
phones in the fuselage like SouthWest Airlines has done in the past,  
but American Airlines is now requiring me to have a doctors note  
saying "I am fit to travel!" @#$%*: (

I have ordered an EMF jacket from LessEMF.com and also have a lead  
radiation hat that I wear sometimes and various silver mesh cloths  
that I will drape around me as necessary (scary looking).

I'll let you know how it goes with Wi-Fi and cell phones inside a F---
ing airplane.

Good luck with your travels!

Andrew

On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:16 AM, John Jamieson wrote:

Yes traveling really is hard!  I haven't found a hotel I can tolerate yet. I would never attempt a flight at this point. I feel for you all having to do it.  Loni

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with Naturell?)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 9:14 AM


I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not a 
good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is 
conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of the 
aura).
I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution. For 
outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or 
clothing.

Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some F---
ing airports. I called ahead to try to get them to turn off cell 
phones in the fuselage like SouthWest Airlines has done in the past, 
but American Airlines is now requiring me to have a doctors note 
saying "I am fit to travel!"  @#$%*: (

I have ordered an EMF jacket from LessEMF.com and also have a lead 
radiation hat that I wear sometimes and various silver mesh cloths 
that I will drape around me as necessary (scary looking).

I'll let you know how it goes with Wi-Fi and cell phones inside a F---
ing airplane.

Good luck with your travels!

Andrew

On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:16 AM, John Jamieson wrote:



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> Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could recommend
> another instead, or another solution to travellers challenge?

I depend on EMF protection "gadgets" for travel... they are quite helpful
for me, although people's luck with these vary. I have items that plug
into hotel outlets (Quantum Products), and items I can carry on my
person (Springlife Polarizers, Quantum Products, Mega-Chi Pendant,
etc.)

Marc

Hi John

I can relate to your situation, since I have had to travel a lot for
work. I have tried Naturell before. In my opinion, it was not
protective enough for my needs for cordless phones/cell towers-- they
leaked thru according to the electrosmog detector. I would instead
recommend a stronger dB protection factor. I personally prefer Tulle 60
dB fabric from http://store.fine-silver-productsnet.com (from
shieldextrading.net), based in the US though. (The clothes from this
store, however, weren't strong enough in dB factor, the DECT cordless
radiation also went through it. I had someone sew something out of
Tulle fabric instead.) BTW, If you get Tulle, make sure to confirm
it's 5 feet, because they gave me 4 foot once.

If the radiation is solely external, I have had much success by just
pinning the Tulle cloth to the window curtain using plastic hanger
clips, which I can set up in < 5 minutes. However, you should get as
much of the window as you can-- no leaks... If the radiation, however,
is both internal & external, I need to make sure the hotel room has 4
places I can hook the cloth onto, or use tape. Sometimes I move around
lamps/chairs around to hook onto, if necessary. I suppose you could
make a mosquito net out of it...

I agree with Andrew that tent is preferred over sleeping bag. As a
sleeping bag, it can get pretty hot, as the cloth is also thermally
reflective, and the radiation in the air might also contribute to it.  
I do, however, think wearing the cloth is okay. I wear a vest
sandwiched between 2 cotton shirts on a day-to-day basis, and when I
drive alone, drape the cloth over my head. It's slightly transparent...
The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.

***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless phones,
cell towers, and distant cell phones). However, nearby cell phones
could make things worse if their radiation penetrates through and
bounces around. inside.

More suggestions:
(1) Try taking a multi-vitamin during travel.
(2) Choose your hotel. Ask about Cordless/Wi-Fi in advance. Check cell
tower maps like cellreception.com/antennasearch.com (UK probably has
something similar)
(3) If you have the opportunity/time to book on the spot, bring a meter
to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use it
to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.


--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: sensitive
> > enough to
> > be progressively disabled (start to get pains, lose balance, heart
> > problems)
> > by next door's old DECT (now, been replaced by an Orchid!) and
their
> > WiFi
> > slowly makes me lose concentration and focus if I stay in it all
day. my travelling, when
> > it may
> > not be so easy to escape at night.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's my idea and I'd be VERY interested in what you think
of it, works out at
> > just £26
> > per square metre)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could
recommend http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen\
cy-m be


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In the past, it was better to stay away from the front where all the
business class users have blackberries and the like. But nowadays, a
lot more people have them....

AA's wireless might be more than Continental's but that's only based off
of electrosmog detector's sounds, which is not always so reliable. I
need to compare with the Cornet meter sometime. :)

> Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some F---
> ing airports. I called ahead to try to get them to turn off cell
> phones in the fuselage like SouthWest Airlines has done in the past,
> but American Airlines is now requiring me to have a doctors note
> saying "I am fit to travel!" @#$%*: (
>

Thanks v much for this Andrew, very helpful indeed!

I can certainly relate to your point about shielding fabric directly on
skin, and waves bouncing around inside! However, I'm a bit confused,
especially as you later say you've ordered a jacket from lessemf! How's that
different? Won't waves bounce around inside too, since it's not actually a
faraday cage. If you mean it won't be next to your skin because of clothing,
wouldn't it be the same if I made a sheet sleeping bag with a cotton sheet
and then put the material on the outside of that?

Still, I suspect you are right about farther away from body being better,
especially if that then means you can completely enclose yourself. Maybe use
my two man tent poles with emf material instead, and erect in hotel room -
hhmmm, what ends we have to go to!

Seems like we're all learning, experimenting and breaking new ground here! I
suspect millions will one day soon be grateful for our musings!

Sounds like the 'doctor's note' fit-to-travel is the ultimate catch 22 LOL.

I don't really fancy flying anymore, so please share your experiences! Do
you go through these microwave naked body scanners they are installing?



-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 24 June 2010 17:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not a  
good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is  
conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of the  
aura).
I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution. For  
outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or  
clothing.

Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some F---
ing airports. I called ahead to try to get them to turn off cell  
phones in the fuselage like SouthWest Airlines has done in the past,  
but American Airlines is now requiring me to have a doctors note  
saying "I am fit to travel!" @#$%*: (

I have ordered an EMF jacket from LessEMF.com and also have a lead  
radiation hat that I wear sometimes and various silver mesh cloths  
that I will drape around me as necessary (scary looking).

I'll let you know how it goes with Wi-Fi and cell phones inside a F---
ing airplane.

Good luck with your travels!

Andrew

On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:16 AM, John Jamieson wrote:
http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequency-m


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I found in my local poundstore a massive 8ftx5ft mylar emergency shelter,  
which I am going to try when I an in the mountains on vacation. That said  
I lined my loft with mylar (not completely) and over the month I left it
there I had a very disrupted sleep pattern so I think I broke the golden rule
that if you are going to sheild do it fastidiously or you may create
anomolies that will make it worse for yourself. I have recently covered my
bedroom windows in 3m reflective film and I think that this is beneficial since
I also have a sheet of high performance silver mesh over the window opening
which no doubt catches the waves that pass through the pvc frames.
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 28/06/2010 11:34:15 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Thanks v much for this Andrew, very helpful indeed!

I can certainly relate to your point about shielding fabric directly on
skin, and waves bouncing around inside! However, I'm a bit confused,
especially as you later say you've ordered a jacket from lessemf! How's
that
different? Won't waves bounce around inside too, since it's not actually a
faraday cage. If you mean it won't be next to your skin because of
clothing,
wouldn't it be the same if I made a sheet sleeping bag with a cotton sheet
and then put the material on the outside of that?

Still, I suspect you are right about farther away from body being better,
especially if that then means you can completely enclose yourself. Maybe
use
my two man tent poles with emf material instead, and erect in hotel room -
hhmmm, what ends we have to go to!

Seems like we're all learning, experimenting and breaking new ground here!
I
suspect millions will one day soon be grateful for our musings!

Sounds like the 'doctor's note' fit-to-travel is the ultimate catch 22 LOL.

I don't really fancy flying anymore, so please share your experiences! Do
you go through these microwave naked body scanners they are installing?

-----Original Message-----
From: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
[mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 24 June 2010 17:15
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Subject: Re: [eSens] Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not a
good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is
conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of the
aura).
I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution. For
outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or
clothing.

Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some F---
ing airports. I called ahead to try to get them to turn off cell
phones in the fuselage like SouthWest Airlines has done in the past,
but American Airlines is now requiring me to have a doctors note
saying "I am fit to travel!" @#$%*: (

I have ordered an EMF jacket from LessEMF.com and also have a lead
radiation hat that I wear sometimes and various silver mesh cloths
that I will drape around me as necessary (scary looking).

I'll let you know how it goes with Wi-Fi and cell phones inside a F---
ing airplane.

Good luck with your travels!

Andrew

On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:16 AM, John Jamieson wrote:
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Hi emraware

 

Thanks so much for all this very useful info.

 

I have emailed the store about shipping the Tulle 60” to the UK (can’t find
a supplier over here).

It’s so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc from
personal experience. There’s nothing on the site (that I’ve found) about
actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/ uncertain.

 

Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don’t go through the walls
then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes, I
think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be best as
a) it’s predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround you. Do you
think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would you
have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?

 

AH, I get you’re point about getting hot in a sleeping bag, especially asI
like very cool air at night!

 

Interesting about waves ‘getting through’ and then bouncing around inside! I
don’t think I would be too near sources, but then what’s too near? If aDECT
base is in the same house – say another room below, that seems pretty near
to me!

 

Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that with my
MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but I’d love
to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already affect
me.

There’s to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m aprrox
with foil patch) that’s supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but I’m sure that
even that’s not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is required–
do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2 ??), plus
up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe would
not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)  

I couldn’t find a ‘Cornet’ meter at lessemf :( - is that very sensitive?

 

Many thanks again

John

 

 

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
emraware
Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

 

 

Hi John

I can relate to your situation, since I have had to travel a lot for
work. I have tried Naturell before. In my opinion, it was not
protective enough for my needs for cordless phones/cell towers-- they
leaked thru according to the electrosmog detector. I would instead
recommend a stronger dB protection factor. I personally prefer Tulle 60
dB fabric from http://store.fine-silver-productsnet.com (from
shieldextrading.net), based in the US though. (The clothes from this
store, however, weren't strong enough in dB factor, the DECT cordless
radiation also went through it. I had someone sew something out of
Tulle fabric instead.) BTW, If you get Tulle, make sure to confirm
it's 5 feet, because they gave me 4 foot once.

If the radiation is solely external, I have had much success by just
pinning the Tulle cloth to the window curtain using plastic hanger
clips, which I can set up in < 5 minutes. However, you should get as
much of the window as you can-- no leaks... If the radiation, however,
is both internal & external, I need to make sure the hotel room has 4
places I can hook the cloth onto, or use tape. Sometimes I move around
lamps/chairs around to hook onto, if necessary. I suppose you could
make a mosquito net out of it...

I agree with Andrew that tent is preferred over sleeping bag. As a
sleeping bag, it can get pretty hot, as the cloth is also thermally
reflective, and the radiation in the air might also contribute to it.
I do, however, think wearing the cloth is okay. I wear a vest
sandwiched between 2 cotton shirts on a day-to-day basis, and when I
drive alone, drape the cloth over my head. It's slightly transparent...
The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.

***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless phones,
cell towers, and distant cell phones). However, nearby cell phones
could make things worse if their radiation penetrates through and
bounces around. inside.

More suggestions:
(1) Try taking a multi-vitamin during travel.
(2) Choose your hotel. Ask about Cordless/Wi-Fi in advance. Check cell
tower maps like cellreception.com/antennasearch.com (UK probably has
something similar)
(3) If you have the opportunity/time to book on the spot, bring a meter
to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use it
to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: sensitive
> > enough to
> > be progressively disabled (start to get pains, lose balance, heart
> > problems)
> > by next door's old DECT (now, been replaced by an Orchid!) and
their
> > WiFi
> > slowly makes me lose concentration and focus if I stay in it all
day. my travelling, when
> > it may
> > not be so easy to escape at night.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's my idea and I'd be VERY interested in what you think
of it, works out at
> > just £26
> > per square metre)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could
recommend http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen\
<http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequency-
m>
cy-m be
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John wrote:

I don't really fancy flying anymore, so please share your experiences! Do
you go through these microwave naked body scanners they are installing?

Stephen replies:

I just took a plane from Amsterdam. Because I had read Amsterdam airpoirt is one of the first airports that have those "microwave naked body scanners", I called them whether I was obligated to get scanned by these... They said that it's not obligatory, probably for privacy reasons! So if you ask they can check you manually. At least that seems to be the policy in Amsterdam.

When I actually took the plane on Thursday in Amsterdam, we weren't going through these "microwave naked body scanners" anyway, somebody told me it's only when you take a plane to the US...





--- In [hidden email], "John Jamieson" <john@...> wrote:

Ok, part reply to my own question:

How sensitive is Cornet meter?

I found the Cornet ED85EX --RF
<http://s160930441.onlinehome.us/resources/ED85ex-1.pdf> Field Strength
power meter with SMA connector (1MHz-8GHz)

Has Wide frequency range : 1MHz to 8GHz (useful to 10GHz)

And High sensitivity : –55dBm to 0 dBm (25mV/m to 14.8V/m)

 

I take it 25mV/m is 0.025 V/m and so still not in a sensitive enough range –
rats!

 

I absolutely know I’m sensitive well below these figures, anyone have
suggestions for more sensitive meters?

 

Many thanks

John

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John
Jamieson
Sent: 28 June 2010 12:19
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with Naturell?)

 

 

Hi emraware

Thanks so much for all this very useful info.

I have emailed the store about shipping the Tulle 60” to the UK (can’t find
a supplier over here).

It’s so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc from
personal experience. There’s nothing on the site (that I’ve found) about
actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/ uncertain.

Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don’t go through the walls
then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes, I
think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be best as
a) it’s predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround you. Do you
think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would you
have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?

AH, I get you’re point about getting hot in a sleeping bag, especially asI
like very cool air at night!

Interesting about waves ‘getting through’ and then bouncing around inside! I
don’t think I would be too near sources, but then what’s too near? If aDECT
base is in the same house – say another room below, that seems pretty near
to me!

Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that with my
MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but I’d love
to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already affect
me.

There’s to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m aprrox
with foil patch) that’s supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but I’m sure that
even that’s not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is required–
do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2 ??), plus
up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe would
not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)

I couldn’t find a ‘Cornet’ meter at lessemf :( - is that very sensitive?

Many thanks again

John

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
emraware
Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

Hi John

I can relate to your situation, since I have had to travel a lot for
work. I have tried Naturell before. In my opinion, it was not
protective enough for my needs for cordless phones/cell towers-- they
leaked thru according to the electrosmog detector. I would instead
recommend a stronger dB protection factor. I personally prefer Tulle 60
dB fabric from http://store.fine-silver-productsnet.com (from
shieldextrading.net), based in the US though. (The clothes from this
store, however, weren't strong enough in dB factor, the DECT cordless
radiation also went through it. I had someone sew something out of
Tulle fabric instead.) BTW, If you get Tulle, make sure to confirm
it's 5 feet, because they gave me 4 foot once.

If the radiation is solely external, I have had much success by just
pinning the Tulle cloth to the window curtain using plastic hanger
clips, which I can set up in < 5 minutes. However, you should get as
much of the window as you can-- no leaks... If the radiation, however,
is both internal & external, I need to make sure the hotel room has 4
places I can hook the cloth onto, or use tape. Sometimes I move around
lamps/chairs around to hook onto, if necessary. I suppose you could
make a mosquito net out of it...

I agree with Andrew that tent is preferred over sleeping bag. As a
sleeping bag, it can get pretty hot, as the cloth is also thermally
reflective, and the radiation in the air might also contribute to it.
I do, however, think wearing the cloth is okay. I wear a vest
sandwiched between 2 cotton shirts on a day-to-day basis, and when I
drive alone, drape the cloth over my head. It's slightly transparent...
The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.

***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless phones,
cell towers, and distant cell phones). However, nearby cell phones
could make things worse if their radiation penetrates through and
bounces around. inside.

More suggestions:
(1) Try taking a multi-vitamin during travel.
(2) Choose your hotel. Ask about Cordless/Wi-Fi in advance. Check cell
tower maps like cellreception.com/antennasearch.com (UK probably has
something similar)
(3) If you have the opportunity/time to book on the spot, bring a meter
to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use it
to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: sensitive
> > enough to
> > be progressively disabled (start to get pains, lose balance, heart
> > problems)
> > by next door's old DECT (now, been replaced by an Orchid!) and
their
> > WiFi
> > slowly makes me lose concentration and focus if I stay in it all
day. my travelling, when
> > it may
> > not be so easy to escape at night.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's my idea and I'd be VERY interested in what you think
of it, works out at
> > just £26
> > per square metre)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could
recommend http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen\
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Hi John,

The performance figures for the Tulle cloth are at:
http://www.shieldextrading.net/woven_fabrics.htm
For some reason, they separate it from the actual store website.

The Cornet meter on less emf, is actually called 8 GHZ BASIC RF METER
http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html. The Basic RF meter is also nice, but
for a smaller range of frequencies (up to 3 GHz). I wouldn't recommend
these for professional use, but it's pretty good for personal use, to
get a pretty good idea of your exposure. It's very sensitive-- even
when the electrosmog detector gives silent white noise, I can
distinguish between differing levels.

Mast transmissions go through both wooden walls and windows without
reflective coating/window film-- some materials shield better than
others.

It depends-- in some situations, it's sufficient to put on the curtains
(one direction). In other situations (microwave on all directions),
then something like a Faraday cage is better. With the meter, you can
test to see what works. Yes, DECT in the neighboring room would still
be considered "near". I try to avoid DECT as much as possible. Nearby
sources can dominate over external sources b/c of their proximity. If
the cell tower radiation is too high, the cloth may not be enough-- I
usually choose a room on a lower floor if the cell tower is towards the
roof. On higher floors, it's more difficult because you still have to
get out of the tent...


--- In [hidden email], "John Jamieson" <john@...> wrote: (can't find
> a supplier over here).
>
> It's so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc
from
> personal experience. There's nothing on the site (that I've
found) about
> actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/
uncertain.
>
>
>
> Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don't go through
the walls
> then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes,
I
> think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be
best as
> a) it's predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround
you. Do you
> think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would
you
> have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?
>
>
>
> AH, I get you're point about getting hot in a sleeping bag,
especially as I
> like very cool air at night!
>
>
>
> Interesting about waves `getting through' and then bouncing
around inside! I
> don't think I would be too near sources, but then what's too
near? If a DECT
> base is in the same house – say another room below, that seems
pretty near
> to me!
>
>
>
> Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that
with my
> MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but
I'd love
> to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already
affect
> me.
>
> There's to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m
aprrox
> with foil patch) that's supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but
I'm sure that
> even that's not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is
required –
> do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2
??), plus
> up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe
would
> not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)
>
> I couldn't find a `Cornet' meter at lessemf :( - is that
very sensitive? Of
> emraware
> Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with 60 transparent...
> The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.
>
> ***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless
phones, meter
> to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
> floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use
it
> to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> McAfee amcafeerr@ wrote:
> >
> > I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not
a
> > good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is
> > conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of
the
> > aura).
> > I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution.
For
> > outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or
> > clothing.
> >
> > Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some
F--- F--- of So protection
> > > right up
> > > to the 6Ghz plus range (unlike Bobinet, for instance)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I thought I could simply make a sheet sleeping bag with
Naturell
> > > sown
> > > around the outside and with some kind of hood for the head, and so
> > > protect
> > > myself at night in a hotel from the major part of the pulsing
> > > microwaves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further, it seems quite a soft material and I could make some
basic http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen\
\
>
<http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-freque\
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Ah! Thanks for that link!

(http://www.shieldextrading.net/woven_fabrics.htm )

 

I see they do other products too.

 

Zell is not much more expensive, but has a much more impressive performance
claim:

SHIELDING EFFECTIVENESS: Average 90db from 30Mhz to 10Ghz

(whereas Tulle is only: Shielding Effectiveness: Average >60db from 30 MHz
to 3 GHz)

 

I wonder if anyone has experience with Zell?? (one of its stated
applications is shielding tents)

 

 

Thanks for clarifying the 8Ghz basic rf meter. It looks very good, though
still it goes down to only .02 V/m (20 mV/m); which is indeed more sensitive
than MW1 (standard), but my MW1 patched with thick silver foil is very much
more sensitive than standard and probably does go down to the 0.01 – 0.02
V/m claimed.

 

Yet, I know that’s not enough for me. At that rate I can just about pick up
next door’s DECT near our party wall (semi-detached) but no way does it
register one floor up and two rooms across where I sleep - yet I clearly
get sleep problems such as heart arrhythmias and concentration/focus issues
during day which stop me from working. I would like to be able measure this
silent menace too (though next door have thankfully switched off their DECT
for an Orchid DECT instead).

 

And much lower levels than that is their WiFi. My patched MW1 can detect it
up to about 3 or 4 metres away in their house. Our party wall is another 2
meters, so in our house there’s no way MW1 is able pick up their WiFi
several more metres into our house – yet we KNOW it’s affecting us: a) we
can feel a slight tingling in our scalp as if hair is starting to stand up
on end and 2) I can’t work for many hours anywhere in our house without
suffering disorientation and inability to work (since I work from home this
is a problem! I retreat to my caravan on the drive which seems relatively
well protected and I feel fine in it)

 

I was suffering from a false sense of security at NOT being able to detect
these lower levels with my patched MW1, and so am still keen to be able to
measure them.

 

Does anyone know of more sensitive meters around (and not hugely expensive -
$499 for 8Ghz RF is about limit!)

 

I should add that our house is new and lined with aluminum foil back cavity
insulation – this makes it like a microwave oven, so these low intensity
signals are bouncing around and almost certainly multiplying their effect
from all directions, but MW1 is one direction only (more or less) and so may
be missing out on these cumulative reflections, so the 8Ghz RF Meter may
well pick this up as it’s 3-axis (‘isotropic’)

 

Yes, DECT’s a no-no! When I had to retreat from city hotel room I thought
B&B would be great – I went around several in countryside and, of course,
they ALL had DECT – hence my blissful night in the car in the middle of the
fields instead!

And yes, lower floors are GOOD as they are less in line with masts.

 

When you say you still have to get out of the tent, do you mean that so much
gets through that it’s too uncomfortable to stay in? If so, what do you do
then? Is it actually better out of the tent with all its reflections going
on inside?

 

I still find it incredible that we even have to have this conversation! But
thanks for your help again

 

John

Cornwall UK

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
emraware
Sent: 28 June 2010 14:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

 

 

Hi John,

The performance figures for the Tulle cloth are at:
http://www.shieldextrading.net/woven_fabrics.htm
For some reason, they separate it from the actual store website.

The Cornet meter on less emf, is actually called 8 GHZ BASIC RF METER
http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html. The Basic RF meter is also nice, but
for a smaller range of frequencies (up to 3 GHz). I wouldn't recommend
these for professional use, but it's pretty good for personal use, to
get a pretty good idea of your exposure. It's very sensitive-- even
when the electrosmog detector gives silent white noise, I can
distinguish between differing levels.

Mast transmissions go through both wooden walls and windows without
reflective coating/window film-- some materials shield better than
others.

It depends-- in some situations, it's sufficient to put on the curtains
(one direction). In other situations (microwave on all directions),
then something like a Faraday cage is better. With the meter, you can
test to see what works. Yes, DECT in the neighboring room would still
be considered "near". I try to avoid DECT as much as possible. Nearby
sources can dominate over external sources b/c of their proximity. If
the cell tower radiation is too high, the cloth may not be enough-- I
usually choose a room on a lower floor if the cell tower is towards the
roof. On higher floors, it's more difficult because you still have to
get out of the tent...

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Jamieson" <john@...> wrote: (can't find
> a supplier over here).
>
> It's so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc
from
> personal experience. There's nothing on the site (that I've
found) about
> actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/
uncertain.
>
>
>
> Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don't go through
the walls
> then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes,
I
> think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be
best as
> a) it's predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround
you. Do you
> think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would
you
> have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?
>
>
>
> AH, I get you're point about getting hot in a sleeping bag,
especially as I
> like very cool air at night!
>
>
>
> Interesting about waves `getting through' and then bouncing
around inside! I
> don't think I would be too near sources, but then what's too
near? If a DECT
> base is in the same house – say another room below, that seems
pretty near
> to me!
>
>
>
> Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that
with my
> MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but
I'd love
> to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already
affect
> me.
>
> There's to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m
aprrox
> with foil patch) that's supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but
I'm sure that
> even that's not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is
required –
> do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2
??), plus
> up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe
would
> not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)
>
> I couldn't find a `Cornet' meter at lessemf :( - is that
very sensitive? [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
> emraware
> Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with 60 transparent...
> The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.
>
> ***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless
phones, meter
> to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
> floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use
it
> to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
> McAfee amcafeerr@ wrote:
> >
> > I have found that having shielding fabric directly on my skin is not
a
> > good thing. The fabric is resonating with the radiation and is
> > conducted directly onto the body and burns (fries the 1st level of
the
> > aura).
> > I find having it farther away from the body is a better solution.
For
> > outside, a tent would be a better solution than a sleeping bag or
> > clothing.
> >
> > Now, I am traveling to CA on some F---ing planes and through some
F--- F--- of So protection
> > > right up
> > > to the 6Ghz plus range (unlike Bobinet, for instance)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I thought I could simply make a sheet sleeping bag with
Naturell
> > > sown
> > > around the outside and with some kind of hood for the head, and so
> > > protect
> > > myself at night in a hotel from the major part of the pulsing
> > > microwaves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Further, it seems quite a soft material and I could make some
basic http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen\
<http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen>
\
>
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>
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Hi John,

> Zell is not much more expensive, but has a much more impressive
performance claim:

I picked Tulle b/c it is a little transparent so I can put it over my
head. It is also soft so I can make a vest out of it to wear as a
hidden, middle layer (although it's somewhat too thin so it was hard for
the person who helped me sew the vest). It's coated with silver which
I think should be relatively safe. The following looks similar to
Tulle:
http://www.next-up.org/images/Protection_voile_Antennes_Relais_09_06_200\
9.jpg

I have the Shieldex sampler set which includes Zell. Zell has a
tin-coating on one side. I'm not sure if tin is safe to touch? If you
bend it, it's more susceptible to creasing. It is not transparent and
not as flexible/soft as Tulle, so it couldn't be used for regular
clothes. However, I suppose you could use it for making a tent... or
maybe as wallpaper, although I'm using some cheaper static-shielding
roll for my wall.

> Thanks for clarifying the 8Ghz basic rf meter. It looks very good,
though
> still it goes down to only .02 V/m (20 mV/m); which is indeed more
sensitive
> than MW1 (standard), but my MW1 patched with thick silver foil is very
much
> more sensitive than standard and probably does go down to the 0.01
– 0.02
> V/m claimed.

The Basic RF meter (to 3 GHz) seems up to 10 times more sensitive than
the 8GHz basic rf meter in some instances. However, it's meant for a
smaller frequency range (to 3 GHz instead of 8 GHz).

> Does anyone know of more sensitive meters around (and not hugely
expensive -
> $499 for 8Ghz RF is about limit!)

If you want a more expensive professional meter, someone has shared this
link before:
http://microondes.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/hf-meter-comparison-en-1.p\
df

> I was suffering from a false sense of security at NOT being able to
detect
> these lower levels with my patched MW1, and so am still keen to be
able to
> measure them.

BTW, is the MW1 the same thing as the electrosmog detector, i.e., only
sound-based? I noticed that the electrosmog detector minimizes some
signals. For example, it makes DECT sound really strong, but in
contrast, a 900 MHz analog phone during a call, and Wi-Fi can sound
pretty silent on it, even though they're also pretty strong. I was
wondering why I felt slightly dizzy after testing 900 MHz analog phone,
when the electrosmog barely picked it up... until I bought the 8 GHz
Basic RF Meter. It's misleading if you rely on volume alone to estimate
the level of radiation. Hence, I prefer the numbers of the 8GHz Basic
RF Meter or Basic RF Meter. The sound pattern of electrosmog I use
mainly to determine the type of signal (wi-fi vs. cell tower vs. DECT),
but not to estimate power density.

> I should add that our house is new and lined with aluminum foil back
cavity
> insulation – this makes it like a microwave oven, so these low
intensity
> signals are bouncing around and almost certainly multiplying their
effect
> from all directions, but MW1 is one direction only (more or less) and
so may
> be missing out on these cumulative reflections, so the 8Ghz RF Meter
may
> well pick this up as it's 3-axis (`isotropic')

You want to be careful b/c these materials work by reflection, so you
want to be reflecting it away from you rather than towards you.

> When you say you still have to get out of the tent, do you mean that
so much
> gets through that it's too uncomfortable to stay in? If so, what
do you do
> then? Is it actually better out of the tent with all its reflections
going
> on inside?

What I meant is that I'm fine in the tent, but even the temporary
exposures in the room but outside the tent can affect me. So it's best
to get a room that's pretty low to begin with. :)

> I still find it incredible that we even have to have this
conversation! But
> thanks for your help again

It IS really a tragedy that we have to escape into cages...
Diane Schou wrote: "Exhibit 6 To be forced to live in a Faraday cage, a
shield from wireless communication that ¶people cannot turn off, is
inhumane. Exhibit 6-F But worse yet, deterioration of health, from
unnatural electromagnetic radiation is torture."

Apparently, many others have also taken these desperate protection
measures...
http://www.next-up.org/Newsoftheworld/ProtectionsEmfCem.php
http://www.next-up.org/pdf/AFP_France_has_its_first_radiation_free_refug\
e_in_the_Drome_09_10_2009.pdf

25 mV/m (=1.6 microWatt/sq meter) is fairly sensitive.
The Spectran HF-4060 http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html#134 is sensitive down to
10 picoWatts/sq meter. That's 160x more sensitive.
At this level, you are picking up all kinds of background.

Also, this meter http://www.lessemf.com/rf.html#481 (much eaier to use than
Spectran, and much lower cost) goes to 0.1 microWatt/sq meter. That's 16x
more sensitive.

Emil


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jamieson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:18 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with Naturell?)


Ok, part reply to my own question:

How sensitive is Cornet meter?

I found the Cornet ED85EX --RF
<http://s160930441.onlinehome.us/resources/ED85ex-1.pdf> Field Strength
power meter with SMA connector (1MHz-8GHz)

Has Wide frequency range : 1MHz to 8GHz (useful to 10GHz)

And High sensitivity : -55dBm to 0 dBm (25mV/m to 14.8V/m)



I take it 25mV/m is 0.025 V/m and so still not in a sensitive enough range -
rats!



I absolutely know I'm sensitive well below these figures, anyone have
suggestions for more sensitive meters?



Many thanks

John

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John
Jamieson
Sent: 28 June 2010 12:19
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves
(with Naturell?)





Hi emraware

Thanks so much for all this very useful info.

I have emailed the store about shipping the Tulle 60" to the UK (can't find
a supplier over here).

It's so helpful to have your feedback about resistance to DECT etc from
personal experience. There's nothing on the site (that I've found) about
actual performance figures, etc., which makes it very confusing/ uncertain.

Do you feel that nearby mast transmissions simply don't go through the walls
then? I guess that depends on the walls and how near the mast is. Yes, I
think some form of self-supporting mosquito net arrangement might be best as
a) it's predictable to set up and b) it can completely surround you. Do you
think that it should be completely enclosed, faraday style? And would you
have the bottom of it under or on top of the mattress?

AH, I get you're point about getting hot in a sleeping bag, especially as I
like very cool air at night!

Interesting about waves 'getting through' and then bouncing around inside! I
don't think I would be too near sources, but then what's too near? If a DECT
base is in the same house - say another room below, that seems pretty near
to me!

Also, I agree about scouting the hotel if you can first, I do that with my
MW1 Electrosmog Detector to get to know least saturated areas, but I'd love
to have meter that really measures down to the levels I know already affect
me.

There's to be a replacement for my MW1 (currently down to 0.02v/m aprrox
with foil patch) that's supposed to go down to 0.01v/m, but I'm sure that
even that's not enough and suspect ten times more sensitivity is required -
do you know a good meter that goes down to 0.001v/m (0.0025 µW/m2 ??), plus
up to 10Ghz, since they often go to less than 3Ghz, which I believe would
not pick up our WiMax networks now(?)

I couldn't find a 'Cornet' meter at lessemf :( - is that very sensitive?

Many thanks again

John

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
emraware
Sent: 25 June 2010 03:44
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Traveller's protection from Pulsing Microwaves (with
Naturell?)

Hi John

I can relate to your situation, since I have had to travel a lot for
work. I have tried Naturell before. In my opinion, it was not
protective enough for my needs for cordless phones/cell towers-- they
leaked thru according to the electrosmog detector. I would instead
recommend a stronger dB protection factor. I personally prefer Tulle 60
dB fabric from http://store.fine-silver-productsnet.com (from
shieldextrading.net), based in the US though. (The clothes from this
store, however, weren't strong enough in dB factor, the DECT cordless
radiation also went through it. I had someone sew something out of
Tulle fabric instead.) BTW, If you get Tulle, make sure to confirm
it's 5 feet, because they gave me 4 foot once.

If the radiation is solely external, I have had much success by just
pinning the Tulle cloth to the window curtain using plastic hanger
clips, which I can set up in < 5 minutes. However, you should get as
much of the window as you can-- no leaks... If the radiation, however,
is both internal & external, I need to make sure the hotel room has 4
places I can hook the cloth onto, or use tape. Sometimes I move around
lamps/chairs around to hook onto, if necessary. I suppose you could
make a mosquito net out of it...

I agree with Andrew that tent is preferred over sleeping bag. As a
sleeping bag, it can get pretty hot, as the cloth is also thermally
reflective, and the radiation in the air might also contribute to it.
I do, however, think wearing the cloth is okay. I wear a vest
sandwiched between 2 cotton shirts on a day-to-day basis, and when I
drive alone, drape the cloth over my head. It's slightly transparent...
The thermal qualities make it bearable both in summer and winter.

***Note the cloth is mainly helpful for low radiation (cordless phones,
cell towers, and distant cell phones). However, nearby cell phones
could make things worse if their radiation penetrates through and
bounces around. inside.

More suggestions:
(1) Try taking a multi-vitamin during travel.
(2) Choose your hotel. Ask about Cordless/Wi-Fi in advance. Check cell
tower maps like cellreception.com/antennasearch.com (UK probably has
something similar)
(3) If you have the opportunity/time to book on the spot, bring a meter
to check the hotel's outside and inside. If not too bad, find the best
floor using a meter like the Cornet meter (from lessemf.com), and use it
to give location preferences (e.g., lower floor) when checking in.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Andrew
McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: sensitive
> > enough to
> > be progressively disabled (start to get pains, lose balance, heart
> > problems)
> > by next door's old DECT (now, been replaced by an Orchid!) and
their
> > WiFi
> > slowly makes me lose concentration and focus if I stay in it all
day. my travelling, when
> > it may
> > not be so easy to escape at night.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's my idea and I'd be VERY interested in what you think
of it, works out at
> > just £26
> > per square metre)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with this material, or could
recommend http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen\
<http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequen>
<http://www.breathing-easy.net/rf-shielding-fabric/naturell-radio-frequency-
m>
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Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi John,

Your math is correct. After testing several meters I have acquired over
the years, I agree most of them only go down to the same general threshold.
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

My suggestion would be a meter that has an audio speaker, representing
the emf it detects. The Acoustimeter or MW1 can do that, but the MW1
only covers up to 3 Ghz, which gives a false sense of security with the
new 5-6 Ghz WLan etc.
The other ultra sensitive meter is Zap Checker.

Stewart


John Jamieson wrote:
> I take it 25mV/m is 0.025 V/m and so still not in a sensitive enough range –
> rats!
>
>
>
> I absolutely know I’m sensitive well below these figures, anyone have
> suggestions for more sensitive meters?
>
>