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charles-4

Testing of ES

Hello Ian,

it is a coupling of several different machines together.
I have seen different machines working, but always apart from each other,
not chained together.

One machine for instance measures the skin moisture, the hartbeat, the
temperature, EEG/EKG, while the other is a special biofeedback system, which
registrates the working of several organs.

F.i. a person was checked in a radiation-pour surrounding.
He then was exposed to a DECT phone at 1/2 meter away.
It was seen, that the liver, the pancreas and the stomach raised enormously
in value.

So persons can be measured under exposure, without asking them how they
feel.
The body reactions can be monitored instantly.

It is only a matter of having the equipment and a calibrated setup of
exposure material in electrical, magnetic and electromagnetic fields.
Also a frequency generator for frequencies from 0,5 Hz up to 200 kHz may be
interesting.

I now can measure the frequency hopping of DECT phones, and I have to
determine at which frequencies they precisely change, for different types of
those phones.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 17:11
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter

> Charles, what is the equipment that you are thinking of? What is it
> actually
> measuring and detecting?
>
> A big problem for scientific acceptance of ES is the lack of any
> externally
> measurable index (unfortunately people's reported pain can always be
> written
> off as possibly psychosomatic). If there is an actual test which measures
> something in the body (electrical signals like an ECG?) it would be very
> useful, and provide a firmer foundation for acceptance. And the purchase
> cost could be faced if it was part of a large well-funded study.
>
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> charles
>
> There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
> body when exposed.
> (When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
> instantly and can be monitored.)
>
> That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Ian Kemp

RE: Testing of ES

Thanks Charles. Was the biofeedback machine something like the "Oberon"
machine?
Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 19 August 2007 19:04
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Testing of ES

Hello Ian,

it is a coupling of several different machines together.
I have seen different machines working, but always apart from each other,
not chained together.

One machine for instance measures the skin moisture, the hartbeat, the
temperature, EEG/EKG, while the other is a special biofeedback system, which

registrates the working of several organs.

F.i. a person was checked in a radiation-pour surrounding.
He then was exposed to a DECT phone at 1/2 meter away.
It was seen, that the liver, the pancreas and the stomach raised enormously
in value.

So persons can be measured under exposure, without asking them how they
feel.
The body reactions can be monitored instantly.

It is only a matter of having the equipment and a calibrated setup of
exposure material in electrical, magnetic and electromagnetic fields.
Also a frequency generator for frequencies from 0,5 Hz up to 200 kHz may be
interesting.

I now can measure the frequency hopping of DECT phones, and I have to
determine at which frequencies they precisely change, for different types of

those phones.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 17:11
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter

[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of

> charles
>
> There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
> body when exposed.
> (When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
> instantly and can be monitored.)
>
> That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Emil at Less EMF Inc

Re: Testing of ES

In reply to this post by charles-4

> F.i. a person was checked in a radiation-pour surrounding.
> He then was exposed to a DECT phone at 1/2 meter away.
> It was seen, that the liver, the pancreas and the stomach raised
> enormously
> in value.
>
> So persons can be measured under exposure, without asking them how they
> feel.

Very interesting! Can you tell us if these were "blind" tests, meaning that
the subject did not know when DECT was turned on/off?

Emil

charles-4

Re: Testing of ES

Hello Emil,

no, it was not a *blind* test.

I gave just an example that reactions by persons can be measured upon those
persons, without any questioning them.

The BIG point is, that my starting point is, that ES people exist, and that
their body does give (non-voluntary) reactions to different exposures.
Exposures of different sources, frequencies and low levels.
It is also important to understand, that Watts are not important (only with
cancers etc) but that ES can react to very low fields, and that is a point
*scientists* do not understand.

Most other tests are only to prove that ES does not exist, that exposures
are quite harmless, and that nothing is to fear.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Less EMF Inc" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 15:42
Subject: Re: [eSens] Testing of ES

>> F.i. a person was checked in a radiation-pour surrounding.
>> He then was exposed to a DECT phone at 1/2 meter away.
>> It was seen, that the liver, the pancreas and the stomach raised
>> enormously
>> in value.
>>
>> So persons can be measured under exposure, without asking them how they
>> feel.
>
> Very interesting! Can you tell us if these were "blind" tests, meaning
> that
> the subject did not know when DECT was turned on/off?
>
> Emil
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Emil at Less EMF Inc

Re: Testing of ES

> Hello Emil,
>
> no, it was not a *blind* test.
>
> I gave just an example that reactions by persons can be measured upon
> those
> persons, without any questioning them.
>
> The BIG point is, that my starting point is, that ES people exist, and
> that
> their body does give (non-voluntary) reactions to different exposures.
> Exposures of different sources, frequencies and low levels.
> It is also important to understand, that Watts are not important (only
> with
> cancers etc) but that ES can react to very low fields, and that is a point
> *scientists* do not understand.
>
> Most other tests are only to prove that ES does not exist, that exposures
> are quite harmless, and that nothing is to fear.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens

I agree completely, except with your conclusion about the test. If not done
"blind", the knowledge by the subject that "now you are being irradiated
with DECT phone" is enough to alter their meridians.

Emil

stephen_vandevijvere

Re: Testing of ES

In reply to this post by charles-4

I'm reading an older message from Charles here on biofeedback and other machines... (electro-accupuncture?)

It seems you can measure the difference with the biofeedback and other machines of a ES-person with or without the dect-phone.

For instance in the example Charles wrote, you could see the liver, pancreas and stomach had worse results once the dect was on.

If you measure:

1. The values of the person without dect phone: "standard values"
2. The values of the person with dect phone: values are worse
3. The values of the person with dect phone + X = "standard values"

If you find X, you find the solution, right? Because in that case, at leastit would seem from the biofeedback and other machines that for that personthere's no difference between with or without dect-phone.

If you do test nr. 3 a number of times, with X varying with all those toolslike Quantum, Qlink, Bioprotect,...

This may take some time esp if you want to test it for a lot of emf sources(not only dect phone), but wouldn't that be worthwhile doing?

Stephen.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Ian,
>
> it is a coupling of several different machines together.
> I have seen different machines working, but always apart from each other,
> not chained together.
>
> One machine for instance measures the skin moisture, the hartbeat, the
> temperature, EEG/EKG, while the other is a special biofeedback system, which
> registrates the working of several organs.
>
> F.i. a person was checked in a radiation-pour surrounding.
> He then was exposed to a DECT phone at 1/2 meter away.
> It was seen, that the liver, the pancreas and the stomach raised enormously
> in value.
>
> So persons can be measured under exposure, without asking them how they
> feel.
> The body reactions can be monitored instantly.
>
> It is only a matter of having the equipment and a calibrated setup of
> exposure material in electrical, magnetic and electromagnetic fields.
> Also a frequency generator for frequencies from 0,5 Hz up to 200 kHz may be
> interesting.
>
> I now can measure the frequency hopping of DECT phones, and I have to
> determine at which frequencies they precisely change, for different typesof
> those phones.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 17:11
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Stetzerizer Meter
>
>
> > Charles, what is the equipment that you are thinking of? What is it
> > actually
> > measuring and detecting?
> >
> > A big problem for scientific acceptance of ES is the lack of any
> > externally
> > measurable index (unfortunately people's reported pain can always be
> > written
> > off as possibly psychosomatic). If there is an actual test which measures
> > something in the body (electrical signals like an ECG?) it would be very
> > useful, and provide a firmer foundation for acceptance. And the purchase
> > cost could be faced if it was part of a large well-funded study.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > charles
> >
> > There is nice equipment, which can registrate what is happening inside the
> > body when exposed.
> > (When exposed to a DECT phone, for instance the stomach and liver do react
> > instantly and can be monitored.)
> >
> > That equipment will cost about 20-30.000 Euro, which I do not have.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>