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laurel canyon
My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.

Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different reactionsto the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the furnace comes on myheart will pound hard and fast(and this is before I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the same evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start up.
 
This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an understatement.
 
I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they havemetal in them and that is out for me.
 
Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much that toeven try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
 
Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably nothinganyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy work... justfeeling at a loss about what to do.
 
I feel so exhausted.
 
 
Laurel
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Andrew McAfee
My latest theory on ES is that it is a combination of toxic overload
and viral/bacterial/mycoplasmic infection.
The viral infection produces more toxins as well as their being toxic
chemicals already in the body that have fried the nerves.

The auto-immune response and inflammation causes even more issues when
the situation becomes chronic.

I think getting the body able to handle and process the toxic load is
key. Please no detox and no aggressive maneuvers that can create more
toxic load, yet.

Rebuilding the gut is key to stop the toxins from recirculating through
the intestinal walls and with the bile. The liver is probably
underfunctioning and overburdened.

I recommend organic raw colostrum to give the gut probiotics and other
essential nutrients to get the gut working again as well as anything
else to help it work. I understand butyrate is another gut wall
rebuilder.

Experiment with a gluten free diet.

Essential fatty acids and good oils like coconut, flax, hemp, etc. are
essential.
I am trying the cottage cheese/Flax oil blend and it seems to give me
some strength.

Good oils are essential in strengthening the nerve protective lining
(Krill oil is the best source I have found for Phosphatidyl Choline).
Without the gut working, nothing that we throw into our body will work.

Without the liver working, no detox will help but will only harm.

I am convinced that we all have high grade EBV, Lyme, mycoplasmic are
similar bio-warfare infections in our systems in addition to chemicals
like Triton X-100 that react wildly to pesticides and other chemicals
that subsequently fry the nerves.

I too struggle with this on a daily basis and this is where I am in my
recovery.

At least now I am able to be in a small office with 3 cell phones on, a
cordless phone and fluorescent lights for 3 hours straight without
having an explosion.

I am getting better.

All my best to you Laurel in finding what works for you.
Andrew

On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:38 PM, laurel canyon wrote:

> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
> reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
> furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before
> I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
> anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then
> the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my
> body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a
> stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the same
> evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels
> like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and
> my heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower
> start up.
>  
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am
> living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
> change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
> understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
> understatement.
>  
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they have
> metal in them and that is out for me.
>  
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much
> that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
> have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
> minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
>  
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably
> nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy
> work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.
>  
> I feel so exhausted.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
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>  
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charles-4
Hello,

you are quite right about the immune system.
Only people with a damaged immune system got electrosensible.
(That is the reason why 75 % of people are not hindered by elektrosmog at
this moment.)
In order to get better, and raise your resistance is improving the immune
system.
There are many ways to accomplish that.

The first organ that got kicked by elektrosmog is the liver.
So liver cleansing is a first good step.
Many *ES* have got a better system by using the Hulda Clark liver cleansing
protocol, which only takes 24 hours.
That way you got rid of hundreds of gall stones as well as cholesterol
stones.
That has to be repeated several times after some weeks.

Another is by using an ionic foot spa.
Do that every other day for two weeks long.
That way, you got rid of a lot of poisons, heavy metals and other stuff you
do not want.
We own one, the IonCleanse, by a Major Difference, which is rather
expensive.
But cheaperones willdo the trick as well, as long as they make both positive
and negative ions.
And the electrodes should be stainless steel.
Adjust with a good Multivitamin.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:54 PM
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shifting


My latest theory on ES is that it is a combination of toxic overload
and viral/bacterial/mycoplasmic infection.
The viral infection produces more toxins as well as their being toxic
chemicals already in the body that have fried the nerves.

The auto-immune response and inflammation causes even more issues when
the situation becomes chronic.

I think getting the body able to handle and process the toxic load is
key. Please no detox and no aggressive maneuvers that can create more
toxic load, yet.

Rebuilding the gut is key to stop the toxins from recirculating through
the intestinal walls and with the bile. The liver is probably
underfunctioning and overburdened.

I recommend organic raw colostrum to give the gut probiotics and other
essential nutrients to get the gut working again as well as anything
else to help it work. I understand butyrate is another gut wall
rebuilder.

Experiment with a gluten free diet.

Essential fatty acids and good oils like coconut, flax, hemp, etc. are
essential.
I am trying the cottage cheese/Flax oil blend and it seems to give me
some strength.

Good oils are essential in strengthening the nerve protective lining
(Krill oil is the best source I have found for Phosphatidyl Choline).
Without the gut working, nothing that we throw into our body will work.

Without the liver working, no detox will help but will only harm.

I am convinced that we all have high grade EBV, Lyme, mycoplasmic are
similar bio-warfare infections in our systems in addition to chemicals
like Triton X-100 that react wildly to pesticides and other chemicals
that subsequently fry the nerves.

I too struggle with this on a daily basis and this is where I am in my
recovery.

At least now I am able to be in a small office with 3 cell phones on, a
cordless phone and fluorescent lights for 3 hours straight without
having an explosion.

I am getting better.

All my best to you Laurel in finding what works for you.
Andrew

On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:38 PM, laurel canyon wrote:

> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
> reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
> furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before
> I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
> anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then
> the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my
> body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a
> stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the same
> evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels
> like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and
> my heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower
> start up.
>
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am
> living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
> change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
> understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
> understatement.
>
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they have
> metal in them and that is out for me.
>
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much
> that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
> have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
> minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
>
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably
> nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy
> work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.
>
> I feel so exhausted.
>
>
> Laurel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
> inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
>
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How do you feel when you sit outside in the sunshine? I don't know
where you live and winter doesn't give us much sun, but I feel better
when I am able to be outside particularily in front of a lake.
Fortunately there is a city park across the street with a good sized
lake. It almost always feels healing for me to go sit over there, or
if it is too cold to just walk around it.

Kathy

--- In [hidden email], laurel canyon <laurelarc@...> wrote:
>
> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before
I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then
the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my body
(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a stinging/burning
sensation. This shifting takes place within the same evening. Just as
I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels like
anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my
heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start
up.
>  
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am
living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
understatement.
>  
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they
have metal in them and that is out for me.
>  
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much
that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
>  
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably
nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy
work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.

>  
> I feel so exhausted.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox
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laurel canyon
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I ask everyone who responded to be patient with me in responding back. I have not had the ability to read the responses yet. This is the first one I've read(due to elect. sens. to computer).
 
To answer your question, I do not feel better in the sun(also, there is little sun here and so very cold). This past summer, for the first time, I worsened in the sun. I felt a stinging being in the sun. I had always done pretty well in the sun before EMF sensitivity. The sun, also, has never made me feel better when I was having a reaction to a food, chemical, etc.
 
Another problem with being outside(in spring-fall) are the plants and pollens. These were never a problem before, but unfortunately the are now. It seems I have reactions to almost everything.
 
There is one thing that has improved in the past and that is from fresh air. But now that fresh air has substances that now worsen.
 
 
Laurel


--- On Mon, 26/1/09, spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
To: [hidden email]
Received: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 5:56 PM






How do you feel when you sit outside in the sunshine? I don't know
where you live and winter doesn't give us much sun, but I feel better
when I am able to be outside particularily in front of a lake.
Fortunately there is a city park across the street with a good sized
lake. It almost always feels healing for me to go sit over there, or
if it is too cold to just walk around it.

Kathy

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, laurel canyon <laurelarc@. ..> wrote:
>
> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before
I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then
the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my body
(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a stinging/burning
sensation. This shifting takes place within the same evening. Just as
I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels like
anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my
heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start
up.
>  
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am
living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
understatement.
>  
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they
have metal in them and that is out for me.
>  
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much
that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
>  
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably
nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy
work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.

>  
> I feel so exhausted.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
inbox. Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x
>
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PUK
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In a message dated 1/26/2009 10:57:07 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

How do you feel when you sit outside in the sunshine? I don't know
where you live and winter doesn't give us much sun, but I feel better
when I am able to be outside particularily in front of a lake.
Fortunately there is a city park across the street with a good sized
lake. It almost always feels healing for me to go sit over there, or
if it is too cold to just walk around it.

Kathy



PUK replies - I have just installed a woodburner in my log cabin incidentlly
I made the burner from an old gas cannister and it is fantastic, what I
notice and with relavence to this post is that I feel very calm and somewhat
restored when I am in front of the flames, so theorectically thinking, I guess
just like the lake and the sun, and other natural things these may well
rebalance our bodies from the overexposure of esmog. So the moral of the story is
get natural !


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evie15422
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A place with water always helps me, too, Kathy.  Tho sun does too.  Best of both worlds--water and sun!  :))
 
Diane

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: spiralwindintrees <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:56 PM






How do you feel when you sit outside in the sunshine? I don't know
where you live and winter doesn't give us much sun, but I feel better
when I am able to be outside particularily in front of a lake.
Fortunately there is a city park across the street with a good sized
lake. It almost always feels healing for me to go sit over there, or
if it is too cold to just walk around it.

Kathy

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, laurel canyon <laurelarc@. ..> wrote:
>
> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before
I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then
the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my body
(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a stinging/burning
sensation. This shifting takes place within the same evening. Just as
I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels like
anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my
heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start
up.
>  
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am
living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
understatement.
>  
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they
have metal in them and that is out for me.
>  
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much
that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
>  
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably
nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy
work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.

>  
> I feel so exhausted.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter
inbox. Take a look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x
>
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evie15422
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Hi, Paul,
 
Glad to hear you are finding things which help you!  The thing all of these have in common are high negative ions, right?  So, water, fire, sun (sometimes--ion atmosphere isn't always good in the sun) all help possibly for the same reasons.  Ghmmm... add lightning to that list (lol).
 
Is this a correct assumption?
Diane

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:53 AM







In a message dated 1/26/2009 10:57:07 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
aquilawolf@juno. com writes:

How do you feel when you sit outside in the sunshine? I don't know
where you live and winter doesn't give us much sun, but I feel better
when I am able to be outside particularily in front of a lake.
Fortunately there is a city park across the street with a good sized
lake. It almost always feels healing for me to go sit over there, or
if it is too cold to just walk around it.

Kathy

PUK replies - I have just installed a woodburner in my log cabin incidentlly
I made the burner from an old gas cannister and it is fantastic, what I
notice and with relavence to this post is that I feel very calm and somewhat
restored when I am in front of the flames, so theorectically thinking, I guess
just like the lake and the sun, and other natural things these may well
rebalance our bodies from the overexposure of esmog. So the moral of the story is
get natural !

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evie15422
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Hi, Laurel,  (Hugs)
 
These are the kind of reactions I get in my new (to me) house.  There is so far nothing I can do but move back to my old (MCS-riddled) house. I feel for you, because I realize this is not an option for you.  Can you go live with someone for awhile?  You said you were doing well in one place in the mtns back in the fall.  Can you go back there?  (A trip to tropical Mexico???  ;)   )
 
It sounds like you are reacting to your thermostat on your furnace clickingyour furnace on.  I do know of a furnace that doesn't use an electric thermostat.  But other than that I have no other ideas that would help you.  This furnace is not as expensive as other heating systems if you want the info--just let me know.  (But there is always the possibility that a new furnace and thermostat arrangement won't help either.)  
 
You sound like you are having autonomic nervous system reactions.  If youcan, get a doc to run a  5 HIAA 24 hour urine test to see if you are dumping serotonin.  Meanwhile, monitor your blood pressure often with a bp monitor.  Is it hi or lo?  If you are dumping serotonin, alkalizing your body is a way to go and hydrogen might help.  (Calcium and pantethine would definitely help if you could take them!  But none of these are going to stop the reactions, just make them more tolerable.)  The problem,, too, is most of the hydrogen supplementation sources are mineral.  :(  There is a water "splitter" that makes ionized alkaline water, but it is at least $1800.00, if not more by now.  But I doubt that eventhis is going to stop your reactions.  The only ideas I have to try are mineral, Laurel.  :(  I have recently found a research article that mentions manganese as being able to close tight junctions.  I am keen to trythis, but again,
it is a mineral!
 
Sorry I cannot help you more.  Hope you can go somewhere warm for awhile,
Diane
--- On Fri, 1/23/09, laurel canyon <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: laurel canyon <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:38 PM






My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.

Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different reactionsto the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the furnace comes on myheart will pound hard and fast(and this is before I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the same evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start up.
 
This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an understatement.
 
I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they have metal in them and that is out for me.
 
Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much that toeven try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
 
Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably nothinganyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy work... justfeeling at a loss about what to do.
 
I feel so exhausted.
 
 
Laurel
 
 
 
 
 
 

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> I ask everyone who responded to be patient with me in responding back. I
> have not had the ability to read the responses yet. This is the first one
> I've read(due to elect. sens. to computer).

Do you have a printer? When my ES was really bad, I would
simply print things and read them away from the computer.

Marc

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Marc Martin
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> Another problem with being outside(in spring-fall) are the plants and
> pollens. These were never a problem before, but unfortunately the are
> now. It seems I have reactions to almost everything.

If you are reacting to everything, then that is indicative of a poorly
functioning liver. You should find some way to support the liver...
some people use milk thistle herbal preparations (although I seem
to be allergy or hypersensitive to milk thistle), others use
antioxidants to help the liver out (Vitamin C, Vitamin A, etc.),
and you can also use things which bind toxins which takes some
of the load off the liver (activated charcoal, bentonite clay).
And of course, drink lots of water, but not during meals as
this interferes with digestion.

Also, you might want to look into things which help dissolve
stones which can accumulate in the liver and/or gallbladder.
Apple cider vinegar is one such item, but there are others...

Marc

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BiBrun
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How much time between when you react and the blower is heard?If it's a
fraction of a second then it could be the magnetic field
from the blower. If it's longer it could have to do with the thermostat
or with gases from the furnace.

If you can get a softheat heater by Cadet that might be better--
but to avoid chemical smells one must remove the rubber bushings
and plastic stickers and then wash or vacuum it and run it outdoors
for a day or two. It has some EMFs up close..


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi, Laurel, (Hugs)
>
> These are the kind of reactions I get in my new (to me) house. There is so
> far nothing I can do but move back to my old (MCS-riddled) house. I feel
> for you, because I realize this is not an option for you. Can you go live
> with someone for awhile? You said you were doing well in one place in the
> mtns back in the fall. Can you go back there? (A trip to tropical
> Mexico??? ;) )
>
> It sounds like you are reacting to your thermostat on your furnace clicking
> your furnace on. I do know of a furnace that doesn't use an electric
> thermostat. But other than that I have no other ideas that would help you.
> This furnace is not as expensive as other heating systems if you want the
> info--just let me know. (But there is always the possibility that a new
> furnace and thermostat arrangement won't help either.)
>
> You sound like you are having autonomic nervous system reactions. If you
> can, get a doc to run a 5 HIAA 24 hour urine test to see if you are dumping
> serotonin. Meanwhile, monitor your blood pressure often with a bp monitor.
> Is it hi or lo? If you are dumping serotonin, alkalizing your body is a
> way to go and hydrogen might help. (Calcium and pantethine would definitely
> help if you could take them! But none of these are going to stop the
> reactions, just make them more tolerable.) The problem,, too, is most of
> the hydrogen supplementation sources are mineral. :( There is a water
> "splitter" that makes ionized alkaline water, but it is at least $1800.00,
> if not more by now. But I doubt that even this is going to stop your
> reactions. The only ideas I have to try are mineral, Laurel. :( I have
> recently found a research article that mentions manganese as being able to
> close tight junctions. I am keen to try this, but again,
> it is a mineral!
>
> Sorry I cannot help you more. Hope you can go somewhere warm for awhile,
> Diane
> --- On Fri, 1/23/09, laurel canyon <[hidden email]<laurelarc%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <[hidden email] <laurelarc%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [eSens] Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:38 PM
>
>
> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different reactions
> to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the furnace comes on my
> heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before I even hear the furnace
> blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an anaphylatic type of feeling in my
> body.. difficult to describe. Then the symptom-reaction will shift. It
> shifts to a heating up of my body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other
> times.. a stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the
> same evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels
> like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my
> heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start up.
>
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am living
> like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot change as it is
> not my place where I am currently staying. No one understands my situation
> here. To say I am worried about this is an understatement.
>
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they have
> metal in them and that is out for me.
>
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much that to
> even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I have written
> before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The minerals seem to draw
> the electricity into my body.
>
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably nothing
> anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy work... just
> feeling at a loss about what to do.
>
> I feel so exhausted.
>
>
> Laurel
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My sympathies go out to you. I am also extremely electrically
sensitive, and find it harder and harder to find a quite place to
live. My sensitivities reflect in added jitteriness, disturbed sleep
and sometimes headaches. However, I do believe alot of my
sensitivities are due metal in my mouth because of accidents, which
cannot be removed without major damage to my teeth and gums.

My present computer is not a problem. I had to buy and return 4
computers and monitors before I found the one and only I could
tolerate for any length of time. I bought an desktop E-Machine T5254.
The monitor is a old Sony 15" LCD which I also went through trial and
error to find.

It is becoming harder and harder to find quiet place to live with the
proliferation of high frequency microwave products that saturate our
environment, through cell phone, broadband and broadcast antennas to
household items that emit significant and debilitating microwave
electromagnetic fields such as WIFI or wireless modem, digital
cordless phones and cell phones. Couple that with all the high
frequency products plugged into the wall which now are believed to
cause high frequency transients thru electrical lines which
supposedly emit into the room. This may be the cause of many of your
problems and not just the computer itself. As a reminder never use a
wireless modem of your computer only the wired, alot less emissions.

I have several sophisticated RF/microwave meters that measures
intensity of ambient radiation in the room so I know the readings
that make me comfortable.

The best test as to whether you are electrically sensitive is if you
are ever fortunate enough to have your power go out. If you notice an
entirely different sense of well being, it is a good indicator that
you are sensitive to the EMF radiation - what frequencies is the
problem in deciding. I know when the power went out in my house. I
felt an incredible sense of peace come over me. Because my landlord
had a generator I was still able to use my computer, however the
better feeling I had did not go away while the generator was
operating. Only when the power came back did I begin to feel the
tightness, achiness and jitteriness reappear. My meters also showed
no significant measured RF/MW reading during the time computer and
generator were operating. This tells me the computer itself is linked
to other frequency emissions in the house carried through the air and
emitted from the electric lines. The computer itself may not be the
problem without the enhancement of the other emmissions.

Another distinct test to see if you feel better is going far out into
the country and seeing if you feel differently and can tolerate more
allergens and foods. I have done this and found a significanct
difference in how I felt and slept. It is becoming harder and harder
to find such places since there is much more WIFI even in the
country, which is like a bunch of small microwave antennas placed all
over the environment and now with WIMAX broadband expansion we will
definitely be saturated with no place for physical relief.

That is why I will shortly be sending through a petition that has
been generated by an activist community of people trying to slow down
the spread of wireless microwaved devices before more is known on its
health impacts.

Presently the National Academy of Sciences it proposing a rigorous
research project on a broad range of Electromagnetic radiation
components. Website to see what the research agenda calls for:

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12036#toc

HOpe this helps

Evelyn
 

--- In [hidden email], laurel canyon <laurelarc@...> wrote:
>
>  
> I ask everyone who responded to be patient with me in responding
back. I have not had the ability to read the responses yet. This is
the first one I've read(due to elect. sens. to computer).
>  
> To answer your question, I do not feel better in the sun(also,
there is little sun here and so very cold). This past summer, for the
first time, I worsened in the sun. I felt a stinging being in the
sun. I had always done pretty well in the sun before EMF sensitivity.
The sun, also, has never made me feel better when I was having a
reaction to a food, chemical, etc.
>  
> Another problem with being outside(in spring-fall) are the plants
and pollens. These were never a problem before, but unfortunately the
are now. It seems I have reactions to almost everything.
>  
> There is one thing that has improved in the past and that is from
fresh air. But now that fresh air has substances that now worsen.

>  
>  
> Laurel
>
>
> --- On Mon, 26/1/09, spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF
keep shifting

> To: [hidden email]
> Received: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 5:56 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> How do you feel when you sit outside in the sunshine? I don't know
> where you live and winter doesn't give us much sun, but I feel
better
> when I am able to be outside particularily in front of a lake.
> Fortunately there is a city park across the street with a good
sized
> lake. It almost always feels healing for me to go sit over there,
or

> if it is too cold to just walk around it.
>
> Kathy
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, laurel canyon <laurelarc@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
> >
> > Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
> reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
> furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is
before
> I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
> anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe.
Then
> the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my
body
> (and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a
stinging/burning
> sensation. This shifting takes place within the same evening. Just
as
> I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels like
> anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my
> heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower
start
> up.
> >  
> > This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I
am
> living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
> change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
> understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
> understatement.
> >  
> > I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see
they
> have metal in them and that is out for me.
> >  
> > Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so
much
> that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
> have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
> minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
> >  
> > Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is
probably
> nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to
energy

> work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.
> >  
> > I feel so exhausted.
> >  
> >  
> > Laurel
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laurel canyon
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It is definitely from something energetic. My symptoms are such that I can tell it is not a direct reaction to any chemicals. It is not a matter of seconds.. it is a bit longer than that and it has been with each and every time the furnace starts up. To make matters more complicated, the reaction isfelt only during days in which I am already reacting to a chemical, food or other.. as it is when my system is weakest that the furnace coming on is a problem.
 
Thanks for your response.
 
Laurel
 


--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
To: [hidden email]
Received: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 2:15 PM






How much time between when you react and the blower is heard?If it's a
fraction of a second then it could be the magnetic field
from the blower. If it's longer it could have to do with the thermostat
or with gases from the furnace.

If you can get a softheat heater by Cadet that might be better--
but to avoid chemical smells one must remove the rubber bushings
and plastic stickers and then wash or vacuum it and run it outdoors
for a day or two. It has some EMFs up close..

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

> Hi, Laurel, (Hugs)
>
> These are the kind of reactions I get in my new (to me) house. There is so
> far nothing I can do but move back to my old (MCS-riddled) house. I feel
> for you, because I realize this is not an option for you. Can you go live
> with someone for awhile? You said you were doing well in one place in the
> mtns back in the fall. Can you go back there? (A trip to tropical
> Mexico??? ;) )
>
> It sounds like you are reacting to your thermostat on your furnace clicking
> your furnace on. I do know of a furnace that doesn't use an electric
> thermostat. But other than that I have no other ideas that would help you.
> This furnace is not as expensive as other heating systems if you want the
> info--just let me know. (But there is always the possibility that a new
> furnace and thermostat arrangement won't help either.)
>
> You sound like you are having autonomic nervous system reactions. If you
> can, get a doc to run a 5 HIAA 24 hour urine test to see if you are dumping
> serotonin. Meanwhile, monitor your blood pressure often with a bp monitor.
> Is it hi or lo? If you are dumping serotonin, alkalizing your body is a
> way to go and hydrogen might help. (Calcium and pantethine would definitely
> help if you could take them! But none of these are going to stop the
> reactions, just make them more tolerable.) The problem,, too, is most of
> the hydrogen supplementation sources are mineral. :( There is a water
> "splitter" that makes ionized alkaline water, but it is at least $1800.00,
> if not more by now. But I doubt that even this is going to stop your
> reactions. The only ideas I have to try are mineral, Laurel. :( I have
> recently found a research article that mentions manganese as being able to
> close tight junctions. I am keen to try this, but again,
> it is a mineral!
>
> Sorry I cannot help you more. Hope you can go somewhere warm for awhile,
> Diane
> --- On Fri, 1/23/09, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com<laurelarc%40yahoo. com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com <laurelarc%40yahoo. com>>
> Subject: [eSens] Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:38 PM
>
>
> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different reactions
> to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the furnace comes on my
> heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before I even hear the furnace
> blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an anaphylatic type of feeling inmy
> body.. difficult to describe. Then the symptom-reaction will shift. It
> shifts to a heating up of my body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other
> times.. a stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the
> same evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels
> like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and my
> heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower start up.
>
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am living
> like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot change as it is
> not my place where I am currently staying. No one understands my situation
> here. To say I am worried about this is an understatement.
>
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they have
> metal in them and that is out for me.
>
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much that to
> even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I have written
> before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The minerals seem to draw
> the electricity into my body.
>
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably nothing
> anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy work... just
> feeling at a loss about what to do.
>
> I feel so exhausted.
>
>
> Laurel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> look http://au.docs. yahoo.com/ mail/smarterinbo x
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Steph Smith
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Hi Andrew
 
This all makes complete sense to me. I have recently been reading up on root canal filled teeth and infected jab bone foci [if you google it you will probably get the work of a doctor called Issels - I think he is Hungarian?], and what I have been reading is that despite dental surgeons best effortsto sterilise a root canal they can't manage it completely and once it it filled it locks in a source of infection and toxins and the only way out forthem is through the rest of the body - I reckon that is where the constant/recurring infection and problems with toxins that I have could be coming from and I am going to look into having something done with the 2 root canalfilled teeth that I have. With ES I think it is a combination of an overloaded environment, and that there is an unhealth amount of electrosmog, hitting a body with a weak and underfunctioning system, and that the most you can do is try to find the source of the weakness in your system and
address that so that you give yourself a better chance against the Esmog. The problem I have at the moment is that I feel I am taking too much of a scattergun approach - I don't know where to start in finding what my weakness is.
 
Re the flax seed oil / cottage cheese - is that the Budwig formulation by any chance? If so how are you finding that? Where do you get organic raw colostrum?
 
Any advice would be a huge help.
 
THanks
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 25/1/09, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Symptoms worsened and body reactions to EMF keep shifting
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 4:54 PM






My latest theory on ES is that it is a combination of toxic overload
and viral/bacterial/ mycoplasmic infection.
The viral infection produces more toxins as well as their being toxic
chemicals already in the body that have fried the nerves.

The auto-immune response and inflammation causes even more issues when
the situation becomes chronic.

I think getting the body able to handle and process the toxic load is
key. Please no detox and no aggressive maneuvers that can create more
toxic load, yet.

Rebuilding the gut is key to stop the toxins from recirculating through
the intestinal walls and with the bile. The liver is probably
underfunctioning and overburdened.

I recommend organic raw colostrum to give the gut probiotics and other
essential nutrients to get the gut working again as well as anything
else to help it work. I understand butyrate is another gut wall
rebuilder.

Experiment with a gluten free diet.

Essential fatty acids and good oils like coconut, flax, hemp, etc. are
essential.
I am trying the cottage cheese/Flax oil blend and it seems to give me
some strength.

Good oils are essential in strengthening the nerve protective lining
(Krill oil is the best source I have found for Phosphatidyl Choline).
Without the gut working, nothing that we throw into our body will work.

Without the liver working, no detox will help but will only harm.

I am convinced that we all have high grade EBV, Lyme, mycoplasmic are
similar bio-warfare infections in our systems in addition to chemicals
like Triton X-100 that react wildly to pesticides and other chemicals
that subsequently fry the nerves.

I too struggle with this on a daily basis and this is where I am in my
recovery.

At least now I am able to be in a small office with 3 cell phones on, a
cordless phone and fluorescent lights for 3 hours straight without
having an explosion.

I am getting better.

All my best to you Laurel in finding what works for you.
Andrew

On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:38 PM, laurel canyon wrote:

> My symptoms have worsened in past 5 days.
>
> Besides a worsening, my symptoms will also shift to 4-5 different
> reactions to the EMF(and other energies). Everytime now that the
> furnace comes on my heart will pound hard and fast(and this is before
> I even hear the furnace blower start up). Sometimes I will feel an
> anaphylatic type of feeling in my body.. difficult to describe. Then
> the symptom-reaction will shift. It shifts to a heating up of my
> body(and sudden intense thirst) and at other times.. a
> stinging/burning sensation. This shifting takes place within the same
> evening. Just as I was writing this, I felt that feeling of what feels
> like anaphylatic shock coming on.. or a pass out type of feeling and
> my heart is racing. Shortly thereafter I heard the furnace blower
> start up.
>  
> This is scaring me. I am in a bad situation in life right now. I am
> living like a refugee and any changes to the environment I cannot
> change as it is not my place where I am currently staying. No one
> understands my situation here. To say I am worried about this is an
> understatement.
>  
> I have read about the T-shirts that can block EMF, but I see they have
> metal in them and that is out for me.
>  
> Not sure what to do. I feel so sick with EI and reactive to so much
> that to even try a new supplement or food is taking a huge risk. I
> have written before that minerals make my symptoms MUCH worse. The
> minerals seem to draw the electricity into my body.
>  
> Not sure why I am even writing about this here as there is probably
> nothing anyone can do for me. I have even had bad reactions to energy
> work... just feeling at a loss about what to do.
>  
> I feel so exhausted.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>  
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