Symptoms from my phone

Hello,

I have still not found an old cordless phone. I have been using my
corded phone. I'm thinking that's not working either. Today I woke very
agitated and anxious. I was weak and trebly. I'm wondering if any of you have
experienced such symptoms. I went to the doctor who checked vital signs and
all was well. Blood was drawn and I'll get results I doubt that anything
will show up and my doctor in not familiar with Electrical Sensitivity.



Estelle


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Estelle, I thought I provided a link to someone online who was
selling the exact model of cordless phone that you were looking
for?

But yes, corded phones can certainly cause problems. Especially
if they need to be plugged into an outlet because they need it
for the caller ID or something else. I don't have any problems
with the corded phones I've got in my house, which are a mix
of GE and Panasonic corded phones (all purchased within the
past several years)

At work I've got a VOIP (Internet) corded phone with LCD display...
I try to keep my distance from it, but there's so many nasty EMF
sources at work that I think that VOIP phone is the least
of my problems!

Marc

> Hello,
>
> I have still not found an old cordless phone. I have been using my
> corded phone. I'm thinking that's not working either. Today I woke very
> agitated and anxious. I was weak and trebly. I'm wondering if any of
> you have
> experienced such symptoms.

Hi Estelle. I wake up that way every morning. I have the symptoms all day long. It's been 13 years since I started having symptoms of ES. Only about 8years with the anxious, trembly and sick feeling. I don't do well on prescription medications, so I have suffered much. I have tried herbs and vitamins. They help some. Emf jewelry, helped very little. Safespace and earth calm not at all. 5 days at the beach in Mexico, cooking for 120 kids, I started feeling better.(I do this every summer for about 6 years)Then..... I come home and get sick again in about 2 hours.
All my tests come back normal, I have heart palpitation regularly now. Especially at night. Melatonin tea helps me sleep. I try not to use things that help me, to often. I am Borg, I will adapt (they stop working on me). Keeping really busy helps keep my mind off "Me". That isn't working these days. I don't use my cell phone much. I suck the life out of the batteries. They don't last long.
Enough about me. I hope you find the phone you are looking for.
May we all have Peace
Linda

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Hello LInda,

Thank you for responding. At least I know I am not alone with these
horrible symptoms.
A member on this site found a phone that I may have used long ago that was
good for me.
I have to find out if it's digital before I buy it.

When I go away to visit a friend and am not on the phone at all I am so
much better. Now I know why.

I think I am not compatible with the 21st Century. I have a friend who
lives in Qaxaca, Mexico and it would be great if I could go and visit but my
job keeps me here. Part of my job is on the phone and that's not good so I'm
still searching.

Be well,

Estelle


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> Safespace and earth calm not at all.

I've had good luck with some EMF devices, but not those two -- Safespace
just made things worse, as I recall. Earthcalm helps a little, though,
if used in short bursts.

> All my tests come back normal

Regular MD's could never find anything wrong with me, even when I
was "near death". However, get some lab tests done by alternative
docs, and they'll probably find all sorts of things wrong with
you. For me, they found liver dysfunction, high toxic heavy
metals, high toxic chemicals, "impossible" hormone levels, etc.

Marc

I just got the stetzerizer filters. I installed them yesterday. I don’t feel any different yet. I hope they will help. At least until I can get out of this house. I might have to go live in a tent somewhere. I feel like this house is killing me. My pulse rate is 98. I haven’t even done anything. Blood pressure is a little high 131/76. My heart is always pounding lately. I have so many symptoms. I went to a Fibromyalgia DR last year. He ran a bunch of weird blood tests. He said I have Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and menopausal syndrome. I spent $ 1700. On 2 visits. I ran outof money. I didn’t have toxic chemicals. My hormone are messed up.I feel like my heart is running down.

Linda

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Martin
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone

 

 

> Safespace and earth calm not at all.

I've had good luck with some EMF devices, but not those two -- Safespace
just made things worse, as I recall. Earthcalm helps a little, though,
if used in short bursts.

> All my tests come back normal

Regular MD's could never find anything wrong with me, even when I
was "near death". However, get some lab tests done by alternative
docs, and they'll probably find all sorts of things wrong with
you. For me, they found liver dysfunction, high toxic heavy
metals, high toxic chemicals, "impossible" hormone levels, etc.

Marc





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I feel so bad for you. I share some of the same symptoms and I know how
devastating that can be.

Hormone imbalances can wreck havoc that's for sure. I have experienced
that myself. Read all you can about how to balance hormones naturally.
There are some good books out there. At the moment I can't remember a title to
recommend but read, and read.

I have been battling chronic fatigue because I had Epstein Barr Virus. I'm
much better now but I did have to change the way I live to some extent.

Estelle


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Puk replies - Linda how is the quality of your sleep, if you are in major  
sleep deficit then this will make things a million times worse. Where is  
your hope, dont let it slip away, keep focusing on your journey toward this  
hope.
 
 
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[hidden email] writes:

I just got the stetzerizer filters. I installed them yesterday. I don’t
feel any different yet. I hope they will help. At least until I can get out
of this house. I might have to go live in a tent somewhere. I feel like this
house is killing me. My pulse rate is 98. I haven’t even done anything.
Blood pressure is a little high 131/76. My heart is always pounding lately. I
have so many symptoms. I went to a Fibromyalgia DR last year. He ran a
bunch of weird blood tests. He said I have Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and
menopausal syndrome. I spent $ 1700. On 2 visits. I ran out of money. I didn’
t have toxic chemicals. My hormone are messed up. I feel like my heart is
running down.  

Linda


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puk replies get yourself a speaker phone so that you can keep your distance


In a message dated 11/06/2010 01:01:17 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hello,
>
> I have still not found an old cordless phone. I have been using my
> corded phone. I'm thinking that's not working either. Today I woke very
> agitated and anxious. I was weak and trebly. I'm wondering if any of you
have
> experienced such symptoms. I went to the doctor who checked vital signs
and
> all was well. Blood was drawn and I'll get results I doubt that anything
> will show up and my doctor in not familiar with Electrical Sensitivity.
>
>
>
> Estelle



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puk replies - The voip phone may well me the worst ! it will likely bring
to your ear/head all the nasty jumble of frquencies from the computer
network in your office so be wary, corded phones need to be filtered these days
as the amount of alien RF on the line will pass to you via the handset,


In a message dated 10/06/2010 23:00:55 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

But yes, corded phones can certainly cause problems. Especially
if they need to be plugged into an outlet because they need it
for the caller ID or something else. I don't have any problems
with the corded phones I've got in my house, which are a mix
of GE and Panasonic corded phones (all purchased within the
past several years)

At work I've got a VOIP (Internet) corded phone with LCD display...
I try to keep my distance from it, but there's so many nasty EMF
sources at work that I think that VOIP phone is the least
of my problems!



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Hi, Estelle,
 
Sorry to hear of your worsening health.  Yes, when I was at my worst, I did not do well with a corded phone either.  (I also did better withthe Panasonic 2.4 Ghz cordless on speakerphone function.)  And recently, I had phone jacks put in at my other house and I did not tolerate the corded phone there either.  However, by accident, my phone jacks had to be reinstalled--long story, but I was having the entire house rewired and the electrician pulled the jack out of the wall to move it and "misplaced" the jacks.  (They got relocated to the "circular file".  lol)  Anyway, when he finally replaced the jacks, the ones he used did not bother me!  They have "out-gassing" issues, but now I can call without problems!  lol
 
So, what has changed for you?  Have you had a new jack installed?  New electrics?  Gone to a new corded phone?  Is something different outside your house--new wifi/broadband towers or the way the calls are being handled by the phone company?  Has your phone been "grounded"differently?  If you can say no to all of these....  have you been newly toxified somehow?  With pesticides, herbicides, taken alot ofantibiotics, gotten new dental work lately?  Gotten alot of scans, sonograms, MRIs, Xrays..... lately?  If yes to these, you need to detox successfully. 
 
Did you try to buy another panasonic 2.4 Ghz phone from the site Marc shared over Memorial day weekend, Estelle?  I did--they gave me a run around and asked me to call back another day.  I had company all that week and didn't get to call back. 
 
I hope you can pinpoint your new phone problem.  Good luck,
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] Symptoms from my phone
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 5:33 PM


 



Hello,

I have still not found an old cordless phone. I have been using my
corded phone. I'm thinking that's not working either. Today I woke very
agitated and anxious. I was weak and trebly. I'm wondering if any of you have
experienced such symptoms. I went to the doctor who checked vital signs and
all was well. Blood was drawn and I'll get results I doubt that anything
will show up and my doctor in not familiar with Electrical Sensitivity.



Estelle

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Hi again, Marc,
 
I even had problems with a corded Panasonic phone which was not plugged into electrics.  I think it was due to a problem with the jack, tho.
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Symptoms from my phone
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 5:59 PM


 



Estelle, I thought I provided a link to someone online who was
selling the exact model of cordless phone that you were looking
for?

But yes, corded phones can certainly cause problems. Especially
if they need to be plugged into an outlet because they need it
for the caller ID or something else. I don't have any problems
with the corded phones I've got in my house, which are a mix
of GE and Panasonic corded phones (all purchased within the
past several years)

At work I've got a VOIP (Internet) corded phone with LCD display...
I try to keep my distance from it, but there's so many nasty EMF
sources at work that I think that VOIP phone is the least
of my problems!

Marc

> Hello,
>
> I have still not found an old cordless phone. I have been using my
> corded phone. I'm thinking that's not working either. Today I woke very
> agitated and anxious. I was weak and trebly. I'm wondering if any of
> you have
> experienced such symptoms.








     

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Hi again, Estelle,

I think the Panasonic 2.4 ghz I used--which you said was the same model youused--said it WAS digital on it.  I usually do not do well with digital anything but I did okay with that phone on speakerphone function.  (I did have it set to the analog setting tho--is this what you mean, no more analog setting/only digital?)  I have wondered whether the refurbished phone may have been changed, but there is unfortunately no way to know without trying it.  I checked, tho, that phone sells for only $30, so it isn't like I would lose a fortune if it didn't work.  I just never got to call back on it.  I think it was $30 with shipping.
 
Diane
 
 
 

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 8:08 PM


 



Hello LInda,

Thank you for responding. At least I know I am not alone with these
horrible symptoms.
A member on this site found a phone that I may have used long ago that was
good for me.
I have to find out if it's digital before I buy it.

When I go away to visit a friend and am not on the phone at all I am so
much better. Now I know why.

I think I am not compatible with the 21st Century. I have a friend who
lives in Qaxaca, Mexico and it would be great if I could go and visit but my
job keeps me here. Part of my job is on the phone and that's not good so I'm
still searching.

Be well,

Estelle

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Diane, I am in such bad shape now that I won't try a digital anything.
I'll be searching in used shops for a very old phone that is not digital. My
body has taking a beating with this digital technology and I have to rest
myself to come back to some sort of normal. I've told friends and family
that they can send me a text or email if we can't talk face to face.
My nervous system is shot for now.

Estelle


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Hi, Linda,
 
Linda, I want to write you a long letter, but don't have the time today, maybe.  I have all the types of problems you have--I was not ES exactly like the others here most of my life, I was ES like you are.  I stopped watches, drained batteries, crashed electronics.....  Then in 2006, I had a particularly bad pesticide episode and I became more ES--just like everyone else here.  Sooooo, just a warning to be careful not to expose yourself to any toxins if you can help it.
 
Unlike Marc, I have many dxes from regular MDs (and you *might* be able to find PARTICULAR problems thru tests if you know what to look for).  But I agree with Marc, that it is often easier and more practical for us--due to our multiple "unique" problems--to go thru alternative medicine channels.  I can explain this more if I had the time, butin the meantime, I will try to send you a private letter later today with some things I have found which particularly help. 
 
Good luck, Dear.  I wish you sucess,
 
Diane/Evie 

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 9:15 PM


 



> Safespace and earth calm not at all.

I've had good luck with some EMF devices, but not those two -- Safespace
just made things worse, as I recall. Earthcalm helps a little, though,
if used in short bursts.

> All my tests come back normal

Regular MD's could never find anything wrong with me, even when I
was "near death". However, get some lab tests done by alternative
docs, and they'll probably find all sorts of things wrong with
you. For me, they found liver dysfunction, high toxic heavy
metals, high toxic chemicals, "impossible" hormone levels, etc.

Marc








     

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Hi again Linda,
 
You might need testing for autonomic nervous system disorder, if you haven't already been dxed.  There are meds for it, but I have found other things which work, since I also have problems taking meds.  Since you mention being better in Mexico....  is there a large forested area or large body of water where you live?  I like to hang out, when I have thetime,
at a well forested state park where there is a white water river with a waterfall.  I sit on the ground in the forest there, put my feet in the river while sitting on the rocks, or go hiking in conductive shoes along the shore or in the forest.  This allows my excess "electricity" that my body stores to leave my body.  If possible I go twice aweek.  I have been particularly busy lately, so don't get there oftenand I see it makes a huge (negative) difference after a while.
 
Do you have any gut issues, Linda?  Do you ever get the chills or sweats?  What about your temperature--is it lower or higher than normal ona fairly regular basis?  Your bp is high, while mine plummets, but I have had problems in the past with all the rest that you mention.  I have also been dxed with fibro and cfs--spent a boatload on meds/tests/cures.  Best cure--dealing with lymphatics and gut issues.  I will tryto send some info privately on this, as I have shared this info here many times.
 
My best wishes,
Diane/Evie
 
 


--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Linda Silva <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Linda Silva <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 11:28 PM


 



I just got the stetzerizer filters. I installed them yesterday. I don’t feel any different yet. I hope they will help. At least until I can get out of this house. I might have to go live in a tent somewhere. I feel like this house is killing me. My pulse rate is 98. I haven’t even done anything. Blood pressure is a little high 131/76. My heart is always pounding lately. I have so many symptoms. I went to a Fibromyalgia DR last year. He ran a bunch of weird blood tests. He said I have Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and menopausal syndrome. I spent $ 1700. On 2 visits. I ran out of money. I didn’t have toxic chemicals. My hormone are messed up. Ifeel like my heart is running down.

Linda

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Martin
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone

> Safespace and earth calm not at all.

I've had good luck with some EMF devices, but not those two -- Safespace
just made things worse, as I recall. Earthcalm helps a little, though,
if used in short bursts.

> All my tests come back normal

Regular MD's could never find anything wrong with me, even when I
was "near death". However, get some lab tests done by alternative
docs, and they'll probably find all sorts of things wrong with
you. For me, they found liver dysfunction, high toxic heavy
metals, high toxic chemicals, "impossible" hormone levels, etc.

Marc

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PS: I have never used Stetzer filters, but I love the Quantum Pro.  I can't say whether it will help you or not, tho, Linda.

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Linda Silva <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Linda Silva <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 11:28 PM


 



I just got the stetzerizer filters. I installed them yesterday. I don’t feel any different yet. I hope they will help. At least until I can get out of this house. I might have to go live in a tent somewhere. I feel like this house is killing me. My pulse rate is 98. I haven’t even done anything. Blood pressure is a little high 131/76. My heart is always pounding lately. I have so many symptoms. I went to a Fibromyalgia DR last year. He ran a bunch of weird blood tests. He said I have Fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and menopausal syndrome. I spent $ 1700. On 2 visits. I ran out of money. I didn’t have toxic chemicals. My hormone are messed up. Ifeel like my heart is running down.

Linda

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Martin
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Symptoms from my phone

> Safespace and earth calm not at all.

I've had good luck with some EMF devices, but not those two -- Safespace
just made things worse, as I recall. Earthcalm helps a little, though,
if used in short bursts.

> All my tests come back normal

Regular MD's could never find anything wrong with me, even when I
was "near death". However, get some lab tests done by alternative
docs, and they'll probably find all sorts of things wrong with
you. For me, they found liver dysfunction, high toxic heavy
metals, high toxic chemicals, "impossible" hormone levels, etc.

Marc

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> PS: I have never used Stetzer filters, but I love the Quantum Pro.  I
> can't say whether it will help you or not, tho, Linda.

Yes, the Stetzer filters and the Quantum Pro are two completely different
approaches to noise reduction, and it seems impossible to predict whether
one person will react favorably to either.

Marc

What is quantum pro?

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From: [hidden email]
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:42:53 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Stetzer


















 



 


   
     
     
> PS: I have never used Stetzer filters, but I love the Quantum Pro. I

> can't say whether it will help you or not, tho, Linda.



Yes, the Stetzer filters and the Quantum Pro are two completely different

approaches to noise reduction, and it seems impossible to predict whether

one person will react favorably to either.



Marc




   
     

   
   






       
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So sorry to hear how bad you are right now, Estelle!  Have you been trying to detox alot?  I was my worst after huge detoxing.  Kind ofa catch22, we need to detox, but then when we do, it often makes us worse,at least temporarily.  I hope you feel better soon, Dear.
 
My thoughts and hopes are with you,
Diane/Evie

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Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 11:56 AM


 



Diane, I am in such bad shape now that I won't try a digital anything.
I'll be searching in used shops for a very old phone that is not digital. My
body has taking a beating with this digital technology and I have to rest
myself to come back to some sort of normal. I've told friends and family
that they can send me a text or email if we can't talk face to face.
My nervous system is shot for now.

Estelle

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