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Steampunk
Hello everyone, I'm still trying to convince myself of having EHS. I have extreme insomnia and have bought a emf meter the gq-emf 380, amazing meter, the best there is, and under $100. But anyways, I seem to have alot of the basic symptoms, I've been into amateur radio for years and understand RF very well. But  it seems I need some sure fire thing to convince  me. Using a tablet or phone I get a numb burning like sensation so far. I reduced the emf in my living quarters to the point the highly sensitive meter reads 0.0 recently and have actually been able to sleep, removed all plugged in devices, used oil lamp or candle for light  in my living quarters.

Anyone got any thoughts? Somthing a little more definite maby?

I've posted before, pretty much asking the same questions...

Thanks

Wolf
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raptor2990
Find someone who tests for HSP70 or others:

http://bcn.boulder.co.us/health/rmeha/rmehbiom.htm

 They regard changes in the following body chemicals as biomarkers for MCS and EHS -

    High Sensitivity C Reactive Protein
    Vitamins D2, D3
    Histamine
    IgE
    Protien S100B
    Nitrotyosine
    Heat shock protiens HSP 27 and HSP 70
    Anti-O-myelin autoantibodies
    Hydroxy-melatonin sulfate

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26613326

Confirming animal experiments showing the increase of Hsp27 and/or Hsp70 chaperone proteins under the influence of EMF, we found increased Hsp27 and/or Hsp70 in 33% of the patients. As most patients reported chronic insomnia and fatigue, we determined the 24 h urine 6-hydroxymelatonin sulfate (6-OHMS)/creatinin ratio and found it was decreased (<0.8) in all investigated cases.


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Jinna
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I've been taking notes about my sleeping patterns for at least 12 years, since I first realized I was EHS.

Your findings are consistent with mine. The difference is that I have no single doubt that e-smog affects my sleep, my daughter's sleep and even non EHS sleep (they sleep less deep too).

Numbness is very common. Then cold hands, extremities. Some headache, malaise...

Then food allergies, chemical sensitivities, anxiety, gut problems, nerves get sensitive etc.
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sailplane
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Steampunk wrote
Hello everyone, I'm still trying to convince myself of having EHS. I have extreme insomnia and have bought a emf meter the gq-emf 380, amazing meter, the best there is, and under $100. But anyways, I seem to have alot of the basic symptoms, I've been into amateur radio for years and understand RF very well. But  it seems I need some sure fire thing to convince  me. Using a tablet or phone I get a numb burning like sensation so far. I reduced the emf in my living quarters to the point the highly sensitive meter reads 0.0 recently and have actually been able to sleep, removed all plugged in devices, used oil lamp or candle for light  in my living quarters.

Anyone got any thoughts? Somthing a little more definite maby?

I've posted before, pretty much asking the same questions...

Thanks

Wolf
It's simple! If you can now sleep again... try sleeping with something plugged in. Or get someone to randomly plug it in or not without you knowing, and then see if you can sleep... eventually you should be able to know when something is on because you won't be able to sleep, or sleep very bad..
That's how we figured it out.. Randomly something was plugged in, and it coincided with bad or good sleep..  You can do that with the wifi router or something..

Your insomnia could be caused by blue light as well, from computers/phones, LED light bulbs, etc..

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Steampunk
Thanks for the replys everyone! The bloodtests sound interesting, Im not sure why I didnt think of it. Sailplane, your thoughts sound dead on, I had just found an electrical wire radiating into the room I sleep in, right at the head of my bed.....
The blue light this is plausable, everyone expects me to use some device constantly, my relatives, work, human society seems to just put any and all info on the internet these days. I used to work in IT and got out of it because I got tired of gawking at a screen all day. I live with relatives so.I cant turn ny circuit breaker off to my living area since it affects multiple rooms. It doesn't help when your relatives think your crazy just talking about EHS. I wish I could go to a radio blackout area and see if I feel any better, like the one in west va. Is closest to me.
I feel like im conviced, my relatives make me question it sometimes, tell me not to talk to other people about it so I dont look crazy....



Thanks again everyone!

Wolf
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raptor2990
Blue light can be mitigated on phones and PC with an app called f.lux

Bedrooms can be painted with graphene paint such as those made by YShield, then connected to house ground or a dedicated ground in order to block electric fields from surrounding your bed
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Jinna
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Wolf, welcome to the EHS world.

It's not a nice world, though, because of this isolation feeling, at first.

But the community is getting bigger and I have no shame to speak.

There are SO MANY studies proving harm of microwave radiation, so what you gotta do is arm yourself with such studies not to be caught on short pants.


There are many too many things wrong with our society and make believe everything is just fine, just shut up to feel 'part of' this dumb and blind society does not make me feel proud.

On the contrary.

I feel proud to be different, to think different, to go exactly to the other way when everybody sheeps and go the same road down.

I'd rather be lonely and a weirdo than a beautiful rose flower in a pot believing "I belong to this living room", when I actually don't.

If you conform, shut your mouth and hide, nothing will ever change.

You give them a reason to believe they are right, that you are inventing everything, meaning, you are wrong, you shouldn't be showing symptoms, or maybe you are just lazy, crazy, or other things people call.

Waiting for 5G with your mouth close is like admitting we're also blind and that we accept 5G, and that companies are right to earn money OVER your health, your children's health, your family's health just so that people can watch more youtube videos, play games and send more stupid videos to one another in their 'SMART' phones and some few guys can become very rich.

Don't be shy, and don't hide your 'problems' / symptoms.

It's not yours, it is caused by an invasion of your privacy (your body is made of electricity and microwave radiation is making it ill).

The proof: you would like to get protected but you can't.

It's all in THEIR minds. If their minds were a bit more open, they would have compassion and let the door open for understanding.


If someone was putting a poisonous gas under your front door, would you be trying to hide and protect the doer?

No one believed me, until my daughter started to show symptoms.

Then they believed HER, because she was a child, and truly showed problems. Well, they didn't actually believe her, but somehow, they did not make fun of her because she became ill, with symptoms and looked bad.

Have you got smart meters around your house / neighbors?
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Steampunk

Thanks Jinna, I live quite isolated with my relatives, we dont have snart meters around here yet, but I can see a 4G tower from my house. I guess what im trying to do is probe to myself the correlation of symtoms and cause. Everyone constantly tells me im wrong about everything in life... It is quite lonely, I haven't had real friends in years, I find 99% of people fake.

Wolf

Wolf

On Feb 26, 2019 3:44 PM, "Jinna [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Wolf, welcome to the EHS world.

It's not a nice world, though, because of this isolation feeling, at first.

But the community is getting bigger and I have no shame to speak.

There are SO MANY studies proving harm of microwave radiation, so what you gotta do is arm yourself with such studies not to be caught on short pants.


There are many too many things wrong with our society and make believe everything is just fine, just shut up to feel 'part of' this dumb and blind society does not make me feel proud.

On the contrary.

I feel proud to be different, to think different, to go exactly to the other way when everybody sheeps and go the same road down.

I'd rather be lonely and a weirdo than a beautiful rose flower in a pot believing "I belong to this living room", when I actually don't.

If you conform, shut your mouth and hide, nothing will ever change.

You give them a reason to believe they are right, that you are inventing everything, meaning, you are wrong, you shouldn't be showing symptoms, or maybe you are just lazy, crazy, or other things people call.

Waiting for 5G with your mouth close is like admitting we're also blind and that we accept 5G, and that companies are right to earn money OVER your health, your children's health, your family's health just so that people can watch more youtube videos, play games and send more stupid videos to one another in their 'SMART' phones and some few guys can become very rich.

Don't be shy, and don't hide your 'problems' / symptoms.

It's not yours, it is caused by an invasion of your privacy (your body is made of electricity and microwave radiation is making it ill).

The proof: you would like to get protected but you can't.

It's all in THEIR minds. If their minds were a bit more open, they would have compassion and let the door open for understanding.


If someone was putting a poisonous gas under your front door, would you be trying to hide and protect the doer?

No one believed me, until my daughter started to show symptoms.

Then they believed HER, because she was a child, and truly showed problems. Well, they didn't actually believe her, but somehow, they did not make fun of her because she became ill, with symptoms and looked bad.

Have you got smart meters around your house / neighbors?


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Jinna
I'm glad you see that, Wolf.

Esmog raises anxiety to peak levels.

that's another reason we can't sleep deep.

EHS will only happen when your nerves are ALREADY affected, meaning, you are already on a fight and flight mode, 'afraid' inside your you, trying to escape something invisible that feels invading, aggressive, threatening, but as you don't know, you just feel unsafe, doubtful.

Well, now you know. Just because we don't see, it does not mean it does not cause harm.

Same as microbes in the past.

So all EHS people are in a more delicate position: they ARE oversensitive because that is the nature of their 'disease'.

And the fear-side of it - the excess of adrenaline rushing in your veins, non stop, day and night and specially at night ,with nightmares etc - makes you feel a crazy person, insecure.

We wake up tired after nightmares or bad sleep, in bad mood, then anxiety does not drop unless you can go rest in an electrosmog free place, earth / ground yourself etc. Of course, there is a sort of profile for people who suffer from EHS: nervous, anxious, frightened, tired, bad mood, etc.

It fits to the crazy picture people would like to stick to you.

But that's not you: that's you affected by potent radiation.
You, with your survival instincts, trying to figure out what to do.

Your 'weakness' - sensitivity to radiation - is in fact a sort of strength. Like the canary bird in the mine.

I hope you can improve. There are ways. But don't just think you are wrong and the others are right, when it's exactly the opposite.

google Barrie Trower. The frequency of cell phones we use is due to him. He sort of repented and now is trying to warn everyone about the problem of wifi, cell phone radiation etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99_SzoXZdY

This is just one short video, he's got many, very interesting videos.
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Steampunk

I'll check the cell phone frequencies up, I was a ham radio operator for some time... Jinna may I ask what types of EMF affect you the most? Everyone? I know RF is a big factor, and the EMF from power lines outside and inside.

Wolf

On Feb 27, 2019 11:33 AM, "Jinna [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm glad you see that, Wolf.

Esmog raises anxiety to peak levels.

that's another reason we can't sleep deep.

EHS will only happen when your nerves are ALREADY affected, meaning, you are already on a fight and flight mode, 'afraid' inside your you, trying to escape something invisible that feels invading, aggressive, threatening, but as you don't know, you just feel unsafe, doubtful.

Well, now you know. Just because we don't see, it does not mean it does not cause harm.

Same as microbes in the past.

So all EHS people are in a more delicate position: they ARE oversensitive because that is the nature of their 'disease'.

And the fear-side of it - the excess of adrenaline rushing in your veins, non stop, day and night and specially at night ,with nightmares etc - makes you feel a crazy person, insecure.

We wake up tired after nightmares or bad sleep, in bad mood, then anxiety does not drop unless you can go rest in an electrosmog free place, earth / ground yourself etc. Of course, there is a sort of profile for people who suffer from EHS: nervous, anxious, frightened, tired, bad mood, etc.

It fits to the crazy picture people would like to stick to you.

But that's not you: that's you affected by potent radiation.
You, with your survival instincts, trying to figure out what to do.

Your 'weakness' - sensitivity to radiation - is in fact a sort of strength. Like the canary bird in the mine.

I hope you can improve. There are ways. But don't just think you are wrong and the others are right, when it's exactly the opposite.

google Barrie Trower. The frequency of cell phones we use is due to him. He sort of repented and now is trying to warn everyone about the problem of wifi, cell phone radiation etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99_SzoXZdY

This is just one short video, he's got many, very interesting videos.


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Jinna
As far as I observed, the worse for me are wifi, tablets / smart phones when I'm touching these.

I used to have problems in trains (around me there were literally dozens of smart phones + computers all wireless).

During the day, if I move around, I feel less problems.

The problem is when I need to stay put somewhere, and then, even a place that looked 'friendly' at first will start to take tolls. I think it's better to get a varied exposure than a single exposure long time (I mean, even if the exposure is low insensitivity, the time of exposure is what harms more, in my feeling).

Another terrible one are cars. The more gadgets they have, the worse I feel.

Wait, I'll try to find a video for you. My doctor participated in a study from a university and they branched electrodes in his brain to see what happens when he drives the car. The result let me mouth open.

I put it here, sometime ago, let's see if I find the video. It's a short video, in German, but you may watch the images - they speak by themselves, as they show the electroencephalogram graphics!!!


Museums, libraries, places with strong wifi were awful too.

But I'm pretty sure it varies from person to person. I think we need to get a sort of sensitivization.

Same as an allergy: if you got the same frequency for too long and once got harmed by it (like you felt cold, had a headache, felt vomiting, could not sleep etc), next time you get that same frequency, the body already over reacts to that frequency.

it's a bit like an allergy. That's what I feel.

If I then get another equally harmful frequency, but my body does not know much about it, I react less.

it's the repetition, the long term exposure that counts.

Know that you can treat some part of it - with heavy metal detox, and adding some nutrients /minerals and with earthing / grounding....


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Jinna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_CazTB_zas

Here is the video.

My doctor appears from minute 2.00. The researcher puts wires on his head.

The video is only 9 minutes long. Start from 2 minutes, you'll get the idea even if you don't speak German.

you can show that to your family.

All these studies are done by the university in Germany and the lab rat driver is my doctor!!

At 2.46, they show his electroencephalogram when the car is OFF.

3.42, the car is still OFF, but he just turns off the cooler/heater and w-lan: already some excited waves in his brain appear.

4.10,electroencephalogram when  they turn on bluetooth.

4.32, electroencephalogram  when WLAN is on. Then it's a sort of explosion of brain waves!!!!

5.46, electroencephalogram  when the car is on the move, with all previous devices ON.
You won't believe what happens.

You gotta see this and show to everybody in your house!


when his brainwaves were at the worst, the driver said this: 'I feel nothing bad, nothing good. We don't have any sensitive area of the body that will feel something, like pain, cold nothing. So I can't say if I'm affected exactly now.'

He only said that after driving long with his car, he usually feels tired, and that is why he wanted to know what's going on.