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Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters

judyl_nev
Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?

Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.

Judy

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Laurie Corbeil
Hi Judy,
Do you have an RF meter to measure the transmissions? It must be emitting pulsed microwaves. Get as far away from it as possible and get someone with an RF meter to measure it. Can you put something like a metal mesh over it to block the emissions? See Youtube video: How To Foil A Smart Meter.
 

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Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?

Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.

Judy

   
         

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Aimee-2
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Hi Judy
I belong to the BC Canada class action lawsuit and we are asking to have the OPT-OUT back to analog meters!   Please read this link from the website I belong to.  It will explain alot to you.
I don't know what else to say about how you have been feeling.  Isn't analog the meter you had before smart meters?
http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/Replacing-A-Smart-Meter-With-A-Safe-Analog-Meter-US,16,1647
 
It actually applies to Americans but Canadians need to pay attention.   Please keep me posted on this.  Even off board if you like, I dont mind. I dont pretend to know all that much about all this but am learning.  Mabye we can help each other lol.
 
good luck
Aimee


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Subject: [eSens] Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters
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Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013, 11:35 PM


Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?

Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.

Judy



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judyl_nev
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Hi and thanks.

I have an RF meter on order, not cheap... Problems with the order, I'm really unhappy about.  I need the meter!

I found out that you do not want to foil a meter the way the video shows... you would be reflecting microwaves more concentrated into the house! Not good. You have to shield behind the meter, or reflect the rays away from the building.

Thanks,
Judy



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> Hi Judy,
> Do you have an RF meter to measure the transmissions? It must be emitting pulsed microwaves. Get as far away from it as possible and get someone with an RF meter to measure it. Can you put something like a metal mesh over it to block the emissions? See Youtube video: How To Foil A Smart Meter.

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judyl_nev
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Hi Aimee,

Can I move to Canada? I'd really appreciate living somewhere where they actually care about the people and respect their input and health. I would really like to see other areas sue somebody!  This smart meter thing seems to be a government funded thing, so makes you wonder a lot of things...  it's referred to as a military deployment. A bit scary!

My old meter was replaced with a new meter that is called an analog meter. I and others think it is deceitful and has the same capabilities as a smart meter. It just LOOKS like an analog. My old meter didn't make me feel this way. My sister has one too. Whatever it does, if you have a pain problem of any kind, it multiplies the pain. It seems to pour electricity into your body. I believe it adds to or magnifies dirty electricity. I'm trying to address that aspect also.

In California a numer of cities have declared smart meters illegal,  but it doesn't seem to carry much weight. The power companies seem to be backed and funded by the govt.

There are videos where people are begging the public utilities panel to return their old analog meter. The PUC and the power utilities turn a deaf ear and show cold dead hearts.

We don't seem to have much going on here to fight the smart grid. There was an outcry, and some attended meetings. I wrote a letter to the PUC, explaining about being EHS. I also told them the smart meters might harm someone in their home or work. I included some research.  This is hardly mentioned on the news.

Thanks. I will follow the link. This is a huge issue for me.

Judy



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> Hi Judy
> I belong to the BC Canada class action lawsuit and we are asking to have the OPT-OUT back to analog meters!   Please read this link from the website I belong to.  It will explain alot to you.
> I don't know what else to say about how you have been feeling.  Isn't analog the meter you had before smart meters?
> http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/Replacing-A-Smart-Meter-With-A-Safe-Analog-Meter-US,16,1647
>  
> It actually applies to Americans but Canadians need to pay attention.   Please keep me posted on this.  Even off board if you like, I dont mind. I dont pretend to know all that much about all this but am learning.  Mabye we can help each other lol.
>  
> good luck
> Aimee
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Aimee-2
Judy, there is such a thing as a digital meter.  On the website I sent , its there.  There is a page with three pictures of the diff meters..... analog.... digital....... smart.

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From: judyl_nev <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters
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Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 2:30 PM


Hi Aimee,

Can I move to Canada? I'd really appreciate living somewhere where they actually care about the people and respect their input and health. I would really like to see other areas sue somebody!  This smart meter thing seems to be a government funded thing, so makes you wonder a lot of things...  it's referred to as a military deployment. A bit scary!

My old meter was replaced with a new meter that is called an analog meter. I and others think it is deceitful and has the same capabilities as a smart meter. It just LOOKS like an analog. My old meter didn't make me feel this way. My sister has one too. Whatever it does, if you have a pain problem of any kind, it multiplies the pain. It seems to pour electricity into your body. I believe it adds to or magnifies dirty electricity. I'm trying to address that aspect also.

In California a numer of cities have declared smart meters illegal,  but it doesn't seem to carry much weight. The power companies seem to be backed and funded by the govt.

There are videos where people are begging the public utilities panel to return their old analog meter. The PUC and the power utilities turn a deaf ear and show cold dead hearts.

We don't seem to have much going on here to fight the smart grid. There was an outcry, and some attended meetings. I wrote a letter to the PUC, explaining about being EHS. I also told them the smart meters might harm someone in their home or work. I included some research.  This is hardly mentioned on the news.

Thanks. I will follow the link. This is a huge issue for me.

Judy



--- In [hidden email], Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> wrote:

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> Hi Judy
> I belong to the BC Canada class action lawsuit and we are asking to have the OPT-OUT back to analog meters!   Please read this link from the website I belong to.  It will explain alot to you.
> I don't know what else to say about how you have been feeling.  Isn't analog the meter you had before smart meters?
> http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/Replacing-A-Smart-Meter-With-A-Safe-Analog-Meter-US,16,1647
>  
> It actually applies to Americans but Canadians need to pay attention.   Please keep me posted on this.  Even off board if you like, I dont mind. I dont pretend to know all that much about all this but am learning.  Mabye we can help each other lol.
>  
> good luck
> Aimee
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Aimee-2
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I found the link I spoke of earlier.... it might help
 
here goes
http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/Identify-your-Meter--Meter-differences,25,1917
 
Aimee


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Hi Aimee,

Can I move to Canada? I'd really appreciate living somewhere where they actually care about the people and respect their input and health. I would really like to see other areas sue somebody!  This smart meter thing seems to be a government funded thing, so makes you wonder a lot of things...  it's referred to as a military deployment. A bit scary!

My old meter was replaced with a new meter that is called an analog meter. I and others think it is deceitful and has the same capabilities as a smart meter. It just LOOKS like an analog. My old meter didn't make me feel this way. My sister has one too. Whatever it does, if you have a pain problem of any kind, it multiplies the pain. It seems to pour electricity into your body. I believe it adds to or magnifies dirty electricity. I'm trying to address that aspect also.

In California a numer of cities have declared smart meters illegal,  but it doesn't seem to carry much weight. The power companies seem to be backed and funded by the govt.

There are videos where people are begging the public utilities panel to return their old analog meter. The PUC and the power utilities turn a deaf ear and show cold dead hearts.

We don't seem to have much going on here to fight the smart grid. There was an outcry, and some attended meetings. I wrote a letter to the PUC, explaining about being EHS. I also told them the smart meters might harm someone in their home or work. I included some research.  This is hardly mentioned on the news.

Thanks. I will follow the link. This is a huge issue for me.

Judy



--- In [hidden email], Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> wrote:

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> Hi Judy
> I belong to the BC Canada class action lawsuit and we are asking to have the OPT-OUT back to analog meters!   Please read this link from the website I belong to.  It will explain alot to you.
> I don't know what else to say about how you have been feeling.  Isn't analog the meter you had before smart meters?
> http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/Replacing-A-Smart-Meter-With-A-Safe-Analog-Meter-US,16,1647
>  
> It actually applies to Americans but Canadians need to pay attention.   Please keep me posted on this.  Even off board if you like, I dont mind. I dont pretend to know all that much about all this but am learning.  Mabye we can help each other lol.
>  
> good luck
> Aimee
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Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters

Snoshoe
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Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.


~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
>
> Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
>
> Judy
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April R
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Which cities in California have banned smart meters?  Is there a  list?  
Thanks
 
-April
 
 
In a message dated 4/10/2013 1:30:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi Aimee,

Can I move to Canada? I'd really appreciate living  somewhere where they
actually care about the people and respect their input  and health. I would
really like to see other areas sue somebody! This smart  meter thing seems to
be a government funded thing, so makes you wonder a lot  of things... it's
referred to as a military deployment. A bit scary!

My  old meter was replaced with a new meter that is called an analog meter.
I and  others think it is deceitful and has the same capabilities as a
smart meter.  It just LOOKS like an analog. My old meter didn't make me feel
this way. My  sister has one too. Whatever it does, if you have a pain problem
of any kind,  it multiplies the pain. It seems to pour electricity into your
body. I believe  it adds to or magnifies dirty electricity. I'm trying to
address that aspect  also.

In California a numer of cities have declared smart meters  illegal, but it
doesn't seem to carry much weight. The power companies seem to  be backed
and funded by the govt.

There are videos where people are  begging the public utilities panel to
return their old analog meter. The PUC  and the power utilities turn a deaf
ear and show cold dead hearts.

We  don't seem to have much going on here to fight the smart grid. There
was an  outcry, and some attended meetings. I wrote a letter to the PUC,
explaining  about being EHS. I also told them the smart meters might harm someone
in their  home or work. I included some research. This is hardly mentioned
on the news.  

Thanks. I will follow the link. This is a huge issue for me.  

Judy

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Aimee  
<ohkanaduh@...> wrote:
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> Hi Judy
> I belong to the  BC Canada class action lawsuit and we are asking to have
the OPT-OUT back to  analog meters!   Please read this link from the
website I belong  to.  It will explain alot to you.
> I don't know what else to say  about how you have been feeling.  Isn't
analog the meter you had before  smart meters?
>
http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/Replacing-A-Smart-Meter-With-A-Safe-Analog-Meter-US,16,1647
>  
> It actually applies to Americans but Canadians need to pay  attention.  
Please keep me posted on this.  Even off board if  you like, I dont mind. I
dont pretend to know all that much about all this but  am learning.  Mabye
we can help each other lol.

>  
>  good luck
> Aimee
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Patricia
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going through wires is different than wifi…
i'd think there would be a difference…
someone tell me if this is not so.  ?  
thanks.
patricia


On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:45 PM, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
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StopSmartMeters.org Grassroots (on the sand) in Santa Cruz

judyl_nev
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See http://stopsmartmeters.org
On right side of page are articles. See: 57 CA Govts demand a Halt

Santa Cruz people really fight for what they believe in! Several years ago they fought the LBAM spraying... LBAM: Dangerous pesticide sprayed along the coast on the people - not the crops. Many people became ill.



--- In [hidden email], windfeather118@... wrote:

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> Which cities in California have banned smart meters?  Is there a  list?  
> Thanks
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>  
> In a message dated 4/10/2013 1:30:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
> judyl_nev@... writes:
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> In California a numer of cities have declared smart meters  illegal, but it
> doesn't seem to carry much weight. The power companies seem to  be backed
> and funded by the govt.
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sleepbiology
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 Ojai, California has a city ordinance against the installation.

http://www.ci.ojai.ca.us/vertical/sites/%7B6CAA84A0-9B68-4637-964F-ED4B5D8E7542%7D/uploads/Smart_Meter_Ordinance_5-29-2012.pdf

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sleepbiology
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You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>
> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
>
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> >
> > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> >
> > Judy
> >
>


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timbuk2
Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS? 

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm

I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...

I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point.  So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...

That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.


So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.


Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)


Tim



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 From: iprovedit <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters
 


 

You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>
> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
>
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> >
> > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> >
> > Judy
> >
>


 

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Laurie Corbeil
Hi Tim,
Thanks for this amazing revelation. I am speechless.
I am not sure what steps to take anymore.
But, I am grateful to know what is confronting us.
Someone HAS to figure out a way to shield from these frequencies.
(and people think a tin hat is zany!)
I imagine if there are any solutions we will hear about it here.
Thanks again for sharing...
Laurie
 

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 From: Tim <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:52:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters
 
 
   
 
Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS? 

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm

I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...

I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point.  So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...

That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.

So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.

Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)

Tim

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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters


 

You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
--- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>
> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
>
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> >
> > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> >
> > Judy
> >
>

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charles-4
Please have a look at:

http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina050.html

Especially the third and fourth graph.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:47 AM
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  Hi Tim,
  Thanks for this amazing revelation. I am speechless.
  I am not sure what steps to take anymore.
  But, I am grateful to know what is confronting us.
  Someone HAS to figure out a way to shield from these frequencies.
  (and people think a tin hat is zany!)
  I imagine if there are any solutions we will hear about it here.
  Thanks again for sharing...
  Laurie
   

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   From: Tim <[hidden email]>
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  Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:52:06 PM
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  Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS?

  http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm

  I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...

  I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point. So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...

  That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.

  So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.

  Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)

  Tim

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  From: iprovedit <mailto:iprovedit%40yahoo.com>
  To: mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters




  You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
  --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:
  >
  > Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
  >
  >
  > ~ Snoshoe
  >
  > --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
  > >
  > > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
  > >
  > > Judy
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timbuk2
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Hi Laurie,

I'm not sure what to do about TWACS either... It's definitely a whammy, as in order to avoid higher levels of RF, you generally need to get further out in the country. TWACS is used now more in rural areas to conform to smart grids it appears.

I'm leaning towards going off-grid, and reports from some living in the Greenbank area indicate those off-grid are fairing better.  I suppose it all depends on what you are sensitive to, eh?  For me, it's more RF, but since I've seen signs that I'm also sensitive to TWACS, I'm paying attention. The longer that I remained in my job and living in the city around lots of RF, the worse I got. Avoiding RF has stablized me, and now I'm beginning to make some good progress by addressing nutritional and metabolic imbalances.

Stetzer filters did help in the house and improved my symptoms. I bet a filter on the mains before it comes into the house might help even better. There may be someone in the group who has worked with this that can help, but the info I've seen on this indicates the low frequency can't be filtered...

Having a power cut off switch to the bedroom would help I would think, reducing the exposure in the bedroom when you sleep...

Yes, we have a lot of smart and creative folks in this group!  As time goes on, we are learning a lot more about ES and how to adapt... It's nice to know that people all around the world are working on this as well, eh? 

Hang in there,
Tim




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 From: Laurie Corbeil <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters
 


 
Hi Tim,
Thanks for this amazing revelation. I am speechless.
I am not sure what steps to take anymore.
But, I am grateful to know what is confronting us.
Someone HAS to figure out a way to shield from these frequencies.
(and people think a tin hat is zany!)
I imagine if there are any solutions we will hear about it here.
Thanks again for sharing...
Laurie


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From: Tim <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:52:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters


 

Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS? 

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm

I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...

I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point.  So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...

That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.

So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.

Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)

Tim

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From: iprovedit <mailto:iprovedit%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters

 

You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
--- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>
> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
>
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> >
> > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> >
> > Judy
> >
>

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timbuk2
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Wow, thanks for sharing that Charles!  It's so interesting to see the frequencies actually carried in the air, "dirty air"! 

Was the house you tested connected to a Smart Meter or TWACS? 


Tim



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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:02 AM
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Please have a look at:

http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina050.html

Especially the third and fourth graph.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: Laurie Corbeil
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters

Hi Tim,
Thanks for this amazing revelation. I am speechless.
I am not sure what steps to take anymore.
But, I am grateful to know what is confronting us.
Someone HAS to figure out a way to shield from these frequencies.
(and people think a tin hat is zany!)
I imagine if there are any solutions we will hear about it here.
Thanks again for sharing...
Laurie


________________________________
From: Tim <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:52:06 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters




Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS?

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm

I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...

I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point. So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...

That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.

So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.

Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)

Tim

________________________________
From: iprovedit <mailto:iprovedit%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters

You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
--- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>
> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
>
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> >
> > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> >
> > Judy
> >
>

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judyl_nev
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Thank you. Thank you,
Tim, Iprovedit, Snoshoe, and all!

I bet that's it... I bet the new Analog is part of the TWACS system, and why it makes me so nuts. My sister and I each have the new "analog" meter. They bother each of us, but mine is much worse than hers. I live in an electrically busy area with homes, apartments, and businesses up the street a ways. Power lines in my neighborhood are above the ground and older... 30 years or more for main above-ground lines.

My sister lives in a newer neighborhood. Power lines are buried, and she lives more on the edge of town with desert (no electricity) in a couple of directions.

I just got a stetzer meter and it is very revealing. I had a couple areas of my house where the readings are 1500-1700... there are some wiring errors, and I shut off the circuit breaker to those rooms (ceiling lights) till I get it wired properly. The house is much quieter - but still a problem from the meter, I believe.  The readings from the Stetzer meter do vary throughout the day in some rooms.

Like Tim, it takes a while to isolate what is doing what. I seem quite sensitive to dirty electricity. Today my son and I drove out of town to a hiking area - no elecctriciity, no cell phone towers in sight. I felt wonderful! No symptoms, no buzzing. Body pains left. Came back home, and it builds up in my body again.

I'm cleaning up what I can - room by room, get the wires fixed, took my favorite reading lamp out of my bedroom (bumped up the Stetzer too high), and see where I'm at.

Then, I have a friend who is a retired electrical engineer. He told me about something called an isolation transformer. Might do something with that. He said electrical engineers call dirty electricity "hash".

Judy



--- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote:

>
> Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS? 
>
> http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm
>
> I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...
>
> I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point.  So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...
>
> That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.
>
>
> So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.
>
>
> Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: iprovedit <iprovedit@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters
>  
>
>
>  
>
> You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
> --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@> wrote:
> >
> > Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
> >
> >
> > ~ Snoshoe
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> > >
> > > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> > >
> > > Judy
> > >
> >
>
>
>  
>
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sleepbiology
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Yes. G3-PLC delivers 20KHz-500KHz pulsed electromagnetic fields throught your home. All you can do is complain to the power company and tell them it's a class 2b carcinogen.



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From: Tim <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters

 
Is G3-PLC similar to or based on TWACS? 

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/TWACS.htm

I had been staying this winter in a rural house that has TWACS, and I had a problem getting the electricity below 100 on a stetzer meter. That's after deploying all my stetzer filters (20) in the house and testing with most electrical devices off too. I'd see crazy spikes all the time...

I had no idea the house was connected to TWACS, as I tested the electric meter and found no RF. Thought I was safe, no Smart Meter. Then I noticed an odd electrical "buzzing" in my body, especially my legs when working in a small room in the house. The room was wired on all walls. I got my stetzer meter out and found readings of 200-300, so I knew something was going on in the wiring. RF in the house was less than .02 V/m at that point.  So I started digging for info with the electric utility and found TWACS. The stetzer filters did bring the readings down considerably which helped a bit...

That's the general way I discovered my ES. It's usually a hidden source of radiation. Then I get delayed reactions, and I have to trace what I've been exposed to. It's been trial and error, cause and effect, always delayed by hours or days, making it challenging to trace and figure out.

So even though TWACS is not wireless, it may be just as bad as Smart Meters in that the house and neighborhood wiring can act as an antenna for RF, and you can't effectively filter the low frequency transmissions.

Makes me want to go off-grid... :-)

Tim

________________________________
From: iprovedit <mailto:iprovedit%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:50 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Smart meters and "opt out Analog" meters


 

You may be experiencing problems from PLC (power line communication). G3-PLC uses 20KHz-500KHz fields. Really scary stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJOfqTq9lI
--- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>
> Having an analog meter reinstalled won't help much, as the smart meter pulsing is still going through your wires from everyone on the line after you. You will still get the pulsing, though maybe not quite as much.
>
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience or knowlege about the so called "Analog" meters used to replace smart meters?
> >
> > Here in Las Vegas, we were offered an "opt out" option of what they call Analog meters. Since its installation several weeks ago, my body is just nuts. Hard to describe, but makes me miserable, I feel like I'm plugged into a generator. Sleep is worse than before. People are calling them Trojan Horse meters, and believe they still have transmitting capabilities and emit radio frequency. I feel like I'm being cooked.
> >
> > Judy
> >
>

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