Smart Meters; what sensitive people need to know!

If you click on the link there is a report "What People who are Sensitive need to know about Smart Meters"!  This is great info!
 
Loni
 

The link at the bottom of this article doesn't appear to work.  Here is one that does:




http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm


Sorry.  ~Joy







On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Joy Jaber wrote:



Smart meter radiation — are wired transmissions as bad as wireless?


The new “smart” electrical meters may transmit data to the utility company as frequently as every few seconds.  This is done either by wireless or as signals travelling along the electrical wires, called powerline communication.


It is easy to think that using the technology that sends signals along the electrical wires is much safer than wireless, but the reality is not so simple.


The powerline transmissions have shown themselves to have health consequences as well.  All the wires that carry these signals act as antennas that radiate these frequencies.  In practice, that means that all wires in all the walls in a house will be antennas.  So will the electrical lines along the road.


This principle has been used to bring AM radio to remote parts of Europe and the Soviet Union several decades ago.


Telephone lines used to transport DSL signals are shielded; powerlines are not.


The radiation is much weaker than from a wireless meter, but a wireless meter radiates from only one place, not from all the walls.  It is like having many small transmitters in the house instead of one larger one.


With a wireless meter, it may be possible to get by with sleeping on the opposite side of the house.  Or move the meter away from the house to a pedestal out in the yard.  Or perhaps put up a radiation shield behind the meter.  Or simply use a mechanical meter.


With powerline communications it is much more difficult to do something about it.  Even if the utility puts back the mechanical meter, the signals can still enter the household wires from the other meters in the neighborhood.  The signals travel in all directions, not just the direct route back to the utility.  Shielding and filtering is costly, difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the actual technology.


The level of sensitivity varies from person to person.  Some people also do better with certain frequency bands than others.


Which of the two technologies will work best depends on the situation and the person.


If the utilities are asked to provide a wired alternative to their wireless meters, they will think in terms of powerline communication as that is the wireborne technology they have available.


A better solution is to use dialup modems over the telephone landline.  Another option is dedicated communications lines, such as DSL and fiber optic.  This could be installed jointly with the local company which brings wires internet to households in the area, so the same lines are used for both.  However, this will be more costly than the technologies the utilities now intend to use, and new meters may first have to be developed.  Many rural areas do not have DSL or fiber internet service, which makes it very expensive to install this type of meter there. 


For information about the many different types of smart meters, how they communicate and what can be done about them, see:


http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm


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Thank YOU for sending that. It is a true work of art!
I'm sure many people will find this useful.
Lizzie
Thank you!
 



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If you click on the link there is a report "What People who are Sensitive need to know about Smart Meters"!  This is great info!
 
Loni
 

The link at the bottom of this article doesn't appear to work.  Here is one that does:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

Sorry.  ~Joy

On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Joy Jaber wrote:

Smart meter radiation — are wired transmissions as bad as wireless?

The new “smart” electrical meters may transmit data to the utility company as frequently as every few seconds.  This is done either by wireless or as signals travelling along the electrical wires, called powerline communication.

It is easy to think that using the technology that sends signals along the electrical wires is much safer than wireless, but the reality is not so simple.

The powerline transmissions have shown themselves to have health consequences as well.  All the wires that carry these signals act as antennas that radiate these frequencies.  In practice, that means that all wires in all the walls in a house will be antennas.  So will the electrical lines along the road.

This principle has been used to bring AM radio to remote parts of Europe and the Soviet Union several decades ago.

Telephone lines used to transport DSL signals are shielded; powerlines are not.

The radiation is much weaker than from a wireless meter, but a wireless meter radiates from only one place, not from all the walls.  It is like having many small transmitters in the house instead of one larger one.

With a wireless meter, it may be possible to get by with sleeping on the opposite side of the house.  Or move the meter away from the house to a pedestal out in the yard.  Or perhaps put up a radiation shield behind the meter.  Or simply use a mechanical meter.

With powerline communications it is much more difficult to do something about it.  Even if the utility puts back the mechanical meter, the signals can still enter the household wires from the other meters in the neighborhood.  The signals travel in all directions, not just the direct route back to the utility.  Shielding and filtering is costly, difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the actual technology.

The level of sensitivity varies from person to person.  Some people also do better with certain frequency bands than others.

Which of the two technologies will work best depends on the situation and the person.

If the utilities are asked to provide a wired alternative to their wireless meters, they will think in terms of powerline communication as that is the wireborne technology they have available.

A better solution is to use dialup modems over the telephone landline.  Another option is dedicated communications lines, such as DSL and fiber optic.  This could be installed jointly with the local company which brings wires internet to households in the area, so the same lines are used for both.  However, this will be more costly than the technologies the utilities now intend to use, and new meters may first have to be developed.  Many rural areas do not have DSL or fiber internet service, which makes it very expensive to install this type of meter there.

For information about the many different types of smart meters, how they communicate and what can be done about them, see:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

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Thanks Lizzie!   A lot of time and effort went in to that report. I printed it myself & will keep it in my library of info. Great reference material for sure!  Loni
 
 

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Thank YOU for sending that. It is a true work of art!
I'm sure many people will find this useful.
Lizzie
Thank you!




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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:25:50 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Smart Meters; what sensitive people need to know!


 




If you click on the link there is a report "What People who are Sensitive need to know about Smart Meters"!  This is great info!

Loni


The link at the bottom of this article doesn't appear to work.  Here is one that does:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

Sorry.  ~Joy

On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Joy Jaber wrote:

Smart meter radiation — are wired transmissions as bad as wireless?

The new “smart” electrical meters may transmit data to the utility company as frequently as every few seconds.  This is done either by wireless or as signals travelling along the electrical wires, called powerline communication.

It is easy to think that using the technology that sends signals along the electrical wires is much safer than wireless, but the reality is not so simple.

The powerline transmissions have shown themselves to have health consequences as well.  All the wires that carry these signals act as antennas that radiate these frequencies.  In practice, that means that all wires in all the walls in a house will be antennas.  So will the electrical lines along the road.

This principle has been used to bring AM radio to remote parts of Europe and the Soviet Union several decades ago.

Telephone lines used to transport DSL signals are shielded; powerlines are not.

The radiation is much weaker than from a wireless meter, but a wireless meter radiates from only one place, not from all the walls.  It is like having many small transmitters in the house instead of one larger one.

With a wireless meter, it may be possible to get by with sleeping on the opposite side of the house.  Or move the meter away from the house to a pedestal out in the yard.  Or perhaps put up a radiation shield behind the meter.  Or simply use a mechanical meter.

With powerline communications it is much more difficult to do something about it.  Even if the utility puts back the mechanical meter, the signals can still enter the household wires from the other meters in the neighborhood.  The signals travel in all directions, not just the direct route back to the utility.  Shielding and filtering is costly, difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the actual technology.

The level of sensitivity varies from person to person.  Some people also do better with certain frequency bands than others.

Which of the two technologies will work best depends on the situation and the person.

If the utilities are asked to provide a wired alternative to their wireless meters, they will think in terms of powerline communication as that is the wireborne technology they have available.

A better solution is to use dialup modems over the telephone landline.  Another option is dedicated communications lines, such as DSL and fiber optic.  This could be installed jointly with the local company which brings wires internet to households in the area, so the same lines are used for both.  However, this will be more costly than the technologies the utilities now intend to use, and new meters may first have to be developed.  Many rural areas do not have DSL or fiber internet service, which makes it very expensive to install this type of meter there.

For information about the many different types of smart meters, how they communicate and what can be done about them, see:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

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It truly is a fabulous work of art. It is definitely a "keeper". The time that went into this stellar research is absolutely precious.
Below is another excellent piece of information. To some of you, this might seem way "far out". And I caution anyone who doubts the veracity of the information; to stop and think: "how many times have WE experienced the rolling of the eyes, the outright denial of our being effected by emf's- let alone that "anyone" could be effected by such a seemingly innocent technology.
But for me? It's just more connecting of the dots.
As for the funding idea? I love the idea of funding sources for Olle and M. Havas and the others who have contributed soo much. We are, all of us, greatly indebted to Olle and the others.
However, at this point, I think using our collective energies towards  STOPPING THIS SMART METER PROGRAM MADNESS needs to be the top priority.
After all, how can we hope to reduce/avoid our exposure if this smart meter roll out ISN'T STOPPED! OUr health, that of our children's , and all is dependent upon bringing this insane program to a STOP.
 




www.augustreview.com/issues/technocracy/technocracy_end
 
Blessings of Many,
Lizzie



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Thanks Lizzie!   A lot of time and effort went in to that report. I printed it myself & will keep it in my library of info. Great reference material for sure!  Loni
 
 

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Subject: RE: [eSens] Smart Meters; what sensitive people need to know!
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Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 6:42 PM

Thank YOU for sending that. It is a true work of art!
I'm sure many people will find this useful.
Lizzie
Thank you!

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:25:50 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Smart Meters; what sensitive people need to know!

 

If you click on the link there is a report "What People who are Sensitive need to know about Smart Meters"!  This is great info!

Loni

The link at the bottom of this article doesn't appear to work.  Here is one that does:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

Sorry.  ~Joy

On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Joy Jaber wrote:

Smart meter radiation — are wired transmissions as bad as wireless?

The new “smart” electrical meters may transmit data to the utility company as frequently as every few seconds.  This is done either by wireless or as signals travelling along the electrical wires, called powerline communication.

It is easy to think that using the technology that sends signals along the electrical wires is much safer than wireless, but the reality is not so simple.

The powerline transmissions have shown themselves to have health consequences as well.  All the wires that carry these signals act as antennas that radiate these frequencies.  In practice, that means that all wires in all the walls in a house will be antennas.  So will the electrical lines along the road.

This principle has been used to bring AM radio to remote parts of Europe and the Soviet Union several decades ago.

Telephone lines used to transport DSL signals are shielded; powerlines are not.

The radiation is much weaker than from a wireless meter, but a wireless meter radiates from only one place, not from all the walls.  It is like having many small transmitters in the house instead of one larger one.

With a wireless meter, it may be possible to get by with sleeping on the opposite side of the house.  Or move the meter away from the house to a pedestal out in the yard.  Or perhaps put up a radiation shield behind the meter.  Or simply use a mechanical meter.

With powerline communications it is much more difficult to do something about it.  Even if the utility puts back the mechanical meter, the signals can still enter the household wires from the other meters in the neighborhood.  The signals travel in all directions, not just the direct route back to the utility.  Shielding and filtering is costly, difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the actual technology.

The level of sensitivity varies from person to person.  Some people also do better with certain frequency bands than others.

Which of the two technologies will work best depends on the situation and the person.

If the utilities are asked to provide a wired alternative to their wireless meters, they will think in terms of powerline communication as that is the wireborne technology they have available.

A better solution is to use dialup modems over the telephone landline.  Another option is dedicated communications lines, such as DSL and fiber optic.  This could be installed jointly with the local company which brings wires internet to households in the area, so the same lines are used for both.  However, this will be more costly than the technologies the utilities now intend to use, and new meters may first have to be developed.  Many rural areas do not have DSL or fiber internet service, which makes it very expensive to install this type of meter there.

For information about the many different types of smart meters, how they communicate and what can be done about them, see:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

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I couldn't pull up the link Lizzie.
 
The author is a former engineer that is severely EHS and has to live off grid. Loni

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It truly is a fabulous work of art. It is definitely a "keeper". The time that went into this stellar research is absolutely precious.
Below is another excellent piece of information. To some of you, this might seem way "far out". And I caution anyone who doubts the veracity of the information; to stop and think: "how many times have WE experienced the rolling of the eyes, the outright denial of our being effected by emf's- let alone that "anyone" could be effected by such a seemingly innocent technology.
But for me? It's just more connecting of the dots.
As for the funding idea? I love the idea of funding sources for Olle and M. Havas and the others who have contributed soo much. We are, all of us, greatly indebted to Olle and the others.
However, at this point, I think using our collective energies towards  STOPPING THIS SMART METER PROGRAM MADNESS needs to be the top priority.
After all, how can we hope to reduce/avoid our exposure if this smart meter roll out ISN'T STOPPED! OUr health, that of our children's , and all is dependent upon bringing this insane program to a STOP.





www.augustreview.com/issues/technocracy/technocracy_end

Blessings of Many,
Lizzie



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Thanks Lizzie!   A lot of time and effort went in to that report. I printed it myself & will keep it in my library of info. Great reference material for sure!  Loni



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Date: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 6:42 PM

Thank YOU for sending that. It is a true work of art!
I'm sure many people will find this useful.
Lizzie
Thank you!

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Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:25:50 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Smart Meters; what sensitive people need to know!

 

If you click on the link there is a report "What People who are Sensitive need to know about Smart Meters"!  This is great info!

Loni

The link at the bottom of this article doesn't appear to work.  Here is one that does:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

Sorry.  ~Joy

On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Joy Jaber wrote:

Smart meter radiation — are wired transmissions as bad as wireless?

The new “smart” electrical meters may transmit data to the utility company as frequently as every few seconds.  This is done either by wireless or as signals travelling along the electrical wires, called powerline communication.

It is easy to think that using the technology that sends signals along the electrical wires is much safer than wireless, but the reality is not so simple.

The powerline transmissions have shown themselves to have health consequences as well.  All the wires that carry these signals act as antennas that radiate these frequencies.  In practice, that means that all wires in all the walls in a house will be antennas.  So will the electrical lines along the road.

This principle has been used to bring AM radio to remote parts of Europe and the Soviet Union several decades ago.

Telephone lines used to transport DSL signals are shielded; powerlines are not.

The radiation is much weaker than from a wireless meter, but a wireless meter radiates from only one place, not from all the walls.  It is like having many small transmitters in the house instead of one larger one.

With a wireless meter, it may be possible to get by with sleeping on the opposite side of the house.  Or move the meter away from the house to a pedestal out in the yard.  Or perhaps put up a radiation shield behind the meter.  Or simply use a mechanical meter.

With powerline communications it is much more difficult to do something about it.  Even if the utility puts back the mechanical meter, the signals can still enter the household wires from the other meters in the neighborhood.  The signals travel in all directions, not just the direct route back to the utility.  Shielding and filtering is costly, difficult and sometimes impossible, depending on the actual technology.

The level of sensitivity varies from person to person.  Some people also do better with certain frequency bands than others.

Which of the two technologies will work best depends on the situation and the person.

If the utilities are asked to provide a wired alternative to their wireless meters, they will think in terms of powerline communication as that is the wireborne technology they have available.

A better solution is to use dialup modems over the telephone landline.  Another option is dedicated communications lines, such as DSL and fiber optic.  This could be installed jointly with the local company which brings wires internet to households in the area, so the same lines are used for both.  However, this will be more costly than the technologies the utilities now intend to use, and new meters may first have to be developed.  Many rural areas do not have DSL or fiber internet service, which makes it very expensive to install this type of meter there.

For information about the many different types of smart meters, how they communicate and what can be done about them, see:

http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm

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This report has a vast amount of interesting information that may apply someplace else, but here in California things are pretty stark.  The utilities will not negotiate with you about what kind of "smart" meter you might like to have.  You get what they are serving up, and it is wireless and a mesh network and they do not give out any information about how often the smeter transmits or what the strength of the signal might be (it has "leaked" out that they come in varying strengths or can be programmed variably, not sure which, see
http://bit.ly/jeMQDJ for an article in which 3 different smeters were pulled out of a utility truck in an attempt to soothe a sensitive motion detector -- which would never happen for a sensitive _person_.

Or, when the utility does issue a pronouncement, we have learned that you can be pretty sure it is not the truth.

Note that you want to stay away from a wireless transmitting smeter.  Do not go up to it and try to read it or examine it.  EHS people have suffered severely from doing this, from putting foil on it themselves, etc.

Thanks for posting it.  It is a useful reference, and I found some more at http://www.eiwellspring.org/Smartmeter_information.htm
It is VERY cool about the Swedish utility making filters to protect people!!

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>  in which 3 different smeters were pulled out of a utility truck in an attempt to soothe a sensitive motion detector -- which would never happen for a sensitive _person_.
>  

A motion detector sensitive to smart meters?? maybe to the power
quality, thus transent RF spikes?
wow.


> Thanks for posting it.  It is a useful reference, and I found some more at http://www.eiwellspring.org/Smartmeter_information.htm
> It is VERY cool about the Swedish utility making filters to protect people!!
>  


Anybody know how to measure if there are data packets on the power
coming past the step down transformers?
Would that show up on a GS meter?
I would tend to think they would use higher frequencies than the GS filters.
Can these signals be measured??

Stewart

 >
 > Anybody know how to measure if there are data packets on the power
 > coming past the step down transformers?
 > Would that show up on a GS meter?
 > I would tend to think they would use higher frequencies than the GS
 > filters. Can these signals be measured??

Found an answer at
http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm
in section 4.6

So I don't have the right hardware to measure this...
What meter would be best?

I predict Charles will say the Spectran NF 5035.
Anything else?

Stewart

Sure, the Spectran NF 5035 does show you alle the relevant frequencies.
For measuring in the wallsockets, the differential probe is needed.

For the Spectran NF 50XX there is now a new firmware  V 1.0 available.
Shortly, there will be an Aaaronia programm, that can install all latest firmware with one mouseclick.
It detects also automatically which options are installed.

For detection, I use a special detector from Endotronic with special antenna's.

First I go around with this detector in order to find these spots.
And then I start measuring them with the Spectran.
In the wall sockets as well in the air.

PS. I have asked Aaronia to place the manuals of their meters on their homepage.
Although it is technical, it is my opinion, that amateurs may learn and understand a lot by reading them.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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   > Anybody know how to measure if there are data packets on the power
   > coming past the step down transformers?
   > Would that show up on a GS meter?
   > I would tend to think they would use higher frequencies than the GS
   > filters. Can these signals be measured??

  Found an answer at
  http://www.eiwellspring.org/smartmeter/Smart_Meter_overview.htm
  in section 4.6

  So I don't have the right hardware to measure this...
  What meter would be best?

  I predict Charles will say the Spectran NF 5035.
  Anything else?

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This report has all types of smart meters listed and how they work basically. Has nothing to do with what is offered in your state?  It's just educating information to give you knowledge to move forward. Loni

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This report has a vast amount of interesting information that may apply someplace else, but here in California things are pretty stark. The utilities will not negotiate with you about what kind of "smart" meter you might like to have. You get what they are serving up, and it is wireless and a mesh network and they do not give out any information about how often the smeter transmits or what the strength of the signal might be (it has "leaked" out that they come in varying strengths or can be programmed variably, not sure which, see
http://bit.ly/jeMQDJ for an article in which 3 different smeters were pulled out of a utility truck in an attempt to soothe a sensitive motion detector -- which would never happen for a sensitive _person_.

Or, when the utility does issue a pronouncement, we have learned that you can be pretty sure it is not the truth.

Note that you want to stay away from a wireless transmitting smeter. Do not go up to it and try to read it or examine it. EHS people have suffered severely from doing this, from putting foil on it themselves, etc.

Thanks for posting it. It is a useful reference, and I found some more at http://www.eiwellspring.org/Smartmeter_information.htm
It is VERY cool about the Swedish utility making filters to protect people!!

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