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This is maybe a strange question but I am having a problem describing
the sensations I get when sleeping on the bed in our guest room which has a metal bed frame as well as the usual springs. Can anyone describe how it felt to them sleeping on a bed with metal? I know everyone is different but I might get some help with describing the sensations to my husband. Breathless is one word I have but there's a lot more to it than that. Thanks, Aline |
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oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work in
progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. I am so sensitive that I appear unable to tolerate any metal parts whatsoever in my bed frame. The symptoms i get have changed a bit since i moved. When i was in my flat in Brighton the symptom consisted of a kind of contraction/ palpitation/flipping over in my solar plexus/abdominal area. Since i've moved to a ray free area, but one that seems to be worse for mag fields, my symptom is electric shocks/spasms going up my legs, and a feeling of burning deep inside my leg. When it gets really bad, when the burning stops numbness takes over. Went to my doc when i was at this worst point and my white cell count had fallen below the normal range. People call it restless legs, like its a slight inconvenience, but a harmless condition, but my own personal theory is that restless legs is the bone marrow malfunctioning/under stress. PS. does anyone know whether in this advanced age it is possible to get metal free, non conductive, screws?(stop smirking!) I asked in a couple of shops, i'll let you imagine the response! J --- In [hidden email], "Aline" <haikuron@...> wrote: > > This is maybe a strange question but I am having a problem describing > the sensations I get when sleeping on the bed in our guest room which > has a metal bed frame as well as the usual springs. > > Can anyone describe how it felt to them sleeping on a bed with metal? I > know everyone is different but I might get some help with describing > the sensations to my husband. > > Breathless is one word I have but there's a lot more to it than that. > > Thanks, > Aline > |
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In reply to this post by alinepapille
A clever carpenter could lash together wood with ropes, could be quite
creative, make sure rope is chem free think you can get no ferrous nails, but you could also use wooden dowels ! Paul uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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be a good business to get into
i hate chemicals, even my ecologist magazine bothers me On 6 Jul 2007, at 16:28, [hidden email] wrote: > A clever carpenter could lash together wood with ropes, could be quite > creative, make sure rope is chem free > > think you can get no ferrous nails, but you could also use wooden > dowels ! > > Paul uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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>does anyone know whether in this advanced age it is possible to get
> metal free, non conductive, screws?(stop smirking!) Wood pegs or biscuits are a common way to join wood. Any carpenter would know how to do this. Emil |
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The problem with beds are the static magnetic fields.
They are in metal parts. A few screws do not matter much, but supporting rods etc. can be heavily magnetic. There are some bed designs which are good. For instance http://www.huesler-nest.ch For their spruce they even use wooden screws. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 17:24 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words > oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work in > progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal > would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. > > I am so sensitive that I appear unable to tolerate any metal parts > whatsoever in my bed frame. > > The symptoms i get have changed a bit since i moved. When i was in my > flat in Brighton the symptom consisted of a kind of contraction/ > palpitation/flipping over in my solar plexus/abdominal area. > > Since i've moved to a ray free area, but one that seems to be worse for > mag fields, my symptom is electric shocks/spasms going up my legs, and > a feeling of burning deep inside my leg. When it gets really bad, when > the burning stops numbness takes over. Went to my doc when i was at > this worst point and my white cell count had fallen below the normal > range. > > People call it restless legs, like its a slight inconvenience, but a > harmless condition, but my own personal theory is that restless legs is > the bone marrow malfunctioning/under stress. > > PS. does anyone know whether in this advanced age it is possible to get > metal free, non conductive, screws?(stop smirking!) I asked in a > couple of shops, i'll let you imagine the response! > > J > --- In [hidden email], "Aline" <haikuron@...> wrote: >> >> This is maybe a strange question but I am having a problem describing >> the sensations I get when sleeping on the bed in our guest room which >> has a metal bed frame as well as the usual springs. >> >> Can anyone describe how it felt to them sleeping on a bed with metal? > I >> know everyone is different but I might get some help with describing >> the sensations to my husband. >> >> Breathless is one word I have but there's a lot more to it than that. >> >> Thanks, >> Aline >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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In a message dated 7/6/2007 5:12:40 PM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: The problem with beds are the static magnetic fields. They are in metal parts. A few screws do not matter much, but supporting rods etc. can be heavily magnetic. There are some bed designs which are good. cHARLES - Talking about metal, what explains why a 2.4m long alluminium support for my polycarbonate sunlounge roof has both an electric feild of 40vm and a mag feild of 1mg ? PAUL UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Paul,
a 2.4m long alluminium support is quite a large body. It works like a secundary antenna, and emits radiation. Try fixing some sort of grounding on it ! Every large metal surface works like a secundary antenna. That is the reason why some electrosensibles do have reactions to phone masts, which are not even connected to their mains line. They receive signals and transmit them. Not on such levels that phone converastions can happen, but strong enough for electrosensibles to have adverse reactions. Be aware that electrosensibles may react to HF signals of less than 1 uW/m2. And also to 30 kHz signals in main electricity lines, as well as in the *space* present signals from f.i. halogen lamps, televisions, computers. I measure 30 kHz signals coming from televisions sets, which are NOT connected to the mains. And don't forget the many TL lamps (Fluorescent). Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 18:17 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words > > In a message dated 7/6/2007 5:12:40 PM GMT Daylight Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > The problem with beds are the static magnetic fields. > They are in metal parts. > A few screws do not matter much, but supporting rods etc. can be heavily > magnetic. > > There are some bed designs which are good. > > > > cHARLES - Talking about metal, what explains why a 2.4m long alluminium > support for my polycarbonate sunlounge roof has both an electric feild of > 40vm > and a mag feild of 1mg ? > > PAUL UK > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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I went to the web site , it didn't say how much a bed costs and if they can
ship to USA. Any idea? On 7/6/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > > The problem with beds are the static magnetic fields. > They are in metal parts. > A few screws do not matter much, but supporting rods etc. can be heavily > magnetic. > > There are some bed designs which are good. > For instance http://www.huesler-nest.ch > For their spruce they even use wooden screws. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email] <asurisuk%40excite.com>> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 17:24 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words > > > oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work in > > progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal > > would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. > > > > I am so sensitive that I appear unable to tolerate any metal parts > > whatsoever in my bed frame. > > > > The symptoms i get have changed a bit since i moved. When i was in my > > flat in Brighton the symptom consisted of a kind of contraction/ > > palpitation/flipping over in my solar plexus/abdominal area. > > > > Since i've moved to a ray free area, but one that seems to be worse for > > mag fields, my symptom is electric shocks/spasms going up my legs, and > > a feeling of burning deep inside my leg. When it gets really bad, when > > the burning stops numbness takes over. Went to my doc when i was at > > this worst point and my white cell count had fallen below the normal > > range. > > > > People call it restless legs, like its a slight inconvenience, but a > > harmless condition, but my own personal theory is that restless legs is > > the bone marrow malfunctioning/under stress. > > > > PS. does anyone know whether in this advanced age it is possible to get > > metal free, non conductive, screws?(stop smirking!) I asked in a > > couple of shops, i'll let you imagine the response! > > > > J > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Aline" > <haikuron@...> wrote: > >> > >> This is maybe a strange question but I am having a problem describing > >> the sensations I get when sleeping on the bed in our guest room which > >> has a metal bed frame as well as the usual springs. > >> > >> Can anyone describe how it felt to them sleeping on a bed with metal? > > I > >> know everyone is different but I might get some help with describing > >> the sensations to my husband. > >> > >> Breathless is one word I have but there's a lot more to it than that. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Aline > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Paul Coffman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 7/6/2007 5:33:54 PM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Hello Paul, a 2.4m long alluminium support is quite a large body. It works like a secundary antenna, and emits radiation. Try fixing some sort of grounding on it ! Every large metal surface works like a secundary antenna. Thanks - the strange thing is that out of the 6 supports in close proximity this is the only one that registers on the trifeild. Could it be that at 2.4m long this corresponds with 2.4 gig dect phones etc ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work in
> progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal > would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. Just be careful about the varnish that is applied to the wood... there are certain kinds of wood finishes that I just can't tolerate (and water-based is sometimes no better) Marc |
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I suppose they do.
However, those beds are not cheap, but do cost less than a boxspring. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Coffman" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 18:37 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words >I went to the web site , it didn't say how much a bed costs and if they can > ship to USA. Any idea? > > > On 7/6/07, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> The problem with beds are the static magnetic fields. >> They are in metal parts. >> A few screws do not matter much, but supporting rods etc. can be heavily >> magnetic. >> >> There are some bed designs which are good. >> For instance http://www.huesler-nest.ch >> For their spruce they even use wooden screws. >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Bitdefender >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email] <asurisuk%40excite.com>> >> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 17:24 >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words >> >> > oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work in >> > progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal >> > would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. >> > >> > I am so sensitive that I appear unable to tolerate any metal parts >> > whatsoever in my bed frame. >> > >> > The symptoms i get have changed a bit since i moved. When i was in my >> > flat in Brighton the symptom consisted of a kind of contraction/ >> > palpitation/flipping over in my solar plexus/abdominal area. >> > >> > Since i've moved to a ray free area, but one that seems to be worse for >> > mag fields, my symptom is electric shocks/spasms going up my legs, and >> > a feeling of burning deep inside my leg. When it gets really bad, when >> > the burning stops numbness takes over. Went to my doc when i was at >> > this worst point and my white cell count had fallen below the normal >> > range. >> > >> > People call it restless legs, like its a slight inconvenience, but a >> > harmless condition, but my own personal theory is that restless legs is >> > the bone marrow malfunctioning/under stress. >> > >> > PS. does anyone know whether in this advanced age it is possible to get >> > metal free, non conductive, screws?(stop smirking!) I asked in a >> > couple of shops, i'll let you imagine the response! >> > >> > J >> > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Aline" >> <haikuron@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> This is maybe a strange question but I am having a problem describing >> >> the sensations I get when sleeping on the bed in our guest room which >> >> has a metal bed frame as well as the usual springs. >> >> >> >> Can anyone describe how it felt to them sleeping on a bed with metal? >> > I >> >> know everyone is different but I might get some help with describing >> >> the sensations to my husband. >> >> >> >> Breathless is one word I have but there's a lot more to it than that. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aline >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > -- > Paul Coffman > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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There are a number of wood finishes, that contain formaldehyde.
beware of that. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 18:53 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words >> oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work in >> progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal >> would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. > > Just be careful about the varnish that is applied to the wood... > there are certain kinds of wood finishes that I just can't > tolerate (and water-based is sometimes no better) > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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feels like we are doomed cant get away from all the toxins
On 6 Jul 2007, at 18:14, charles wrote: > There are a number of wood finishes, that contain formaldehyde. > beware of that. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 18:53 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words > > >> oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing work > in > >> progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The > ideal > >> would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. > > > > Just be careful about the varnish that is applied to the wood... > > there are certain kinds of wood finishes that I just can't > > tolerate (and water-based is sometimes no better) > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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they look lovely don't they. Just the name makes me feel like
curling up and going to sleep. Bet they cost a bomb! --- In [hidden email], "Paul Coffman" <pkcoff@...> wrote: > > I went to the web site , it didn't say how much a bed costs and if they can > ship to USA. Any idea? > > > On 7/6/07, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > > > The problem with beds are the static magnetic fields. > > They are in metal parts. > > A few screws do not matter much, but supporting rods etc. can be heavily > > magnetic. > > > > There are some bed designs which are good. > > For instance http://www.huesler-nest.ch > > For their spruce they even use wooden screws. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Bitdefender > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "canaryyuk" <asurisuk@... <asurisuk%40excite.com>> > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 17:24 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sleeping on metal - lost for words > > > > > oh Aline! Don't mention beds! My bed situation is an ongoing > > > progress, mainly probably because i haven't got much cash. The ideal > > > would be to get a carpenter to knock up a metal free bed. > > > > > > I am so sensitive that I appear unable to tolerate any metal parts > > > whatsoever in my bed frame. > > > > > > The symptoms i get have changed a bit since i moved. When i was in my > > > flat in Brighton the symptom consisted of a kind of contraction/ > > > palpitation/flipping over in my solar plexus/abdominal area. > > > > > > Since i've moved to a ray free area, but one that seems to be worse for > > > mag fields, my symptom is electric shocks/spasms going up my legs, and > > > a feeling of burning deep inside my leg. When it gets really bad, when > > > the burning stops numbness takes over. Went to my doc when i was at > > > this worst point and my white cell count had fallen below the normal > > > range. > > > > > > People call it restless legs, like its a slight inconvenience, but a > > > harmless condition, but my own personal theory is that restless legs is > > > the bone marrow malfunctioning/under stress. > > > > > > PS. does anyone know whether in this advanced age it is possible to get > > > metal free, non conductive, screws?(stop smirking!) I asked in a > > > couple of shops, i'll let you imagine the response! > > > > > > J > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "Aline" > > <haikuron@> wrote: > > >> > > >> This is maybe a strange question but I am having a problem describing > > >> the sensations I get when sleeping on the bed in our guest room which > > >> has a metal bed frame as well as the usual springs. > > >> > > >> Can anyone describe how it felt to them sleeping on a bed with metal? > > > I > > >> know everyone is different but I might get some help with describing > > >> the sensations to my husband. > > >> > > >> Breathless is one word I have but there's a lot more to it than that. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Aline > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paul Coffman > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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> Could it be that at 2.4m long this corresponds with 2.4 gig dect
phones etc ? > Paul, you think too much!! lol :) :) j |
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In a message dated 7/6/2007 11:58:06 PM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Could it be that at 2.4m long this corresponds with 2.4 gig dect phones etc ? > Paul, you think too much!! lol :) :) I used to think alot better but now I cant seem to hold more than a few thoughts in my head they slip through my mind like grains of sand, before I can make a whole thought out of them. That ussually happens after 10 mins on the PC, after that I am using reserves. p [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
> > > I used to think alot better but now I cant seem to hold more than a few > thoughts in my head they slip through my mind like grains of sand, beforeI can > make a whole thought out of them. That ussually happens after 10 mins onthe > PC, after that I am using reserves. > I've noticed this many times - been thinking of doing something with the computer, and as soon as it has booted that idea is gone. Had to learn to write down ideas before booting. William |
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