Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?

Hi people,

Long time no typing.  I might be helping someone move to an apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight.  It's in a house at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my meters with me.

However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on top of my, separated by just a blanket)?

What about it also covering my head/face?

Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me? Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?

Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?

The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon, I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare.  Thanks kindly, and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just don't have the head to go searching right now.

Cheers,

R.




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I have had bad results if I let a metallic shielding fabric touch me  
while I sleep. I think it is best to keep the fabric away from the skin.
If your blanket is think enough and doesn't conduct electricity, maybe  
it will work. It is all up to how you feel.
There is an energetic layer of energy hovering around the body  
(learned/saw this will studying at the Barbara Brennan School of  
Healing) and I have found if silver mesh comes near it, my body gets  
thrown out; fatigue, weird pains and sensations, tingling, sharp  
pricks, heart weakness, etc.
Lead isn't a great RF blocker but I have found using a lead hat, I  
have enough relief to sleep. I have yet to purchase a full body lead  
apron.
If you can set up a structure around you that keep the RF shielding  
fabric at least a few feet away that may produce better results.
Good luck and let me know what you find works. I am still experimenting.
Thank you,
Andrew

On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:10 AM, R. Ticle wrote:

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your thoughts.  If I do end up trying it, I'll let you (all) know.  In the meantime, if anyone else has suggestions, too, I'd like to hear them.

Thanks!

R.

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      I have had bad results if I let a metallic shielding fabric touch me  

while I sleep. I think it is best to keep the fabric away from the skin.

If your blanket is think enough and doesn't conduct electricity, maybe  

it will work. It is all up to how you feel.

There is an energetic layer of energy hovering around the body  

(learned/saw this will studying at the Barbara Brennan School of  

Healing) and I have found if silver mesh comes near it, my body gets  

thrown out; fatigue, weird pains and sensations, tingling, sharp  

pricks, heart weakness, etc.

Lead isn't a great RF blocker but I have found using a lead hat, I  

have enough relief to sleep. I have yet to purchase a full body lead  

apron.

If you can set up a structure around you that keep the RF shielding  

fabric at least a few feet away that may produce better results.

Good luck and let me know what you find works. I am still experimenting.

Thank you,

Andrew



On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:10 AM, R. Ticle wrote:



> Hi people,

>

> Long time no typing.  I might be helping someone move to an  

> apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight.  It's in a house  

> at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a  

> suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I  

> haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my  

> meters with me.

>

> However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit  

> better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the  

> lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on  

> top of my, separated by just a blanket)?

>

> What about it also covering my head/face?

>

> Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me?  

> Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the  

> bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?

>

> Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?

>

> The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any  

> outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

>

> I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the  

> fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

>

> If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon,  

> I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare.  Thanks kindly,  

> and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just  

> don't have the head to go searching right now.

>

> Cheers,

>

> R.

>

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Hi, R!
 
Missed you!  Hope your RV stay on the farm was emf-free and worked well for you.  Are you back home now for the winter?
 
I have given some thought to this situation myself and I doubt this will help you in the time you have to prepare, but possibly one of us might have the materials to try it for a later time and report as to whether it works, if someone out there has this type of hammock....
 
My father used to have an Army hammock--it was all heavy canvas (but may have had a few metal grommets--I don't remember--but these possibly could be worked around or modified) and it was totally enclosed with mesh windows on the two long sides.  One side had a nylon zipper to get in and out of the hammock.  The "roof" of it could be used down or up (in the "up" position, it resembled wings) and the hammock was still totally enclosed.  You  could put the flaps down according to rain and wind needs, but in the "up" position, I was thinking that emf fabric could be draped easily over the entire hammock or sewn in such a way that the ropes of the hammock could pass thru where needed.  Actually, if you could use velcro to enclose the bottom in some way so that you could still get into the hammock, there is no reason you could not even enclose the bottom.
 
I am not sure which would work best--having the emf fabric drape on the ground or just inches above it or close it entirely with velcro.  This whole idea does necessitate having 2 trees the right space, but I think it would work well as long as you were close to a forest.  It wouldn't work in extreme cold, but I used to sleep in it when it was fairly cold--Dad put a heavy sleeping bag inside it.  I am guessing that these hammocks are still in existence!  ;)  We used these hammocks when we went camping.  We were as snug as bugs.  Very comfy.
 
Sorry I cannot think of anything you can use that is more immediate! 
I wish you the best, R,
Diane/ Evie
 
 

--- On Thu, 9/30/10, R. Ticle <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: R. Ticle <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: [hidden email], [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 10:10 AM


 



Hi people,

Long time no typing.  I might be helping someone move to an apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight.  It's in a house at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my meters with me.

However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on top of my, separated by just a blanket)?

What about it also covering my head/face?

Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me? Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?

Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?

The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon, I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare.  Thanks kindly, and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just don't have the head to go searching right now.

Cheers,

R.

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Hi again, R and Andrew,
 
With the flaps out and emf fabric draped over the hammock, the fabric would be about 2 feet away on all sides.  Do you think this would be far enough away, Andrew?
 
Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 11:30 AM


 



Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your thoughts.  If I do end up trying it, I'll let you (all) know.  In the meantime, if anyone else has suggestions, too, I'd like to hear them.

Thanks!

R.

--- On Thu, 9/30/10, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: [hidden email]
Received: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 2:22 PM

 

I have had bad results if I let a metallic shielding fabric touch me

while I sleep. I think it is best to keep the fabric away from the skin.

If your blanket is think enough and doesn't conduct electricity, maybe

it will work. It is all up to how you feel.

There is an energetic layer of energy hovering around the body

(learned/saw this will studying at the Barbara Brennan School of

Healing) and I have found if silver mesh comes near it, my body gets

thrown out; fatigue, weird pains and sensations, tingling, sharp

pricks, heart weakness, etc.

Lead isn't a great RF blocker but I have found using a lead hat, I

have enough relief to sleep. I have yet to purchase a full body lead

apron.

If you can set up a structure around you that keep the RF shielding

fabric at least a few feet away that may produce better results.

Good luck and let me know what you find works. I am still experimenting.

Thank you,

Andrew

On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:10 AM, R. Ticle wrote:

> Hi people,

>

> Long time no typing. I might be helping someone move to an

> apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight. It's in a house

> at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a

> suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I

> haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my

> meters with me.

>

> However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit

> better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the

> lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on

> top of my, separated by just a blanket)?

>

> What about it also covering my head/face?

>

> Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me?

> Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the

> bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?

>

> Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?

>

> The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any

> outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

>

> I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the

> fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

>

> If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon,

> I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare. Thanks kindly,

> and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just

> don't have the head to go searching right now.

>

> Cheers,

>

> R.

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

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Hi again, All,
 
I found out recently that wireless emfs are higher inside my house than outside and I cannot figure out why (no phones or wireless equipment that I know of are in that house).  Do any of you know reasons this could occur?  Also, we were using a "bug" detector to measure.  Perhaps this is an inaccurate meter for reading wifi???  The readings were fairly consistent all over the house and are one bar higher than the outside readings.  I need to investigate further in a couple spots where the readings spiked (one WAS in the master bedroom by the window, but we looked closely and could find no "bugs").  This is my "newer" house I am talking about and the former owner there was fairly addicted to technology.  Could he have hooked up something in the house that we have yet not found?  What should we be looking for, if this is the case?
 
Thanks for all input. 
Diane




     

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Hi again, All,
 
On a quest for some answers today....  I have recently had new wiring put in and am having a problem with one circuit, which seemingly does not make sense.....
 
It is a dedicated circuit for a washing machine.  I noticed one night (by turning circuits off until the offensive circuit was found) that this circuit causes me ES symptoms.  My electrician returned to check it out, along with the local wiring inspector (it was the inspector who had the "bug" detector which we used in last email).  Anyway, they opened the circuit panel and checked the connection--no problem.  They opened the outlet cover and looked there--no problem.  What can the problem be?  The circuit bothers me unless it is off at the circuit box regardless of whether there is anything plugged in to it or not.  We have hospital grade metal clad wiring, btw.  Could something be wrong with the wire itself and cause a problem that would lead to ES symptoms?  The electrician and inspector just shrugged and left.  They told me to let them know if I figure out what the problem might be.  (Like I would know this stuff more than them,
 eh?  lol  Geez...)  My only guess is the ground wire inside the metal shielding is damaged or somehow not correctly made.  Would that cause a problem resulting in ES symptoms?  Could there be a situation in which the wire could have gotten a kink in it that damaged it?  Could a faulty dehumidifier (the last thing plugged into that circuit) cause damage to the wire?  (Now know, to my knowledge, there is nothing wrong with this dehumidifier except it does bother me ES-wise a bit.)  Any ideas, Anyone?
 
Thanks,
Diane

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
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Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:39 PM


 



Hi again, R and Andrew,
 
With the flaps out and emf fabric draped over the hammock, the fabric would be about 2 feet away on all sides.  Do you think this would be far enough away, Andrew?
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 9/30/10, R. Ticle <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
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Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 11:30 AM

 

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your thoughts.  If I do end up trying it, I'll let you (all) know.  In the meantime, if anyone else has suggestions, too, I'd like to hear them.

Thanks!

R.

--- On Thu, 9/30/10, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

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I have had bad results if I let a metallic shielding fabric touch me

while I sleep. I think it is best to keep the fabric away from the skin.

If your blanket is think enough and doesn't conduct electricity, maybe

it will work. It is all up to how you feel.

There is an energetic layer of energy hovering around the body

(learned/saw this will studying at the Barbara Brennan School of

Healing) and I have found if silver mesh comes near it, my body gets

thrown out; fatigue, weird pains and sensations, tingling, sharp

pricks, heart weakness, etc.

Lead isn't a great RF blocker but I have found using a lead hat, I

have enough relief to sleep. I have yet to purchase a full body lead

apron.

If you can set up a structure around you that keep the RF shielding

fabric at least a few feet away that may produce better results.

Good luck and let me know what you find works. I am still experimenting.

Thank you,

Andrew

On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:10 AM, R. Ticle wrote:

> Hi people,

>

> Long time no typing. I might be helping someone move to an

> apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight. It's in a house

> at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a

> suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I

> haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my

> meters with me.

>

> However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit

> better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the

> lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on

> top of my, separated by just a blanket)?

>

> What about it also covering my head/face?

>

> Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me?

> Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the

> bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?

>

> Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?

>

> The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any

> outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

>

> I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the

> fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

>

> If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon,

> I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare. Thanks kindly,

> and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just

> don't have the head to go searching right now.

>

> Cheers,

>

> R.

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

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Theoretically yes. It all depends on the person and actually living  
with it.
Look forward to hearing how it works.
Thank you,
Andrew

On Sep 30, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Evie wrote:

Ooops, I was wrong--the fabric would be closer on the head and feet ends, but possibly this could also be modified to work.  I won't be able to try this anytime soon, unfortunately, Andrew.  I am up to my neck in high water and allegators right now.  ;)  I do want to go here, tho, and try it. 
 
Thanks for your thoughts,
Diane
 


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Theoretically yes. It all depends on the person and actually living
with it.
Look forward to hearing how it works.
Thank you,
Andrew

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Diane, I have no idea either... Also not that much experience in measuring either!

My best guesses:

-Reflection of metal (in roof, insulation, walls, floor heating, airco vents, solar power on roof,...?)

-Some emf-source in the house you did not detect yet (unlikely I suppose): if you put off the fuse box you measure the same?

-You mention reading more on bedroom window... Do you read more on 1st/2nd floor vs ground floor? Maybe the higher the more emf you measure, that would definitely be true in NYC I guess, but not so much on the countryside?!

-You're sure that bug meter measures high freq. emf only and not low freq. emf?

Hey there,

Long time indeed.  Unfortunately, this was the first season that I wasn't in my trailer on a farm in a couple of years - other health issues (joint pains, probably from injuries and hypermobile joints) just said "no" to farmwork, as well as the usual having to sort things out in my life and find an income situation.  Arrgh. ;)

That sounds like a neat idea, an RF-proof cocoon.  But, you're right - time doesn't allow for that this time 'round.  Gotta go for an MRI tonight for my knee (please, nobody tell me how I shouldn't, I've put it off long enough and they need to see what's going on in there - if anyone wants to say something about it, just send me some good wishes, lol), and depending on how I feel tomorrow will determine if I help this person move. 

Thanks again for the thoughts - it's always good to see such good ideas.

Take care,

R.

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      Hi, R!

 

Missed you!  Hope your RV stay on the farm was emf-free and worked well for you.  Are you back home now for the winter?

 

I have given some thought to this situation myself and I doubt this will help you in the time you have to prepare, but possibly one of us might have the materials to try it for a later time and report as to whether it works, if someone out there has this type of hammock....

 

My father used to have an Army hammock--it was all heavy canvas (but may have had a few metal grommets--I don't remember--but these possibly could be worked around or modified) and it was totally enclosed with mesh windows on the two long sides.  One side had a nylon zipper to get in and out of the hammock.  The "roof" of it could be used down or up (in the "up" position, it resembled wings) and the hammock was still totally enclosed.  You  could put the flaps down according to rain and wind needs, but in the "up" position, I was thinking that emf fabric could be draped easily over the entire hammock or sewn in such a way that the ropes of the hammock could pass thru where needed.  Actually, if you could use velcro to enclose the bottom in some way so that you could still get into the hammock, there is no reason you could not even enclose the bottom.

 

I am not sure which would work best--having the emf fabric drape on the ground or just inches above it or close it entirely with velcro.  This whole idea does necessitate having 2 trees the right space, but I think it would work well as long as you were close to a forest.  It wouldn't work in extreme cold, but I used to sleep in it when it was fairly cold--Dad put a heavy sleeping bag inside it.  I am guessing that these hammocks are still in existence!  ;)  We used these hammocks when we went camping.  We were as snug as bugs.  Very comfy.

 

Sorry I cannot think of anything you can use that is more immediate! 

I wish you the best, R,

Diane/ Evie

 

 



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From: R. Ticle <[hidden email]>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?

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Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 10:10 AM



 



Hi people,



Long time no typing.  I might be helping someone move to an apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight.  It's in a house at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my meters with me.



However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on top of my, separated by just a blanket)?



What about it also covering my head/face?



Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me? Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?



Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?



The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.



I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.



If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon, I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare.  Thanks kindly, and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just don't have the head to go searching right now.



Cheers,



R.



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Hi, Stephen,
 
I didn't have the meter long enough to do a very good check, but it appeared that in the master bedroom, the meter spiked closer to the floor, under the window.  It is interesting that the Gauss meter spiked in exactly the same place when I measured there with that.  I cannot see that anything could be there!  I also cannot see what is outside there--there is a thick shrub hedge under the window.  Perhaps this calls for some redesigning of the gardens, Stephen!  ;)  Nothing is under the floor there tho.  Before we rewired the house, we had all metal that could be removed, taken out from under that room.  We moved all the water and gas lines to the opposite side of the house, because it made no sense to have the pipes there in the first place--no sinks, stoves, etc there.  The house was REALLY full of metal when we bought it and we were able to cut out about half of it and at least 4 bushel baskets of electrical and telephone wiring--no
 kidding either! 
 
There is no solar, no aluminum in attic or under shingles, no insulation problem.  Possibly ductwork.  Between ducts and metal shielded cable, there is still quite a bit of metal going on.  But the meter measures the same everywhere, not more nearer the metal--that was the first place I rechecked with the meter.  The house is a 1 story brick house with a cement block basement.  One would think it would measure wireless differently nearer the metal, at least.  This was why I thought the bug meter was possibly not a true measure, even tho the inspector thought it would work for picking up all wireless frequencies.  Possibly it picks up just a particular spectrum of wireless frequencies.  Interestingly, the inspector teaches electrical wiring and he uses this meter to catch students cheating on tests (texting each other the answers).
 
Not sure what frequencies this meter measures.  The meter used was a DC 2020 (I think this was the name.)  The inspector took off with his meter before I could check anywhere with the circuits off.  He gave it to me to "play with" while he was talking with the electrician, just to see whether I could detect high wireless frequencies with it in any of the spots I thought wireless was bothering me.  The results were only 50/ 50.  In 2 places I had detected what I thought were wireless frequencies, the meter spiked.  In 2 more places I thought I felt wireless frequencies, the meter did not spike.  Interestingly, it also did not spike near the windows which are yet unshielded and I also think I feel wireless frequencies coming thru the windows.
 
Thanks for your input, Stephen.  I appreciate it.
Diane 

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Diane, I have no idea either... Also not that much experience in measuring
either!

My best guesses:

-Reflection of metal (in roof, insulation, walls, floor heating, airco
vents, solar power on roof,...?)

-Some emf-source in the house you did not detect yet (unlikely I suppose):
if you put off the fuse box you measure the same?

-You mention reading more on bedroom window... Do you read more on 1st/2nd
floor vs ground floor? Maybe the higher the more emf you measure, that would
definitely be true in NYC I guess, but not so much on the countryside?!

-You're sure that bug meter measures high freq. emf only and not low freq.
emf?

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Hi again, R,
 
Bless you, dear.  I hope all goes well with your MRI and you get helpful news from having it.  Here, all this time I thought you were off enjoying yourself in your RV!  Sorry to hear you have been in pain all this time!  Sending some good healing vibes your way.  Be well,
Diane

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From: R. Ticle <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 5:14 PM


 



Hey there,

Long time indeed.  Unfortunately, this was the first season that I wasn't in my trailer on a farm in a couple of years - other health issues (joint pains, probably from injuries and hypermobile joints) just said "no" to farmwork, as well as the usual having to sort things out in my life and find an income situation.  Arrgh. ;)

That sounds like a neat idea, an RF-proof cocoon.  But, you're right - time doesn't allow for that this time 'round.  Gotta go for an MRI tonight for my knee (please, nobody tell me how I shouldn't, I've put it off long enough and they need to see what's going on in there - if anyone wants to say something about it, just send me some good wishes, lol), and depending on how I feel tomorrow will determine if I help this person move. 

Thanks again for the thoughts - it's always good to see such good ideas.

Take care,

R.

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: [hidden email]
Received: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 5:34 PM

 

Hi, R!

 

Missed you!  Hope your RV stay on the farm was emf-free and worked well for you.  Are you back home now for the winter?

 

I have given some thought to this situation myself and I doubt this will help you in the time you have to prepare, but possibly one of us might have the materials to try it for a later time and report as to whether it works, if someone out there has this type of hammock....

 

My father used to have an Army hammock--it was all heavy canvas (but may have had a few metal grommets--I don't remember--but these possibly could be worked around or modified) and it was totally enclosed with mesh windows on the two long sides.  One side had a nylon zipper to get in and out of the hammock.  The "roof" of it could be used down or up (in the "up" position, it resembled wings) and the hammock was still totally enclosed.  You  could put the flaps down according to rain and wind needs, but in the "up" position, I was thinking that emf fabric could be draped easily over the entire hammock or sewn in such a way that the ropes of the hammock could pass thru where needed.  Actually, if you could use velcro to enclose the bottom in some way so that you could still get into the hammock, there is no reason you could not even enclose the bottom.

 

I am not sure which would work best--having the emf fabric drape on the ground or just inches above it or close it entirely with velcro.  This whole idea does necessitate having 2 trees the right space, but I think it would work well as long as you were close to a forest.  It wouldn't work in extreme cold, but I used to sleep in it when it was fairly cold--Dad put a heavy sleeping bag inside it.  I am guessing that these hammocks are still in existence!  ;)  We used these hammocks when we went camping.  We were as snug as bugs.  Very comfy.

 

Sorry I cannot think of anything you can use that is more immediate! 

I wish you the best, R,

Diane/ Evie

 

 

--- On Thu, 9/30/10, R. Ticle <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: R. Ticle <[hidden email]>

Subject: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?

To: [hidden email], [hidden email]

Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 10:10 AM

 

Hi people,

Long time no typing.  I might be helping someone move to an apartment tomorrow and may have to stay overnight.  It's in a house at least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my meters with me.

However, if I do have to stay overnight and want it to be a bit better, what are your thoughts on sleeping directly under the lightweight, mesh type RF shielding fabric (with it practically on top of my, separated by just a blanket)?

What about it also covering my head/face?

Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing conductive underneath me? Could I spread one of those metallic "emergency" blankets on the bottom underneath me and have the RF shielding mesh on top?

Does it matter if it only covers my body and not my head?

The only precautions I can think of are to avoid having it near any outlets or electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

I should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

If anyone would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon, I'd appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare.  Thanks kindly, and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just don't have the head to go searching right now.

Cheers,

R.

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puk replies - maybe its the length of the wire which is acting as a  
re-radiator for some signal somewhere ?
 
 
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Hi again, All,

On a quest for some answers today....  I  have recently had new wiring put
in and am having a problem with one  circuit, which seemingly does not make
sense.....

It is a  dedicated circuit for a washing machine.  I noticed one night (by  
turning circuits off until the offensive circuit was found) that this
circuit  causes me ES symptoms.  My electrician returned to check it out, along  
with the local wiring inspector (it was the inspector who had the  "bug"
detector which we used in last email).  Anyway, they opened the  circuit panel
and checked the connection--no problem.  They opened the  outlet cover and
looked there--no problem.  What can the problem  be?  The circuit bothers me
unless it is off at the circuit box  regardless of whether there is anything
plugged in to it or  not.  We have hospital grade metal clad wiring, btw.  
Could  something be wrong with the wire itself and cause a problem that
would lead to  ES symptoms?  The electrician and inspector just shrugged and  
left.  They told me to let them know if I figure out what the problem  might
be.  (Like I would know this stuff more than them,
eh?   lol  Geez...)  My only guess is the ground wire inside the metal  
shielding is damaged or somehow not correctly made.  Would that  cause a
problem resulting in ES symptoms?  Could there be a situation in  which the wire
could have gotten a kink in it that damaged it?  Could a  faulty dehumidifier
(the last thing plugged into that circuit) cause damage to  the wire?  (Now
know, to my knowledge, there is nothing wrong with this  dehumidifier
except it does bother me ES-wise a bit.)  Any ideas,  Anyone?

Thanks,
Diane

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From: Evie <_evie15422@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Subject:  Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date:  Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:39 PM



Hi again, R and  Andrew,

With the flaps out and emf fabric draped over the  hammock, the fabric
would be about 2 feet away on all sides.  Do you  think this would be far enough
away, Andrew?

Diane

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From: R. Ticle <_rticleone@yahoo.ca_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Subject: Re:  [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date:  Thursday, September 30, 2010, 11:30 AM



Hi  Andrew,

Thanks for your thoughts.  If I do end up trying it, I'll  let you (all)
know.  In the meantime, if anyone else has suggestions,  too, I'd like to hear
them.

Thanks!

R.

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From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email].com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Subject:  Re: [eSens] Sleeping directly under shielding fabric?
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Received:  Thursday, September 30, 2010, 2:22 PM



I have had bad  results if I let a metallic shielding fabric touch me

while I sleep. I  think it is best to keep the fabric away from the skin.

If your blanket  is think enough and doesn't conduct electricity, maybe

it will work.  It is all up to how you feel.

There is an energetic layer of energy  hovering around the body

(learned/saw this will studying at the  Barbara Brennan School of

Healing) and I have found if silver mesh  comes near it, my body gets

thrown out; fatigue, weird pains and  sensations, tingling, sharp

pricks, heart weakness, etc.

Lead  isn't a great RF blocker but I have found using a lead hat, I

have  enough relief to sleep. I have yet to purchase a full body lead  

apron.

If you can set up a structure around you that keep the  RF shielding

fabric at least a few feet away that may produce better  results.

Good luck and let me know what you find works. I am still  experimenting.

Thank you,

Andrew

On Sep 30, 2010, at  10:10 AM, R. Ticle wrote:

> Hi people,

>

> Long  time no typing. I might be helping someone move to an

> apartment  tomorrow and may have to stay overnight. It's in a house

> at  least, and they have no WiFi in the house itself, but it's in a

>  suburban area of a city that has a lot of towers and such crap; I

>  haven't checked the place ahead of time and will be bringing my

>  meters with me.

>

> However, if I do have to stay  overnight and want it to be a bit

> better, what are your thoughts  on sleeping directly under the

> lightweight, mesh type RF  shielding fabric (with it practically on

> top of my, separated by  just a blanket)?

>

> What about it also covering my  head/face?

>

> Is this a risk if, say, there's nothing  conductive underneath me?

> Could I spread one of those metallic  "emergency" blankets on the

> bottom underneath me and have the RF  shielding mesh on top?

>

> Does it matter if it only  covers my body and not my head?

>

> The only precautions I  can think of are to avoid having it near any

> outlets or  electronics to avoid picking up electric fields.

>

> I  should mention that it would be unlikely that I could ground the

>  fabric in such a quick, makeshift situation.

>

> If anyone  would be kind enough to let me know what you think soon,

> I'd  appreciate it, so I have the chance to prepare. Thanks kindly,

>  and sorry if this has been covered on these lists before; I just

>  don't have the head to go searching right now.

>

>  Cheers,

>

>  R.

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 30/09/2010 19:25:59 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi again, All,

I found out recently that wireless emfs  are higher inside my house than
outside and I cannot figure out why (no phones  or wireless equipment that I
know of are in that house).  Do any of you  know reasons this could occur?  
Also, we were using a "bug" detector to  measure.  Perhaps this is an
inaccurate meter for reading wifi???   The readings were fairly consistent all over
the house and are one bar higher  than the outside readings.  I need to
investigate further in  a couple spots where the readings spiked (one WAS in
the master bedroom  by the window, but we looked closely and could find no
"bugs").  This is  my "newer" house I am talking about and the former owner
there was  fairly addicted to technology.  Could he have hooked up something in
the  house that we have yet not found?  What should we be looking for, if
this  is the case?

Thanks for all input.  
Diane

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puk replies - what are the walls made of and what is the insulation made of
 ? could it be metal foil type ?
 
 
In a message dated 30/09/2010 19:25:59 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi again, All,

I found out recently that wireless emfs  are higher inside my house than
outside and I cannot figure out why (no phones  or wireless equipment that I
know of are in that house).  Do any of you  know reasons this could occur?  
Also, we were using a "bug" detector to  measure.  Perhaps this is an
inaccurate meter for reading wifi???   The readings were fairly consistent all over
the house and are one bar higher  than the outside readings.  I need to
investigate further in  a couple spots where the readings spiked (one WAS in
the master bedroom  by the window, but we looked closely and could find no
"bugs").  This is  my "newer" house I am talking about and the former owner
there was  fairly addicted to technology.  Could he have hooked up something in
the  house that we have yet not found?  What should we be looking for, if
this  is the case?

Thanks for all input.  
Diane

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