Shielding for 23 Ghz Wimax? Need help, please.

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> Welcome Debbi,
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> I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about
> the following statement:
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> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute
> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets
> > they sell.
>
> Did they elaborate on this?  I think we've got more than a few people
> here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they
> do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>

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> Welcome Debbi,
>
> I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about
> the following statement:
>
> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute
> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets
> > they sell.
>
> Did they elaborate on this?  I think we've got more than a few people
> here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they
> do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>

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> Thanks, Marc for welcoming me to the group.  I went through my email in
> box and found Martin Zucker's email about Earthing Institute's grounded
> sheets.  (See below)
>
> I'm reluctant to  ground using the outlets in my house as I have high
> MGauss (stray voltage) readings as I am one of six townhouse units that
> share the same water pipe and meter, thus the same ground, not to mention
> the fire sprinkler system we share.  (I really don't know for sure if this
> a problem, but it concerns me.) I can't exactly run a line out of my house
> into a metal ground outside because of townhouse association rules.  Plus,
> now the ground is frozen pretty solid here in MN - :>)
>
> So I'm wondering about using Argenmesh fabric as sheets without grounding
> them.
> Anyone know anything about this?
>
> Thanks,
> Debbi
>
>
> (Martin Zucker's email)
> "Hi Debbi
> If you are electrosensitive, you would want to start very slowly with
> Earthing.  You might even want to stand or walk or sit outdoors on grass
> or gravel or sand or unpainted concrete and see how you feel.  That is the
> equivalent of using the Earthing products indoors.
> If you decide to get an Earthing sheet, make direct skin contact and see
> how you feel.  Some electrosensitive people have to increase their
> exposure to the Earth's energy very slowly.  So take it slow.
> Regarding rf frequency, rf signals are not attracted to metals.  Metals
> just react to them more than other materials because they are good
> conductors and have a number of electrons free to move according to the
> electric field of the rf signal. That is why antennas are made of metal.
> The movement of electrons inside the metallic antenna can be detected by
> sensitive electronics and transformed in sounds (radio) or images (TV).
> The silver in the sheet will not attract more rf signals. Because the
> electrons in the metal respond to the rf signal, sheets contaning metal
> will stop the rf signal. In other words, the rf signal does not penetrate
> much through the sheets. This protects you from them. But the biggest
> protection the sheets give you is access to the earth's electrons which
> will neutralize reactive oxygen species (ROS), oxidative agents inside
> your body that damage your cells (electrons are the source of the
> neutralizing power of antioxidants). The earth's electrons also carry
> frequencies that the body uses to synchronizes itself to circadian cycles
> and other universal cycles (moon cycle, for example).
> Hope that is helpful
> Martin Zucker for the Earthing Project"
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>>
>> Welcome Debbi,
>>
>> I don't know the answer to your main question, but I was curious about
>> the following statement:
>>
>> > One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute
>> > said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets
>> > they sell.
>>
>> Did they elaborate on this?  I think we've got more than a few people
>> here using the Earthing grounded sheets, so I'm curious what they
>> do/don't recommend for electrosensitives.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marc
>>
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> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this forum. My name is Debbi and I live in a townhouse in a
> suburb of Minneapolis, MN. I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell
> antennas and at least 5 microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are
> pulsing at 23 GHz. This number really surprised me when I looked it up on
> antennasearch.com It seems very high.
>
> My symptoms of electrosensitivity are burning and tingling, and I am
> retired so I'm at home most of the time. I'm looking to shield myself either
> by using shielding fabric as sheets or curtains, and am wondering if anyone
> having experience or knowledge about this would share information with me.
>
> ArgenMesh fabric from lessemf.com protects to 40Ghz. Its conductivity is
> <0.5 Ohm per square. Would anyone on this forum
> know if I were to use this fabric for sheets without grounding it, would
> there be any problem for me as an electrosensitive?
>
> One of the reasons I ask is because the folks at the Earthing Institute
> said if I were electrosensitive I should go easy on the grounded sheets they
> sell.
>
> Also, would someone please explain how the Ohm measurement related to the
> need for grounding.
>
> Also, I have metal mini-blinds on my windows near where I'm sleeping. They
> seem to block the rf from nearby neighbors' wifi when they are closed. (I've
> tested this with my Palm Pilot. I don't use wifi in my home.) I don't know
> if the metal blinds are protecting or harming me, since some say metal
> reflects RF. I don't have any RF devices in my sleeping area.
>
> Any experience, advice or help you can give would be greatly appreciated...
>
> Best regards,
> Debbi
>
>  
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> It's possible for an ungrounded metal object to resonate, so
> that's another reason, but to prevent that you need a low inductance
> path to ground, so no long wires (use a strap about 8 times longer
> than it is wide).
>
> Fabrics and screens have to be very fine to get up to that
> high frequency, but foils will work fine, often all the way up to
> visible light.
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> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:50 PM, hspmn brudedj@... wrote:
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> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm new to this forum. My name is Debbi and I live in a townhouse in

> >
> > Best regards,
> > Debbi
> >
> >
> >
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> Walking on the Earth is generally NOT the same as grounding/earthing
> indoors. The reason is simple: Outdoors there are no sources of strong
> electric field (aka high voltage). Indoors there will be voltage present, in
> all the wires and appliances (assuming they are not turned off at the
> breaker).
>
> Remember, as I have said over and over, electric field is voltage (V)
> divided by distance (m) or V/m. When you introduce a ground near a voltage,
> you have decreased m between the voltage a ground. This increases the
> electric field in that space.
>
> There are several ways around this.
> 1- before doing grounding, check with an electric field meter. Locate
> sources of voltage relative to the position of the ground. Put the ground
> BETWEEN yourself and the voltage.
>
> 2- if you are between 2 (or more) voltages, you may need 2 (or more)grounds.
> In a bed setting, that means putting your self BETWEEN 2 grounding sheets.
>
> Emil
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> 23 GHz is very high.  I suspect it's a misprint as 2.4 GHz is
> very common.  23 would travel very line of sight, and would
> not penetrate very far beyond your skin (but might cause tingling
> in the skin?)
>
> Grounding is less important at higher frequencies in terms
> of reflecting the signal.  But grounding can be important for
> safety, if the curtain gets pushed into an electrical plug or something.
> It's possible for an ungrounded metal object to resonate, so
> that's another reason, but to prevent that you need a low inductance
> path to ground, so no long wires (use a strap about 8 times longer
> than it is wide).
>
> Fabrics and screens have to be very fine to get up to that
> high frequency, but foils will work fine, often all the way up to
> visible light.
>

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> Hi Debbi,
>
> 23 GHz is very high, and would not be used for WiMax to consumers
> _inside_ the home. Those frequencies are only used for point to point
> between towers, and direct line of sight from satellite dishes up to
> satellites.
> Tall hilltops are frequently populated with little round microwave
> dishes pointed at the next hilltop miles away.
> The Upload frequency for Wildblue internet is 29.5 - 30.0 GHz for
> example, and Downlink is 19.7 - 20.2 GHz. Those dishes are all too
> common in rural areas with no DSL or fiber options for consumers.
>
> 1200 ft sounds too close to shield sufficiently. It depends on how
> sensitive you are though.
>
> Stewart
>
> hspmn wrote:
> >  I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and at least 5 microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23 GHz.  This number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com    It seems very high.
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> 1000m would be best and even then make sure you are not in line of site or  
> lobe spread
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> puk
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> In a message dated 25/01/2011 16:57:12 GMT Standard Time,  
> charles@... writes:
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> hspmn  wrote:
> > I'm 1200 ft from a water tower with 40 plus cell antennas and  at least 5
> microwave antennas, new in August, some of which are pulsing at 23  GHz.
> This number really surprised me when I looked it up on antennasearch.com  It
> seems very high.
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> --- At 06:47 PM 24, 24 01 2011, emraware wrote:
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> >According to Wikipedia, looks like WiMAX is typically lower in frequency (e.g., 2.3 GHz), but the original standard specified up to 66 GHz, so theoretically 23 GHz Wimax is a possibility:
> >
> > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX: 
> >"There is no uniform global licensed spectrum for WiMAX, however the WiMAX Forum has published three licensed spectrum profiles: 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz, in an effort to drive standardisation and decrease cost."
> >
> >"The original version of the standard on which WiMAX is based (IEEE 802.16) specified a physical layer operating in the 10 to 66 GHz range. 802.16a, updated in 2004 to 802.16-2004, added specifications for the 2 to 11 GHz range."
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> Hi,
>
> My first time posting here.
>
> Apparently 23 GHz is a standard for telecommunications network "backhaul",
> that is used to link base stations to the "core network".
>
> Backhaul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backhaul_%28telecommunications%29
> ......... http://www.telecomengine.com/International/article.asp?HH_ID=AR_2351
>
> Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart... 2.5 - 80 GHz
> http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
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> Point-to-Point Wireless and Backhaul - a PDF Brochure:
> <http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Products/Wireless%20Networks/Wireless%20Broadband%20Networks/Point-to-Point/_Documents/staticfiles/BRO_PTP_Portfolio%20Overview.pdf?localeId=33>
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> Google: - 23 Ghz microwave backhaul
> http://www.google.com/search?q=23+Ghz+microwave+backhaul
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> John
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