Shielding against wireless networks from neighbours houses..
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Shielding against wireless networks from neighbours houses..
 
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Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router
that I can pick up on in my house. I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? Sorry if this has been covered.. Cheers Pete |
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Oh boy,
We just spent an overnight at my Grandmother's house, hours away; it's a small two story house in a very quiet, and what is probably a nice, well maintained neighborhood for seniors. There's a water tower in the distance with some kind of antennae on it, butthey seem to be pointed in the other direction; you can also make out a cell tower far off in the other way, but its signal seems pretty negligible. However! - her neighbor, also a senior, is enamored with gadgetry; he, too,must have some WiFi or DECT garbage in his house, on the side facing my Grandmother's house's kitchen/living room. The homes are close together, andif they were clad in aluminum siding, this wouldn't be a real problem - but the siding is vinyl. At the edge of the kitchen, on the wall, facing this neighbor, it's over 200 mW/m2, somewhere between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, at times, according to a Gigahertz Solutions RF meter. They don't have "smart" hydro-electric meters.I know it's coming from the neighbor - at night I walked between the houses. On his side, there's RF; on the otherside, there's barely any. Without going *too much* into how frustrating it is that my Grandmother likes the neighbor, he helps her (otherwise!), and she would be furious if I approached him, discreetly or not, even though she basically accepts that it's probably not a good thing, and that (though I daren't upset her by mentioning it) having that come through her house constantly may be contributingto her sleeping problems, memory issues, and recurring cancer on the face,etc. Argh! Why is it politically incorrect to ask a neighbor to please make a small adjustment in the placement of some electronic toy to refrain from hurting your Grandmother? I don't know if he'd listen - imagine if you were 70 or 80 some years old, you think you're doing your part with these new energy saving CFL bulbs, you like your cordless phones and this wireless internet is just wonderfully convenient. You're minding your business, getting every last leaf off the lawn and spraying down the vinyl siding with your new high pressure sprayerfrom Canadian Tire, and along comes this twenty-something little sh*t in asnug tshirt and starts telling you that you're making some kind of mistake? Get off my lawn, kid! (No offense intended toward any of the older readers of this list! This neighbor's probably a nice guy, he just seems like a serious suburban neatnik of the highest order, and, like many, thrilled with high tech, and possiblyvery set in his ways). Now - after that rather long rant - sorry, I had to get it off my chest, itwasn't the most relaxing trip for me - back to shielding. What I did was by no means a full solution, but it helped for the night. Islept in the basement, putting the bed as far back from the neighbor's side as possible. (Yes, you can even get the RF in the basement, a very distinct tone, sometimes over 20-30 mw/m2 in spots.) Then I covered a large area of the wall and a window near the neighbor's side, far from my bed, with shielding fabric and aluminum foil. It was haphazardly done, but at the distance of my bed where my head was, it got the RFdown between 0.0 and 0.3 mW/m2. Certainly anywhere outside of the range of my little "shell", you could read it, but it made for a better sleeping area. So - it's possible that you could get away with shielding one side of the house - *if* that's the only source of wireless signal, from one direction. If it's not, and you only do a partial shielding job, you could end up with worse problems, because the RF might still get it, or from another source, and bounce around back at you due to reflections. Make sure you've got a good directional RF meter for this kind of job. As for material...the usual: shielding fabric, aluminum foil, carbon-paint (expensive!), fly-screen (metal), other conductive materials, dragon-board...anything I'm missing? Best of all would be to plead for your neighbor's sanity - see if they'd atleast relocate the device in question. Failing that, a good shielding jobwould be in order (or maybe you could shove it in their face by sticking up a great big slab of sheet metal between your houses. Tell them you're improving their wireless signal by bouncing it back to them. Okay - maybe that wouldn't be so diplomatic). Sorry for the drifting words. Any others with more knowledge/experience ofhow to shield, please fill in what I've probably missed. Good luck, I hope it works out for you! R. --- In [hidden email], pete <peter.needham@...> wrote: > > Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router > that I can pick up on in my house. > > I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my > house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? > > Sorry if this has been covered.. > > Cheers > Pete > |
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Paint the walls with carbon paint
On 31-May-09, at 8:14 AM, pete wrote: > > > Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router > that I can pick up on in my house. > > I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my > house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? > > Sorry if this has been covered.. > > Cheers > Pete > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], "rticleone" <rticleone@...> wrote:
> > Oh boy, > > We just spent an overnight at my Grandmother's house, hours away; it's a small two story house in a very quiet, and what is probably a nice, well maintained neighborhood for seniors. > > There's a water tower in the distance with some kind of antennae on it, but they seem to be pointed in the other direction; you can also make out a cell tower far off in the other way, but its signal seems pretty negligible. > > However! - her neighbor, also a senior, is enamored with gadgetry; he, too, must have some WiFi or DECT garbage in his house, on the side facing my Grandmother's house's kitchen/living room. The homes are close together, and if they were clad in aluminum siding, this wouldn't be a real problem - but the siding is vinyl. > > At the edge of the kitchen, on the wall, facing this neighbor, it's over 200 mW/m2, somewhere between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, at times, according to a Gigahertz Solutions RF meter. They don't have "smart" hydro-electric meters. I know it's coming from the neighbor - at night I walked between the houses. On his side, there's RF; on the otherside, there's barely any. > > Without going *too much* into how frustrating it is that my Grandmother likes the neighbor, he helps her (otherwise!), and she would be furious if Iapproached him, discreetly or not, even though she basically accepts that it's probably not a good thing, and that (though I daren't upset her by mentioning it) having that come through her house constantly may be contributing to her sleeping problems, memory issues, and recurring cancer on the face, etc. Argh! > Why is it politically incorrect to ask a neighbor to please make a small adjustment in the placement of some electronic toy to refrain from hurting your Grandmother? > > I don't know if he'd listen - imagine if you were 70 or 80 some years old, you think you're doing your part with these new energy saving CFL bulbs, you like your cordless phones and this wireless internet is just wonderfully convenient. You're minding your business, getting every last leaf off the lawn and spraying down the vinyl siding with your new high pressure sprayer from Canadian Tire, and along comes this twenty-something little sh*t ina snug tshirt and starts telling you that you're making some kind of mistake? Get off my lawn, kid! > > (No offense intended toward any of the older readers of this list! This neighbor's probably a nice guy, he just seems like a serious suburban neatnik of the highest order, and, like many, thrilled with high tech, and possibly very set in his ways). > > Now - after that rather long rant - sorry, I had to get it off my chest, it wasn't the most relaxing trip for me - back to shielding. > > What I did was by no means a full solution, but it helped for the night. I slept in the basement, putting the bed as far back from the neighbor's side as possible. (Yes, you can even get the RF in the basement, a very distinct tone, sometimes over 20-30 mw/m2 in spots.) > > Then I covered a large area of the wall and a window near the neighbor's side, far from my bed, with shielding fabric and aluminum foil. It was haphazardly done, but at the distance of my bed where my head was, it got the RF down between 0.0 and 0.3 mW/m2. Certainly anywhere outside of the rangeof my little "shell", you could read it, but it made for a better sleepingarea. > > So - it's possible that you could get away with shielding one side of thehouse - *if* that's the only source of wireless signal, from one direction. If it's not, and you only do a partial shielding job, you could end up with worse problems, because the RF might still get it, or from another source, and bounce around back at you due to reflections. > > Make sure you've got a good directional RF meter for this kind of job. > > As for material...the usual: shielding fabric, aluminum foil, carbon-paint (expensive!), fly-screen (metal), other conductive materials, dragon-board...anything I'm missing? > > Best of all would be to plead for your neighbor's sanity - see if they'd at least relocate the device in question. Failing that, a good shielding job would be in order (or maybe you could shove it in their face by stickingup a great big slab of sheet metal between your houses. Tell them you're improving their wireless signal by bouncing it back to them. Okay - maybe that wouldn't be so diplomatic). > > Sorry for the drifting words. Any others with more knowledge/experience of how to shield, please fill in what I've probably missed. > > Good luck, I hope it works out for you! > > R. > > > --- In [hidden email], pete <peter.needham@> wrote: > > > > Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router > > that I can pick up on in my house. > > > > I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my > > house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? > > > > Sorry if this has been covered.. > > > > Cheers > > Pete > > > |
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I've been shielding my house for quite a long time now. I never stop. I live in a mobile home with aluminum siding and two aluminum roofs. I've shielded the inside walls as well. It could take a lot of shielding but you would want to shield one side of the house that faces the neighbors house. I'm not sure if I'd want to use aluminum though cause then you'll be bouncing stuff back at you that is coming from the other direction.
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Hiya, thanks fro all that info! - I can identify with the frustration of
having good people doing bad things through lack of knowledge! I did once try putting a large iron bloack on the left side of a neighbours wireless router (it was next to my sons room) but this didnt seem to have any effect - mind you, my measuring equipment is an iTouch ! I was told that wireless signals actually wrap around corners (which to me seemed both improbable at first, then totally probable thinking about reflections and bouncing etc..) Would appreciate some info on purchasing good meters for measuring RF, I already have a middle of the range trifield EMF meter, and its very useful - its amazing that however much you talk to somebody about high levels of EMF, they don't seem to think it applies to them, until you pull out your EMF meter in their house and they see the thing reading a high level! It turns you into a real scientist right there on the spot ! Anyhow - thanks again - will let you know how I go! One of the big issues is that the wall facing the neighbours house is mostly a window! Cheers Pete rticleone wrote: > Oh boy, > > We just spent an overnight at my Grandmother's house, hours away; it's a small two story house in a very quiet, and what is probably a nice, well maintained neighborhood for seniors. > > There's a water tower in the distance with some kind of antennae on it, but they seem to be pointed in the other direction; you can also make out a cell tower far off in the other way, but its signal seems pretty negligible. > > However! - her neighbor, also a senior, is enamored with gadgetry; he, too, must have some WiFi or DECT garbage in his house, on the side facing my Grandmother's house's kitchen/living room. The homes are close together, and if they were clad in aluminum siding, this wouldn't be a real problem - but the siding is vinyl. > > At the edge of the kitchen, on the wall, facing this neighbor, it's over 200 mW/m2, somewhere between 800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, at times, according to a Gigahertz Solutions RF meter. They don't have "smart" hydro-electric meters. I know it's coming from the neighbor - at night I walked between the houses. On his side, there's RF; on the otherside, there's barely any. > > Without going *too much* into how frustrating it is that my Grandmother likes the neighbor, he helps her (otherwise!), and she would be furious if I approached him, discreetly or not, even though she basically accepts that it's probably not a good thing, and that (though I daren't upset her by mentioning it) having that come through her house constantly may be contributing to her sleeping problems, memory issues, and recurring cancer on the face, etc. Argh! > Why is it politically incorrect to ask a neighbor to please make a small adjustment in the placement of some electronic toy to refrain from hurting your Grandmother? > > I don't know if he'd listen - imagine if you were 70 or 80 some years old, you think you're doing your part with these new energy saving CFL bulbs, you like your cordless phones and this wireless internet is just wonderfully convenient. You're minding your business, getting every last leaf off the lawn and spraying down the vinyl siding with your new high pressure sprayer from Canadian Tire, and along comes this twenty-something little sh*t in a snug tshirt and starts telling you that you're making some kind of mistake? Get off my lawn, kid! > > (No offense intended toward any of the older readers of this list! This neighbor's probably a nice guy, he just seems like a serious suburban neatnik of the highest order, and, like many, thrilled with high tech, and possibly very set in his ways). > > Now - after that rather long rant - sorry, I had to get it off my chest, it wasn't the most relaxing trip for me - back to shielding. > > What I did was by no means a full solution, but it helped for the night. I slept in the basement, putting the bed as far back from the neighbor's side as possible. (Yes, you can even get the RF in the basement, a very distinct tone, sometimes over 20-30 mw/m2 in spots.) > > Then I covered a large area of the wall and a window near the neighbor's side, far from my bed, with shielding fabric and aluminum foil. It was haphazardly done, but at the distance of my bed where my head was, it got the RF down between 0.0 and 0.3 mW/m2. Certainly anywhere outside of the range of my little "shell", you could read it, but it made for a better sleeping area. > > So - it's possible that you could get away with shielding one side of the house - *if* that's the only source of wireless signal, from one direction. If it's not, and you only do a partial shielding job, you could end up with worse problems, because the RF might still get it, or from another source, and bounce around back at you due to reflections. > > Make sure you've got a good directional RF meter for this kind of job. > > As for material...the usual: shielding fabric, aluminum foil, carbon-paint (expensive!), fly-screen (metal), other conductive materials, dragon-board...anything I'm missing? > > Best of all would be to plead for your neighbor's sanity - see if they'd at least relocate the device in question. Failing that, a good shielding job would be in order (or maybe you could shove it in their face by sticking up a great big slab of sheet metal between your houses. Tell them you're improving their wireless signal by bouncing it back to them. Okay - maybe that wouldn't be so diplomatic). > > Sorry for the drifting words. Any others with more knowledge/experience of how to shield, please fill in what I've probably missed. > > Good luck, I hope it works out for you! > > R. > > > --- In [hidden email], pete <peter.needham@...> wrote: > >> Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router >> that I can pick up on in my house. >> >> I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my >> house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? >> >> Sorry if this has been covered.. >> >> Cheers >> Pete >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Bob,
Really? - I guess my problem is that the wall I would need to paint is mostly a window! Are there other options that my wife wont balk at? And is carbon paint a common item in a hardware store, or is it something I will have to order in to Australia? thanks! Pete Bob Connolly wrote: > Paint the walls with carbon paint > On 31-May-09, at 8:14 AM, pete wrote: > > >> Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless router >> that I can pick up on in my house. >> >> I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my >> house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? >> >> Sorry if this has been covered.. >> >> Cheers >> Pete >> >> >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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yes it does seem like a never ending job - they keep inventing new ways
to infiltrate every living bit of space! I wonder if wireless signals are considered an intrusion into ones personal space if coming from a neighbour? - Does anyone know if the legal system has caught up with this yet? Cheers Pete [hidden email] wrote: > I've been shielding my house for quite a long time now. I never stop. I live in a mobile home with aluminum siding and two aluminum roofs. I've shielded the inside walls as well. It could take a lot of shielding but you would want to shield one side of the house that faces the neighbors house. I'm not sure if I'd want to use aluminum though cause then you'll be bouncing stuff back at you that is coming from the other direction. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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The paint is called y-shield.
http://www.yshield.com/ For windows - get tripple e glass installed. The glass that stops UV radiation also does a pretty good job with cell phones, dect and wifi. On 13-Jun-09, at 12:38 AM, pete wrote: > > > Hi Bob, > > Really? - I guess my problem is that the wall I would need to paint is > mostly a window! Are there other options that my wife wont balk at? > > And is carbon paint a common item in a hardware store, or is it > something I will have to order in to Australia? > > thanks! > Pete > > Bob Connolly wrote: > > Paint the walls with carbon paint > > On 31-May-09, at 8:14 AM, pete wrote: > > > > > >> Our thoughtful neighbors just put in a rather strong wireless > router > >> that I can pick up on in my house. > >> > >> I wish to shield myself and the family from its 'intrusion' into my > >> house, does anyone have any literature, ideas, comments? > >> > >> Sorry if this has been covered.. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Pete > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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