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debbie4god39

SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...i don't understand how some shielding might not at least be better than no shielding--would at least block some from getting in to effect us?

If not, I wonder why this wouldn't apply to shielding clothing as well?

Does anyone on here think the shielding paints helped them, even if there were few cracks or windows unshielded?

thanks all! debbie

Marc Martin

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

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> Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...

I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
transferred to the power lines)

Marc

debbie4god39

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

In reply to this post by debbie4god39

great ideas Marc! would carbon based paint have metal in it too?

In a message dated 1/12/2012 10:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

> Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...

I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
transferred to the power lines)

Marc

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CHELSEAPAUL

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to be a nightmare to get off...

Thanks

--- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@... wrote:

>
> great ideas Marc! would carbon based paint have metal in it too?
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2012 10:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> marc@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> > Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> > shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...
>
> I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
> back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
> extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
> EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
> transferred to the power lines)
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

charles-4

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

That is something others experience also.

The paint should be connected to a ground, so that electrical fields can go away.
But on the other hand, the groundcable may contain what I call *dirty air* frequencies.
I measure them between 5kHz and 30MHz.

So, I would suggest, that you disconnect the grounding connection to the paint, and see what it does to you.
Also, see that the electrical wires in the wall are without electricity.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by NIS2012

----- Original Message -----
From: chelseapaul1010
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:37 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to be a nightmare to get off...

Thanks

--- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@... wrote:
>
> great ideas Marc! would carbon based paint have metal in it too?
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2012 10:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> marc@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> > Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> > shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...
>
> I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
> back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
> extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
> EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
> transferred to the power lines)
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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CHELSEAPAUL

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Charles/Steven,

Thanks for your advice, I'll try removing the ground connection first before getting rid of the paint. The room is on the first floor, with and I am in a terraced house. I have put alluminium insulating foil on the floor under the carpet to try and prevent wifi waves from travelling up from below (my neighbours on both sides have wifi), and yes I have painted the ceiling. I think the main problem is that I only did one coat and perhaps you need to do two or three to prevent wifi getting in through the cracks and bouncing around inside. When I am in in the room for a few minutes I start to feel really hot, I don't know whether this is because the room can't 'breath' as easily now...or whether I am getting cooked! Really wish I had not bothered with the paint now, and expensive experiment gone wrong.

I'll try your advice re: the grounding though and see if that helps.

Thanks

Paul

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> That is something others experience also.
>
> The paint should be connected to a ground, so that electrical fields can go away.
> But on the other hand, the groundcable may contain what I call *dirty air* frequencies.
> I measure them between 5kHz and 30MHz.
>
> So, I would suggest, that you disconnect the grounding connection to the paint, and see what it does to you.
> Also, see that the electrical wires in the wall are without electricity.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by NIS2012
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: chelseapaul1010
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:37 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?
>
>
> Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to be a nightmare to get off...
>
> Thanks
>
> --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> >
> > great ideas Marc! would carbon based paint have metal in it too?
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/12/2012 10:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > marc@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> > > shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...
> >
> > I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
> > back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
> > extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
> > EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
> > transferred to the power lines)
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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marioruisr

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

In reply to this post by CHELSEAPAUL

Quoting chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]>:

>
>
>
> Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months
> ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the
> room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need
> to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep
> under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of
> removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be
> gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to
> be a nightmare to get off...
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

The problem may not be caused by radiation. With the painting, the
room may have been warmer. Therefore, this thermal effect may be
caused by increased temperature.

May be easier to coat the wall with another material, instead of
removing the ink.

Mario Rodrigues
emr-brainprotection.com

Elizabeth thode

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

I would suggest using a meter to measure the radiation; before assuming
there are no emf fields being locked into that painted room.
Using a coronet or other RF meter before painting and after would have been
the safest way to do this.
The burning feeling, is not the same as a room being warm or hot. Any ES person
who tends to feeling "burning" when exposed to radiation knows there is a difference
between being in a temperature hot area and being in the exposure field of radiation.
Also, any wiring in the walls could be adding to the fields. As would any ceiling fixtures,
radiator heaters or baseboard heaters, all of these put out emfs.
Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:45:44 +0100
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Quoting chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]>:

>

>

>

> Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months

> ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the

> room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need

> to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep

> under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of

> removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be

> gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to

> be a nightmare to get off...

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

The problem may not be caused by radiation. With the painting, the

room may have been warmer. Therefore, this thermal effect may be

caused by increased temperature.

May be easier to coat the wall with another material, instead of

removing the ink.

Mario Rodrigues

emr-brainprotection.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

In reply to this post by debbie4god39

try a battery powered AM radio tuned out to 1600khz or the opposite end of
the dial,in the room close to the paint to see if you have any low
frequency fields crawling over the walls -

In a message dated 07/06/2012 17:25:33 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I would suggest using a meter to measure the radiation; before assuming
there are no emf fields being locked into that painted room.
Using a coronet or other RF meter before painting and after would have been
the safest way to do this.
The burning feeling, is not the same as a room being warm or hot. Any ES
person
who tends to feeling "burning" when exposed to radiation knows there is a
difference
between being in a temperature hot area and being in the exposure field of
radiation.
Also, any wiring in the walls could be adding to the fields. As would any
ceiling fixtures,
radiator heaters or baseboard heaters, all of these put out emfs.
Lizzie

To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
From: _marioruisr@sapo.pt_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 13:45:44 +0100
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Quoting chelseapaul1010 <_chelseapaul1010@yahoo.com_
(mailto:[hidden email]) >:

>

>

>

> Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months

> ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the

> room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need

> to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep

> under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of

> removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be

> gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to

> be a nightmare to get off...

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

The problem may not be caused by radiation. With the painting, the

room may have been warmer. Therefore, this thermal effect may be

caused by increased temperature.

May be easier to coat the wall with another material, instead of

removing the ink.

Mario Rodrigues

emr-brainprotection.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

kikkie2004-2

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

In reply to this post by CHELSEAPAUL

HI

I have made a faraday cage out of aluminum foil of my bedroom.

It is on the ground floor. Initially I also had the floor covered with aluminum and it make the feeling of 'reflections' in the room unbearable even though my meters 'went quiet' in there.

When I took 'out' the floor again, it was heaps better. So I think a faraday cage needs to be on the ground floor, with the floor uncovered, for some reason.

Also I needed to ground it to two copper pipes outside to properly get rid of the reflections in the room.

I have no experience of the paint, but I think it might be more difficult to ground.

--- In [hidden email], "chelseapaul1010" <chelseapaul1010@...> wrote:

>
> Charles/Steven,
>
> Thanks for your advice, I'll try removing the ground connection first before getting rid of the paint. The room is on the first floor, with and I am in a terraced house. I have put alluminium insulating foil on the floor under the carpet to try and prevent wifi waves from travelling up from below (my neighbours on both sides have wifi), and yes I have painted the ceiling. I think the main problem is that I only did one coat and perhaps you need to do two or three to prevent wifi getting in through the cracks and bouncing around inside. When I am in in the room for a few minutes I start to feel really hot, I don't know whether this is because the room can't 'breath' as easily now...or whether I am getting cooked! Really wish I had not bothered with the paint now, and expensive experiment gone wrong.
>
> I'll try your advice re: the grounding though and see if that helps.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > That is something others experience also.
> >
> > The paint should be connected to a ground, so that electrical fields can go away.
> > But on the other hand, the groundcable may contain what I call *dirty air* frequencies.
> > I measure them between 5kHz and 30MHz.
> >
> > So, I would suggest, that you disconnect the grounding connection to the paint, and see what it does to you.
> > Also, see that the electrical wires in the wall are without electricity.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by NIS2012
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: chelseapaul1010
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:37 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?
> >
> >
> > Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to be a nightmare to get off...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > >
> > > great ideas Marc! would carbon based paint have metal in it too?
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/12/2012 10:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > marc@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> > > > shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...
> > >
> > > I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
> > > back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
> > > extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
> > > EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
> > > transferred to the power lines)
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

melissascotthasmail

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

"it makes the feeling of 'reflections' in the room unbearable even though my meters 'went quiet' in there."

I don't understand the reflections either. I am sitting in a room covered with foil and was advised to give the room a large unfoiled section for the reflections to escape. So I keep the door open which helps greatly.

The foiled room is better than the unfoiled room. But I can't sleep in it.

My meter shows nothing in the foiled room ever. Yet I can tell when an extra level of wireless has gone on in the neighborhood, and all I have to do is to step out of the room with my meter to verify that something has changed.

It has been suggested that my meter does not pick up the lowered levels. But I think the reflected microwaves take on some different form which the meter does not pick up. Does anyone have anything to support my theory?

I think the concept is correct about dirty "air". I just don't know how to measure it.

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

The foil will probably remove all of the ions from the air, whether the foil is grounded or not.

And that will affect you, adversely.

Try using a high-voltage-ionizer-treated air supply (pumped in from a safe distance), to restore the ions faster than they're being eliminated by the foil.

JD

--- At 01:11 PM 09 06 2012, melissascotthasmail wrote: > "it makes the feeling of 'reflections' in the room unbearable even though my meters 'went quiet' in there."

>I don't understand the reflections either. I am sitting in a room covered with foil and was advised to give the room a large unfoiled section for the reflections to escape. So I keep the door open which helps greatly.
>
>The foiled room is better than the unfoiled room. But I can't sleep in it.
>
>My meter shows nothing in the foiled room ever. Yet I can tell when an extra level of wireless has gone on in the neighborhood, and all I have to do is to step out of the room with my meter to verify that something has changed.
>
>It has been suggested that my meter does not pick up the lowered levels. But I think the reflected microwaves take on some different form which the meter does not pick up. Does anyone have anything to support my theory?
>
>I think the concept is correct about dirty "air". I just don't know how to measure it.
>
>
>

Loni Rosser

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

In reply to this post by CHELSEAPAUL

I put it in my room and seemed to be worse as well. It's the grounding of the metal in the paint that is the difficult thing to do. All the metal in the paint have to connect and they probably don't.

Loni

--- On Thu, 6/7/12, chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 1:03 AM

Charles/Steven,

Thanks for your advice, I'll try removing the ground connection first before getting rid of the paint. The room is on the first floor, with and I am in a terraced house. I have put alluminium insulating foil on the floor under the carpet to try and prevent wifi waves from travelling up from below (my neighbours on both sides have wifi), and yes I have painted the ceiling. I think the main problem is that I only did one coat and perhaps you need to do two or three to prevent wifi getting in through the cracks and bouncing around inside. When I am in in the room for a few minutes I start to feel really hot, I don't know whether this is because the room can't 'breath' as easily now...or whether I am getting cooked! Really wish I had not bothered with the paint now, and expensive experiment gone wrong.

I'll try your advice re: the grounding though and see if that helps.

Thanks

Paul

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

kikkie2004-2

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

Yes, I think so too.

Aluminum foil (if done in such a way that the different sections overlap - around corners and from wall to ceiling as well) form one large conductive unit which I think is much easier to ground.

I think if most of the grounding rod is under the ground and only a little bit sticks our for the earthing wire to be attached too, the wifi etc that it picks up might not be such a problem (I think it will rather go to ground as well than back up the wire).

My profi spion doesn't pick up dirty electricity in there either. So I'm not sure what the nature of the reflections is, but it definitely feels like reflections and not anything else.

What it does still get, is FM and AM radio signals - you have to do many layers to start blocking these out. Maybe it is them that bounce around.

Either way, since having the floor uncovered (ground floor room) - so that good earth radiation can get it, or bad radiation can escape - not sure which and having it grounded to two earthing rods outside, I don't feel the reflections any more. Might also be that I'm less sensitive than initially, because I've had to other ESers in there that can still feel the reflections (one had to get out after 3 seconds). For me however it's the only room where i feel well in, if I stay there for 24 hours I feel fantastic.

--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

>
> I put it in my room and seemed to be worse as well. It's the grounding of the metal in the paint that is the difficult thing to do. All the metal in the paint have to connect and they probably don't.
> Â
> Loni
>
> --- On Thu, 6/7/12, chelseapaul1010 <chelseapaul1010@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: chelseapaul1010 <chelseapaul1010@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 1:03 AM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Charles/Steven,
>
> Thanks for your advice, I'll try removing the ground connection first before getting rid of the paint. The room is on the first floor, with and I am in a terraced house. I have put alluminium insulating foil on the floor under the carpet to try and prevent wifi waves from travelling up from below (my neighbours on both sides have wifi), and yes I have painted the ceiling. I think the main problem is that I only did one coat and perhaps you need to do two or three to prevent wifi getting in through the cracks and bouncing around inside. When I am in in the room for a few minutes I start to feel really hot, I don't know whether this is because the room can't 'breath' as easily now...or whether I am getting cooked! Really wish I had not bothered with the paint now, and expensive experiment gone wrong.
>
> I'll try your advice re: the grounding though and see if that helps.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > That is something others experience also.
> >
> > The paint should be connected to a ground, so that electrical fields can go away.
> > But on the other hand, the groundcable may contain what I call *dirty air* frequencies.
> > I measure them between 5kHz and 30MHz.
> >
> > So, I would suggest, that you disconnect the grounding connection to the paint, and see what it does to you.
> > Also, see that the electrical wires in the wall are without electricity.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by NIS2012
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: chelseapaul1010
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:37 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?
> >
> >
> > Hi all, I painted my bedroom with the shielding paint a few months ago but my electrosensitivity is now unbearable when I am in the room! So much so that I am having to sleep in the spare room. I need to remove the paint and go back to how it was before (and sleep under the net), which was ok. Does anyone have any experience of removing paint that they could share with me? Any advice would be gratefully recieved, I have a horrible feeling that is is going to be a nightmare to get off...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Debbie4God39@ wrote:
> > >
> > > great ideas Marc! would carbon based paint have metal in it too?
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/12/2012 10:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > marc@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Awhile backk I read how some of us felt worse after living with
> > > > shielding paint, i think because some enf's were getting in the cracks...
> > >
> > > I would assume that shielded paint would reflect any indoor EMF
> > > back into the room (which would be bad). Also it seems like the
> > > extra metal in the paint might act as an antenna to bring more
> > > EMF into the room (if the shielding is incomplete, or it gets
> > > transferred to the power lines)
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

PUK

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

In reply to this post by debbie4god39

I suspect NASA know all about these issues, as a human its probably
antievolutionary to separate yourself off from natural rhythms/earth/cosmic
frequencies the body has no context.

PUK

In a message dated 09/06/2012 22:00:52 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

The foil will probably remove all of the ions from the air, whether the
foil is grounded or not.

And that will affect you, adversely.

Try using a high-voltage-ionizer-treated air supply (pumped in from a safe
distance), to restore the ions faster than they're being eliminated by the
foil.

JD

--- At 01:11 PM 09 06 2012, melissascotthasmail wrote: > "it makes the
feeling of 'reflections' in the room unbearable even though my meters 'went
quiet' in there."

>I don't understand the reflections either. I am sitting in a room covered
with foil and was advised to give the room a large unfoiled section for
the reflections to escape. So I keep the door open which helps greatly.
>
>The foiled room is better than the unfoiled room. But I can't sleep in it.
>
>My meter shows nothing in the foiled room ever. Yet I can tell when an
extra level of wireless has gone on in the neighborhood, and all I have to do
is to step out of the room with my meter to verify that something has
changed.
>
>It has been suggested that my meter does not pick up the lowered levels.
But I think the reflected microwaves take on some different form which the
meter does not pick up. Does anyone have anything to support my theory?
>
>I think the concept is correct about dirty "air". I just don't know how
to measure it.
>
>
>

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Loni Rosser

Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?

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I wish I could have a room to feel fantastic in. Maybe someday. Loni

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From: kikkie2004 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: SHIELDING PAINT PROBLEMS?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 4:41 AM

Yes, I think so too.

Aluminum foil (if done in such a way that the different sections overlap - around corners and from wall to ceiling as well) form one large conductive unit which I think is much easier to ground.

I think if most of the grounding rod is under the ground and only a little bit sticks our for the earthing wire to be attached too, the wifi etc that it picks up might not be such a problem (I think it will rather go to ground as well than back up the wire).

My profi spion doesn't pick up dirty electricity in there either. So I'm not sure what the nature of the reflections is, but it definitely feels like reflections and not anything else.

What it does still get, is FM and AM radio signals - you have to do many layers to start blocking these out. Maybe it is them that bounce around.

Either way, since having the floor uncovered (ground floor room) - so that good earth radiation can get it, or bad radiation can escape - not sure which and having it grounded to two earthing rods outside, I don't feel the reflections any more. Might also be that I'm less sensitive than initially, because I've had to other ESers in there that can still feel the reflections (one had to get out after 3 seconds). For me however it's the only room where i feel well in, if I stay there for 24 hours I feel fantastic.

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