SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES
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Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole
start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that not a single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a minority. I dispair - Paul uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I would agree with you about the SAD - I would say that I have SAD, mine came on when I began to develop ME [or early stage ES - its hard to know which is which] but it got markedly worse when I developed ES. Just at that point I was thinking of getting a light box and then I joined this forum and realised thata lightbox would just make the ES worse so that SAD has to be lived with. Come the spring I practically come out of hibernation. I havr 2 levels of activity - a) none over autumn and winter and b) a little during spring and summer. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny BW Steph --- On Mon, 7/9/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 7 September, 2009, 9:43 AM Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, soa double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the typeof light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that not a single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a minority. I dispair - Paul uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi again,
I've had problems with it, and it was getting worse every year, until about5yrs. ago, I read it is largely from a vit. D deficiency. I started taking7,000 IU daily, and it made a whopping difference. Don't take it for a couple days, and hibernation mode wants to set in again, it makes winter much better for me. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Paul > > I would agree with you about the SAD - I would say that I have SAD, mine came on when I began to develop ME [or early stage ES - its hard to know which is which] but it got markedly worse when I developed ES. Just at that point I was thinking of getting a light box and then I joined this forum andrealised thata lightbox would just make the ES worse so that SAD has to belived with. Come the spring I practically come out of hibernation. I havr 2 levels of activity - a) none over autumn and winter and b) a little during spring and summer. > > If it wasn't so sad it would be funny > > BW > > Steph > > --- On Mon, 7/9/09, paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> wrote: > > > From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@...> > Subject: [eSens] SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, 7 September, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that nota > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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> I've had problems with it, and it was getting worse every year, until
> about 5yrs. ago, I read it is largely from a vit. D deficiency. I started > taking 7,000 IU daily, and it made a whopping difference. Don't take it > for a couple days, and hibernation mode wants to set in again, it makes > winter much better for me. 7000 IU! You know, there is such a thing as Vitamin D toxicity, although I don't know how much one would have to take for that... Marc |
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I would have your doctor check your vit D levels. I take 3000 units a day
and I'm told I don't need more. Estelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks for the concern guys, but it's not as toxic as you may think.
We make 20,000IU just by adequate sun exposure, which most of us don't get.There's been global reports about vitamin D deficiency for a few years now. It's also available in higher doses, 2,000IU +, where until a couple years back it was still only sold in 400IU doses, so something majorly is up inthe environment. Can't be just sunscreen and northern latitudes me thinks.This is the D3, not D2. Here's a couple links; http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller25.html http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/forums/thread.html?docid=THR51565&catid=581 ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], e4health@... wrote: > > I would have your doctor check your vit D levels. I take 3000 units a day > and I'm told I don't need more. > > Estelle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Here's a good one, I don't have my file on D handy, or I'd send some betterones:
http://running.competitor.com/2009/11/features/vitamin-d-and-endurance-exercise_6776 ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], e4health@... wrote: > > I would have your doctor check your vit D levels. I take 3000 units a day > and I'm told I don't need more. > > Estelle > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distanceI need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even withall that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive.
Alexa --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer,so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that not a > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then returnhome > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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The recommended daily allowance is 400 IU per day. Overdose has been observed at 1925 µg/d (77,000 IU
per day). Acute overdose requires between 15,000 µg/d (600,000 IU per day) and 42,000 µg/d (1,680,000 IU per day) over a period of several days to months, with a safe intake level being 250 µg/d (10,000 IU per day).[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D ________________________________ From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 5:14:03 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES > I've had problems with it, and it was getting worse every year, until > about 5yrs. ago, I read it is largely from a vit. D deficiency. I started > taking 7,000 IU daily, and it made a whopping difference. Don't take it > for a couple days, and hibernation mode wants to set in again, it makes > winter much better for me. 7000 IU! You know, there is such a thing as Vitamin D toxicity, although I don't know how much one would have to take for that... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 07/12/2009 07:48:17 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. Alexa PUK replies - the guass meter will not reveal the whole picture, many of these light boxes are giving out a whole cacophany of RF due to the flourescent light circuitry. You can get LED light boxes somewhere. Try an AM radio in the same room as you and the light box ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I am thinking about getting a pair of LUMINETTE light therapy glasses; LED and driven by a battery
http://www.solvital-lighttherapy.co.uk/index.asp?ID=907: Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRsWQ5DqQuU Video interview with inventor talking about the research http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=2424763144499867233&hl=fr#. ________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 13:00:47 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES In a message dated 07/12/2009 07:48:17 GMT Standard Time, roxalis@rocketmail. com writes: I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. Alexa PUK replies - the guass meter will not reveal the whole picture, many of these light boxes are giving out a whole cacophany of RF due to the flourescent light circuitry. You can get LED light boxes somewhere. Try an AM radio in the same room as you and the light box ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Mercola and Klinghardt and are advocates of 10,000 a day or more.
20,000 + a day for short periods to address a health challenge. "Some may need 10,000 units of vitamin D a day and even up to 50,000 units a day for short periods, while others may do fine on none if they have adequate sun exposure." http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/12/16/my-one-hour-vitamin-d-lecture-to-clear-up-all-your-confusion-on-this-vital-nutrient.aspx Andrew On Dec 6, 2009, at 11:14 PM, Marc Martin wrote: >> I've had problems with it, and it was getting worse every year, until >> about 5yrs. ago, I read it is largely from a vit. D deficiency. I >> started >> taking 7,000 IU daily, and it made a whopping difference. Don't >> take it >> for a couple days, and hibernation mode wants to set in again, it >> makes >> winter much better for me. > > 7000 IU! You know, there is such a thing as Vitamin D toxicity, > although > I don't know how much one would have to take for that... > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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Yup Snoshoe
I'd agree entirely with that. I started taking just a low level of vit D inJanuary 1000iu because I hadn't had a test done and didn't want to risk getting near toxicity with it. I had to go off it in the middle of October toget tested to ensure that I would get a true reading and had the test donelast week. As the weeks without it wore on I got what I can only describe as episodes of terrible depression. So in my case the connection is definitely there and T'd far prefer to take Vit D than use a light box because it is beneficial to the immune system generally, is supposed to prevent the development of vertain cancers and also benefits the cardiovascular system. It will be intersting for me to see what my ordinary blood level without thesupps was. did you ever get tested? How did you arrive at the 7000iu dosage? BW Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 3:23 Hi again, I've had problems with it, and it was getting worse every year, until about5yrs. ago, I read it is largely from a vit. D deficiency. I started taking7,000 IU daily, and it made a whopping difference. Don't take it for a couple days, and hibernation mode wants to set in again, it makes winter much better for me. ~ Snoshoe --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Stephanie Smith <reader41@.. .> wrote: > > Paul > > I would agree with you about the SAD - I would say that I have SAD, mine came on when I began to develop ME [or early stage ES - its hard to know which is which] but it got markedly worse when I developed ES. Just at that point I was thinking of getting a light box and then I joined this forum andrealised thata lightbox would just make the ES worse so that SAD has to belived with. Come the spring I practically come out of hibernation. I havr 2 levels of activity - a) none over autumn and winter and b) a little during spring and summer. > > If it wasn't so sad it would be funny > > BW > > Steph > > --- On Mon, 7/9/09, paulpjc@... <paulpjc@... > wrote: > > > From: paulpjc@... <paulpjc@... > > Subject: [eSens] SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, 7 September, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that nota > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Alexa
I know what you mean - I hate it when it gets dark at 4pm and i long for the summer evenings. I did quite a bit of research into light therapy a whileback and read that the lightbox has to be in use well before the dark evenings start - and that if you don't actually start to use it until the middle of winter then the rebound SAD which you can get from starting it nowish can be much worse - I can't remember what the reason for that was but that stuck with me. I try to get as much sunshine in the summer as possible and try to get a top up if possible by going somewhere sunny for a week in February but even then its not enough and the vit d3 has been the best thing for me so far. I get mine from Prohealth. BW Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 7:47 I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@... wrote: > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that nota > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Rebound SAD from using light therapy - that means you would get it worse from sunlight as well - this is just nonsense.
________________________________ From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 17:27:58 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES Hi Alexa I know what you mean - I hate it when it gets dark at 4pm and i long for the summer evenings. I did quite a bit of research into light therapy a whileback and read that the lightbox has to be in use well before the dark evenings start - and that if you don't actually start to use it until the middle of winter then the rebound SAD which you can get from starting it nowish can be much worse - I can't remember what the reason for that was but that stuck with me. I try to get as much sunshine in the summer as possible and try to get a top up if possible by going somewhere sunny for a week in February but even then its not enough and the vit d3 has been the best thing for me so far. I get mine from Prohealth. BW Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, roxalis@rocketmail. com <roxalis@rocketmail. com> wrote: From: roxalis@rocketmail. com <roxalis@rocketmail. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 7:47 I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@... wrote: > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that nota > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Ole, those glasses do look interesting - I bet they work! My only experience with an LED device for SAD treatment was with one of the blue LED mini-boxes and I suspect it damaged my vision as some negative info has come out about using blue light alone. Those glasses look they use white light though so should be okay.
Paul, I haven't done the AM radio thing, but I always feel better after using my light box and without it I would be a complete zombie. If I skip even one day the negative effects are very obvious, so for now I take my chances with whatever frequencies it gives off. Stephanie, I've never heard of rebound SAD either but I start my lightbox up usually early October. If low vitamin D is what's driving your winter symptoms though then it sounds like you have a plan that works for you. Itcould be SAD is driven by different things for different people - like mainly lack of Vitamin D or maybe missing a particular wavelength in sunlight. Alexa --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Alexa > Â > I know what you mean - I hate it when it gets dark at 4pm and i long for the summer evenings. I did quite a bit of research into light therapy a while back and read that the lightbox has to be in use well before the dark evenings start - and that if you don't actually start to use it until the middle of winter then the rebound SAD which you can get from starting it nowish can be much worse - I can't remember what the reason for that was but that stuck with me. I try to get as much sunshine in the summer as possible and try to get a top up if possible by going somewhere sunny for a week in February but even then its not enough and the vit d3 has been the best thing for me so far. I get mine from Prohealth. > Â > BW > Â > Steph > Â > > > --- On Mon, 7/12/09, roxalis@... <roxalis@...> wrote: > > > From: roxalis@... <roxalis@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 7:47 > > > Â > > > > I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with allthat I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. > > Alexa > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@ wrote: > > > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I seethe > > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nightsare > > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that not a > > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are ina > > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Alex, I will definitely update here when I have tried them. If you watch the interview with the inventor, she speaks about the emission of both blue, green and orange photons. The transliteration of the interview is here:
http://www.solvital-lighttherapy.co.uk/index.asp?ID=1134 --- In [hidden email], "roxalis@..." <roxalis@...> wrote: > > Ole, those glasses do look interesting - I bet they work! My only experience with an LED device for SAD treatment was with one of the blue LED mini-boxes and I suspect it damaged my vision as some negative info has come out about using blue light alone. Those glasses look they use white light though so should be okay. > > Paul, I haven't done the AM radio thing, but I always feel better after using my light box and without it I would be a complete zombie. If I skip even one day the negative effects are very obvious, so for now I take my chances with whatever frequencies it gives off. > > Stephanie, I've never heard of rebound SAD either but I start my lightboxup usually early October. If low vitamin D is what's driving your wintersymptoms though then it sounds like you have a plan that works for you. It could be SAD is driven by different things for different people - like mainly lack of Vitamin D or maybe missing a particular wavelength in sunlight. > > Alexa > > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi Alexa > > Â > > I know what you mean - I hate it when it gets dark at 4pm and i long for the summer evenings. I did quite a bit of research into light therapy a while back and read that the lightbox has to be in use well before the dark evenings start - and that if you don't actually start to use it until the middle of winter then the rebound SAD which you can get from starting it nowish can be much worse - I can't remember what the reason for that was but that stuck with me. I try to get as much sunshine in the summer as possible and try to get a top up if possible by going somewhere sunny for a week in February but even then its not enough and the vit d3 has been the best thing for me so far. I get mine from Prohealth. > > Â > > BW > > Â > > Steph > > Â > > > > > > --- On Mon, 7/12/09, roxalis@ <roxalis@> wrote: > > > > > > From: roxalis@ <roxalis@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 7:47 > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter andit is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. Ialso take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. > > > > Alexa > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@ wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > > > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > > > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I haveto > > > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > > > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and soon. > > > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > > > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > > > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > > > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > > > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > > > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > > > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > > > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > > > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > > > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, thatnot a > > > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > > > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > > > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > > > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > > > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > > > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > > > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > > > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES
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Hi Ole
Maybe you took me up wrong or I didn;t convey it the way I wanted to but what I meant was i read a report that introducing the intense light fromthe lightbox in the depth of winter would not be a good idea - as in the case of someone thinking by Mid December "oh I have SAD - would buying a lighbox help?" amd the report advised that it would be better to buy the lightbox and start to use it towards the end of the summer onwards, and that to buy it in the depth of winter and start to use it straight away could make the SAD symptoms worse. Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 18:13 Rebound SAD from using light therapy - that means you would get it worse from sunlight as well - this is just nonsense. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 17:27:58 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES Hi Alexa I know what you mean - I hate it when it gets dark at 4pm and i long for the summer evenings. I did quite a bit of research into light therapy a whileback and read that the lightbox has to be in use well before the dark evenings start - and that if you don't actually start to use it until the middle of winter then the rebound SAD which you can get from starting it nowish can be much worse - I can't remember what the reason for that was but that stuck with me. I try to get as much sunshine in the summer as possible and try to get a top up if possible by going somewhere sunny for a week in February but even then its not enough and the vit d3 has been the best thing for me so far. I get mine from Prohealth. BW Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, roxalis@rocketmail. com <roxalis@rocketmail . com> wrote: From: roxalis@rocketmail. com <roxalis@rocketmail . com> Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 7:47 I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@... wrote: > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that nota > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I already stated my point, it doesnt make any sense that exposure to missing light will create some 'rebound' SAD, that is ridiculous. Maybe you got it wrong - if you stop using a lightbox in the middle of winter, THAT would create a rebound SAD!
________________________________ From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tue, 8 December, 2009 22:35:24 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES Hi Ole Maybe you took me up wrong or I didn;t convey it the way I wanted to but what I meant was i read a report that introducing the intense light from the lightbox in the depth of winter would not be a good idea - as in the case of someone thinking by Mid December "oh I have SAD - would buying a lighbox help?" amd the report advised that it would be better to buy the lightbox and start to use it towards the end of the summer onwards, and that to buy it in the depth of winter and start to use it straight away could make the SAD symptoms worse. Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 18:13 Rebound SAD from using light therapy - that means you would get it worse from sunlight as well - this is just nonsense. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, 7 December, 2009 17:27:58 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES Hi Alexa I know what you mean - I hate it when it gets dark at 4pm and i long for the summer evenings. I did quite a bit of research into light therapy a whileback and read that the lightbox has to be in use well before the dark evenings start - and that if you don't actually start to use it until the middle of winter then the rebound SAD which you can get from starting it nowish can be much worse - I can't remember what the reason for that was but that stuck with me. I try to get as much sunshine in the summer as possible and try to get a top up if possible by going somewhere sunny for a week in February but even then its not enough and the vit d3 has been the best thing for me so far. I get mine from Prohealth. BW Steph --- On Mon, 7/12/09, roxalis@rocketmail. com <roxalis@rocketmail . com> wrote: From: roxalis@rocketmail. com <roxalis@rocketmail . com> Subject: [eSens] Re: SEASONAL EFFECTIVE DISORDER - SAD & ES To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 7:47 I have SAD and I use a light box. I measured it with my gauss meter and it is surprisingly low on emissions (in the 50-60Hz range). At the distance I need to sit from it (18") the amount is just room ambient reading. Maybe it's shielded. It has full spectrum bulbs and is Northern Lights brand. I also take Vitamin D - 2000IU a day and it definitely helps but even with all that I find the dark days somewhat oppressive. Alexa --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, paulpjc@... wrote: > > Does anyone think that they may also have SAD, it seems that alot of pepole > start to develop this at this time of year. As an ES I dread the winter, > not just becuase it gets darker earlier per-se but as a result I have to > rely on artificial light more and naturally need to stay indoors longer, so a > double whammy for ESSERS it means more exposure to electricity and so on. > For experimentl purposes I managed to get hold of a large lightbox > containing 2 large high powered compact flourescent bulbs, this is the type of > light that those who are SAD use to boost thier meletonin levels in winter by > simulating daylight, anyway to cut a long story short as an ESSER I see the > use of one of these lightboxes at close quarters in insane, the trifeild > meter went of the scale an emf and EF scales upto 1m away. Needless to say > it make a good light for the garden on the odd ocassion. Now the nights are > drawing in its time to light the fire in the log cabin every night for an > hour or so, this for me is a lifeline as its the most practical way to get > away from the house to avoid the devils Plasma tv over the road, that nota > single person on the planet can help me with, so every 24hrs I go through > the same tortuous cycle on this one - come 2.30pm get irradiated leave > house come home when its off for 1 hour at 5pm, leave at 6pm then return home > to 9pm when the Plasma tv is turned off. > My human rights are rocking back and forth with the flick of a switch. > The issue has now been criminalised as the couple with the plasma reported > me to the police, so free speech is technically illegal when you are in a > minority. I dispair - Paul uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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