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We should consider what we are talking about.

Now and then I can't help smiling when reading what has been written here.

First of all, there is no discussion about what electrosensitives may experience.
Nobody can feel elektrosmog, because we do not have an organ for that.
But parts of our body do react to elektrosmog. That is for shure, and undeniable.

However, many do not realize what the limitations of their meters are, and furthermore they do not realize what the exact origin of their elektrosmog source is.
The elektrosmog family is a very large one, with many tentacles.

And one should consider the time factor for reactions. Many people do react to a DECT phone within minutes, but the reaction to a GSM mast may be delayued for many hours.
I do know people who react today on what they were exposed yesterday.
I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone (1.8 GHz), but heavily to a signal of 5.8 GHz.

Now first and for all, clean 50-60 Hz does not pose a threat.
The danger lies in the transients. Those are the frequencies you do not pay for, but which are delivered to you unvoluntarily.
There should be a law that the companies are obliged to deleiver clean 50-60 Hz.

I devide *dirty electricity* into two parts.

1. The *dirty power*, which is in the mains electricity net. The transients can be measured with a spectrumanalyser (I use a Spectran NF 5035 with a differential probe and 40 dB EMV preamp, thus measuring frequencies from 0 Hz up to 30 MHz.), the wellknown Stetzerizer meter and the Entech meter which goes up to 800 kHz.
The *dirty power* can be reduced with filters, like those of Stetzer (5-150 kHz) or those by Bajog (5 kHz-30 MHz.)
Be aware that the ground cables can bring *dirty power* into your homes. They are normally coupled to electricity, water and gas.

2. What I call *dirty air*. That are the floating frequencies in the air.
They may com from electrical appliances like halogen lamps (12/24 Volt), CRT Televisons, LCD and Plasma televisions and monitors, etc.
And now the smart meters.
Here no filters can help, because it is not in the mains.
I have *dirty air* measured coming out of the beams from mobile phone masts, especially UMTS or 3G.
(When these beams come to a wall, the frequencies can enter the wall, and also get into the mains electricity net, and resides there as *dirty power*.

*Dirty air* can be measued. I do have special detectors with different antennas for that. When I have found spots, I measure them with my aforementioned Spectran NF 5035 mit special antennas and the 30 dB preamp).
But it can be detected with a HAM radio.

3. So the dirty power is measured as in 1.
And the dirty air is measured as in 2.

4. Now, if somebody reacts to 50-60 Hz, it is not this frequency, but the magnetic fields.
Overhere I measure from a Stetzer filter 3250 nT but from a Bajog filter only 140 nT, measured diredtly on top of them.
The strenght of these magnetic fields diminish with the distance heavily.
But, the influence of them on electrosensitives can be over a great distance.

So, if your Gauss meter tells you that the magnetic fields are low, that is no assurance, that an electrosensitive person may not be harrassed by them.

5. It is my opinion, that we have electrical fields, magnetical fields and frequencies.
Although it may sound technically improper, I have experienced, that each of them may appear without the other.
It has to do with the controversial longitudinal waves, which travel over a greater distance than transversal waves.

And it is the content of the information in these longitudinal waves, that is biological effective or not.
That is the reason why electrosensitives may react to very tiner, hardly measurable quantities of elektrosmog.

Please have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
and scroll down to 18-07-2010 Powerplug.

The first spectrogram shows the influence of a dLan or powerplug.
The second spectogram shows when it was dismounted.
The rest of the peaks are the normal *dirty power* which one may find in large cities, like here in Gent, Belgium.

6. There are two types of Gauss or Tesla meters.
The simple ones do have only one measuring axis inside, so you have to measure X-, Y- and Z- axis, and calculate the value accordingly.
It is easier to use a 3D Tesla or Gauss meter. That is *pointing and reading*.
For quick working I use a Professional 3-axis digital Tesla meter (16-2000 Hz).
For exact working I use a Spectran NF 5020 (0-20000 MHz), which  has a 3D axis for magnetical AC as well as magnetical DC  fields.

7. It is my experience during the last twelve years, that most people do not know what the really damaging elektrosmog source is.
Very often they point to a mobile phone mast, they can see, but also very often I measure heavier masts, they cannot see.
And boy-oh-boy what do I encounter in most kitchens. That is horrible.
And other sources they have in their homes.
Also there is a synergy from different sources coming together.

8. Samuel Milham has wrtitten his book *Dirty electricity*. Recommendable.
His findings were, that cancer was exploding in 2-3 years time (Breast cancer, leukemia etc.) by dirty electricity !!
(Not the 10-20 years they tell us.)

9. For more understanding of electrosensitivity see:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html

10. If we talk about lamps.
There are lamps that do have electrical as well as magnetical fields.
There are lamps, that are clean, but cause *dirty power* into the mains, but hardly *dirty air*.
There are lamps, that are clean, and do not cause *dirty power*, but a certain amount of *dirty air*.
And there are lamps, that are completely clean, but expensive (momentarily).


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jaime_schunkewitz
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:15 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal


  Shivani wrote: "Many people initially use
  a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic
  fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not
  what causes EHS symptoms."

  You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to
  60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.
  I get chest pains and a headache.

  Also, there are gauss meters that
  measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

  And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors
  only address differential noise - what
  about common-mode noise? They really
  shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature
  for multi-stage in-line units which have
  large inductors and are grounded.

  With that said, I use a few home-made bypass
  capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean
  differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.
  The capacitor generates a magnetic field and
  there is also causes some AM interference.
  I keep them as far away as possible.

  Eli



  --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote:
  >
  > I also heard cases where people got worse from GS filters.  Thus, we need to be careful before advertising GS filter until we have more information.  A few limited studies is not enough evidence here.  (If anything, we have a few limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who is helping ES, says he took it apart, and doesn't believe it can help.)
  >
  > My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the source's "dirty electricity" itself.  E.g., Stetzer filter does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb itself, which is still measurable by AM radio.  It can't justify keeping the CFL bulb.
  >
  > Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the harmonics go into the MHz range.  I also read that it can make the dirty electricity dirtier:  http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html
  >
  >
  > --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@ wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > >  Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house.  Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.
  > >
  > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the field of force associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."
  > >
  > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz.  This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.
  > >
  > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches.  And the harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.
  > >
  > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.
  > >
  > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into.  They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.  They do a specific job and they do it very well.
  > >
  > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.  
  > >
  > > Shivani Arjuna
  > > www.LifeEnergies.com
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >  
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 Of course Stetzer filters cannot stop CFL bulbs from creating harmful frequencies.  That is what CFL bulbs must do in order to function.  The bulbs will still broadcast the frequencies,airborne, from where they are.  The Stetzer filters cannot affect airborne signal.  They do, however, keep those frequencies from being passed around the house via the wiring on the circuit they are plugged into.

For an EHS person to have CFL bulbs in his/her home is not sensible.

I don't know any EHS people who are sensitive to 60 Hz.   I suggest that what you are presuming is 60 Hz actually has other frequencies with it.

The studies that were done that supposedly showed harm from 60 Hz did not take dirty electricity into consideration.   I communicated with one of the authors of such a study to ask if they had thought of that.  Nope. They just used electricity as it came from the electric company.

Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com

 




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I agree with you Andrew! Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 9:04 AM


 



Eli,
Please chill with the direct attack.
> You wrong Shivani.

I'd like to think we are working together to help each other.

Shivani is posting what she believes is correct. I too get ES
symptoms around electricity and I don't know how much of it is from
the dirty electricity or something else that I have no idea about.

Please let's not attack each other. That is what "they" want us to do
so we weaken our power.
I am not the moderator and please forgive me if this post is not
warranted from my role. Just can't let this go on a list that I care
so much about and that has helped me so much.

Many thanks to Marc.

Thank you,
Andrew

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All I can tell you is that I felt more stinging/burning coming off of my tv when using the stetzer filters.  More fatigue. The filters did take the Dirty Electricity down as per the meter sent with the filters but I just didn't get symptom relief. Just my experience & my Building Biologist has heard similar stories regarding them. Loni

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 1:14 PM


 




Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house. Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the field of force associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."

Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches. And the harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.

EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into. They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc. They do a specific job and they do it very well.

To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

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Thanks Charles for the clarification.

My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause
severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance
power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a
refrigerator - both are devastating because of the
elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.

I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity
is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,
or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It
seems to be problematic even when there is no current.

As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several
meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A
is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch
to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.

Eli


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

Dear Shivani and group,

I became EHS from 50-60Hz.  I had high magnetic fields everywhere in my
home. Even though I had great relief with the Stetzer filters, I had over
time become more and more senstive to higher frequencies too. It was not
sustainable to continue living under that magnetic field as I would correct
one symptom, another would appear.
Now that I am out, I have been saturating myself with cell food and having
great results.

Cheers,
Helen

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> Now that I am out, I have been saturating myself with cell food and
> having great results.

"Cell food" as in the product, CELLFOOD from Lumina Health?  Or
are you using the term "cell food" in a more generic sense?  :-)

Marc

Hi Marc,

I think it is the same Cellfood. I purchase it in Australia labelled
 CELLFOOD AUSTRALIA, but the rear of label says Sole Australian Importer of
Genuine Cellfood.

Helen
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THose meters are only 1 D.
They now have 3D, but they are very expensive.

Measuring with 1D is rather complicated.
You must measure the X-, Y, Z-axis, raise them to the higher power, sum them, and from the sum the root must be extracted.
So you need a calculator with them.

Therefore I prefer a 3D Gauss or Teslameter.
It is just *point and read*.

For amateurs, 20-2000 Hz will do.
Here a Spectran NF will do. There are several types.
They are not expensive, and contain 3D for magnetical fields.
And, very important, you can see which frequencies are present, which all other meters do not show.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jaime_schunkewitz
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:23 AM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal





  Thanks Charles for the clarification.

  My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause
  severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance
  power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a
  refrigerator - both are devastating because of the
  elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.

  I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity
  is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,
  or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It
  seems to be problematic even when there is no current.

  As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several
  meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A
  is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch
  to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.

  Eli


  --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > We should consider what we are talking about.
  >
  > Now and then I can't help smiling when reading what has been written here.
  >
  > First of all, there is no discussion about what electrosensitives may experience.
  > Nobody can feel elektrosmog, because we do not have an organ for that.
  > But parts of our body do react to elektrosmog. That is for shure, and undeniable.
  >
  > However, many do not realize what the limitations of their meters are, and furthermore they do not realize what the exact origin of their elektrosmog source is.
  > The elektrosmog family is a very large one, with many tentacles.
  >
  > And one should consider the time factor for reactions. Many people do react to a DECT phone within minutes, but the reaction to a GSM mast may be delayued for many hours.
  > I do know people who react today on what they were exposed yesterday.
  > I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone (1.8 GHz), but heavily to a signal of 5.8 GHz.
  >
  > Now first and for all, clean 50-60 Hz does not pose a threat.
  > The danger lies in the transients. Those are the frequencies you do not pay for, but which are delivered to you unvoluntarily.
  > There should be a law that the companies are obliged to deleiver clean 50-60 Hz.
  >
  > I devide *dirty electricity* into two parts.
  >
  > 1. The *dirty power*, which is in the mains electricity net. The transients can be measured with a spectrumanalyser (I use a Spectran NF 5035 with a differential probe and 40 dB EMV preamp, thus measuring frequencies from 0 Hz up to 30 MHz.), the wellknown Stetzerizer meter and the Entech meter which goes up to 800 kHz.
  > The *dirty power* can be reduced with filters, like those of Stetzer (5-150 kHz) or those by Bajog (5 kHz-30 MHz.)
  > Be aware that the ground cables can bring *dirty power* into your homes. They are normally coupled to electricity, water and gas.
  >
  > 2. What I call *dirty air*. That are the floating frequencies in the air.
  > They may com from electrical appliances like halogen lamps (12/24 Volt), CRT Televisons, LCD and Plasma televisions and monitors, etc.
  > And now the smart meters.
  > Here no filters can help, because it is not in the mains.
  > I have *dirty air* measured coming out of the beams from mobile phone masts, especially UMTS or 3G.
  > (When these beams come to a wall, the frequencies can enter the wall, and also get into the mains electricity net, and resides there as *dirty power*.
  >
  > *Dirty air* can be measued. I do have special detectors with different antennas for that. When I have found spots, I measure them with my aforementioned Spectran NF 5035 mit special antennas and the 30 dB preamp).
  > But it can be detected with a HAM radio.
  >
  > 3. So the dirty power is measured as in 1.
  > And the dirty air is measured as in 2.
  >
  > 4. Now, if somebody reacts to 50-60 Hz, it is not this frequency, but the magnetic fields.
  > Overhere I measure from a Stetzer filter 3250 nT but from a Bajog filter only 140 nT, measured diredtly on top of them.
  > The strenght of these magnetic fields diminish with the distance heavily.
  > But, the influence of them on electrosensitives can be over a great distance.
  >
  > So, if your Gauss meter tells you that the magnetic fields are low, that is no assurance, that an electrosensitive person may not be harrassed by them.
  >
  > 5. It is my opinion, that we have electrical fields, magnetical fields and frequencies.
  > Although it may sound technically improper, I have experienced, that each of them may appear without the other.
  > It has to do with the controversial longitudinal waves, which travel over a greater distance than transversal waves.
  >
  > And it is the content of the information in these longitudinal waves, that is biological effective or not.
  > That is the reason why electrosensitives may react to very tiner, hardly measurable quantities of elektrosmog.
  >
  > Please have a look at http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
  > and scroll down to 18-07-2010 Powerplug.
  >
  > The first spectrogram shows the influence of a dLan or powerplug.
  > The second spectogram shows when it was dismounted.
  > The rest of the peaks are the normal *dirty power* which one may find in large cities, like here in Gent, Belgium.
  >
  > 6. There are two types of Gauss or Tesla meters.
  > The simple ones do have only one measuring axis inside, so you have to measure X-, Y- and Z- axis, and calculate the value accordingly.
  > It is easier to use a 3D Tesla or Gauss meter. That is *pointing and reading*.
  > For quick working I use a Professional 3-axis digital Tesla meter (16-2000 Hz).
  > For exact working I use a Spectran NF 5020 (0-20000 MHz), which  has a 3D axis for magnetical AC as well as magnetical DC  fields.
  >
  > 7. It is my experience during the last twelve years, that most people do not know what the really damaging elektrosmog source is.
  > Very often they point to a mobile phone mast, they can see, but also very often I measure heavier masts, they cannot see.
  > And boy-oh-boy what do I encounter in most kitchens. That is horrible.
  > And other sources they have in their homes.
  > Also there is a synergy from different sources coming together.
  >
  > 8. Samuel Milham has wrtitten his book *Dirty electricity*. Recommendable.
  > His findings were, that cancer was exploding in 2-3 years time (Breast cancer, leukemia etc.) by dirty electricity !!
  > (Not the 10-20 years they tell us.)
  >
  > 9. For more understanding of electrosensitivity see:
  > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html
  >
  > 10. If we talk about lamps.
  > There are lamps that do have electrical as well as magnetical fields.
  > There are lamps, that are clean, but cause *dirty power* into the mains, but hardly *dirty air*.
  > There are lamps, that are clean, and do not cause *dirty power*, but a certain amount of *dirty air*.
  > And there are lamps, that are completely clean, but expensive (momentarily).
  >
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: jaime_schunkewitz
  >   To: [hidden email]
  >   Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:15 PM
  >   Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
  >
  >
  >   Shivani wrote: "Many people initially use
  >   a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic
  >   fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not
  >   what causes EHS symptoms."
  >
  >   You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to
  >   60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.
  >   I get chest pains and a headache.
  >
  >   Also, there are gauss meters that
  >   measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.
  >
  >   And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors
  >   only address differential noise - what
  >   about common-mode noise? They really
  >   shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature
  >   for multi-stage in-line units which have
  >   large inductors and are grounded.
  >
  >   With that said, I use a few home-made bypass
  >   capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean
  >   differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.
  >   The capacitor generates a magnetic field and
  >   there is also causes some AM interference.
  >   I keep them as far away as possible.
  >
  >   Eli
  >
  >
  >
  >   --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote:
  >   >
  >   > I also heard cases where people got worse from GS filters.  Thus, we need to be careful before advertising GS filter until we have more information.  A few limited studies is not enough evidence here.  (If anything, we have a few limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who is helping ES, says he took it apart, and doesn't believe it can help.)
  >   >
  >   > My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the source's "dirty electricity" itself.  E.g., Stetzer filter does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb itself, which is still measurable by AM radio.  It can't justify keeping the CFL bulb.
  >   >
  >   > Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the harmonics go into the MHz range.  I also read that it can make the dirty electricity dirtier:  http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > --- In [hidden email], SArjuna@ wrote:
  >   > >
  >   > >
  >   > >  Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house.  Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.
  >   > >
  >   > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the field of force associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."
  >   > >
  >   > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz.  This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.
  >   > >
  >   > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches.  And the harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.
  >   > >
  >   > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.
  >   > >
  >   > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into.  They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.  They do a specific job and they do it very well.
  >   > >
  >   > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.  
  >   > >
  >   > > Shivani Arjuna
  >   > > www.LifeEnergies.com
  >   > >
  >   > >
  >   > >
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Charles, instead of measuring X-, Y- and Z-axis separately,
You can rotate the meter in three dimensions and search for
the highest reading. Easy and cheap.

/anders



charles skrev 2011-01-25 11:51:

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Hello Anders,

sure you can do that.

But that way you do not measure correctly and do not find the exact value.

It is explained in every manual of selfrespecting manufacturors.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Anders Eriksson
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal


  Charles, instead of measuring X-, Y- and Z-axis separately,
  You can rotate the meter in three dimensions and search for
  the highest reading. Easy and cheap.

  /anders



  charles skrev 2011-01-25 11:51:
  >
  > THose meters are only 1 D.
  > They now have 3D, but they are very expensive.
  >
  > Measuring with 1D is rather complicated.
  > You must measure the X-, Y, Z-axis, raise them to the
  > higher power, sum them, and from the sum the root must be
  > extracted.
  > So you need a calculator with them.
  >
  > Therefore I prefer a 3D Gauss or Teslameter.
  > It is just *point and read*.
  >
  > For amateurs, 20-2000 Hz will do.
  > Here a Spectran NF will do. There are several types.
  > They are not expensive, and contain 3D for magnetical fields.
  > And, very important, you can see which frequencies are
  > present, which all other meters do not show.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: jaime_schunkewitz
  > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:23 AM
  > Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
  >
  > Thanks Charles for the clarification.
  >
  > My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause
  > severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance
  > power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a
  > refrigerator - both are devastating because of the
  > elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.
  >
  > I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity
  > is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,
  > or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It
  > seems to be problematic even when there is no current.
  >
  > As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several
  > meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A
  > is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch
  > to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.
  >
  > Eli
  >
  > --- In [hidden email]
  > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@...>
  > wrote:
  > >
  > > We should consider what we are talking about.
  > >
  > > Now and then I can't help smiling when reading what has
  > been written here.
  > >
  > > First of all, there is no discussion about what
  > electrosensitives may experience.
  > > Nobody can feel elektrosmog, because we do not have an
  > organ for that.
  > > But parts of our body do react to elektrosmog. That is
  > for shure, and undeniable.
  > >
  > > However, many do not realize what the limitations of
  > their meters are, and furthermore they do not realize what
  > the exact origin of their elektrosmog source is.
  > > The elektrosmog family is a very large one, with many
  > tentacles.
  > >
  > > And one should consider the time factor for reactions.
  > Many people do react to a DECT phone within minutes, but
  > the reaction to a GSM mast may be delayued for many hours.
  > > I do know people who react today on what they were
  > exposed yesterday.
  > > I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone (1.8
  > GHz), but heavily to a signal of 5.8 GHz.
  > >
  > > Now first and for all, clean 50-60 Hz does not pose a
  > threat.
  > > The danger lies in the transients. Those are the
  > frequencies you do not pay for, but which are delivered to
  > you unvoluntarily.
  > > There should be a law that the companies are obliged to
  > deleiver clean 50-60 Hz.
  > >
  > > I devide *dirty electricity* into two parts.
  > >
  > > 1. The *dirty power*, which is in the mains electricity
  > net. The transients can be measured with a
  > spectrumanalyser (I use a Spectran NF 5035 with a
  > differential probe and 40 dB EMV preamp, thus measuring
  > frequencies from 0 Hz up to 30 MHz.), the wellknown
  > Stetzerizer meter and the Entech meter which goes up to
  > 800 kHz.
  > > The *dirty power* can be reduced with filters, like
  > those of Stetzer (5-150 kHz) or those by Bajog (5 kHz-30 MHz.)
  > > Be aware that the ground cables can bring *dirty power*
  > into your homes. They are normally coupled to electricity,
  > water and gas.
  > >
  > > 2. What I call *dirty air*. That are the floating
  > frequencies in the air.
  > > They may com from electrical appliances like halogen
  > lamps (12/24 Volt), CRT Televisons, LCD and Plasma
  > televisions and monitors, etc.
  > > And now the smart meters.
  > > Here no filters can help, because it is not in the mains.
  > > I have *dirty air* measured coming out of the beams from
  > mobile phone masts, especially UMTS or 3G.
  > > (When these beams come to a wall, the frequencies can
  > enter the wall, and also get into the mains electricity
  > net, and resides there as *dirty power*.
  > >
  > > *Dirty air* can be measued. I do have special detectors
  > with different antennas for that. When I have found spots,
  > I measure them with my aforementioned Spectran NF 5035 mit
  > special antennas and the 30 dB preamp).
  > > But it can be detected with a HAM radio.
  > >
  > > 3. So the dirty power is measured as in 1.
  > > And the dirty air is measured as in 2.
  > >
  > > 4. Now, if somebody reacts to 50-60 Hz, it is not this
  > frequency, but the magnetic fields.
  > > Overhere I measure from a Stetzer filter 3250 nT but
  > from a Bajog filter only 140 nT, measured diredtly on top
  > of them.
  > > The strenght of these magnetic fields diminish with the
  > distance heavily.
  > > But, the influence of them on electrosensitives can be
  > over a great distance.
  > >
  > > So, if your Gauss meter tells you that the magnetic
  > fields are low, that is no assurance, that an
  > electrosensitive person may not be harrassed by them.
  > >
  > > 5. It is my opinion, that we have electrical fields,
  > magnetical fields and frequencies.
  > > Although it may sound technically improper, I have
  > experienced, that each of them may appear without the other.
  > > It has to do with the controversial longitudinal waves,
  > which travel over a greater distance than transversal waves.
  > >
  > > And it is the content of the information in these
  > longitudinal waves, that is biological effective or not.
  > > That is the reason why electrosensitives may react to
  > very tiner, hardly measurable quantities of elektrosmog.
  > >
  > > Please have a look at
  > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
  > > and scroll down to 18-07-2010 Powerplug.
  > >
  > > The first spectrogram shows the influence of a dLan or
  > powerplug.
  > > The second spectogram shows when it was dismounted.
  > > The rest of the peaks are the normal *dirty power* which
  > one may find in large cities, like here in Gent, Belgium.
  > >
  > > 6. There are two types of Gauss or Tesla meters.
  > > The simple ones do have only one measuring axis inside,
  > so you have to measure X-, Y- and Z- axis, and calculate
  > the value accordingly.
  > > It is easier to use a 3D Tesla or Gauss meter. That is
  > *pointing and reading*.
  > > For quick working I use a Professional 3-axis digital
  > Tesla meter (16-2000 Hz).
  > > For exact working I use a Spectran NF 5020 (0-20000
  > MHz), which has a 3D axis for magnetical AC as well as
  > magnetical DC fields.
  > >
  > > 7. It is my experience during the last twelve years,
  > that most people do not know what the really damaging
  > elektrosmog source is.
  > > Very often they point to a mobile phone mast, they can
  > see, but also very often I measure heavier masts, they
  > cannot see.
  > > And boy-oh-boy what do I encounter in most kitchens.
  > That is horrible.
  > > And other sources they have in their homes.
  > > Also there is a synergy from different sources coming
  > together.
  > >
  > > 8. Samuel Milham has wrtitten his book *Dirty
  > electricity*. Recommendable.
  > > His findings were, that cancer was exploding in 2-3
  > years time (Breast cancer, leukemia etc.) by dirty
  > electricity !!
  > > (Not the 10-20 years they tell us.)
  > >
  > > 9. For more understanding of electrosensitivity see:
  > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html
  > >
  > > 10. If we talk about lamps.
  > > There are lamps that do have electrical as well as
  > magnetical fields.
  > > There are lamps, that are clean, but cause *dirty power*
  > into the mains, but hardly *dirty air*.
  > > There are lamps, that are clean, and do not cause *dirty
  > power*, but a certain amount of *dirty air*.
  > > And there are lamps, that are completely clean, but
  > expensive (momentarily).
  > >
  > >
  > > Greetings,
  > > Charles Claessens
  > > member Verband Baubiologie
  > > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > > www.milieuziektes.be
  > > www.hetbitje.nl
  > > checked by Norton
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: jaime_schunkewitz
  > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:15 PM
  > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
  > >
  > >
  > > Shivani wrote: "Many people initially use
  > > a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic
  > > fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not
  > > what causes EHS symptoms."
  > >
  > > You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to
  > > 60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.
  > > I get chest pains and a headache.
  > >
  > > Also, there are gauss meters that
  > > measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.
  > >
  > > And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors
  > > only address differential noise - what
  > > about common-mode noise? They really
  > > shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature
  > > for multi-stage in-line units which have
  > > large inductors and are grounded.
  > >
  > > With that said, I use a few home-made bypass
  > > capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean
  > > differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.
  > > The capacitor generates a magnetic field and
  > > there is also causes some AM interference.
  > > I keep them as far away as possible.
  > >
  > > Eli
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > --- In [hidden email]
  > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "emraware" <emraware@>
  > wrote:
  > > >
  > > > I also heard cases where people got worse from GS
  > filters. Thus, we need to be careful before advertising GS
  > filter until we have more information. A few limited
  > studies is not enough evidence here. (If anything, we have
  > a few limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who
  > is helping ES, says he took it apart, and doesn't believe
  > it can help.)
  > > >
  > > > My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the
  > source's "dirty electricity" itself. E.g., Stetzer filter
  > does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb itself, which
  > is still measurable by AM radio. It can't justify keeping
  > the CFL bulb.
  > > >
  > > > Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the
  > harmonics go into the MHz range. I also read that it can
  > make the dirty electricity dirtier:
  > http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > --- In [hidden email]
  > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, SArjuna@ wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF
  > in her house. Please share details about what kind of
  > metering you used, Loni.
  > > > >
  > > > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the
  > field of force associated with electric charge in motion,
  > havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing
  > a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."
  > > > >
  > > > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these
  > only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is
  > not what causes EHS symptoms.
  > > > >
  > > > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity
  > of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few
  > inches. And the harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.
  > > > >
  > > > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave
  > frequencies.
  > > > >
  > > > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce
  > frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz
  > in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into.
  > They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can
  > they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes,
  > phone lines, ductwork, etc. They do a specific job and
  > they do it very well.
  > > > >
  > > > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than
  > 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than
  > installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.
  > > > >
  > > > > Shivani Arjuna
  > > > > www.LifeEnergies.com
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Charles, of course You get the correct value if You find the
maximum value.

And for us who are electrosensitive, the absolute values is
completely irrelevant. the meter is just used to avoid
levels that we cant tolerate.

/anders

charles skrev 2011-01-25 16:05:
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I'm sorry I get a little confused by the tech references & haven't read a book on it yet.

 Which one would the armature buy for emf's & dirty transient electricity?

Kathy
From: Anders Eriksson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal








 



 


   
     
     
      Charles, of course You get the correct value if You find the

maximum value.



And for us who are electrosensitive, the absolute values is

completely irrelevant. the meter is just used to avoid

levels that we cant tolerate.



/anders



charles skrev 2011-01-25 16:05:

>

> Hello Anders,

>

> sure you can do that.

>

> But that way you do not measure correctly and do not find

> the exact value.

>

> It is explained in every manual of selfrespecting

> manufacturors.

>

> Greetings,

> Charles Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

> checked by Norton

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Anders Eriksson

> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:21 PM

> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

>

> Charles, instead of measuring X-, Y- and Z-axis separately,

> You can rotate the meter in three dimensions and search for

> the highest reading. Easy and cheap.

>

> /anders

>

> charles skrev 2011-01-25 11:51:

> >

> > THose meters are only 1 D.

> > They now have 3D, but they are very expensive.

> >

> > Measuring with 1D is rather complicated.

> > You must measure the X-, Y, Z-axis, raise them to the

> > higher power, sum them, and from the sum the root must be

> > extracted.

> > So you need a calculator with them.

> >

> > Therefore I prefer a 3D Gauss or Teslameter.

> > It is just *point and read*.

> >

> > For amateurs, 20-2000 Hz will do.

> > Here a Spectran NF will do. There are several types.

> > They are not expensive, and contain 3D for magnetical

> fields.

> > And, very important, you can see which frequencies are

> > present, which all other meters do not show.

> >

> > Greetings,

> > Charles Claessens

> > member Verband Baubiologie

> > www.milieuziektes.nl

> > www.milieuziektes.be

> > www.hetbitje.nl

> > checked by Norton

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: jaime_schunkewitz

> > To: [hidden email]

> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:23 AM

> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

> >

> > Thanks Charles for the clarification.

> >

> > My point is that 60 Hz magnetic fields can cause

> > severe electrosensitive symptoms. Take for instance

> > power transmission lines, a soldering iron or a

> > refrigerator - both are devastating because of the

> > elevated 60 Hz magnetic field they generate.

> >

> > I'm still trying to figure out whether dirty electricity

> > is bad because of the electric field, magnetic field,

> > or does it break out to an electromagnetic wave. It

> > seems to be problematic even when there is no current.

> >

> > As for gauss meters, Gigahertz Solutions has several

> > meters that measure beyond 60 Hz. The ME3951A

> > is good up to 400 KHz. It even has a high-pass switch

> > to eliminate 60 Hz from the measurement.

> >

> > Eli

> >

> > --- In [hidden email]

> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles" <charles@...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > We should consider what we are talking about.

> > >

> > > Now and then I can't help smiling when reading what has

> > been written here.

> > >

> > > First of all, there is no discussion about what

> > electrosensitives may experience.

> > > Nobody can feel elektrosmog, because we do not have an

> > organ for that.

> > > But parts of our body do react to elektrosmog. That is

> > for shure, and undeniable.

> > >

> > > However, many do not realize what the limitations of

> > their meters are, and furthermore they do not realize what

> > the exact origin of their elektrosmog source is.

> > > The elektrosmog family is a very large one, with many

> > tentacles.

> > >

> > > And one should consider the time factor for reactions.

> > Many people do react to a DECT phone within minutes, but

> > the reaction to a GSM mast may be delayued for many hours.

> > > I do know people who react today on what they were

> > exposed yesterday.

> > > I know persons who do not react to a DECT phone (1.8

> > GHz), but heavily to a signal of 5.8 GHz.

> > >

> > > Now first and for all, clean 50-60 Hz does not pose a

> > threat.

> > > The danger lies in the transients. Those are the

> > frequencies you do not pay for, but which are delivered to

> > you unvoluntarily.

> > > There should be a law that the companies are obliged to

> > deleiver clean 50-60 Hz.

> > >

> > > I devide *dirty electricity* into two parts.

> > >

> > > 1. The *dirty power*, which is in the mains electricity

> > net. The transients can be measured with a

> > spectrumanalyser (I use a Spectran NF 5035 with a

> > differential probe and 40 dB EMV preamp, thus measuring

> > frequencies from 0 Hz up to 30 MHz.), the wellknown

> > Stetzerizer meter and the Entech meter which goes up to

> > 800 kHz.

> > > The *dirty power* can be reduced with filters, like

> > those of Stetzer (5-150 kHz) or those by Bajog (5 kHz-30

> MHz.)

> > > Be aware that the ground cables can bring *dirty power*

> > into your homes. They are normally coupled to electricity,

> > water and gas.

> > >

> > > 2. What I call *dirty air*. That are the floating

> > frequencies in the air.

> > > They may com from electrical appliances like halogen

> > lamps (12/24 Volt), CRT Televisons, LCD and Plasma

> > televisions and monitors, etc.

> > > And now the smart meters.

> > > Here no filters can help, because it is not in the mains.

> > > I have *dirty air* measured coming out of the beams from

> > mobile phone masts, especially UMTS or 3G.

> > > (When these beams come to a wall, the frequencies can

> > enter the wall, and also get into the mains electricity

> > net, and resides there as *dirty power*.

> > >

> > > *Dirty air* can be measued. I do have special detectors

> > with different antennas for that. When I have found spots,

> > I measure them with my aforementioned Spectran NF 5035 mit

> > special antennas and the 30 dB preamp).

> > > But it can be detected with a HAM radio.

> > >

> > > 3. So the dirty power is measured as in 1.

> > > And the dirty air is measured as in 2.

> > >

> > > 4. Now, if somebody reacts to 50-60 Hz, it is not this

> > frequency, but the magnetic fields.

> > > Overhere I measure from a Stetzer filter 3250 nT but

> > from a Bajog filter only 140 nT, measured diredtly on top

> > of them.

> > > The strenght of these magnetic fields diminish with the

> > distance heavily.

> > > But, the influence of them on electrosensitives can be

> > over a great distance.

> > >

> > > So, if your Gauss meter tells you that the magnetic

> > fields are low, that is no assurance, that an

> > electrosensitive person may not be harrassed by them.

> > >

> > > 5. It is my opinion, that we have electrical fields,

> > magnetical fields and frequencies.

> > > Although it may sound technically improper, I have

> > experienced, that each of them may appear without the other.

> > > It has to do with the controversial longitudinal waves,

> > which travel over a greater distance than transversal waves.

> > >

> > > And it is the content of the information in these

> > longitudinal waves, that is biological effective or not.

> > > That is the reason why electrosensitives may react to

> > very tiner, hardly measurable quantities of elektrosmog.

> > >

> > > Please have a look at

> > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html

> > > and scroll down to 18-07-2010 Powerplug.

> > >

> > > The first spectrogram shows the influence of a dLan or

> > powerplug.

> > > The second spectogram shows when it was dismounted.

> > > The rest of the peaks are the normal *dirty power* which

> > one may find in large cities, like here in Gent, Belgium.

> > >

> > > 6. There are two types of Gauss or Tesla meters.

> > > The simple ones do have only one measuring axis inside,

> > so you have to measure X-, Y- and Z- axis, and calculate

> > the value accordingly.

> > > It is easier to use a 3D Tesla or Gauss meter. That is

> > *pointing and reading*.

> > > For quick working I use a Professional 3-axis digital

> > Tesla meter (16-2000 Hz).

> > > For exact working I use a Spectran NF 5020 (0-20000

> > MHz), which has a 3D axis for magnetical AC as well as

> > magnetical DC fields.

> > >

> > > 7. It is my experience during the last twelve years,

> > that most people do not know what the really damaging

> > elektrosmog source is.

> > > Very often they point to a mobile phone mast, they can

> > see, but also very often I measure heavier masts, they

> > cannot see.

> > > And boy-oh-boy what do I encounter in most kitchens.

> > That is horrible.

> > > And other sources they have in their homes.

> > > Also there is a synergy from different sources coming

> > together.

> > >

> > > 8. Samuel Milham has wrtitten his book *Dirty

> > electricity*. Recommendable.

> > > His findings were, that cancer was exploding in 2-3

> > years time (Breast cancer, leukemia etc.) by dirty

> > electricity !!

> > > (Not the 10-20 years they tell us.)

> > >

> > > 9. For more understanding of electrosensitivity see:

> > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina111.html

> > >

> > > 10. If we talk about lamps.

> > > There are lamps that do have electrical as well as

> > magnetical fields.

> > > There are lamps, that are clean, but cause *dirty power*

> > into the mains, but hardly *dirty air*.

> > > There are lamps, that are clean, and do not cause *dirty

> > power*, but a certain amount of *dirty air*.

> > > And there are lamps, that are completely clean, but

> > expensive (momentarily).

> > >

> > >

> > > Greetings,

> > > Charles Claessens

> > > member Verband Baubiologie

> > > www.milieuziektes.nl

> > > www.milieuziektes.be

> > > www.hetbitje.nl

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> > >

> > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > From: jaime_schunkewitz

> > > To: [hidden email]

> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:15 PM

> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal

> > >

> > >

> > > Shivani wrote: "Many people initially use

> > > a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic

> > > fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not

> > > what causes EHS symptoms."

> > >

> > > You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to

> > > 60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.

> > > I get chest pains and a headache.

> > >

> > > Also, there are gauss meters that

> > > measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

> > >

> > > And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors

> > > only address differential noise - what

> > > about common-mode noise? They really

> > > shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature

> > > for multi-stage in-line units which have

> > > large inductors and are grounded.

> > >

> > > With that said, I use a few home-made bypass

> > > capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean

> > > differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.

> > > The capacitor generates a magnetic field and

> > > there is also causes some AM interference.

> > > I keep them as far away as possible.

> > >

> > > Eli

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "emraware" <emraware@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I also heard cases where people got worse from GS

> > filters. Thus, we need to be careful before advertising GS

> > filter until we have more information. A few limited

> > studies is not enough evidence here. (If anything, we have

> > a few limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who

> > is helping ES, says he took it apart, and doesn't believe

> > it can help.)

> > > >

> > > > My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the

> > source's "dirty electricity" itself. E.g., Stetzer filter

> > does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb itself, which

> > is still measurable by AM radio. It can't justify keeping

> > the CFL bulb.

> > > >

> > > > Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the

> > harmonics go into the MHz range. I also read that it can

> > make the dirty electricity dirtier:

> > http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In [hidden email]

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> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, SArjuna@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF

> > in her house. Please share details about what kind of

> > metering you used, Loni.

> > > > >

> > > > > EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the

> > field of force associated with electric charge in motion,

> > havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing

> > a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."

> > > > >

> > > > > Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these

> > only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is

> > not what causes EHS symptoms.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity

> > of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few

> > inches. And the harmful frequencies have been greatly

> reduced.

> > > > >

> > > > > EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave

> > frequencies.

> > > > >

> > > > > The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce

> > frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz

> > in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into.

> > They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can

> > they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes,

> > phone lines, ductwork, etc. They do a specific job and

> > they do it very well.

> > > > >

> > > > > To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than

> > 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than

> > installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shivani Arjuna

> > > > > www.LifeEnergies.com

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> I think it is the same Cellfood. I purchase it in Australia labelled
> CELLFOOD AUSTRALIA, but the rear of label says Sole Australian Importer
> of Genuine Cellfood.

Yes, it sounds like its the same CELLFOOD.  I also find this to be a
beneficial supplement, although I don't think it helps my ES much if
at all.  

But for example, I've got some post-dental-appointment tooth pain, and
I find that CELLFOOD is really helpful for eliminating the pain.

Marc

Here is a link to some in-line, multi-stage
filters that offer differential and common-mode
attenuation:

http://www.schaffner.com/components/en/product/productL23.asp?level=3$1$4&language_id=12

Rated for up to 30 Amps, they are suitable for
house installations.

So where does the high-frequency energy go?
Inductor impedance increases with frequency.
So the high frequency energy is stored as
magnetic flux in the inductors.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "wabobill" <wabobill@...> wrote:

I use the cellfood Silica Formula & it does help me with energy. I just had a crown put on & not doing so well so maybe it will help me. Loni

--- On Tue, 1/25/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] CELLFOOD
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 1:36 PM


 



> I think it is the same Cellfood. I purchase it in Australia labelled
> CELLFOOD AUSTRALIA, but the rear of label says Sole Australian Importer
> of Genuine Cellfood.

Yes, it sounds like its the same CELLFOOD. I also find this to be a
beneficial supplement, although I don't think it helps my ES much if
at all.

But for example, I've got some post-dental-appointment tooth pain, and
I find that CELLFOOD is really helpful for eliminating the pain.

Marc








     

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Helen, Can you tell us how much cell food you are taking to be staturating?  Loni

--- On Mon, 1/24/11, Helen Murphy <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Helen Murphy <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 9:18 PM


Dear Shivani and group,

I became EHS from 50-60Hz.  I had high magnetic fields everywhere in my
home. Even though I had great relief with the Stetzer filters, I had over
time become more and more senstive to higher frequencies too. It was not
sustainable to continue living under that magnetic field as I would correct
one symptom, another would appear.
Now that I am out, I have been saturating myself with cell food and having
great results.

Cheers,
Helen

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Hi Loni,

Started with the recommended dosage of 8 drops x 3 lots per day and now on
12 drops x 3 times a day.
Helen

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Helen,

What meter or way of testing did you use for old & new homes? What were your readings at the old place? What type of cell food?

I am becoming more & more EHS. I'm blaming my metal surgical clips & aluminum wiring along w increasing cell  emf's.

I know it depends on one's health. Is it possible to have clips from gallbladder surgery safely removed? I'm going to see some doc's about it.

Thanks for any help.

Kathy
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From: Helen Murphy <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 1:36 AM

Hi Loni,

Started with the recommended dosage of 8 drops x 3 lots per day and now on
12 drops x 3 times a day.
Helen

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