RxDNA and MxDNA Noise Reduction Technology Dissipative Noise Attentuation

Amazon sells the Isobar, I guess i could try that first and if it doesn't do the job return it for the Furman. They sell that one also for $140 or so.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > So it seems to me that the RxDNA might be somewhat like the Noise
> > Harvesters
>
> Doing a bit of searching on the Noise Harvesters, I find sketchy
> and conflicting information, but according to some sources, the
> Noise Harvesters only focus on noise in a very narrow range:
> 8 khz - 15 khz (and presumably higher frequency harmonics from
> this), and remove "8 - 10 watts of line noise per day".

Wow ! Just like you've said ,the band is pretty narrow !!! If it would work like in the 5-500 kHz of the RxDNA i bet the capacitor would load up pretty quickly and then you would need to pack-up on more unit to do the higher demand on filtering ?

Its almost like pushing full range to a sub woofer speaker and then switching to low pass only ! Way less load on the speaker when the range is narrow ...

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
Well if i got this wright the RxDNA does not store in a capacitor like the Noise Harvesters does ... It just convert it to heat and dissipate it as soon noise happen !

I'm gonna send you a mail on the subject and personal experience from people ... you decide as a moderator if you want to post it here afterword .

> I'm gonna send you a mail on the subject and personal experience from
> people ... you decide as a moderator if you want to post it here
> afterword.

And here is that email...

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It goes like this!

I PERSONALLY DO NOT RECOMMEND THE FILTERS, MY EXPERIENCES RESULTED IN MANY ISSUES WITH THESE THINGS, I BOUGHT QUITE A FEW AT THE TIME, I DO RECOMMEND THE METER - YOU MUST CONSIDER THE DIRTY ELECTRICITY.  JUST HAD A FELLOW BACK EAST GET A METER AND HE PHONED ME CONFUSED BECAUSE HE WAS GETTING A READING OF 1700, HE COULDN'T BELIEVE IT - HE IS ALSO EXPERIENCEING HIGH ANIEXTY

FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF - I AM COPYING AND PASTING MY EXPERIECE WITH STETZER FILTERS WHEN RESPONDING TO ANOTHER CUSTOMER - I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED HIS COMMENTS (HE BOUGHT MY STETZER FILTERS WHEN I SOLD THEM USED ON EBAY - WE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEM - HE SAYS HE IS A DOWSER SO TAKE IT FOR WHAT ITS WORTH AND YOU DECIDE) I ALSO INCLUDED INFO ABOUT THE RXDNA WHICH IS WHAT I AM USING NOW FOR MY DIRTY ELECTRICITY AN D AM VERY HAPPY WITH IT, I ALSO SUPPORT AND SELL THE RXDNA.  I BELIEVE ITS THE SAFEST WAY TO REDUCE DIRTY ELECTRICY/

My copy of my email sent:

 I use to use the Stetzer filters in my home to get rid of the dirty electricity as I've mentioned before, but I also had a problem with very high magnetic fields in different spots in my home during the time of using the filters.

I had a building biologist come in and inspect my home to find out what I could do about these fields, I thought I had a bad wiring problem.  But during his extensive research, he saw I had the filters and suggested I take them all out and test the the magnetic fields again.  And what we both discovered is the filters actually enhanced dramatically the magnetic fields I already had.  Once removed, the area of magnetic fields reduced to a normal range, 1-3milligauss. The magnetic fields was coming from under the ground along a pipe that was buried.  (I live in an apartment)  so these fields could not be remedied. I was so surprised to find the filters helped with one thing, but then also created another problem.  I could feel a big difference in my home once removed.  He said he found this to be a problem in some homes while using the filters.  Well this left me without a way to reduce my dirty electricity which was also high.

 After plugging in the RXDNA to get rid of the dirty electricity and for almost one full day, I could feel energy moving in my house that I never felt before. It was absolutely amazing and shocking. It was like someone had released a dam in my home.  I know this may sound strange, but its the best way to describe it.  It seemed  very odd, then my house felt like it had a dampness I'd never experienced before either.  Then it all stopped and my home calmed way down.  Somehow or another - the stetzer filters created some sort of electrical damming.  This was my experience.  No technical explanation.  Now all the dirty electricity is dissipated using the rxdna, yes it may be also dissapating the extra current coming in also, I don't know, but my electric bill did not increase.   This other unit may be good regarding dirty electricity - I would want to consult with the founder of rxdna for his opinion, I trust his abilities - and I have my own personal experiences with it.  My home is very calm. Have you seen this on the powergard http://open4energy.com/forum/home/scam/nevvus_powergard

very interesting site you may want to save.  Very informative.

Oh my, I just went back and re-read the information about other filters on my site for the rxdna, because I wanted to review what was said about other types of filters for getting rid of dirty electricity.  Here is  a copy of it from my site:  What is shocking to me, is that it is exactly what happened in my home, I had a sense of a dam being released once I installed the rxdna unit.  It had released this dam.
IT WAS A VERY, VERY PROFOUND EXPERIENCE.  So you may want to review this information below about Filter products.
(Can find this info on my site under rxdna) 1.2.2 Filter Products
"Power conditioning" is the broad umbrella of a wide variety of techniques, circuits and systems that filter, smooth, regulate, limit, compensate and adjust AC and DC power to accomplish optimum system performance.
In the arena of removing noise, most such conditioning products filter noise. This means that they stop or arrest the noise. It is somewhat akin to damming a river. The problem with the filter approach (and the dam for that matter) is that the pressure is always there. There is something that is always trying to get through. There are various things that can change that will alter the effectiveness of the filter, most notably the load impedance. Simply turning loads off or on, by definition, changes the load impedance, so the effectiveness of a filter, typically varies.
Care must be taken in the design and use of filters since they frequently have high-Q circuits. This allows them to have sharp pass bands or stop bands, but has the decided disadvantage that high-Q circuits typically develop very high internal voltages. These internal voltages are Q-times the applied voltage. So a filter with a Q of 10 (not a particularly high Q) that is powered from 120 VAC, will have (10 * 120) 1200 volts AC internal to the filter. Now, moisture, dust and other debris become a problem since they can cause arcing in the filter. In addition to precipitating component breakdown, and causing a fire hazard, electrical arcs are perhaps the most powerful generator of broadband noise that mankind has ever invented.
Filters require that they carry the power that they are filtering. So all of the power that needs to be filtered passes through the filter. If a filter is added to a major utility power feed after the fact, it will require quite a bit of efforts to reroute the power through the filter.

So thank you I hope to speak to my friend about this unit too hopefully soon to get his take on it.



Response from my customer who bought the stetzer filters

 I don't want to sound mean, but I was going to actually return the Stetzers to you.  I felt this sort of 'backing up' of energy almost immediately, it was difficult to explain.  But I am torn because I do feel an improvement in the harmonics of the line, something else felt off.  It is sad, often solutions to problems, bring about more problems themselves!  What a conundrum.

Here is something really odd.. Yesterday I saw the power company parked with a van on the street, and a diagnostics expert walking around. I asked the lady across the street what was going on, and she said "Everyone on the street is having some sort of power issue, like surges or something."...  Ugh, I wasn't having these issues, but everyone else was!  Is it possible the Stetzers were pushing so much noise back into the system it was damning up, overflowing, and blowing back to my neighbors?  The timing is interesting, this was exactly 1 day after installing the filters.  This is not good, they were out all day trying to find the issues, and I do not think they resolved it.

I am also a dowser, intuitive, and energy aware person as I explained.  So I certainly dowsed the situation, and the results were, interesting...

Percentage improvement in electricity after installing stetzers - 425%
Percentage improvement after re-allocating them to current locations - 465%
Impediment to flow of improper/dangerous energies - 41%
Impediment to flow of beneficial energies - 30%

Where is the damned up energy going?

Back into mains - 21
Stuck in filters - 45
Stuck in lines somewhere - 11
Re-routed through something else - 36
Ground rods - 99
Pipes - 0
HVAC Vents - 0


So from this, it looks like Stetzers are cleaning up the power, and improving perhaps only 1-2 aspects of the power. But they are also impeding the flow of natural energies. (30%) Also damning up energy (74%).  Most of this appears to be stuck in the filters, followed by some going back into the mains, and others finding expression somewhere else (possibly through pipes, as you found).  I will ask, did you have ANY grounding connected to pipes?  I had all of my electricity re-constructed a couple years ago, and had huge double grounding rods installed out in the yard, before it grounded to pipes, and caused many issues.  However, even with this done, I can still trigger mild current through the pipes because they still pick up current from the ground.

So from the above, it looks like the filters are holding a lot (capacitors?), 1 is bleeding through possibly heat loss, or natural decay. Some going back into the mains to other homes, or power company. A small amount stuck in the lines somewhere (Between filters?), and a whole bunch going back into the ground rod system I have in place. With your case, it might have been that the 'closest' method to burn off those fields, were the pipes right under you.  For me, it would be the 30 feet deep grounding rods in my yard and double grounding array cables run directly in to the mains. This makes sense.

I took the liberty of checking your situation from remote (dowser).  This is for your location:

Percentage improvement in electricity after installing RxDNA - 205%
Percentage improvement when you had Stetzers installed - 400%
Impediment to flow of improper/dangerous energies with RxDNA - 55%
Impediment to flow of improper/dangerous energies with Stetzers - 43%
Impediment to flow of beneficial energies with RxDNA- 27%
Impediment to flow of beneficial energies with Stetzers- 28%
Energy Damning up with RxDNA - 11%
Energy Damning up with Stetzers - 94% (average, surges and non surges)

So from this, we can tell a few things..  The Stetzer was more effective at blocking a wider range of things, and overall improvement, at the core, was much higher (double).  However the RxDNA is slightly better at the more dangerous energies, but less overall spectrum of coverage. But in your case, 94% energy damning of what was filtered, with virtually no good expression of those energies, so you were right, 94% backup of this stuff in your apartment!

Remember, you cannot stop energy, you can only alter, or divert it.  Cosmic law. I can move a "Ley Line" from a home, but I cannot block it, or a vortex will form, and often those can be more trouble than they are worth, and most people have vortexes in their homes because of improper considerations of natural energies. It's easy to re-locate Ley Lines around a home, and often people experience huge, dramatic increases in well being.

So anything a filter like Stetzer does, will have to find expression somewhere else.  The RxDNA appears to be able to internally deal with the excess energy somehow, whereas the Stetzers did not, they created 'blockages' in your system, which expressed down to your pipes, and closest grounds. (which might be you walking past too)

Since the maximum for me was 74%, let's check overall.

After installation of filters - 87%
Within 1 hour - 42%
Within 12 hours - 11%
Within 24 hours - 8%
Today - 3%

For you, back when you installed the Stetzers.

After installation of filters - 100%
Within 1 hour - 96%
Within 12 hours - 88%
Within 24 hours - 88%

So it looks like no proper expression of the excess stuff was found in your home, so everything sort of 'charged up', and maintained at 88% inability to dissipate.  Right now in your home/apartment.

After installation of RxDNA - 28%
Within 1 hour - 11%
Within 12 hours - 11%
Within 24 hours - 11%

So I suspect, you felt an improvement after about an hour of RxDNA being plugged it, and it is no wonder why.

Interesting, it appears after an initial phase of introduction, the Stetzers actually improve function over time.  I searched videos, and found this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2uXJFwc5gM&feature=related  these dowsings fall in line with that, as the guy indicates, the filter actually improves over time. I've found the same thing with Stetzers. In your case, I think the issue was, there just wasn't a place for natural expression, nowhere for it to go properly, so it pushed it to your pipes.   Do you think that sounds feasible?

So what's the answer?  RxDNA is interesting, and in theory, makes sense. Convert the extra rubbish to heat, and dissapate the heat.

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Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same?  Loni

--- On Fri, 1/14/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Dirty Electricity Removal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:16 PM


 



> Don't know you guys if you got any luck or what have you come up to
> as for witch device work the best for EMF or Dirty Electricity
> removal ???

I suppose it depends on what your goal is -- to reduce the readings
on your meter, or to feel better?

I've tried various filters that measurably reduce the dirty electricity
meter readings (Stetzerizer meter, Entech meter), but sometimes that
makes no difference in how I feel, and sometimes I actually feel worse
from these filters!

Meanwhile there are things like the Quantum Home and Earthcalm Home
which have NO impact on these meters, yet do make me feel better.

That said, I do use a Furman "linear filter" power strip (PST-8,PST-10)
for my computer & TV stuff, which does reduce the meter readings
without making me feel worse. :-)

Marc








     

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What are harmonics?  Loni

--- On Sat, 1/15/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: AM radio
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 3:38 AM


 



The AM radio will pick up harmonics emited by the filters - puk


In a message dated 15/01/2011 07:28:13 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Isn't the Stetzer filter in a working range of 4kHz to 100kHz so Isn't
> the AM radio a bit out of range with its 500 - 1600 khz Marc ?

Only if one is using an AM radio to test Stetzer filters... :-)
I'm more interested in using AM radios to test unfiltered electronics.

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> Does the Furman make you feel less reactive or just the same?  Loni

The Furman power strip gave the lowest noise reading on the
Stetzerizer/Entech meters, but I was never convinced that it
made any difference in my symptoms.

Compare that with finding a tolerable Blu-ray player vs. not,
which makes a *huge* difference.

Marc

By harmonics is meant the integer multiples of 60 Hz, where 60 Hz = 60 cycles per second.

Thus,
* 120Hz is the 2nd harmonic on the 60 Hz system, and
* 180 Hz is the 3rd harmonic on the 60 Hz system, etc.

It's also used analogously as a a musical term.  You can see what it might look like pictorially at
http://library.thinkquest.org/C005705/English/sound/sound5.htm

--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

Remember that EMF is a multi-faceted monster.

Thus, while a capacitative filter may reduce voltage pulses, it may be at expense of increasing current pulses.  See: http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html 

--- In [hidden email], "wabobill" <wabobill@...> wrote:

--- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> Richard Conrad tells me the "Audio Power Industries" Ultra series
> may be the best fitlers.  He said they start at about $500.

May be some nice units but theses looks like plug trough Type ...
The higher the wattage you need the $$$ of a units you will also need ... Good for sound system ,computer etc. but what about a whole house with electric base board heating system and all the other stuff ... A bit more complicated to work with !

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> You cannot measure dirty electricity with a Trifield meter.



So is an AM radio the best for measuring the radiation part ?

Dear all,

I had the stetzer filters in my home in Australia that had high magnetic
fields. I could physically feel the difference straight away after
installation.
My dog, who could hardly walk due to EMR effects, got up and walked again
and could go for quite a few kilometres.

Must work!
Cheers, Helen

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> My dog, who could hardly walk due to EMR effects, got up and walked
> again and could go for quite a few kilometres.

Funny that your dog likes it too! Are you sure there s no placebo effect with your dog?!
;-)


--- In [hidden email], Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@...> wrote:

I found that the stetzer's actually increased the emf in my house. I had more severe symptoms plus I had more fatigue so I sent them back. Wish they would have worked for me. Loni

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Dirty Electricity Removal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:57 PM


 



> My dog, who could hardly walk due to EMR effects, got up and walked
> again and could go for quite a few kilometres.

Funny that your dog likes it too! Are you sure there s no placebo effect with your dog?!
;-)

--- In [hidden email], Helen Murphy <helenmurphybb@...> wrote:








     

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I didn't feel much of an effect from the stetzer filters. I had them about a month. I sent them back. They were really expensive too. So far the only thing that has worked for me is 5 days on the beach in Mexico. Very little electricity there and no cell service. Not where I go anyway. I went on a cruse to Hawaii about 2 years ago. I almost felt normal in a good way. Normal for me now is bad and sometimes worse. :)


--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

 Loni wrote that using Stetzer meters increased EMF in her house.  Please share details about what kind of metering you used, Loni.

EMF means electromagnetic field and indicates "the field of force associated with electric charge in motion, havingboth electric and magnetic components and containing a definite amountof electromagnetic energy."

Many people initially use a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic fields of 50-60 Hz.  This frequency is not what causes EHS symptoms.

There is a magnetic field in the immediate vicinity of installed Stetzer filters, but it only extends a few inches.  And the harmful frequencies have been greatly reduced.

EHS symptoms are caused by radio and microwave frequencies.

The Stetzer meters very efficiently reduce frequencies in the "dirty electricity" range of 4-100KHz in the electricty of the circuits they are plugged into.  They are not designed to affect other frequencies, nor can they affect frequencies of current on your water pipes, phone lines, ductwork, etc.  They do a specific job and they do it very well.

To reduce exposure to harmful frequencies other than 4-100 KHz in building wiring circuits, other measures than installing Stetzer filters must be undertaken.  

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com





 




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I also heard cases where people got worse from GS filters.  Thus, we need to be careful before advertising GS filter until we have more information.  A few limited studies is not enough evidence here.  (If anything, we have a few limited studies on Q-Link, but Alasdair Philips who is helping ES, says he took it apart, and doesn't believe it can help.)

My AM radio showed that GS filter doesn't fix the source's "dirty electricity" itself.  E.g., Stetzer filter does not cancel out bad effects of CFL bulb itself, which is still measurable by AM radio.  It can't justify keeping the CFL bulb.

Additionally, 4-100 KHz range is not enough if the harmonics go into the MHz range.  I also read that it can make the dirty electricity dirtier:  http://www.emfrelief.com/capacitive-filters.html


--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@... wrote:

Shivani wrote: "Many people initially use
a Gauss meter, but these only meter magnetic
fields of 50-60 Hz. This frequency is not
what causes EHS symptoms."

You wrong Shivani. I'm hypersensitive to
60 Hz - ever since injury from CRT monitors.
I get chest pains and a headache.

Also, there are gauss meters that
measure frequencies higher than 60 Hz.

And remember, Stetzer bypass capacitors
only address differential noise - what
about common-mode noise? They really
shouldn't be called filters - a nomenclature
for multi-stage in-line units which have
large inductors and are grounded.

With that said, I use a few home-made bypass
capacitors (Panasonic) and they do clean
differential noise quite well into 1 megahertz.
The capacitor generates a magnetic field and
there is also causes some AM interference.
I keep them as far away as possible.

Eli



--- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote:

Eli,
Please chill with the direct attack.
> You wrong Shivani.

I'd like to think we are working together to help each other.

Shivani is posting what she believes is correct. I too get ES  
symptoms around electricity and I don't know how much of it is from  
the dirty electricity or something else that I have no idea about.

Please let's not attack each other. That is what "they" want us to do  
so we weaken our power.
I am not the moderator and please forgive me if this post is not  
warranted from my role. Just can't let this go on a list that I care  
so much about and that has helped me so much.

Many thanks to Marc.

Thank you,
Andrew


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Andrew McAfee
Lecturer/Horn Instructor, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Music Director/Conductor Triangle Youth Ballet
Former Principal Horn, North Carolina Symphony (1992-2007)

919.787.3022 (home)
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> Eli,
> Please chill with the direct attack.
> > You wrong Shivani.

I guess you must be more sensitive than I am Andrew, because
I would not consider that to be an "attack".

On every discussion group, you will find people who disagree
with each other.  For the most part we're pretty good here...
I can't recall having to ban anyone for attacking someone
else in years!

But yes, as long as we've got Shivani and Charles and me
all together on one group, there are bound to be
disagreements... :-)

Marc