Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions

Sorry if this is sent twice - Yahoo's being strange today.

Hey everyone,



A while ago I was asking about a tower without the typical rectangular
antennas found on most cell towers, but rather, round dishes.  To
recap, there's a farm property I was looking at staying on.



from the very edge of the property, farthest from the house (the
property is about 100 acres), a tower can be seen from the road.  My
friend and I estimated it's about 300-400 meters from this point.  (The
house is definitely farther away than that).



I've taken a photo of it to show all the details.  It has only three
dishes on it; one of them, my friend says, points somewhat in the
direction of the house.  There is another going in a similar direction,
but a somewhat different angle.  Of these two dishes, one appears
entirely concave (hollow) in shape; the other does, too, but has a
small horizontal antenna in its center.  Both dishes have a horizontal
bar sticking out behind them. The third dish points entirely away from
the property.



*I've linked to the pictures as uploads to my Photobucket account; Yahoo isn't letting me attach files for some reason.



Pics:



http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/?action=view&current=Tower1.jpg



http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/?action=view&current=AntennaTop.jpg



http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/Dish1.jpg



http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/?action=view&current=Dish2-2.jpg



My friend says the property is lower down than the tower.  I haven't
done a clear daytime check from the property for line of sight of the
dishes, though at nighttime, I was just able to see the red blinking
lights peeking over a hill from one part of the property.  These lights
are considerably higher on the tower than the dishes which point at all
toward the property.

(Though there are other, smaller lights, too, and it was impossible to tellwhich set I actually saw at night).



Near the top of the tower are two small squares of some sort, I've no idea what these are.



The very top part of the tower has about five two sided, very small
antennas, which don't look typical to me; there are about six very
little antenna looking things by the uppermost concave dish (this is
the dish which points in the other direction).



Right near the very top is a much smaller round thing, a dish perhaps,
but it's convex (pointing out rather than curving in).  It's positioned
somewhat towards the property. 



The pictures include a full view of the tower, and closeup crops of the
two dishes which point at all to the property, and the uppermost
assembly of the tower.



from the point at the edge of the property from which the tower can be
seen up the road, all the way up to the tower itself (I walked up the
road), I could not measure even 0.1 mw/m2 in the range of 800 MHz up to
6 GHz (using Gigahertz Solutions meters).  Nothing.  Just for the hell
of it, I tried an AM radio close by - I can't say I got any more noise
than I probably would find anywhere else.



On the property itself, I think I was able to hear a few blips between
800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, maybe 0.1 to 0.3 mw/m2, once in a while.



So - descriptions aside, what I've gathered so far from those of you who'veresponded is that:



-The radiation is probably minimal

-But, I don't want to be in the beam of the dishes

-"Scatter" from the dishes may or may not be present, but ideally one
doesn't want to be within 100 meters of the tower to avoid such scatter

-The RF from the dishes may be at 10 GHz or above



So I guess the questions which remain are:



-Which would be worse to have pointed in the direction of the property
- the dish with a smooth, concave surface, or the one with the concave
surface, that has a little horizontal antenna in the center?



-What about that little, convex dish close to the top? What could that
be - and would it be a concern if I could see that from the  property?



-And the little antennas, sticking out of the tall rod, on top of the tower?



-So, if I can measure virtually no RF (and if I go to the property in
daylight with binoculars and can't see the dishes from the property
(ie, they're obscured by a hill or something), and I don't feel bad
there (so far I've only spent about 4 or so hours there, in the house),
should it be a safe bet?



I'm sorry if some of these questions are a bit repetitive; I just
really would like to have a good idea of if it's worth the time of
packing everything up and investing living elsewhere for 5 or 6 months.



Thank you all so much!



R.



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Hello,

I think that those small antennas at the top are for police or fire brigade.
And those are very well below 800 MHz.
Overhere between 380 and 400 MHz.

So that may be the reason that you could not measure RF.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Ticle" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: [eSens] Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions


Sorry if this is sent twice - Yahoo's being strange today.

Hey everyone,



A while ago I was asking about a tower without the typical rectangular
antennas found on most cell towers, but rather, round dishes. To
recap, there's a farm property I was looking at staying on.



>From the very edge of the property, farthest from the house (the
property is about 100 acres), a tower can be seen from the road. My
friend and I estimated it's about 300-400 meters from this point. (The
house is definitely farther away than that).



I've taken a photo of it to show all the details. It has only three
dishes on it; one of them, my friend says, points somewhat in the
direction of the house. There is another going in a similar direction,
but a somewhat different angle. Of these two dishes, one appears
entirely concave (hollow) in shape; the other does, too, but has a
small horizontal antenna in its center. Both dishes have a horizontal
bar sticking out behind them. The third dish points entirely away from
the property.



*I've linked to the pictures as uploads to my Photobucket account; Yahoo
isn't letting me attach files for some reason.



Pics:



http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/?action=view&current=Tower1.jpg



http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/?action=view&current=AntennaTop.jpg



http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/Dish1.jpg



http://s122.photobucket.com/albums/o268/R-Ticle_One/?action=view&current=Dish2-2.jpg



My friend says the property is lower down than the tower. I haven't
done a clear daytime check from the property for line of sight of the
dishes, though at nighttime, I was just able to see the red blinking
lights peeking over a hill from one part of the property. These lights
are considerably higher on the tower than the dishes which point at all
toward the property.

(Though there are other, smaller lights, too, and it was impossible to tell
which set I actually saw at night).



Near the top of the tower are two small squares of some sort, I've no idea
what these are.



The very top part of the tower has about five two sided, very small
antennas, which don't look typical to me; there are about six very
little antenna looking things by the uppermost concave dish (this is
the dish which points in the other direction).



Right near the very top is a much smaller round thing, a dish perhaps,
but it's convex (pointing out rather than curving in). It's positioned
somewhat towards the property.



The pictures include a full view of the tower, and closeup crops of the
two dishes which point at all to the property, and the uppermost
assembly of the tower.



>From the point at the edge of the property from which the tower can be
seen up the road, all the way up to the tower itself (I walked up the
road), I could not measure even 0.1 mw/m2 in the range of 800 MHz up to
6 GHz (using Gigahertz Solutions meters). Nothing. Just for the hell
of it, I tried an AM radio close by - I can't say I got any more noise
than I probably would find anywhere else.



On the property itself, I think I was able to hear a few blips between
800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, maybe 0.1 to 0.3 mw/m2, once in a while.



So - descriptions aside, what I've gathered so far from those of you who've
responded is that:



-The radiation is probably minimal

-But, I don't want to be in the beam of the dishes

-"Scatter" from the dishes may or may not be present, but ideally one
doesn't want to be within 100 meters of the tower to avoid such scatter

-The RF from the dishes may be at 10 GHz or above



So I guess the questions which remain are:



-Which would be worse to have pointed in the direction of the property
- the dish with a smooth, concave surface, or the one with the concave
surface, that has a little horizontal antenna in the center?



-What about that little, convex dish close to the top? What could that
be - and would it be a concern if I could see that from the property?



-And the little antennas, sticking out of the tall rod, on top of the tower?



-So, if I can measure virtually no RF (and if I go to the property in
daylight with binoculars and can't see the dishes from the property
(ie, they're obscured by a hill or something), and I don't feel bad
there (so far I've only spent about 4 or so hours there, in the house),
should it be a safe bet?



I'm sorry if some of these questions are a bit repetitive; I just
really would like to have a good idea of if it's worth the time of
packing everything up and investing living elsewhere for 5 or 6 months.



Thank you all so much!



R.



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Hi Charles,

Thanks for the reply.  Do you think those sorts of antennas put out RFwith the same consistency and signal strength as mobile phone antennas?

Cheers,

R.

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions
To: [hidden email]
Received: Friday, April 23, 2010, 6:17 PM







 



 


   
     
     
Hello,



I think that those small antennas at the top are for police or fire brigade.

And those are very well below 800 MHz.

Overhere between 380 and 400 MHz.



So that may be the reason that you could not measure RF.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----

From: "R. Ticle" <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: <esens@yahoogroups. com>

Cc: <emfrefugee@yahoogro ups.com>

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:40 PM

Subject: [eSens] Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions



Sorry if this is sent twice - Yahoo's being strange today.



Hey everyone,



A while ago I was asking about a tower without the typical rectangular

antennas found on most cell towers, but rather, round dishes. To

recap, there's a farm property I was looking at staying on.



>From the very edge of the property, farthest from the house (the

property is about 100 acres), a tower can be seen from the road. My

friend and I estimated it's about 300-400 meters from this point. (The

house is definitely farther away than that).



I've taken a photo of it to show all the details. It has only three

dishes on it; one of them, my friend says, points somewhat in the

direction of the house. There is another going in a similar direction,

but a somewhat different angle. Of these two dishes, one appears

entirely concave (hollow) in shape; the other does, too, but has a

small horizontal antenna in its center. Both dishes have a horizontal

bar sticking out behind them. The third dish points entirely away from

the property.



*I've linked to the pictures as uploads to my Photobucket account; Yahoo

isn't letting me attach files for some reason.



Pics:



http://s122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/?action= view&current= Tower1.jpg



http://s122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/?action= view&current= AntennaTop. jpg



http://i122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/Dish1. jpg



http://s122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/?action= view&current= Dish2-2.jpg



My friend says the property is lower down than the tower. I haven't

done a clear daytime check from the property for line of sight of the

dishes, though at nighttime, I was just able to see the red blinking

lights peeking over a hill from one part of the property. These lights

are considerably higher on the tower than the dishes which point at all

toward the property.



(Though there are other, smaller lights, too, and it was impossible to tell

which set I actually saw at night).



Near the top of the tower are two small squares of some sort, I've no idea

what these are.



The very top part of the tower has about five two sided, very small

antennas, which don't look typical to me; there are about six very

little antenna looking things by the uppermost concave dish (this is

the dish which points in the other direction).



Right near the very top is a much smaller round thing, a dish perhaps,

but it's convex (pointing out rather than curving in). It's positioned

somewhat towards the property.



The pictures include a full view of the tower, and closeup crops of the

two dishes which point at all to the property, and the uppermost

assembly of the tower.



>From the point at the edge of the property from which the tower can be

seen up the road, all the way up to the tower itself (I walked up the

road), I could not measure even 0.1 mw/m2 in the range of 800 MHz up to

6 GHz (using Gigahertz Solutions meters). Nothing. Just for the hell

of it, I tried an AM radio close by - I can't say I got any more noise

than I probably would find anywhere else.



On the property itself, I think I was able to hear a few blips between

800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, maybe 0.1 to 0.3 mw/m2, once in a while.



So - descriptions aside, what I've gathered so far from those of you who've

responded is that:



-The radiation is probably minimal



-But, I don't want to be in the beam of the dishes



-"Scatter" from the dishes may or may not be present, but ideally one

doesn't want to be within 100 meters of the tower to avoid such scatter



-The RF from the dishes may be at 10 GHz or above



So I guess the questions which remain are:



-Which would be worse to have pointed in the direction of the property

- the dish with a smooth, concave surface, or the one with the concave

surface, that has a little horizontal antenna in the center?



-What about that little, convex dish close to the top? What could that

be - and would it be a concern if I could see that from the property?



-And the little antennas, sticking out of the tall rod, on top of the tower?



-So, if I can measure virtually no RF (and if I go to the property in

daylight with binoculars and can't see the dishes from the property

(ie, they're obscured by a hill or something), and I don't feel bad

there (so far I've only spent about 4 or so hours there, in the house),

should it be a safe bet?



I'm sorry if some of these questions are a bit repetitive; I just

really would like to have a good idea of if it's worth the time of

packing everything up and investing living elsewhere for 5 or 6 months.



Thank you all so much!



R.



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Hello,

if it is radiating TETRA, like they do overhere, it is pulsed with 17.6 Hz.
And quite the same consistency.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton





----- Original Message -----
From: "R. Ticle" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions


Hi Charles,

Thanks for the reply. Do you think those sorts of antennas put out RF with
the same consistency and signal strength as mobile phone antennas?

Cheers,

R.

--- On Fri, 4/23/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions
To: [hidden email]
Received: Friday, April 23, 2010, 6:17 PM

















Hello,



I think that those small antennas at the top are for police or fire brigade.

And those are very well below 800 MHz.

Overhere between 380 and 400 MHz.



So that may be the reason that you could not measure RF.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes. nl

www.milieuziektes. be

www.hetbitje. nl

checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----

From: "R. Ticle" <rticleone@yahoo. ca>

To: <esens@yahoogroups. com>

Cc: <emfrefugee@yahoogro ups.com>

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:40 PM

Subject: [eSens] Round Dish Tower - pictures/more questions



Sorry if this is sent twice - Yahoo's being strange today.



Hey everyone,



A while ago I was asking about a tower without the typical rectangular

antennas found on most cell towers, but rather, round dishes. To

recap, there's a farm property I was looking at staying on.



>From the very edge of the property, farthest from the house (the

property is about 100 acres), a tower can be seen from the road. My

friend and I estimated it's about 300-400 meters from this point. (The

house is definitely farther away than that).



I've taken a photo of it to show all the details. It has only three

dishes on it; one of them, my friend says, points somewhat in the

direction of the house. There is another going in a similar direction,

but a somewhat different angle. Of these two dishes, one appears

entirely concave (hollow) in shape; the other does, too, but has a

small horizontal antenna in its center. Both dishes have a horizontal

bar sticking out behind them. The third dish points entirely away from

the property.



*I've linked to the pictures as uploads to my Photobucket account; Yahoo

isn't letting me attach files for some reason.



Pics:



http://s122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/?action=
view&current= Tower1.jpg



http://s122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/?action=
view&current= AntennaTop. jpg



http://i122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/Dish1. jpg



http://s122. photobucket. com/albums/ o268/R-Ticle_ One/?action=
view&current= Dish2-2.jpg



My friend says the property is lower down than the tower. I haven't

done a clear daytime check from the property for line of sight of the

dishes, though at nighttime, I was just able to see the red blinking

lights peeking over a hill from one part of the property. These lights

are considerably higher on the tower than the dishes which point at all

toward the property.



(Though there are other, smaller lights, too, and it was impossible to tell

which set I actually saw at night).



Near the top of the tower are two small squares of some sort, I've no idea

what these are.



The very top part of the tower has about five two sided, very small

antennas, which don't look typical to me; there are about six very

little antenna looking things by the uppermost concave dish (this is

the dish which points in the other direction).



Right near the very top is a much smaller round thing, a dish perhaps,

but it's convex (pointing out rather than curving in). It's positioned

somewhat towards the property.



The pictures include a full view of the tower, and closeup crops of the

two dishes which point at all to the property, and the uppermost

assembly of the tower.



>From the point at the edge of the property from which the tower can be

seen up the road, all the way up to the tower itself (I walked up the

road), I could not measure even 0.1 mw/m2 in the range of 800 MHz up to

6 GHz (using Gigahertz Solutions meters). Nothing. Just for the hell

of it, I tried an AM radio close by - I can't say I got any more noise

than I probably would find anywhere else.



On the property itself, I think I was able to hear a few blips between

800 MHz and 2.5 GHz, maybe 0.1 to 0.3 mw/m2, once in a while.



So - descriptions aside, what I've gathered so far from those of you who've

responded is that:



-The radiation is probably minimal



-But, I don't want to be in the beam of the dishes



-"Scatter" from the dishes may or may not be present, but ideally one

doesn't want to be within 100 meters of the tower to avoid such scatter



-The RF from the dishes may be at 10 GHz or above



So I guess the questions which remain are:



-Which would be worse to have pointed in the direction of the property

- the dish with a smooth, concave surface, or the one with the concave

surface, that has a little horizontal antenna in the center?



-What about that little, convex dish close to the top? What could that

be - and would it be a concern if I could see that from the property?



-And the little antennas, sticking out of the tall rod, on top of the tower?



-So, if I can measure virtually no RF (and if I go to the property in

daylight with binoculars and can't see the dishes from the property

(ie, they're obscured by a hill or something), and I don't feel bad

there (so far I've only spent about 4 or so hours there, in the house),

should it be a safe bet?



I'm sorry if some of these questions are a bit repetitive; I just

really would like to have a good idea of if it's worth the time of

packing everything up and investing living elsewhere for 5 or 6 months.



Thank you all so much!



R.



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Puk replies - The dishes may be herzian repeaters parabolic dishes ? they
send out pencil beam point to point HF microwave beams they will likely be
line on site to another tower and will not hit the property you are in, but
I suspect there will be strafe ie lobe scatter from the beam which might
affect you ? The tetra antenna are quite distinguisable see TETRAWATCH site.


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