Recommended electrical appliances

I don't suppose the support group as compiled a list of recommended electrical appliances for those coping with ES? TVs, computers, etc..

I know this may be a difficult due to everyone being so different....

Yeah, I'd love to be able to find a TV or DVD/CD player. Starting to wonder if there are any usable ones out there.

John L.


--- In [hidden email], "bioboi69" <troy.heron@...> wrote:
>
> I don't suppose the support group as compiled a list of recommended electrical appliances for those coping with ES? TVs, computers, etc..
>
> I know this may be a difficult due to everyone being so different....
>

> Yeah, I'd love to be able to find a TV or DVD/CD player.
> Starting to wonder if there are any usable ones out there.

It all depends on how sensitive you are... I used to not
be able to tolerate our old 32" Sony CRT TV, but I
tolerate our 37" Panasonic LCD HDTV
(when fed a 1080i signal, not 1080p, and with the
florescent backlight set pretty low).

I never noticed any problems with any CD or DVD
player, even when I was at my worst.

Blu-ray players have been another story, though.  
Even after having "mostly recovered", I had to go through
about 6 Blu-ray players to find one that was okay
(just barely).

Marc

One thing that will help is replacing unshielded cords w

shielded.

Kathy







 










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> One thing that will help is replacing unshielded cords w shielded.

Maybe in some cases.  I've had good luck with shielded monitor
cables (VGA), but the power cables and ethernet cables that
I've tried that featured extra shielding actually made my
symptoms worse.

Marc

That is the reason why I am against shielded cables.

The dirty frequencies cannot get out, and are reflected against the shielding, and as a result, at the power outlet, these frequencies are free, and make *dirty air*.

A friend measured a keyboard with shielded cable against a mouse with unshielded cable.
At the keyboard it came free, but at the mouse it was dissipated underway.

I am also against demand switches, except the radiocontrolled ones (ISM433), because they make a lot of *dirty air*.

Cables from cable-televison etc. do also emit a lot of *dirty air*.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by MSE


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  From: Marc Martin
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  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 7:04 PM
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  > One thing that will help is replacing unshielded cords w shielded.

  Maybe in some cases.  I've had good luck with shielded monitor
  cables (VGA), but the power cables and ethernet cables that
  I've tried that featured extra shielding actually made my
  symptoms worse.

  Marc


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I'm sorry, I didn't know that.

I  wrapped electrical tape around a lamp to cut dirty electric down. Shielded coaxial cables helped the cable TV situation.

Don't we need a  power surge protectors to plug computer equipment in with?

Do you think a Steizerizer  surge protector puts out more than a lesser type?


Kathy


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      That is the reason why I am against shielded cables.



The dirty frequencies cannot get out, and are reflected against the shielding, and as a result, at the power outlet, these frequencies are free, and make *dirty air*.



A friend measured a keyboard with shielded cable against a mouse with unshielded cable.

At the keyboard it came free, but at the mouse it was dissipated underway.



I am also against demand switches, except the radiocontrolled ones (ISM433), because they make a lot of *dirty air*.



Cables from cable-televison etc. do also emit a lot of *dirty air*.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by MSE






 










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> I  wrapped electrical tape around a lamp to cut dirty electric down.

Did it help?  Or did you do this just because you thought it might be
a good idea?  Sounds like it might possibly make things worse.

> Shielded coaxial cables helped the cable TV situation.

Cable TV coax cables are always shielded, aren't they?  In my
case, putting a signal attenuator outside the house helped
the situation inside the house, and also checking that
the cable is grounded (with a grounding rod) outside is a
good idea.

> Don't we need a  power surge protectors to plug computer
> equipment in with?

Sure, if you're concerned about power surges.  These don't
necessarily help with ES though, and I've found that a lot of
surge protector power strips make my symptoms worse
(due to imperfect EMR filtering).  Some models are good, though.

> Do you think a Stetzerizer surge protector puts out more
> than a lesser type?

Puts out more what?  (haven't tried the Stetzerizer power
strip, although the Stetzerizer plug-in models improve
some things while make other things worse)

Marc

So, many w ES don't use surge protectors? What about lightening? Maybe the grounding rod protects more.

Wrapping the lamp cord helped me feel less from it.

 The shielded coaxial cable helped bring down RF it gave off. Causes stinging b/c of sensitive nerves.

The grounding issue, I feel bad about. We're working on our budget to get a  grounding rod put in.

Kathy
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      > I  wrapped electrical tape around a lamp to cut dirty electric down.



Did it help?  Or did you do this just because you thought it might be

a good idea?  Sounds like it might possibly make things worse.



> Shielded coaxial cables helped the cable TV situation.



Cable TV coax cables are always shielded, aren't they?  In my

case, putting a signal attenuator outside the house helped

the situation inside the house, and also checking that

the cable is grounded (with a grounding rod) outside is a

good idea.



> Don't we need a  power surge protectors to plug computer

> equipment in with?



Sure, if you're concerned about power surges.  These don't

necessarily help with ES though, and I've found that a lot of

surge protector power strips make my symptoms worse

(due to imperfect EMR filtering).  Some models are good, though.



> Do you think a Stetzerizer surge protector puts out more

> than a lesser type?



Puts out more what?  (haven't tried the Stetzerizer power

strip, although the Stetzerizer plug-in models improve

some things while make other things worse)



Marc



   
     

   
   






 










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Marc,

 You recommend putting signal attenuator outside the house for

 cable tv only, or are there some for other things?
 
 On a grounding rod or something else?

Kathy




 












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> So, many w ES don't use surge protectors? What about lightening?

I'm using surge protectors of my computers, TVs, etc.  It's just
that you have to be picky about the surge protectors you use,
otherwise these may make your EMF symptoms worse.

Some of the power strips I've got around the house are
from Quantum Products, Brickwall, and Furman.  And
some of these are pretty expensive - the Brickwall was
more than US$200, but this is also the only one that I think is
pretty much guaranteed to survive a lightning strike.  With the
others, it's mostly marketing and insurance policies, not real
protection from lightning.

> The grounding issue, I feel bad about. We're working on our
> budget to get a  grounding rod put in.

In our house, we had a grounding rod, and the cable TV
coax came into the house nearby.  However, the coax
was not connected to the grounding rod, which ended
up causing "hum" on our speakers and rolling bars
on our TV set.  Connecting the cable coax to the grounding
rod eliminated that.

Marc

>  You recommend putting signal attenuator outside the house for
>  cable tv only, or are there some for other things?

I put a signal attenuator (outside) on the incoming cable TV coax
cable in order to reduce the signal strength in the coax cables
inside my house.

The cable TV company assumes that you will be connecting
up to 6 items to your cable coax, so they send a strong
enough signal for all 6 of those items.  We only have 1
thing connected to our cable (one television), so we don't
need all that signal strength.  So I experimented with
different attenuators until I had sufficient signal strength
for that one TV, but no more.

This did help my symptoms.

Marc

Marc,

Well thanks, sorry I didn't know about this. 

Maybe if we all did this we wouldn't react

to TV as much.


We need to try this.

Kat





From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
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      >  You recommend putting signal attenuator outside the house for

>  cable tv only, or are there some for other things?



I put a signal attenuator (outside) on the incoming cable TV coax

cable in order to reduce the signal strength in the coax cables

inside my house.



The cable TV company assumes that you will be connecting

up to 6 items to your cable coax, so they send a strong

enough signal for all 6 of those items.  We only have 1

thing connected to our cable (one television), so we don't

need all that signal strength.  So I experimented with

different attenuators until I had sufficient signal strength

for that one TV, but no more.



This did help my symptoms.



Marc



   
     

   
   






 










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Kathy,
Steizerizer are quite dangerous if the wiring is NOT grounded properly.
They work quite well IF the wiring is properly wired. They are a disaster
if the wiring ISN"T wired correctly and safely.
If memory serves me right, you have some outlets/switches that
may be energized. This would mean the wiring is not done right.
Lizzie
 



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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:59:18 -0800
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I'm sorry, I didn't know that.

I  wrapped electrical tape around a lamp to cut dirty electric down. Shielded coaxial cables helped the cable TV situation.

Don't we need a  power surge protectors to plug computer equipment in with?

Do you think a Steizerizer  surge protector puts out more than a lesser type?

Kathy

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Re: [eSens] Re: Recommended electrical appliances

 

That is the reason why I am against shielded cables.

The dirty frequencies cannot get out, and are reflected against the shielding, and as a result, at the power outlet, these frequencies are free, and make *dirty air*.

A friend measured a keyboard with shielded cable against a mouse with unshielded cable.

At the keyboard it came free, but at the mouse it was dissipated underway.

I am also against demand switches, except the radiocontrolled ones (ISM433), because they make a lot of *dirty air*.

Cables from cable-televison etc. do also emit a lot of *dirty air*.

Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by MSE

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I have to agree with Marc on the surge protectors.
I went thru several to find one that DIDN"T make things worse, Es wise.
Again, the Steizer filters are designed for properly wired houses.
It even states this in the instructions. I caution ANYONE who is thinking
of using these filters to MAKE sure their house wiring, ALL OF IT,
is wired properly BEFORE using the Steizer GRaham filters.
Lizzie
 



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:09:05 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Recommended electrical appliances


 



> I  wrapped electrical tape around a lamp to cut dirty electric down.

Did it help? Or did you do this just because you thought it might be
a good idea? Sounds like it might possibly make things worse.

> Shielded coaxial cables helped the cable TV situation.

Cable TV coax cables are always shielded, aren't they? In my
case, putting a signal attenuator outside the house helped
the situation inside the house, and also checking that
the cable is grounded (with a grounding rod) outside is a
good idea.

> Don't we need a  power surge protectors to plug computer
> equipment in with?

Sure, if you're concerned about power surges. These don't
necessarily help with ES though, and I've found that a lot of
surge protector power strips make my symptoms worse
(due to imperfect EMR filtering). Some models are good, though.

> Do you think a Stetzerizer surge protector puts out more
> than a lesser type?

Puts out more what? (haven't tried the Stetzerizer power
strip, although the Stetzerizer plug-in models improve
some things while make other things worse)

Marc



     

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Are there many LCD/LED monitors on the market without the power supply embedded in the back of the screen? ie. Using a power brick instead?

--- In [hidden email], "bioboi69" <troy.heron@...> wrote:
>
> I don't suppose the support group as compiled a list of recommended electrical appliances for those coping with ES? TVs, computers, etc..
>
> I know this may be a difficult due to everyone being so different....
>

KathyB wrote:
> So, many w ES don't use surge protectors?
Just need to find the right surge protector. I favor Tripp Lite, the
ones with heavy duty RF filtering, and Kensington K62147 and K62151
(rainbow ring colors) 6-outlet protectors.


> Wrapping the lamp cord helped me feel less from it.
>  
That definitely reduces the electric field.

Is it the kind of lamp that hangs from the ceiling on lots of metal oval
rings? I have found those metal loops to amplify the electric field of
the unshielded power cord threaded down the loops.

Stewart