Re: sleep & EMF

Jon wrote:
"Symptoms often seem to show up as I drift towards
> a sleep state, like I could be feeling fine but as soon as I get
> close to falling asleep symptoms pop up that sometimes prevent
> sleep. Anyone else have this sort of experience?"

Shivani responds:
You betcha. Befdore we got educated, we used to have a big electric
baseboard behind the head of our bed. (Never used it, but that doesn't
matter. It broadcast some very nasty RF.) I could go to bed feeling very
sleepy, but after a bit I'd begin to feel very unsleepy. Sometimes I'd even fall
asleep, only to suddenly realize after about 20 minutes that I was wide awake
for no apparent reason. I remember sometimes telling my husband "I feel as
if there is electricity running on my legs," and he'd laugh.
It was at that time of night that I first noticed cardiac irregularity.
At first it only was noticeable when I was in that bed.
What really took me down was getting a severe case of flu that kept me
in bed for days. The longer I was there the worse I got. I got so weak
that I didn't have the energy to talk in complete sentences. My husband would
come to check on me and I'd just say "Water!"
It turned out that, though our whole house had dirty electricity, the
bed area took the cake by far. Pulling the wires that served that baseboard
didn't help, either. It still picked up current from other circuits. We had
to gut it - pull out the heat-broadcasting fins, which were also a great
RF-broadcasting device.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com



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You might try taking a couple of herbs. I take hawthorne berry and cayene right before I go to bed. They are good for the heart. I've experienced that before when you are falling asleep you might get some rapid heart beat and then wake back up. The way I've built my sleeping area I have lots of shielding covered by ceramic tile. The ceramic tile is really good. I have it at the head of the bed but also at the feet of the bed to insulate the shielding so my body doesn't pull in any electricity. You put the clay side toward the shielding. I have heard that clay baths can pull out radiation from the body. Maybe the clay in the tiles absorbs the radiation off the shielding. I don't know. But it seems to really improve the effect of the shielding. I use it also because the ceramic insulates, hopefully. I put the ceramic tile towards the foot of the bed to try to stop that electric feeling going up the leg. It seems to have worked.


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Shivani responds:
You betcha. Befdore we got educated, we used to have a big electric
baseboard behind the head of our bed. (Never used it, but that doesn't
matter. It broadcast some very nasty RF.) I could go to bed feeling very
sleepy, but after a bit I'd begin to feel very unsleepy. Sometimes I'd even fall
asleep, only to suddenly realize after about 20 minutes that I was wide awake
for no apparent reason. I remember sometimes telling my husband "I feel as
if there is electricity running on my legs," and he'd laugh.
It was at that time of night that I first noticed cardiac irregularity.


Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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Hi All,

Thanks for that info Shivani.....I have the same problem and always wondered
what it might be. Has anyone else thought of replacing their bed with metal
springs. I'm about to do that in the next few months. I'm going
completely metal free with the bed. Wood frame and an organic mattress.
Any other thoughts or experiences with this?

Plus, isn't is great that spring is finally here...at last we can leave the
lights off longer while working in the kitchen etc.

Thanks,

Donna

I have been sleeping on an organic latex foam mattress for about 2
years now and when I stay at the inlaw's house and sleep on their
regular spring mattress, I can feel the energetic difference
immediately.
andrew

On Apr 6, 2008, at 10:32 AM, DD wrote:

Metal might actually be good if you have any live electric wires below.

I have a conductive sheet on my foam bed.

There are potentially resonance effects near metal, but I would think
that as soon as you put your body there the resonance would die out.

I'm considering looking for a thick piece of aluminum to sleep on, as
that would lower the magnetic field (in the vertical direction, which is
the main issue at my house). But I think it's better to just move to
a house with lower magnetic field.

Bill

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I am sorry to disagree with you.

First of all, magnetic fields cannot be shielded by aluminium.

Metal on beds are bad also, because they become static magnetic.

A conductive sheet on your foam bed allows coupling with electrical fields,
so that should be avoided also.

So, no metal whatsoever on beds.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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Thick aluminum is used in shielded rooms for MEG imaging.
It has to be on the order of about 1cm thick, or thicker. It only blocks
the perpendicular field, unlike most magnetic alloys, which block
the parallel field. And it only works for AC (while magnetic alloys
also attempt to block the DC field, which limits their performance).
It works because the changing field induces an "eddy current" that
creates a field in the opposite direction. This is described in Ed Leeper's
book, and elsewhere. It works better at higher frequencies. Copper
can also work, and a lot of old TVs had a copper strip around the
transformer that works on the same principle, so the magnetic field
would not distort the picture.

My conductive sheet uses carbon, and maybe if it were too conductive
it could be a problem. But at low frequencies, it shorts out the field
that is parallel to the bed (and to my spine). For the perpendicular field
one would have to ground it, which I have not done.

Bill

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


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I did that - wooden frame and a memory foam mattress - but to my
disappointment still have ES in bed even with everything except the
fridge freezer switched off - there was a reduction of ES but I still
feel a sensation of current - good luck

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From: DD
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Subject: [eSens] Re: sleep & EMF
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:32:13 -0400

Hi All,

Thanks for that info Shivani.....I have the same problem and always
wondered
what it might be. Has anyone else thought of replacing their bed with
metal
springs. I'm about to do that in the next few months. I'm going
completely metal free with the bed. Wood frame and an organic
mattress.
Any other thoughts or experiences with this?

Plus, isn't is great that spring is finally here...at last we can
leave the
lights off longer while working in the kitchen etc.

Thanks,

Donna



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Same here

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From: "Andrew McAfee"
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: sleep & EMF
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:54:01 -0400

I have been sleeping on an organic latex foam mattress for about 2
years now and when I stay at the inlaw's house and sleep on their
regular spring mattress, I can feel the energetic difference
immediately.
andrew

On Apr 6, 2008, at 10:32 AM, DD wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Thanks for that info Shivani.....I have the same problem and always
> wondered
> what it might be. Has anyone else thought of replacing their bed
with


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In a message dated 4/11/2008 4:50:38 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I did that - wooden frame and a memory foam mattress - but to my
disappointment still have ES in bed even with everything except the
fridge freezer switched off - there was a reduction of ES but I still
feel a sensation of current - good luck




Could this be coming from outside, phonemast,tv mast,satellites, planes,
neighbours and so on... have you tried changing your orientation ?

p uk






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I reckon it prob is coming from outside - am thinking of trying Graham
stetzer filters but don't know where to get these in the UK which would
work in a UK domestic setting - have you any idea?

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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:54:01 EDT


In a message dated 4/11/2008 4:50:38 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I did that - wooden frame and a memory foam mattress - but to my
disappointment still have ES in bed even with everything except the
fridge freezer switched off - there was a reduction of ES but I still
feel a sensation of current - good luck

Could this be coming from outside, phonemast,tv mast,satellites,
planes,
neighbours and so on... have you tried changing your orientation ?

p uk

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In a message dated 4/11/2008 8:51:33 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I reckon it prob is coming from outside - am thinking of trying Graham
stetzer filters but don't know where to get these in the UK which would
work in a UK domestic setting - have you any idea?



Try Glynn at wirelessfacts.co.uk he is importing some

Paul uk






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Hi Lesley,

You say "everything except the fridge freezer switched off" but do you
actually have the house power switched off apart from the circuit with the
fridge freezer on? Or is it just all the appliances switched off?

Power lines (240 V) run up and down walls in the house and create electric
and magnetic fields even when not drawing current from the mains. Sue can
feel the difference when we switch the power off, and we now turn the house
power off at night and she sleeps much better. It does disrupt lifestyle,
but we've been able to make it work.

When we moved house and had a garage conversion to a study we took advantage
of this to get a new electrical switch box put in with separate circuits for
my study and a storeroom. Now we can turn off the power to the main house
at night and I can still work in my study or we can run a fridge-freezer in
the storeroom. This certainly helps, but even then it is best with all the
power switched off. Brian Stein did it the opposite way; he constructed a
new electrically isolated and shielded room with no electrics in the walls,
and he turns off the local circuit and sleeps in that at night. Not an
option open to most people though!

I suggest you try switching the house main power off at night and see if
that helps. If not, then the source is probably external. If you have a
semi-detached or terraced house, or a flat, it may also be other people's
power in shared walls, but you can try sleeping in a room away from them.

If it's an external source then I can't see how Graham Stetzer filters would
help, as they work on the electricity in your own house.

One curious possibility apart from the usual external culprits - mobile
phone masts, wireless, cordless phones, etc. Do you feel any effect near
your local street lights? Do they give a deep yellow-orange light or a
brighter whitish-orange light? When they switched our local street lighting
from the yellow (low pressure sodium) to the whiter (high pressure sodium)
type, Sue's ES got markedly worse. We persuaded the local council engineers
(who were remarkably co-operative) to switch off the light outside our house
and things got better. They then restored a yellow LP sodium light outside
and Sue was still OK. It was always a big puzzle as we had opaque blackout
curtains up, so we couldn't see the light, but something in the particular
frequencies radiated from it evidently affected Sue. This seems very rare
though - we have not heard of anyone else with this reaction, even people
with severe ES, so it may be a complete red herring.

Best wishes, Ian

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Lesley Rooney
Sent: 11 April 2008 16:59
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: sleep & EMF



I reckon it prob is coming from outside - am thinking of trying Graham
stetzer filters but don't know where to get these in the UK which would
work in a UK domestic setting - have you any idea?

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To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: sleep & EMF
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:54:01 EDT

In a message dated 4/11/2008 4:50:38 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
lesleyrooney@ <mailto:lesleyrooney%40europe.com> europe.com writes:

I did that - wooden frame and a memory foam mattress - but to my
disappointment still have ES in bed even with everything except the
fridge freezer switched off - there was a reduction of ES but I still
feel a sensation of current - good luck

Could this be coming from outside, phonemast,tv mast,satellites,
planes,
neighbours and so on... have you tried changing your orientation ?

p uk

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Have you also tried switching the actual circuits off at the fusebox,
because even when there's nothing switched on, there's still electricity
"flowing" round the circuit. If this helps, you may want to consider a
demand switch which does this automatically (switches the flow off if
there's no demand on the power).
 
It can help some people :)
 
We looked at Stetzer filters, but you can't use them in the UK with their
current fitting - and unfortunately when we enquired about having them made
with UK fittings, we were told we'd need to invest c. £100,000 to do it.
Clearly not something we can do!
 
 
Sarah

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Lesley Rooney
Sent: 11 April 2008 16:59
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: sleep & EMF



I reckon it prob is coming from outside - am thinking of trying Graham
stetzer filters but don't know where to get these in the UK which would
work in a UK domestic setting - have you any idea?

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: sleep & EMF
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:54:01 EDT

In a message dated 4/11/2008 4:50:38 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
lesleyrooney@ <mailto:lesleyrooney%40europe.com> europe.com writes:

I did that - wooden frame and a memory foam mattress - but to my
disappointment still have ES in bed even with everything except the
fridge freezer switched off - there was a reduction of ES but I still
feel a sensation of current - good luck

Could this be coming from outside, phonemast,tv mast,satellites,
planes,
neighbours and so on... have you tried changing your orientation ?

p uk

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