Re: refridgerators

I've hard that the icemakers in refrigerators create dirty electricity.
Our frig doesn't have an icemaker, and neither does it produce dirty
electricity. Yours may not, either. You can check that by checking, with a
Stetzerizer meter, the current in the outlet the frig is plugged into. See if the
reading goes up when the frig is running, or not.

Regarding the suggestion of turning off just ther circuit to the bedroom at
night, that may not be enough. Your bed may pick up current from the wiring
in the ceiling of the room beneath your bedrooom, etcetera.

You'll need to think about it and turn off at night all circuits that can
affect your bedroom. Since dirty electricity can jump from a hot circuit to
things like water pipes, ductwork, hot water system radiators, and even the
metal casing of electrical conduits that are off or no longer contain wires, it
would be helpful to check with an appropriate meter. One that can identify
electrical fields of the higher frequencies that are associated with ES
symptoms. A simple Gauss meter cannot do this, so lack of a reading on one does
not mean the area is clear of harmful frequencies.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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What does that mean, dirty electricity. I am wondering why the electrical in my house is soooo toxic to me but I went to a friends home & I didn't react there. Most homes I do but this one I did not. Can some explain that to me.
 
The house I am staying in in Rio Rico is moldy but the electric is ok for me there. An old fridge. Has a propane stove. I don't get why that house is ok electrically also.
 
Loni

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: refridgerators
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 7:13 PM






I've hard that the icemakers in refrigerators create dirty electricity.
Our frig doesn't have an icemaker, and neither does it produce dirty
electricity. Yours may not, either. You can check that by checking, with a
Stetzerizer meter, the current in the outlet the frig is plugged into. See if the
reading goes up when the frig is running, or not.

Regarding the suggestion of turning off just ther circuit to the bedroom at
night, that may not be enough. Your bed may pick up current from the wiring
in the ceiling of the room beneath your bedrooom, etcetera.

You'll need to think about it and turn off at night all circuits that can
affect your bedroom. Since dirty electricity can jump from a hot circuit to
things like water pipes, ductwork, hot water system radiators, and even the
metal casing of electrical conduits that are off or no longer contain wires, it
would be helpful to check with an appropriate meter. One that can identify
electrical fields of the higher frequencies that are associated with ES
symptoms. A simple Gauss meter cannot do this, so lack of a reading on one does
not mean the area is clear of harmful frequencies.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies. com

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Hi again, Loni,
 
My building biologist told me of a great product I might be able to use to eradicate mold!  It is called "Ductworx" by the company EcoQuest.  It is a type of peroxide generator.  There is a table top model and another model you attach to your furnace.  I react slightly to the ductwork in thehouse we bought, but do not know what I am reacting to (could be gluten oran odorless microbe, etc).  So he suggested letting me borrow his table top unit for a month to see what happens.  (If it clears up, we'll know it was a microbe of some sort.  If not, the ductwork is coming out!)  You might ask your building biologist whether he knows about this product andtell him my biologist was *loaning* me one to try and see if he would do the same.  It will kill whatever is in your Rio Rico house in a month's time (tho the mold might return in time).  It cleans microbes on both the ductwork and surfaces in your house.  You might or might not react to this
unit also.  I am going to test it out in our garage first to see if I react.
 
My best to you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: refridgerators & More
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 11:27 PM






What does that mean, dirty electricity. I am wondering why the electrical in my house is soooo toxic to me but I went to a friends home & I didn't react there. Most homes I do but this one I did not. Can some explain that to me.
 
The house I am staying in in Rio Rico is moldy but the electric is ok for me there. An old fridge. Has a propane stove. I don't get why that house is ok electrically also.
 
Loni

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com> wrote:

From: SArjuna@aol. com <SArjuna@aol. com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: refridgerators
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 7:13 PM

I've hard that the icemakers in refrigerators create dirty electricity.
Our frig doesn't have an icemaker, and neither does it produce dirty
electricity. Yours may not, either. You can check that by checking, with a
Stetzerizer meter, the current in the outlet the frig is plugged into. See if the
reading goes up when the frig is running, or not.

Regarding the suggestion of turning off just ther circuit to the bedroom at
night, that may not be enough. Your bed may pick up current from the wiring
in the ceiling of the room beneath your bedrooom, etcetera.

You'll need to think about it and turn off at night all circuits that can
affect your bedroom. Since dirty electricity can jump from a hot circuit to
things like water pipes, ductwork, hot water system radiators, and even the
metal casing of electrical conduits that are off or no longer contain wires, it
would be helpful to check with an appropriate meter. One that can identify
electrical fields of the higher frequencies that are associated with ES
symptoms. A simple Gauss meter cannot do this, so lack of a reading on one does
not mean the area is clear of harmful frequencies.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies. com

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> What does that mean, dirty electricity.

"Clean electricity" is simply the pure 50hz/60hz signal
that appliances, etc. need to work. However, this clean
signal can become "dirty" when noise is added to it. This
noise comes from motors, radio waves, dimmer switches,
computers, florescent lights, etc. To some extent,
this dirty electricity can be cleaned up using power
filters.

Marc

So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my electricity?  Loni

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 7:18 AM






> What does that mean, dirty electricity.

"Clean electricity" is simply the pure 50hz/60hz signal
that appliances, etc. need to work. However, this clean
signal can become "dirty" when noise is added to it. This
noise comes from motors, radio waves, dimmer switches,
computers, florescent lights, etc. To some extent,
this dirty electricity can be cleaned up using power
filters.

Marc
 














     

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> So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than
> another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my
> electricity?

Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be "riding"
on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a
problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in
the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside.

Marc

Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:22 AM






> So all these reasons could be why my house is more intolerable than
> another. Like the cell radiation is high so that could be affecting my
> electricity?

Yes, certainly frequencies from the cell towers could be "riding"
on top of your electrical power lines. One way to see if this is a
problem for you is to go to your fusebox, shut off all the power in
the house, and then wait and see if your symptoms subside.

Marc
 














     

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> Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni

Do you mean that you have appliances turned off, or the
power is turned off at the fusebox?

I assume you've had your outlets checked, to make sure
they are wired properly?

I assume you've tried unplugging things one-by-one, to
see if it's simply one piece of electrical equipment
in your house that is dirtying the rest of the house?
(note that it could also be any compact flourescent
lights, any dimmer switches, anything with a motor in
it... even certain power strips can cause agitation).

I know you've tried the Quantum Home, which did not help
but can relieve some symptoms of bad electricity in the
house.

Have you tried the Stetzerizer filters, which can help
with some types of dirty electricity?

Marc

I turned almost everything off at the fuse box. Even the fridge because it is a big problem for me. I have the dryer on & the electric in the den so Ican be on this computer now.
That's pretty much it. I am in a room that is furthest away from the rooms with the highest RF readings.
 
Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about 2 or 3pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life reallyis sucky for me. Loni
 


--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 10:51 AM






> Oh most everything is off now & it is much better. Loni

Do you mean that you have appliances turned off, or the
power is turned off at the fusebox?

I assume you've had your outlets checked, to make sure
they are wired properly?

I assume you've tried unplugging things one-by-one, to
see if it's simply one piece of electrical equipment
in your house that is dirtying the rest of the house?
(note that it could also be any compact flourescent
lights, any dimmer switches, anything with a motor in
it... even certain power strips can cause agitation).

I know you've tried the Quantum Home, which did not help
but can relieve some symptoms of bad electricity in the
house.

Have you tried the Stetzerizer filters, which can help
with some types of dirty electricity?

Marc

 














     

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> Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about 2 or
> 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life
> really is sucky for me. Loni

So it sounds to me like you might be able to make the house tolerable by
"cleaning up" the noise in the electricity running through your house.
Either with power filtering power strips plugged into the most offensive
appliances (fridge, etc.), or with standalone plug-in Stetzerizer filters.

BTW, did you ever receive the Bio-Protect card I sent you, Loni? If
it didn't work by having it on your person, I suppose you could try
taping it to your fusebox....

Marc

Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal with.
 
Yes I did get the card, thank you. Loni

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:17 AM






> Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about 2 or
> 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life
> really is sucky for me. Loni

So it sounds to me like you might be able to make the house tolerable by
"cleaning up" the noise in the electricity running through your house.
Either with power filtering power strips plugged into the most offensive
appliances (fridge, etc.), or with standalone plug-in Stetzerizer filters.

BTW, did you ever receive the Bio-Protect card I sent you, Loni? If
it didn't work by having it on your person, I suppose you could try
taping it to your fusebox....

Marc
 














     

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> Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal with.

Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power
turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to
tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on.
That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building
a whole new structure on the property.

The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places.
These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near
the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places
which sell the filters at $30 each:

http://lessemf.com/suppress.html
http://www.lifeenergies.com/products/products.htm#hardware
http://www.dirtyelectricity.ca/graham-stetzer_filters.htm

Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although
personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters
make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with
the linear filtering technology. Plugging
your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it
generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house.
The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the
Furman PST-8:

http://www.aiconsol.com/pst-8-furman.html

Marc

I agree with Marc's advice overall.

But technically, if you have RF on a power line caused by a
transmitter, a lot of it will be common mode (hot and neutral wires in
phase), and the GS filter is of no use.
Even the Furman does not give specs for common mode filtering,
which may mean it does nothing. Cell phone frequencies don't go very far on
wires so those are probably not an issue with dirty power.
I think AM radio signals can be an issue, probably TV too if you're near a
transmitter.
But a common problem is sparking or micro-arcing on the power lines
themselves,
which cause noise from about 1 MHz to nearly 1 GHz.

Hold a radio near a power cord with *all* your breakers off. If there's
still
a buzz it's definitely dirty power coming from outside. It could be the
neighbors
or the power company's fault. Sometimes the power company can tighten
connectors, remove debris, replace bad connectors, and the problem is
solved.

Bill



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Oh, and I see that Furman power strip is $10 cheaper here:

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FUPST8

Audio/Video stores are also obsessed with power line
noise, but for different reasons than we are... :-)

Marc

Ahhh, getting too complicated for my chemically injurred brain. Loni

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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 12:25 PM






I agree with Marc's advice overall.

But technically, if you have RF on a power line caused by a
transmitter, a lot of it will be common mode (hot and neutral wires in
phase), and the GS filter is of no use.
Even the Furman does not give specs for common mode filtering,
which may mean it does nothing. Cell phone frequencies don't go very far on
wires so those are probably not an issue with dirty power.
I think AM radio signals can be an issue, probably TV too if you're near a
transmitter.
But a common problem is sparking or micro-arcing on the power lines
themselves,
which cause noise from about 1 MHz to nearly 1 GHz.

Hold a radio near a power cord with *all* your breakers off. If there's
still
a buzz it's definitely dirty power coming from outside. It could be the
neighbors
or the power company's fault. Sometimes the power company can tighten
connectors, remove debris, replace bad connectors, and the problem is
solved.

Bill

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> Ahhh, getting too complicated for my chemically injurred brain. Loni

Heh, heh.. yes, I'm not too clear on what "common mode" noise is
either... I just try things, and see if they help. :-)

I guess if one needs common mode noise rejection, then you could
get something like the $20 TDK ANF-106U Plug-in RFI Filters sold
on this site:

http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/acfilters.html

Although these can only handle 6 amps, so I don't think you could
use these with a fridge, which probably requires more amperage.

Marc

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Ironically I think this is my problem. I removed an internet satellite
receiver/transmitter from my roof which reduced my rf readings by 50%
but they were still high. I just received 3 Stetzer filters as an
experiment but still not sleeping well. I know you need more but I
just can't drop $600 at once. My Zapchecker still goes crazy in places
it shouldn't. Like in an interior wall. I think it's measuring rf
frequencies over power lines.... sigh.  

Thanks, Alan

Hello Alan,

if you go around with a thermometer, you just as well get strange readings.

The Stetzer filters do work in quite another frequency range as your Zap
checker works.
And their influence you certainly cannot measure with a Zap Checker.

With elektrosmog, it is AND, AND and AND.
Everything together.

And high frequencies can ride along on other frequencies.
As you can read in *het bitje*, two Italians did measure higher frequencies
at powerlines.

I measured on my computer monitor, which is qua VLF frequencies excellent,
but I found peaks about 4.5 MHz.

So the whole spectrum, from 0 Hz up to 7 GHz must be measured, in order to
know what is going on.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "abailey63" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:53 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: dirty electricity

Loni,
It seems I'm probably 2 weeks ahead of you but having similar
problems. Maybe our experiences can help each other. I think I'm
having similar house problems to you. I can't sleep feel edgy all the
time.

I tried plugging my quantum home into the outlet coming directly off
the fuse box. There is usually one. This helped a little. I just got 3
stetzer filters and plugged them into my outlets in my bedroom only.
This helped a little more. This is less than you need but you usually
need 20 which costs $600.

I am picking up 2 furman emi/rfi surge protectors today. But these are
cheaper they don't have the "linear" filtering. I'm going to plug
these into some equipment that I think is problematic. I also ordered
a 3 pack of tachyon disks. No idea about these but I figured I'd give
it a shot. I'm going to tape these to the fuse box.

I'm using what I call the buckshot approach right now to see if
anything alleviates my symptoms. I'm not sleeping well at all and that
is just killing me. I also have MCS and have recovered a lot. Just
moved to this house to avoid toxic chemicals and the house passed my
basic emf checks but I think there are wiring problems. Electricity is
screwy here. I will try shutting off all the circuit breakers to see
what happens.

So I have much more to do. I'll keep you posted with my findings with
the understanding that everyone's reaction to this stuff is different.

Thanks, Alan


--- In [hidden email], Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:
>
> I turned almost everything off at the fuse box. Even the fridge
because it is a big problem for me. I have the dryer on & the electric
in the den so I can be on this computer now.
> That's pretty much it. I am in a room that is furthest away from the
rooms with the highest RF readings.
>  
> Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about
2 or 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies.
Life really is sucky for me. Loni

I can only tolerate it for so long. My skin starts to burn, it just builds up. I guess i could try the filters however. Loni

--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:46 AM






> Where would I get this power filters? I still have the RF to deal with.

Yes, but if you can tolerate a room in the back with all the power
turned off, then I would think that you might also be able to
tolerate that room with some power filtering and the power on.
That would seem to be preferable (and cheaper!) than building
a whole new structure on the property.

The Stetzerizer plug-in filters can be bought from many places.
These would be plugged into outlets near the fusebox, or near
the nastiest appliances (fridge, etc.). Here are a few places
which sell the filters at $30 each:

http://lessemf. com/suppress. html
http://www.lifeener gies.com/ products/ products. htm#hardware
http://www.dirtyele ctricity. ca/graham- stetzer_filters. htm

Filtering power strips are more of a generic thing, although
personally I find that many cheap power strips with EMI filters
make me worse. One good brand is Furman -- the ones with
the linear filtering technology. Plugging
your fridge into this would keep a lot of the noise it
generates from dirtying the power elsewhere in the house.
The cheapest strip with the linear filtering is the
Furman PST-8:

http://www.aiconsol .com/pst- 8-furman. html

Marc
 














     

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