Re: refridgerators

I'm seeing one on ebay for $98. But of course with ebay ... you takes
your chances.


http://cgi.ebay.com/FURMAN-POWER-STATION-PST-8-15A-HOME-THEATER-CONDITIONER_W0QQitemZ350096191590QQihZ022QQcategoryZ67781QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Marc's advice overall.
>
> But technically, if you have RF on a power line caused by a
> transmitter, a lot of it will be common mode (hot and neutral wires in
> phase), and the GS filter is of no use.
> Even the Furman does not give specs for common mode filtering,
> which may mean it does nothing. Cell phone frequencies don't go
very far on
> wires so those are probably not an issue with dirty power.
> I think AM radio signals can be an issue, probably TV too if you're
near a

For about the same price you can get a FilterConcepts CF series filter.
These are 10 times better for differential mode, and also have impressive
performance for common mode (if the ground connection is clean--which
admittedly it probably is not).

They don't look as hi-tech: they're just a shiny metal box with information
printed on them and some soldering.

Bill

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> For about the same price you can get a FilterConcepts CF series filter.
> These are 10 times better for differential mode, and also have impressive
> performance for common mode (if the ground connection is clean--which
> admittedly it probably is not).
>
> They don't look as hi-tech: they're just a shiny metal box with
> information printed on them and some soldering.

Well, if you're just putting it behind your fridge it doesn't
need to look good... here's a cheap used one:

http://theelectrostore.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/surplus-emi-filter-concepts-cf151f-cf151-f-new.html

Marc

I guess what I mean by strange readings is the readings here have a
high variability and intensity within a very short distance sometimes
inches.

And this behavior is strange compared to about 50 other
houses/apartments that I have measured in looking for a safe place to
live. The zapchecker 185 I have supposedly goes from 3mhz to 5ghz.
Because the zapchecker is only relative I can't give hard numbers I
can only compare it to my experience with measurements in other houses.

When I use a cornet micro basic rf meter I get what I would consider
"normal" rf readings. In the -35dbm to -49dbm area. For example I'm
only finding 3 2.4ghz wireless routers in my area with relative signal
strength between 11-18%. I've never had problems before with this
level of wireless activity. The Cornet measures from 100mhz up to 3ghz.

So it's possible that the zapchecker is measuring something closer to
the 5ghz range but again I've tested this on 5ghz 802.lla networks and
the readings and signal behavior are much more consistent and linear
in quality. And a 5ghz signal has less penetrating qualities than a
2.4ghz signal. The readings I'm getting here jump all over the place.

Heck maybe the my zapchecker has gone defective. I'm actually trying
to contact the company to get it checked.

I'm not really familiar with measuring power except with a basic idiot
gaussmeter. But I'm quickly learning. I just don't have money to buy
good measuring equipment.

Of course if I could sleep I wouldn't care about any of this any way.
But I can't so... on it goes. I can sleep fine at a friends house
about 5 miles away... so.

Thanks, Alan
 


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Alan,
>
> if you go around with a thermometer, you just as well get strange
readings.
>
> The Stetzer filters do work in quite another frequency range as your
Zap
> checker works.
> And their influence you certainly cannot measure with a Zap Checker.
>
> With elektrosmog, it is AND, AND and AND.
> Everything together.
>
> And high frequencies can ride along on other frequencies.
> As you can read in *het bitje*, two Italians did measure higher
frequencies
> at powerlines.
>
> I measured on my computer monitor, which is qua VLF frequencies
excellent,
> but I found peaks about 4.5 MHz.
>
> So the whole spectrum, from 0 Hz up to 7 GHz must be measured, in
order to affecting my

And don't forget your computer process which is in the ghz range.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Alan,
>
> if you go around with a thermometer, you just as well get strange
readings.
>
> The Stetzer filters do work in quite another frequency range as your
Zap
> checker works.
> And their influence you certainly cannot measure with a Zap Checker.
>
> With elektrosmog, it is AND, AND and AND.
> Everything together.
>
> And high frequencies can ride along on other frequencies.
> As you can read in *het bitje*, two Italians did measure higher
frequencies
> at powerlines.
>
> I measured on my computer monitor, which is qua VLF frequencies
excellent,
> but I found peaks about 4.5 MHz.
>
> So the whole spectrum, from 0 Hz up to 7 GHz must be measured, in
order to affecting my

Hi Alan,
 
This is way too complicated for me. I've tried the gadgets & no help. If I stay too long in my house my skin will burn. If all the electric is on it will happen quickly. The high school with the cell anntennas & the bright stadium lights which are on now due to football game are just frying me. I wish I could blink & be in a safe house kind of like Bewitched could just twich her nose & viola! 
 
My gut starts to grumble with a reaction & I get pain too. Nervous as hell,can't relax. Has caused some nerve damage.
 
I just want to build myself a safe home in country with block & conduit. I have to win that lottery first.
 
Keep in touch. Do you have cell anntennas you are dealing with?  Loni

--- On Fri, 9/12/08, abailey63 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: abailey63 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: dirty electricity
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 2:06 PM






Loni,
It seems I'm probably 2 weeks ahead of you but having similar
problems. Maybe our experiences can help each other. I think I'm
having similar house problems to you. I can't sleep feel edgy all the
time.

I tried plugging my quantum home into the outlet coming directly off
the fuse box. There is usually one. This helped a little. I just got 3
stetzer filters and plugged them into my outlets in my bedroom only.
This helped a little more. This is less than you need but you usually
need 20 which costs $600.

I am picking up 2 furman emi/rfi surge protectors today. But these are
cheaper they don't have the "linear" filtering. I'm going to plug
these into some equipment that I think is problematic. I also ordered
a 3 pack of tachyon disks. No idea about these but I figured I'd give
it a shot. I'm going to tape these to the fuse box.

I'm using what I call the buckshot approach right now to see if
anything alleviates my symptoms. I'm not sleeping well at all and that
is just killing me. I also have MCS and have recovered a lot. Just
moved to this house to avoid toxic chemicals and the house passed my
basic emf checks but I think there are wiring problems. Electricity is
screwy here. I will try shutting off all the circuit breakers to see
what happens.

So I have much more to do. I'll keep you posted with my findings with
the understanding that everyone's reaction to this stuff is different.

Thanks, Alan

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni Rosser <loni326@... > wrote:
>
> I turned almost everything off at the fuse box. Even the fridge
because it is a big problem for me. I have the dryer on & the electric
in the den so I can be on this computer now.
> That's pretty much it. I am in a room that is furthest away from the
rooms with the highest RF readings.
>  
> Only way I can tolerate the house. When everyone comes home at about
2 or 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies.
Life really is sucky for me. Loni
 














     

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In a message dated 9/13/2008 3:22:26 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Keep in touch. Do you have cell anntennas you are dealing with? Loni



PUK replies - Remember I too am ES, if I spend too long on this I get
do-lally, evan though I sit 6feet away from the laptop and so I wear glasses, 5
minutes ago I thought where the hell are the glasses, silly me I was wearing
them !!!!! I can feel my mood being blackened as I sit here getting fried by
this random frequency generator known as a Laptop, so my body is saying get
out, go, but I will ask you this - Loni what are you doing in terms of stress
management, are you fit enough to take yourself away from the house and get on
a bike, run, swim, stay out of your property for purposeful pursuits. In
your house you are under siege, you need to fortify your mind as much as
possible perhaps more so than fortifying the electrics and making the best of a bad
job etc. Have you thought of joining an army training circuit team in your
area where most of the exercise will take place outdoors, you cant fight the
power but you can get fighting fit. Then you can get your self in a better
position to think straight, better nutrition all that stuff, it will turn a
vicious circle from one that you are turning in, into one that you can start to
put the breaks on from outside.

You get my drift -






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In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:26:24 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I think AM radio signals can be an issue, probably TV too if you're near a
transmitter.
But a common problem is sparking or micro-arcing on the power lines
themselves,
which cause noise from about 1 MHz to nearly 1 GHz.

Hold a radio near a power cord with *all* your breakers off. If there's
still
a buzz it's definitely dirty power coming from outside. It could be the
neighbors
or the power company's fault. Sometimes the power company can tighten
connectors, remove debris, replace bad connectors, and the problem is
solved.

Bill




PUK - I have found that broadband routers, plasma tv in particular large
Pioneer model over the road causes me great cellular distress which of course
cascades down to eventual psychological stress,(but at least I know this) I
have noticed that several frequencies of data streams or similar run off my
telecoms and electrics simulataneously the whole place becomes leaky
feeder/emission city until the offending units are simply switched off. My illness is
determined by something as trivial in comparison as the flick of a switch.
This is a clear breach of my human rights, and the right to the quiet enjoyment
of my property. Keep pushing the envelope everyone.

I think of a famous line - Forgive them for they know not what they are
doing.

PUK






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It is even possible that your grounding may pick up *dirty electricity*.

In this regard the book *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen is
interesting.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] dirty electricity

In a message dated 9/13/2008 10:56:05 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

It is even possible that your grounding may pick up *dirty electricity*I

In this regard the book *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen is
interesting.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.ww
www.milieuziektes.ww
www.hetbitje.ww
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PUK replies - last one as I am feeling sick.... but I built a log cabin down
the end of my garden to get away from the house as a refuge, although I
installed cables for elec and telecoms only connected when desired. But I cannot
stand the place for more than 1/2hr It creeps up on me and I feel very tireD
and agitated later. We have a nice Ham radio man 30m away from this cabin,
but he does not use his equipment until late.(although I am beginning to
understand about how these guys earth their kit etc) What we do have is a 30ft
christmas tree and 40ft conifers nearby. I wonder as the trees have
microtubules full of water for transpiration etc all over them they must in some
respects act like EMR collectors and thus transmit a lot to earth ie their root
systems, so my cabin sits over a mass of leaky EMR feeders (the roots)as well
as being quite open to the airborne direct hits from many scources around.
Choose your trees wisely, deep tap rooted trees may be better than shallow
rooted ones plus depends on soil type any many more permutations...

PUK






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You can get them at a few places online including lessemf.com (no
affiliation). See if there is a return policy.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: about 2 or
> > 3 pm I have to turn it on & leave. Go to the mall or the movies. Life
> > really is sucky for me. Loni
>
> So it sounds to me like you might be able to make the house tolerable by
> "cleaning up" the noise in the electricity running through your house.
> Either with power filtering power strips plugged into the most
offensive
> appliances (fridge, etc.), or with standalone plug-in Stetzerizer
filters.