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Re:is geopathic stress real?

SArjuna
Jodie asked:
If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know
a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself?

Shivani replies:
I am aware of being strongly affected by geopathic stress. It is my
understanding that all living people are affected by it, but some are aware of it
and some are not. And the effects are cumulative. (Sound familiar?)
Very rigorous research has been done abroad, regarding geopathy. I will
paste on below a message that I have sent my own e-list about this. (I have
several more on file.)
The valid way to protect yourself is to avoid exposure. (Sound familiar?)
That definitely works.
There are a bunch of folks claiming to have gizmos and methods that will
allow you to be exposed but not affected, or claiming to have gizmos and methods
that somehow change or move the geopathic energy (Sound familiar?), but I have
not found anything in this department that works. So, why mess with it?
Just avoid the exosure.
Below is some info. about research.
Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

Note: In today's toxic world, we are obviously exposed to many more toxins
and carcinogens than existed when much of the research below was done, including
pesticides, herbicides, electromagnetic radiation, mercury-laced water
supplies, etcetera. Also, "civilized" peoples in general now eat devitalized
foodstuffs and inventions such as hydrogenated fats. These health-destroying
factors must be considered as well. -Shivani

Quote by Albert Einstein
"I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as they do astrology,
as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is,
however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the
reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at
this time."

http://www.positiveenergy.ie/GS/Research.htmResearch

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Re: Re:is geopathic stress real?

JBainSI

In a message dated 03/08/2008 00:25:12 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

>>>>>There are a bunch of folks claiming to have gizmos and methods that
will
allow you to be exposed but not affected, or claiming to have gizmos and
methods
that somehow change or move the geopathic energy (Sound familiar?), but I
have
not found anything in this department that works. So, why mess with it?
>>>>>>




Because there might be something out there that works for you.

Seems like we need a Gizmo of the Month ring, like the old fashioned round
robin.

Each month you post the gizmo you are currently trying to the next person on
the ring, together with your comments and the comments of everyone else who's
tried it.
And you get the next gizmo to try with the comments of everyone else who's
tried it.

Minimum 'waste of money', and maximum exposure to gizmos.
Once the ring has been established, manufacturers might send free samples
for the ring to try.
Most manufacturers believe their products work, usually because someone
who's tried it has told them 'it helped me'. Con men go for a quick killing and
then move on.
Now that gizmo might only help one-in-a-thousand, but that one-in-a-thousand
might be you.

Best wishes

John
electrosensitivity.co.uk






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Re: Re:is geopathic stress real?

charles-4
In reply to this post by SArjuna
Hello,

geopathic stress is real.

It is elektrosmog, falling under the chapter magnetic static DC fields.

Many dowser claim that the whole house is endangered by water beams, etc.

The reality is quite different.
Although they may be hinderous at the long run, static magnetic fields are
quite common in houses.
Mostly they come from metallic parts.

And quite common they are in metal parts of beds. And in mattresses, And in
waterbeds.
But also in steel armament rods in the concrete, and in steel supporting
beams.
And in underground cables and pipings.
Nowadays I find many magnetic pipes inside walls for central air conducts.

Magnetic fields can be measured with a compass.
Hold it straight in front of you, adjust the North and move it slowly over
f.i. a bed.
According to the present magnetic static field, the needdle will swing to
left and/or right.

For measuring mostly a magnetometer is used, but they are expensive.

The new Aaronia Spectran NF can have also a sensor for measuring static
magnetic fields, like the earth magnetic field.

I am writing now a forthcoming issue of *het bitje* about the Spectran NF,
which can measure so many things.
With it, I can even measure sound starting at 15 Hz and vibrations starting
at 8 Hz.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:51 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re:is geopathic stress real?


> Jodie asked:
> If people are affected by geopathic stress does anyone know
> a valid way of detecting it or alleviating it or protecting oneself?
>
> Shivani replies:
> I am aware of being strongly affected by geopathic stress. It is my
> understanding that all living people are affected by it, but some are
> aware of it
> and some are not. And the effects are cumulative. (Sound familiar?)
> Very rigorous research has been done abroad, regarding geopathy. I will
> paste on below a message that I have sent my own e-list about this. (I
> have
> several more on file.)
> The valid way to protect yourself is to avoid exposure. (Sound
> familiar?)
> That definitely works.
> There are a bunch of folks claiming to have gizmos and methods that will
> allow you to be exposed but not affected, or claiming to have gizmos and
> methods
> that somehow change or move the geopathic energy (Sound familiar?), but I
> have
> not found anything in this department that works. So, why mess with it?
> Just avoid the exosure.
> Below is some info. about research.
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
> Note: In today's toxic world, we are obviously exposed to many more toxins
> and carcinogens than existed when much of the research below was done,
> including
> pesticides, herbicides, electromagnetic radiation, mercury-laced water
> supplies, etcetera. Also, "civilized" peoples in general now eat
> devitalized
> foodstuffs and inventions such as hydrogenated fats. These
> health-destroying
> factors must be considered as well. -Shivani
>
> Quote by Albert Einstein
> "I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as they do
> astrology,
> as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is,
> however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows
> the
> reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown
> to us at
> this time."
>
> http://www.positiveenergy.ie/GS/Research.htmResearch
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: gizmo round robin

Marc Martin
Administrator
In reply to this post by JBainSI
> Each month you post the gizmo you are currently trying to the next person on
> the ring, together with your comments and the comments of everyone else who's
> tried it.

You know, when we started this group, I had some EMF protection devices that
I no longer needed, so we attempted to do this very thing -- mail them out
to group members, under the agreement that they'd be forwarded onto more group
members to see if they helped anyone. I was amazed at how quickly this fell
apart -- items reportedly never made it to their destination (lost in the mail?),
or people never sent them on further.

It seemed like a good idea, but was a complete failure.

Marc

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Re: gizmo round robin

helen
Hi all,

If we did re-start this round robin idea with say 10 select people who are
willing to share all their personal contact details with one another, it may
well work.
I have a Willauf tesla plate to share around to begin with.

Regards, Helen (Australia)

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > Each month you post the gizmo you are currently trying to the next
> person on
> > the ring, together with your comments and the comments of everyone else
> who's
> > tried it.
>
> You know, when we started this group, I had some EMF protection devices
> that
> I no longer needed, so we attempted to do this very thing -- mail them out
> to group members, under the agreement that they'd be forwarded onto more
> group
> members to see if they helped anyone. I was amazed at how quickly this fell
> apart -- items reportedly never made it to their destination (lost in the
> mail?),
> or people never sent them on further.
>
> It seemed like a good idea, but was a complete failure.
>
> Marc
>
>



--
Helen A Murphy

Environomics.com.au
0448 877 384
03 9372 3217


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Re: gizmo round robin

JBainSI
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
In a message dated 04/08/2008 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

>>>>>If we did re-start this round robin idea with say 10 select people who
are
willing to share all their personal contact details with one another, it may
well work.>>>>>

10 seems a reasonable number, and they can be co-ordinated here or on a new
group. The latter might be better as other users of this group might not
want to hear about the operation of the ring.

And each member only needs the contact info of the person they send their
gizmo at the end of the month.
Everything else can be done through the group.

If more than 10 want to join, the group could either grow as big as the
number of gizmos, or another group could be set up with one person in both groups
so that gizmos would circulate through both groups.

The 'users experiences' could be kept in the files section of the group
together with all the info about each gizmo.

The only rules that I think matter are that you must post your gizmo and the
honest report on it at the end of the month. If you don't, the ring fails.
And If the gizmo works for you and you want to keep it, you must order
another from the manufacturer to send to the next person in the ring.

And I've got a Bioguard the ring can use it if it gets organised.

best wishes
John
electrosensitivity.co.uk



















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Re: gizmo round robin

daraghmq
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HI Helen
 
I think that the gizmo robin is a great idea - we could identify criteria against which we could evaluate the devices ie symptoms they alleviated or things which they aggravated etc
 
How did the Tesla plate work for you Helen?
 
Dara

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Helen Murphy <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Helen Murphy <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] gizmo round robin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:38 AM






Hi all,

If we did re-start this round robin idea with say 10 select people who are
willing to share all their personal contact details with one another, it may
well work.
I have a Willauf tesla plate to share around to begin with.

Regards, Helen (Australia)

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

> > Each month you post the gizmo you are currently trying to the next
> person on
> > the ring, together with your comments and the comments of everyone else
> who's
> > tried it.
>
> You know, when we started this group, I had some EMF protection devices
> that
> I no longer needed, so we attempted to do this very thing -- mail them out
> to group members, under the agreement that they'd be forwarded onto more
> group
> members to see if they helped anyone. I was amazed at how quickly this fell
> apart -- items reportedly never made it to their destination (lost in the
> mail?),
> or people never sent them on further.
>
> It seemed like a good idea, but was a complete failure.
>
> Marc
>
>

--
Helen A Murphy

Environomics. com.au
0448 877 384
03 9372 3217

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Re: gizmo round robin

daraghmq
In reply to this post by helen
HI Helen
 
I think that the gizmo robin is a great idea - we could identify criteria against which we could evaluate the devices ie symptoms they alleviated or things which they aggravated etc
 
How did the Tesla plate work for you Helen?
 
Dara

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Helen Murphy <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Helen Murphy <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] gizmo round robin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:38 AM






Hi all,

If we did re-start this round robin idea with say 10 select people who are
willing to share all their personal contact details with one another, it may
well work.
I have a Willauf tesla plate to share around to begin with.

Regards, Helen (Australia)

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

> > Each month you post the gizmo you are currently trying to the next
> person on
> > the ring, together with your comments and the comments of everyone else
> who's
> > tried it.
>
> You know, when we started this group, I had some EMF protection devices
> that
> I no longer needed, so we attempted to do this very thing -- mail them out
> to group members, under the agreement that they'd be forwarded onto more
> group
> members to see if they helped anyone. I was amazed at how quickly this fell
> apart -- items reportedly never made it to their destination (lost in the
> mail?),
> or people never sent them on further.
>
> It seemed like a good idea, but was a complete failure.
>
> Marc
>
>

--
Helen A Murphy

Environomics. com.au
0448 877 384
03 9372 3217

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Re: gizmo round robin

helen
Hi Dara,

It did not work at all for me, that is why I would like some other peoples
opinions. Maybe we could create a criteria rating list as you suggested,
that is a great idea. I could not sleep with device anywhere near me and had
to move it at least 3 rooms away to get any peace, yet the instructions say
to have it 1 metre or so from your bed (something like that, I can't recall
now) and that you would experience the best sleep ever. It made me wide
awake and anxious and it is still kept nowhere near any sleeping areas.

Cheers, Helen

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Lesley Rooney <[hidden email]> wrote:

> HI Helen
>
> I think that the gizmo robin is a great idea - we could identify criteria
> against which we could evaluate the devices ie symptoms they alleviated or
> things which they aggravated etc
>
> How did the Tesla plate work for you Helen?
>
> Dara
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Helen Murphy <[hidden email]<helenmurphybb%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Helen Murphy <[hidden email] <helenmurphybb%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] gizmo round robin
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 3:38 AM
>
> Hi all,
>
> If we did re-start this round robin idea with say 10 select people who are
> willing to share all their personal contact details with one another, it
> may
> well work.
> I have a Willauf tesla plate to share around to begin with.
>
> Regards, Helen (Australia)
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
>
> > > Each month you post the gizmo you are currently trying to the next
> > person on
> > > the ring, together with your comments and the comments of everyone else
> > who's
> > > tried it.
> >
> > You know, when we started this group, I had some EMF protection devices
> > that
> > I no longer needed, so we attempted to do this very thing -- mail them
> out
> > to group members, under the agreement that they'd be forwarded onto more
> > group
> > members to see if they helped anyone. I was amazed at how quickly this
> fell
> > apart -- items reportedly never made it to their destination (lost in the
> > mail?),
> > or people never sent them on further.
> >
> > It seemed like a good idea, but was a complete failure.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>
> --
> Helen A Murphy
>
> Environomics. com.au
> 0448 877 384
> 03 9372 3217
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Helen A Murphy

Environomics.com.au
0448 877 384
03 9372 3217


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Re: gizmo round robin

daraghmq
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Excellent idea - do you reckon a month is a long enough trial period since I have noticed that some manufacturers indicate on their websites that you don't necessarily get immediate or shorter term results with som of the devices they sell - what do you think?
 
Dara

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] gizmo round robin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:34 PM






In a message dated 04/08/2008 03:38:57 GMT Daylight Time,
helenmurphybb@ gmail.com writes:

>>>>>If we did re-start this round robin idea with say 10 select people who
are
willing to share all their personal contact details with one another, it may
well work.>>>>>

10 seems a reasonable number, and they can be co-ordinated here or on a new
group. The latter might be better as other users of this group might not
want to hear about the operation of the ring.

And each member only needs the contact info of the person they send their
gizmo at the end of the month.
Everything else can be done through the group.

If more than 10 want to join, the group could either grow as big as the
number of gizmos, or another group could be set up with one person in both groups
so that gizmos would circulate through both groups.

The 'users experiences' could be kept in the files section of the group
together with all the info about each gizmo.

The only rules that I think matter are that you must post your gizmo and the
honest report on it at the end of the month. If you don't, the ring fails.
And If the gizmo works for you and you want to keep it, you must order
another from the manufacturer to send to the next person in the ring.

And I've got a Bioguard the ring can use it if it gets organised.

best wishes
John
electrosensitivity. co.uk













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Re: gizmo round robin

JBainSI
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In a message dated 06/08/2008 16:45:26 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

do you reckon a month is a long enough trial period


It seems a reasonable figure, if it were longer, people might lose interest.

best wishes
John
electrosensitivity.co.uk






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Marc Martin
Administrator
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> Excellent idea - do you reckon a month is a long enough trial period
> since I have noticed that some manufacturers indicate on their websites
> that you don't necessarily get immediate or shorter term results with some
> of the devices they sell - what do you think?

I think when manufacturers claim that it will take a long time to
tell a difference, they are simply trying to stall so you are less
likely to return it.

If a device is helping you. you'll know it pretty quick. Probably
within a day or two. There's no need to wait more than a month!

Marc