Hi Charles,
I am the suspicious one living in the shielded room! I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others in this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't be here today (literally)! I am still waiting for your answer/justificaton of your earlier statements that Wille Borlin commented, see below: (tagged "<>") Wille Borlin wrote: >>> Well Charles. I think we have some different approaches and i don´t think we can get much closer. Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, always chase for the stars............. So why not always choose the best? My friends cage has nothing to do with what was radiating ten years ago, it was so well planned that it is still state of the art, since the basic physics concerning radiation has not changed. <>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. Either you have a good shield or not. Which is a little mysterious when you say; <>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. Always leave something open." Why ? If you leave one sector open it may enhance the effects of radiation so once again, what do you mean? Wille Borlin SWEDEN <<< greetings, Anders Eriksson SWEDEN |
Hello Anders Eriksson,
I thought that I answered that in my posting of 01-03-2004. Addressed to Wille Borlin in this eSens group. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]>; "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:20 Subject: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > Hi Charles, > > I am the suspicious one living in the shielded room! > I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others in > this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't be > here today (literally)! > > I am still waiting for your answer/justificaton of your earlier > statements that Wille Borlin commented, see below: (tagged "<>") > > Wille Borlin wrote: > >>> > Well Charles. > > I think we have some different approaches and i don´t think we can get > much closer. > Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, > always chase for the stars............. > So why not always choose the best? > > My friends cage has nothing to do with what was radiating ten years ago, > it was so well planned that it is still state of the art, > since the basic physics concerning radiation has not changed. > > <>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. > Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. > Either you have a good shield or not. > > Which is a little mysterious when you say; > > <>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. > Always leave something open." > > Why ? > If you leave one sector open it may enhance the effects of radiation so > once again, what do you mean? > > Wille Borlin > SWEDEN > <<< > > greetings, > > Anders Eriksson > SWEDEN > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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> I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others
> in this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't > be here today (literally)! Well, whatever works! As for me, shielding off my bedroom/house was not going to help my main problem, which was sitting in front of my computer at home and at work. For me, the "new age stuff" worked much better than shielding or switching to an LCD monitor, and has the added benefit that it can be used while you're shopping, travelling, and can be used not only for chemical sensitivities but also food and chemical sensitivities. But again, I had to try a *lot* of stuff before I found ones which worked for me -- most people I think would have either given up or simply could not afford it. Marc |
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Sorry Charles,
the only mail that I can find (in the complete message listing on Yahoo) that is on the same topic as my questions is this: "From: "charles" <cclaessens@c...> / Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:08 pm / Subject: Re: [eSens] windows", and it doesn't answer my questions! Here I repeat the questions: 1) You say that the paint has to be grounded. Why? 2) "But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. Always leave something open." Why? Anders Eriksson charles wrote: > Hello Anders Eriksson, > > I thought that I answered that in my posting of 01-03-2004. > Addressed to Wille Borlin in this eSens group. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ > http://www.hese-project.org > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]>; "WILLE BÖRLIN" > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:20 > Subject: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > > > >>Hi Charles, >> >>I am the suspicious one living in the shielded room! >>I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others in >>this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't be >>here today (literally)! >> >>I am still waiting for your answer/justificaton of your earlier >>statements that Wille Borlin commented, see below: (tagged "<>") >> >>Wille Borlin wrote: >> >>> >>Well Charles. >> >>I think we have some different approaches and i don´t think we can get >>much closer. >>Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, >>always chase for the stars............. >>So why not always choose the best? >> >>My friends cage has nothing to do with what was radiating ten years ago, >>it was so well planned that it is still state of the art, >> since the basic physics concerning radiation has not changed. >> >><>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. >>Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. >>Either you have a good shield or not. >> >>Which is a little mysterious when you say; >> >><>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>Always leave something open." >> >>Why ? >>If you leave one sector open it may enhance the effects of radiation so >>once again, what do you mean? >> >>Wille Borlin >>SWEDEN >><<< >> >>greetings, >> >>Anders Eriksson >>SWEDEN >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
Hello Anders Eriksson,
you are quite right, my message does not appear in the complete message listing on Yahoo. I wrote on 01-03-2004: *************** Hello Wille Borlin, you wrote: >Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, >always chase for the stars............. >So why not always choose the best? First of all, not many people can afford that. There are people who have spend 60,000 dollars on shielding, and were disappointed with the results! The meaning of good shielding is, that you feel comfortable in your home. There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call *anechoic rooms*. They are completely shielded. A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes. Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with them, when they go out into space. In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also. The same goes for a totally shielded room. Therefore I wrote: >"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >Always leave something open." There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your room. Most of the time, the HF radiation comes from a horizontal level, and from a few directions. It is not necessary to shield then in the opposite directions. Only against the sides it is coming from. The HF radiation goes straight away. It does not take bends or turns. But it can reflect against certain surfaces. Therefore a good HF meter is important to check and recheck. You wrote: >Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. >Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. >Either you have a good shield or not. Normally, when you shield against high frequencies, the used materials do not have to be grounded, because the radiation will be absorbed and transformed into heat. But is is different with these paints. Contrary to the wallpapers, films, etcetera, the paint is electrically conductive. It can therefore pick up electrical AC fields from lines in the walls, and therefore it MUST be grounded, according to safety regulations. So the grounding has nothing to do with the high frequencies, but with the possible pick-up of low frequency fields. And! In my opinion, it is good to shield the bedroom, but use other *things* at the same time. Don't forget, dr. Gruen proved with his *watering the seeds*, that longitudinal waves go right through a cage of Farady. And for heavy electrosensible persons, those *things* are not enough; shielding is also neccessary. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus *********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 17:57 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > Sorry Charles, > > the only mail that I can find (in the complete message listing on Yahoo) > that is on the same topic as my questions is this: "From: "charles" > <cclaessens@c...> / Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:08 pm / Subject: Re: > [eSens] windows", and it doesn't answer my questions! > > Here I repeat the questions: > > 1) You say that the paint has to be grounded. Why? > 2) "But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. > Always leave something open." Why? > > Anders Eriksson > > charles wrote: > > > Hello Anders Eriksson, > > > > I thought that I answered that in my posting of 01-03-2004. > > Addressed to Wille Borlin in this eSens group. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ > > http://www.hese-project.org > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> > > To: <[hidden email]>; "WILLE BÖRLIN" > > <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:20 > > Subject: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > > > > > > > >>Hi Charles, > >> > >>I am the suspicious one living in the shielded room! > >>I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others in > >>this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't be > >>here today (literally)! > >> > >>I am still waiting for your answer/justificaton of your earlier > >>statements that Wille Borlin commented, see below: (tagged "<>") > >> > >>Wille Borlin wrote: > >> >>> > >>Well Charles. > >> > >>I think we have some different approaches and i don´t think we can get > >>much closer. > >>Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, > >>always chase for the stars............. > >>So why not always choose the best? > >> > >>My friends cage has nothing to do with what was radiating ten years ago, > >>it was so well planned that it is still state of the art, > >> since the basic physics concerning radiation has not changed. > >> > >><>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. > >>Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency > >>Either you have a good shield or not. > >> > >>Which is a little mysterious when you say; > >> > >><>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. > >>Always leave something open." > >> > >>Why ? > >>If you leave one sector open it may enhance the effects of radiation so > >>once again, what do you mean? > >> > >>Wille Borlin > >>SWEDEN > >><<< > >> > >>greetings, > >> > >>Anders Eriksson > >>SWEDEN > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > |
Charles.
You write ; "Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with them, when they go out into space." I seriously doubt this, please give information of the source for this information. Wille Borlin SWEDEN charles wrote: >Hello Anders Eriksson, > >you are quite right, my message does not appear in the complete message >listing on Yahoo. > >I wrote on 01-03-2004: >*************** >Hello Wille Borlin, > >you wrote: > > >>Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, >>always chase for the stars............. >>So why not always choose the best? >> >> > >First of all, not many people can afford that. >There are people who have spend 60,000 dollars on shielding, and were >disappointed with the results! >The meaning of good shielding is, that you feel comfortable in your home. > >There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse >you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call *anechoic >rooms*. They are completely shielded. >A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable >in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes. >Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with >them, when they go out into space. >In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also. >The same goes for a totally shielded room. > >Therefore I wrote: > > >>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>Always leave something open." >> >> >There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your >room. >Most of the time, the HF radiation comes from a horizontal level, and froma >few directions. It is not necessary to shield then in the opposite >directions. Only against the sides it is coming from. >The HF radiation goes straight away. It does not take bends or turns. >But it can reflect against certain surfaces. >Therefore a good HF meter is important to check and recheck. > >You wrote: > > >>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. >>Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. >>Either you have a good shield or not. >> >> >Normally, when you shield against high frequencies, the used materials do >not have to be grounded, because the radiation will be absorbed and >transformed into heat. >But is is different with these paints. Contrary to the wallpapers, films, >etcetera, the paint is electrically conductive. It can therefore pick up >electrical AC fields from lines in the walls, and therefore it MUST be >grounded, according to safety regulations. So the grounding has nothing to >do with the high frequencies, but with the possible pick-up of low frequency >fields. > >And! In my opinion, it is good to shield the bedroom, but use other *things* >at the same time. >Don't forget, dr. Gruen proved with his *watering the seeds*, that >longitudinal waves go right through a cage of Farady. >And for heavy electrosensible persons, those *things* are not enough; >shielding is also neccessary. > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus >*********************** > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 17:57 >Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > > > > >>Sorry Charles, >> >>the only mail that I can find (in the complete message listing on Yahoo) >>that is on the same topic as my questions is this: "From: "charles" >><cclaessens@c...> / Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:08 pm / Subject: Re: >>[eSens] windows", and it doesn't answer my questions! >> >>Here I repeat the questions: >> >>1) You say that the paint has to be grounded. Why? >>2) "But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>Always leave something open." Why? >> >>Anders Eriksson >> >>charles wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello Anders Eriksson, >>> >>>I thought that I answered that in my posting of 01-03-2004. >>>Addressed to Wille Borlin in this eSens group. >>> >>>Greetings, >>>Charles Claessens >>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >>>http://www.hese-project.org >>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >>>To: <[hidden email]>; "WILLE BÖRLIN" >>><[hidden email]> >>>Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:20 >>>Subject: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Charles, >>>> >>>>I am the suspicious one living in the shielded room! >>>>I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others in >>>>this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't be >>>>here today (literally)! >>>> >>>>I am still waiting for your answer/justificaton of your earlier >>>>statements that Wille Borlin commented, see below: (tagged "<>") >>>> >>>>Wille Borlin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>Well Charles. >>>> >>>>I think we have some different approaches and i don´t think we can get >>>>much closer. >>>>Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, >>>>always chase for the stars............. >>>>So why not always choose the best? >>>> >>>>My friends cage has nothing to do with what was radiating ten years ago, >>>>it was so well planned that it is still state of the art, >>>> since the basic physics concerning radiation has not changed. >>>> >>>><>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. >>>>Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency >>>> >>>> >shielding. > > >>>>Either you have a good shield or not. >>>> >>>>Which is a little mysterious when you say; >>>> >>>><>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>>>Always leave something open." >>>> >>>>Why ? >>>>If you leave one sector open it may enhance the effects of radiation so >>>>once again, what do you mean? >>>> >>>>Wille Borlin >>>>SWEDEN >>>><<< >>>> >>>>greetings, >>>> >>>>Anders Eriksson >>>>SWEDEN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Hello Wille Borlin,
I have read it somewhere sometime ago. It was in an article about the Shumann frequency. AS I remember, it were three different articles. I am sorry that I cannot help you with that. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 20:09 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows Charles. You write ; "Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with them, when they go out into space." I seriously doubt this, please give information of the source for this information. Wille Borlin SWEDEN charles wrote: >Hello Anders Eriksson, > >you are quite right, my message does not appear in the complete message >listing on Yahoo. > >I wrote on 01-03-2004: >*************** >Hello Wille Borlin, > >you wrote: > > >>Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, >>always chase for the stars............. >>So why not always choose the best? >> >> > >First of all, not many people can afford that. >There are people who have spend 60,000 dollars on shielding, and were >disappointed with the results! >The meaning of good shielding is, that you feel comfortable in your home. > >There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse >you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call >rooms*. They are completely shielded. >A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable >in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes. >Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with >them, when they go out into space. >In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also. >The same goes for a totally shielded room. > >Therefore I wrote: > > >>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>Always leave something open." >> >> >There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your >room. >Most of the time, the HF radiation comes from a horizontal level, and from >few directions. It is not necessary to shield then in the opposite >directions. Only against the sides it is coming from. >The HF radiation goes straight away. It does not take bends or turns. >But it can reflect against certain surfaces. >Therefore a good HF meter is important to check and recheck. > >You wrote: > > >>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. >>Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. >>Either you have a good shield or not. >> >> >Normally, when you shield against high frequencies, the used materials do >not have to be grounded, because the radiation will be absorbed and >transformed into heat. >But is is different with these paints. Contrary to the wallpapers, films, >etcetera, the paint is electrically conductive. It can therefore pick up >electrical AC fields from lines in the walls, and therefore it MUST be >grounded, according to safety regulations. So the grounding has nothing to >do with the high frequencies, but with the possible pick-up of low >fields. > >And! In my opinion, it is good to shield the bedroom, but use other *things* >at the same time. >Don't forget, dr. Gruen proved with his *watering the seeds*, that >longitudinal waves go right through a cage of Farady. >And for heavy electrosensible persons, those *things* are not enough; >shielding is also neccessary. > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus >*********************** > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 17:57 >Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > > > > >>Sorry Charles, >> >>the only mail that I can find (in the complete message listing on Yahoo) >>that is on the same topic as my questions is this: "From: "charles" >><cclaessens@c...> / Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:08 pm / Subject: Re: >>[eSens] windows", and it doesn't answer my questions! >> >>Here I repeat the questions: >> >>1) You say that the paint has to be grounded. Why? >>2) "But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>Always leave something open." Why? >> >>Anders Eriksson |
Well Charles.
Somehow i thought i new the answer in advance. But, apart from that, the construction of a little 7,83 Hz oscillator is simple, but, how is a efficient and useful antenna constructed? Thanks in advance for tips and perhaps drawings or plans. Wille Borlin charles wrote: >Hello Wille Borlin, > >I have read it somewhere sometime ago. >It was in an article about the Shumann frequency. >AS I remember, it were three different articles. > >I am sorry that I cannot help you with that. > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 20:09 >Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows > > >Charles. > >You write ; > >"Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with >them, when they go out into space." > >I seriously doubt this, please give information of the source for this >information. > >Wille Borlin >SWEDEN > > > >charles wrote: > > > >>Hello Anders Eriksson, >> >>you are quite right, my message does not appear in the complete message >>listing on Yahoo. >> >>I wrote on 01-03-2004: >>*************** >>Hello Wille Borlin, >> >>you wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Obviously the object must be to kill incoming radiation completely, >>>always chase for the stars............. >>>So why not always choose the best? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>First of all, not many people can afford that. >>There are people who have spend 60,000 dollars on shielding, and were >>disappointed with the results! >>The meaning of good shielding is, that you feel comfortable in your home. >> >>There are cages, used by the military and research laboratories (a glimpse >>you may see in my english version of *het bitje*), which they call >> >> >*anechoic > > >>rooms*. They are completely shielded. >>A number of people have difficulties in there. They feel very uncomfortable >>in it. I know people who had to leave after 10 minutes. >>Astronauts nowadays do have a Schumann (7.83 Hz) frequency generator with >>them, when they go out into space. >>In an anechoic room, these Schumann frequencies are shielded off also. >>The same goes for a totally shielded room. >> >>Therefore I wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>"But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>>Always leave something open." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>There must always be an opening where the cosmic radiation can enter your >>room. >>Most of the time, the HF radiation comes from a horizontal level, and from >> >> >a > > >>few directions. It is not necessary to shield then in the opposite >>directions. Only against the sides it is coming from. >>The HF radiation goes straight away. It does not take bends or turns. >>But it can reflect against certain surfaces. >>Therefore a good HF meter is important to check and recheck. >> >>You wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Finally you say that the paint has to be grounded. >>>Grounding has absolutely no effect in medium and high-frequency shielding. >>>Either you have a good shield or not. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Normally, when you shield against high frequencies, the used materials do >>not have to be grounded, because the radiation will be absorbed and >>transformed into heat. >>But is is different with these paints. Contrary to the wallpapers, films, >>etcetera, the paint is electrically conductive. It can therefore pick up >>electrical AC fields from lines in the walls, and therefore it MUST be >>grounded, according to safety regulations. So the grounding has nothing to >>do with the high frequencies, but with the possible pick-up of low >> >> >frequency > > >>fields. >> >>And! In my opinion, it is good to shield the bedroom, but use other >> >> >*things* > > >>at the same time. >>Don't forget, dr. Gruen proved with his *watering the seeds*, that >>longitudinal waves go right through a cage of Farady. >>And for heavy electrosensible persons, those *things* are not enough; >>shielding is also neccessary. >> >>Greetings, >>Charles Claessens >>member Verband Baubiologie >>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >>http://www.hese-project.org >>checked by Norton Antivirus >>*********************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >>To: <[hidden email]> >>Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 17:57 >>Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Sorry Charles, >>> >>>the only mail that I can find (in the complete message listing on Yahoo) >>>that is on the same topic as my questions is this: "From: "charles" >>><cclaessens@c...> / Date: Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:08 pm / Subject: Re: >>>[eSens] windows", and it doesn't answer my questions! >>> >>>Here I repeat the questions: >>> >>>1) You say that the paint has to be grounded. Why? >>>2) "But never, all the walls, ceiling and floor should be shielded. >>>Always leave something open." Why? >>> >>>Anders Eriksson >>> >>> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles, in your recently (re)posted message you say that a Schumann
Oscillator should be supplemented in addition to shielding... I keep wondering about that issue for some time as I noticed myself that background "noise" has to do something with how I respond to certain EMFs. For example when it's sunny outside, all my ES symptoms are much much better, even if I am in a room without windows. Has anybody noticed something similar, please let us know. (I am also interested in any apparently weird personal observations like this one is.) Also, according to works of Dr. Litovitz, there are findings that a "white" (random) noise reduces effects of EMF signals (to chicken embryos etc.). There is a protective device based on it, (it intentionally generates electrosmog itself!), but as far as I know, they sell it just for mobile phones, implanted in a battery. http://www.emf.com/biochip.html I would be very happy to hear any first - hand experiences with Schumann and noise generators, also about problems, brands, characteristics, prices etc. Drasko |
----- Original Message ----- From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 05:12 Subject: [eSens] Schumann Oscillator > Charles, in your recently (re)posted message you say that a Schumann > Oscillator should be supplemented in addition to shielding... > > I keep wondering about that issue for some time as I noticed myself that > background "noise" has to do something with how I respond to certain EMFs. > For example when it's sunny outside, all my ES symptoms are much much > better, even if I am in a room without windows. Has anybody noticed > something similar, please let us know. (I am also interested in any > apparently weird personal observations like this one is.) > > Also, according to works of Dr. Litovitz, there are findings that a > (random) noise reduces effects of EMF signals (to chicken embryos etc.). > There is a protective device based on it, (it intentionally generates > electrosmog itself!), but as far as I know, they sell it just for mobile > phones, implanted in a battery. http://www.emf.com/biochip.html > > I would be very happy to hear any first - hand experiences with Schumann and > noise generators, also about problems, brands, characteristics, prices etc. > > Drasko > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
In reply to this post by Drasko Cvijovic
Hello Drasko and other members,
first of all, your statement *I am also interested in any > apparently weird personal observations like this one is.)* is completely out of order. Teh very nice thing about this newsgroup is, that everybody can express his/her feelings / experiences. Nobody will be laughed at. *apparently weird personal observations* do not exist here. They are just observations. They are not weird. We just do not have a rational explanation for it, at this moment. But tomorrow somebody may come up with a true theory. Who knows? I do know, that we, humans, do need cosmic radiation, whatever that all may be. Part of it is the Schumann frequency. If it is not sufficiently present, sensible people feel that, and they are uncomfortable. Normal people need more time to feel uncomfortable. There are a number of discussions that this frequency is not 7.83 Hz anymore, but should be higher. Some speak about 10 or 11 Hz, but that is all theory. Measurements show, that it still is 7.83 Hz. I do not know Dr. Litovitz, but I know of some research, where anti-noise is generated. First the noise profile is measured, and the anti-noise has a curve, just the opposite form. This anti-noise is than feed via loudspeakers, and the result is a very quiet sound. They want to use it with exhaust pipes of trucks. It was on Discovery, if I remember correctly. There are several companies that make a Schumann generator. I use one a dutch one, which costs 158 Euro Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drasko Cvijovic" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 05:12 Subject: [eSens] Schumann Oscillator > Charles, in your recently (re)posted message you say that a Schumann > Oscillator should be supplemented in addition to shielding... > > I keep wondering about that issue for some time as I noticed myself that > background "noise" has to do something with how I respond to certain EMFs. > For example when it's sunny outside, all my ES symptoms are much much > better, even if I am in a room without windows. Has anybody noticed > something similar, please let us know. (I am also interested in any > apparently weird personal observations like this one is.) > > Also, according to works of Dr. Litovitz, there are findings that a > (random) noise reduces effects of EMF signals (to chicken embryos etc.). > There is a protective device based on it, (it intentionally generates > electrosmog itself!), but as far as I know, they sell it just for mobile > phones, implanted in a battery. http://www.emf.com/biochip.html > > I would be very happy to hear any first - hand experiences with Schumann and > noise generators, also about problems, brands, characteristics, prices etc. > > Drasko > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Hi Marc,
my experience from ES tells me that if I can rest and sleep in an environment with low levels of EM-fields (shielded room) then I can coop with the daily amount of EM-fields. If i for instance get exposured from several hours in a car or to many hours in front of the TV-set , then i have to back of from further exposure for a while (a while can be anything from a few days to months (or even years back in 1994)! greetings, Anders Eriksson Marc Martin wrote: >>I am quite sure that if I had used "New Age stuff" as you and others >>in this list suggest for everyone who asks, then I probably wouldn't >>be here today (literally)! > > > Well, whatever works! > > As for me, shielding off my bedroom/house was not going to help my main > problem, which was sitting in front of my computer at home and at work. > For me, the "new age stuff" worked much better than shielding or > switching to an LCD monitor, and has the added benefit that it can be > used while you're shopping, travelling, and can be used not only for > chemical sensitivities but also food and chemical sensitivities. > But again, I had to try a *lot* of stuff before I found ones which worked > for me -- most people I think would have either given up or simply could > not afford it. > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
In reply to this post by WILLE BÖRLIN
Hell Wille Borlin,
so you are clearvoyant. My Schumann frequency generator is a small box, without any antenna. I do not know how it is constructed. I am not an electronics do-it yourself-constructor. Otherwise I would have just one apparatus, which I am constantly trying to improve further. In stead I have more than 20 meters, who work. They can be seen on: http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/Pagina36c.html Of course I have other things, like a Multiple Wave Oscillator (Lakhovsky), a Molecular Oscillating Resonance Instrument (Rife, Clark) , the Blood Optimizer according to dr Beck, and several different Zappers. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 22:59 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re:[eSense] windows Well Charles. Somehow i thought i new the answer in advance. But, apart from that, the construction of a little 7,83 Hz oscillator is simple, but, how is a efficient and useful antenna constructed? Thanks in advance for tips and perhaps drawings or plans. Wille Borlin charles wrote: >Hello Wille Borlin, > >I have read it somewhere sometime ago. >It was in an article about the Shumann frequency. >AS I remember, it were three different articles. > >I am sorry that I cannot help you with that. > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus > |
In reply to this post by Drasko Cvijovic
Yes. I have heavy weather sensitivities and full moon sickness as well. I see those phenomena as electrical phenomena as well.
I agree that we need the natural fields and radiation very much. Nikolaj - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nikolaj Holtermann, cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent Rosengården 14, 3.tv DK - 1174 København K tlf 33930070 email [hidden email] www.sundhedskonsulenten.tk (.tk og ikke .dk) http://hjem.get2net.dk/nikolaj_holtermann ----- Original Message ----- From: Drasko Cvijovic To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:12 AM Subject: [eSens] Schumann Oscillator Charles, in your recently (re)posted message you say that a Schumann Oscillator should be supplemented in addition to shielding... I keep wondering about that issue for some time as I noticed myself that background "noise" has to do something with how I respond to certain EMFs. For example when it's sunny outside, all my ES symptoms are much much better, even if I am in a room without windows. Has anybody noticed something similar, please let us know. (I am also interested in any apparently weird personal observations like this one is.) Also, according to works of Dr. Litovitz, there are findings that a "white" (random) noise reduces effects of EMF signals (to chicken embryos etc.). There is a protective device based on it, (it intentionally generates electrosmog itself!), but as far as I know, they sell it just for mobile phones, implanted in a battery. http://www.emf.com/biochip.html I would be very happy to hear any first - hand experiences with Schumann and noise generators, also about problems, brands, characteristics, prices etc. Drasko Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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