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Electro Bel

Re : [eSens] bizarre tinnitus effects

You might try a monitor conforming to the TCO 03 specification that limits EMF produced by monitors. Here is a link for the details but it's in French: http://www.electromagnetique.com/pages/legislation_normes.html

Elekctrose

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De : Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
À : [hidden email]
Envoyé le : Samedi, 12 Janvier 2008, 2h38mn 06s
Objet : Re: [eSens] bizarre tinnitus effects

I should have mentioned the monitor I've been using the last few weeks is

an old CRT trinitron. I'll probably try switching back to the flat panel

LCD.

The horizontal refresh was running at 81 kHz and changing that does seem

to change the effect. I measured 3 microgauss in that frequency. With the

monitor sleeping the loud tone goes away.

Bill

On Jan 10, 2008 5:52 AM, <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

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> In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:26:14 AM GMT Standard Time,

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> m.a.norman@ntlworld .com <m.a.norman% 40ntlworld. com> writes:

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> Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has been a

> frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it

> stopped

> then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover your ears

> with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away.. At times it's

> made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

>

> It seems to be when the

>

> Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common

> with

> CRT Vdu

>

> paul uk

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charles-4

Re: bizarre tinnitus effects

It is a misunderstanding that those norms are of any value to
electrosensible people.
Sure the electrical and magnetic fields are limited, and these norms are
only meant for computer monitors, and NOT for toasters, irons, washing
machines or television sets.

But those norms do not look for the *dirty power*, the 30-60 kHz
frequencies, which may come from those monitors, and for which
electrosensible people are most sensitive.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Electro Bel" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:39
Subject: Re : [eSens] bizarre tinnitus effects

You might try a monitor conforming to the TCO 03 specification that limits
EMF produced by monitors. Here is a link for the details but it's in French:
http://www.electromagnetique.com/pages/legislation_normes.html

Elekctrose

----- Message d'origine ----
De : Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Ã : [hidden email]
EnvoyÃ© le : Samedi, 12 Janvier 2008, 2h38mn 06s
Objet : Re: [eSens] bizarre tinnitus effects

I should have mentioned the monitor I've been using the last few
weeks is

an old CRT trinitron. I'll probably try switching back to the flat panel

LCD.

The horizontal refresh was running at 81 kHz and changing that does seem

to change the effect. I measured 3 microgauss in that frequency. With the

monitor sleeping the loud tone goes away.

Bill

On Jan 10, 2008 5:52 AM, <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

>

> In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:26:14 AM GMT Standard Time,

>

> m.a.norman@ntlworld .com <m.a.norman% 40ntlworld. com> writes:

>

> Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has been a

> frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it

> stopped

> then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover your ears

> with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away.. At times
> it's

> made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.

>

> It seems to be when the

>

> Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common

> with

> CRT Vdu

>

> paul uk

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

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Electro Bel

Re: bizarre tinnitus effects

Yes, you are absolutely right. But I think that every effort to
decrease exposure to EMF should be supported. The TCO 03 label is just
one step in the right direction. It is focused on office furniture and
was founded by the Swedish Confederation of Professional Employees
(1.3 million employees):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCO_Certification
http://www.tcodevelopment.com/
http://www.mobilelabelling.com/

I believe that the numerous EHS people around the world could do the
same for toasters, irons, TV sets, consumption habits, ...

Don't you think so?

I've checked the wikipedia website for envionmental diseases and I
found very few things. Wouldn't it be intersting to initiate a
wikipedia portal and project on this subject?

Elektrose

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
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> It is a misunderstanding that those norms are of any value to
> electrosensible people.
> Sure the electrical and magnetic fields are limited, and these norms
are

> only meant for computer monitors, and NOT for toasters, irons, washing
> machines or television sets.
>
> But those norms do not look for the *dirty power*, the 30-60 kHz
> frequencies, which may come from those monitors, and for which
> electrosensible people are most sensitive.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Electro Bel" <elektrose@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:39
> Subject: Re : [eSens] bizarre tinnitus effects
>
>
> You might try a monitor conforming to the TCO 03 specification that

limits
> EMF produced by monitors. Here is a link for the details but it's in
French:

> http://www.electromagnetique.com/pages/legislation_normes.html
>
> Elekctrose
>
> ----- Message d'origine ----
> De : Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>
> Ã : [hidden email]
> EnvoyÃ© le : Samedi, 12 Janvier 2008, 2h38mn 06s
> Objet : Re: [eSens] bizarre tinnitus effects
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> I should have mentioned the monitor I've been using the

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> an old CRT trinitron. I'll probably try switching back to the flat
panel
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> LCD.
>
> The horizontal refresh was running at 81 kHz and changing that does seem
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> to change the effect. I measured 3 microgauss in that frequency.
With the

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> monitor sleeping the loud tone goes away.
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> Bill
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> On Jan 10, 2008 5:52 AM, <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:
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> > m.a.norman@ntlworld .com <m.a.norman% 40ntlworld. com> writes:
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> > Bill, There have been times when I've sat at my desk and there has

been a
>
> > frequency sound begin. I found when I turned my head to one side it
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> > stopped
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> > then when I turned my head back it started again. If you cover
your ears
>
> > with your hands it will stop until you move your hands away.. At
times

> > it's
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> > made me feel a nauseas and disorientated.
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> >
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> > It seems to be when the
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> >
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> > Probably the resisters in the monitor infront of you especially common
>
> > with
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> > CRT Vdu
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> > paul uk
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Re: bizarre tinnitus effects

In reply to this post by charles-4

In a message dated 1/12/2008 4:50:35 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

You might try a monitor conforming to the TCO 03 specification that limits
EMF produced by monitors. Here is a link for the details but it's in French:

_http://www.electromhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://www.ehttp://www._
(http://www.electromagnetique.com/pages/legislation_normes.html)

Elekctrose

Try reading the invisible disease by Gunni Norstum for an insite into TCO !
My feeling is that sheilding is good for non ES persons but ES should not
spend time so close up to any electrical device ! But we have to live so we
suffer anon.

Paul UK

Paul UK

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