Re: [eSens Can anyone help with this

I am in the process of getting some benefits from the state. Can Electric
Sensitivity be proved? While on the phone this morning with the counselor
for an hour and a half I suffered immensely. Being on my cordless phone
and now sometimes the wired phone. I'm being asked if I can provide proof of
this sensitivity.

Thanks for whatever information you could provide.

Estelle


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Proof that you are personally ES - Well I claim a lousy £64 a week for my  
ES as my Dr signs me off 2 months at a time with a sick note. I think I got
this far by demonstrating how in 10 yrs of suffering that I was not mad
lets face it 10yrs of this is enough to do phychological damage ! My med
notes are litered with refeerences to ES and related symptoms, I also had a
medico legal report done in order to defend myself against an unscrupulous
employer which I gave to my DR also I turned up one day at my DRs tried toput
a brave face on my lot and did not do a good job of it as I burst out
crying/sobbing, I think he could tell I was not putting this on, there are
easier ways to get benefits that doing 10yrs with ES !!! He was aware thatI
have a BSc Hons degree and was a good and well paid worker but now due to ES
complexities I have no career, I have kept it together with my family, kept
up a mortgage and so on - throw in all the data/evidence and info about ES
and that just about does it, that said I am awaiting a medical to assess
my ability to work, I suspect that when this comes round I will be no longer
granted benefits, as ES is recognised I doubt the medical exminer will let
me slip through the net after all I can bend over and touch my toes in a
heart beat so I am fit for work - but what work and for how long !!!! anon  
-PUK


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Hi Estelle,
 
EMS can SOMETIMES be proved.  If you react by severely dropping your blood pressure in areas of high emfs, it can be proven or at least be the catalyst for alot of raised eyebrows.  ;)
 
Take your bp when you feel well and then again when you feel really bad from emfs.  Do you see a noticeable drop?  Some EMS people have problems with autonomic nervous system disorder or orthostatic hypotension.  These are provable conditions.  However, they will not necessarilybe seen as severe enough to warrant disability benefits.
 
I wish you the best on proving your disability,
Diane

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I am in the process of getting some benefits from the state. Can Electric
Sensitivity be proved? While on the phone this morning with the counselor
for an hour and a half I suffered immensely. Being on my cordless phone
and now sometimes the wired phone. I'm being asked if I can provide proof of
this sensitivity.

Thanks for whatever information you could provide.

Estelle

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Thanks Diane. I do have nervous system problems as well as structural
problems from EMF's. Hard to prove unless one is with me while it's happening.

Thanks for your response.


Estelle


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Hi again, Estelle,
 
Can you see a difference with use of a cell phone?  For me you often can  (works even better if you have someone in the room you are in callanother person in that same room), and so you can have a person take your original bp, make the phone call, and then take the bp again.  However, this won't, as I said, guarantee they will see a need for disability, unfortunately.  It does seem to impress upon some people that cell phones affect a bodily change.  Other people just think it is some kind of parlor trick.  I think doctors might be convinced, tho.
 
Diane

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Thanks Diane. I do have nervous system problems as well as structural
problems from EMF's. Hard to prove unless one is with me while it's happening.

Thanks for your response.


Estelle

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I am affected when on a cell phone for more than a few minutes.

My hands start to shake, my neck gets stiff and that nerve gets tight and
painful. I'm trying to obtain a hearing aid from the DVR (division of
vocational rehabilitation). One would think that based on the fact that
without an aid I cannot do my work..But, Florida's laws have changed and they
help people with severest multiple disabilities first. I included ES and
they were perplexed as to how they would prove that since doctors won't
speak about ES as disabling. Our medical profession has a lot to learn about
this.


Estelle


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I am affected when on a cell phone for more than a few minutes.

My hands start to shake, my neck gets stiff and that nerve gets tight and
painful.


puk replies - Are you sure this symptom is not a muscular problem ie
holding the phone with arm bent poor posture etc.. that said I am now convinved
that my painful neck, lh arm and shoulder is UNDOUBTEDLY exacerbated when I
stay indoors and try to ignore the Plasma TV radiation that my family are
exposed to. The radition may cause both physical muscle tension due to
stress and directly induced tension due to the minute current in capacitance
coupling stimulating the muscles any parts of the body that are already
weakened sick damaged.

paul


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person take your original bp, make the phone call, and then take the bp
again. However, this won't, as I said, guarantee they will see a need for
disability, unfortunately. It does seem to impress upon some people that
cell phones affect a bodily change. Other people just think it is some kind
of parlor trick. I think doctors might be convinced


PUK replies - as far as this experiment goes, you could not rule out the
phychological effects due to anxiety and pre-emting of symptoms which would
more likely raise blood pressure than the effects of the radiation ?


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Take your bp when you feel well and then again when you feel really bad
from emfs. Do you see a noticeable drop? Some EMS people have problems
with autonomic nervous system disorder or orthostatic hypotension. These are
provable conditions. However, they will not necessarily be seen as severe
enough to warrant disability benefits.

I wish you the best on proving your disability,
Diane



PUK replies - muscular fatigue and cognitive effects are probably the way
to go, there will be cross overs to fybromyalgia and ME.


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Also, if you get headaches, I'm told 2 migraines a week
can qualify for disability.

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How in the world do you prove that....years ago I had 4 a week!

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Also, if you get headaches, I'm told 2 migraines a week
can qualify for disability.

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Hi, I suggest you contact my lawyer just to ask guestions - Attorney Michael Walkup - http://www.walkuplaw.com/about.html.  
Hate migraines know how you feel.. I get them often too. Good luck. TD

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Since I am now a self employed person working at home, is disability still
an option???



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Hi, I suggest you contact my lawyer just to ask guestions - Attorney Michael
Walkup - http://www.walkuplaw.com/about.html.
Hate migraines know how you feel.. I get them often too. Good luck. TD

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> > enough to warrant disability benefits.
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> > PUK replies - muscular fatigue and cognitive effects are probably the
way




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It's my understanding that if you can work, from home or anywhere, you are
not a candidate for disability. You really have to be unable to work.


Estelle


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I have worked with migraines for 35 years (not pleasant!) so that is why I
questioned his email about migraines being a disability, even though they do
disable me when they strike.



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It's my understanding that if you can work, from home or anywhere, you are
not a candidate for disability. You really have to be unable to work.


Estelle

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> But, Florida's laws have changed and they help people with severest
> multiple disabilities first.

You should show your doctors this proclamation from Florida's
governor:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14751588/Florida-2009-EMS-Proclamation-by-Governor-Charlie-Crist

Marc

Dear Marc Martin
I would like to be a member of this group but my e-mails are getting overloaded.Is there any solution?
Thank you
Best wishes
Megan Jenkins
PS:written by a helper, dictated by Megan




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> But, Florida's laws have changed and they help people with severest
> multiple disabilities first.

You should show your doctors this proclamation from Florida's
governor:

http://www.scribd. com/doc/14751588 /Florida- 2009-EMS- Proclamation- by-Governor- Charlie-Crist

Marc

 


     

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> I would like to be a member of this group but my e-mails are getting
> overloaded.Is there any solution?

With any Yahoo Group, you can switch to "digest mode" which puts a
bunch of messages into a single daily delivery. I use this for
several groups to make them less "overwhelming"...

Marc

You can also choose to read group msgs online without any email forwarding. Login to the group and select Edit Membership on top and then select Web Only under step 2: Message Delivery.




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> I would like to be a member of this group but my e-mails are getting
> overloaded.Is there any solution?

With any Yahoo Group, you can switch to "digest mode" which puts a
bunch of messages into a single daily delivery. I use this for
several groups to make them less "overwhelming" ...

Marc




     

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If it is affecting you when you are on a land line, there's a good chance the person on the other end is on a cell or cordless phone.
The frequency still comes through.

I have a friend who cannot talk to anyone calling on a cell, and I have hada few instances where it has been a problem for me.

The worst just being two days ago, when the electric co. called back to answer my questions about just how they were going to implement the smart gridthey are adding to our area. :( At this point it will be voluntary, but the nation is going to go that way mandatory eventually, for all on the grid. :(

Anyway, I got the worst zap on the phone than ever then. It was like I was holding a high SAR phone right by me. Disrupted my nervous system for a while after. Made me nauseous, and as happens when I get a strong zap, makes feel like crying for no reason, other than the nervous system has been disrupted.

Being home I applied bentonite all on the side of my head neck and body that got it, and it did seem to calm things down much, much quicker than when I can not do that.

Oh, and I am considering trying some of the radiation absorbing chips, or deflector screens for cells on the ear piece of my land line. I'm hoping it may reduce the incoming problem for me.

Good luck. :)

~ Snoshoe

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