Re: Stetzer Meter

I'm doing some catching up.  

Back in May, Paul Coffman wrote:
"The numbers on the meters don't mean anything - if you buy 2 of them,
one
meter will give you a different reading than the other. They just basically
measure what the filters do to your wires."

We all know that the filters don't do anything to your wires, right?  

I asked Dave Stetzer to comment, and he says:

"The microsurge meter measures the average rectified value of the rate of
change of voltage at the outlet.

It does it by measuring the current through a capacitor that has the voltage
at the outlet across it, then rectifying this current, and the averaging this
rectified current over about a one second interval.

The meter is made up of electronic components.  Electronic components
all have a tolerance band.  The meters use the best at plus or minus 5%
tolerance.  That would explain why two meters are not reading exactly
the same."

The fact that two meters do not give precisely the same reading is not
important. What is important is reducing the amount of electrical pollution to
a level that does not create ES symptoms.

Paul Coffmann also said that some people feel worse after installing
Stetzer filters. Paul, have you got research regarding this?

The research done by Dr. Havas did indeed show a small number of people
who felt worse after the filters were installed, while a great number felt
better. However, there is no particular iondication lthat the small number who
felt worse did so because of the filters.

If you ask a large group of people, over a several week period, whether
they feel better or worse, some of them will always have felt worse, because
they got a cold or partied too hard, or whatever...

To date, the research shows that filtering with the Stetzer filters
results in significant health improvement in most people, and tremendous
improvement for some. (For instance, people with diabetes who no longer need insulin,
and people with MS whose symptoms disappear. There has been no indication
that the filters have caused anyone a negative experience.


Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com



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Also back in May, Marc wrote:
"The Stetzer filters are supposed to work "best" from 4khz - 100khz,
which makes me wonder what they are doing outside of that range..."

They work best in that range because most electrical pollution is in
that range, so Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer designed the filters to deal with it.


If you have an oscilloscope, you can see the frequencies of electrical
pollution, and watch it disappear as filters are plugged in.

It sounds as if Marc might be implying that outside of that range the
filters are doing something that might be harmful. They are not. The
Stetzer filters create no frequencies, as you can see for yourself on an
oscilloscope.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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> Paul Coffmann also said that some people feel worse after installing
> Stetzer filters. Paul, have you got research regarding this?

Several years ago, there was some research posted on a website -- it
may have been the Stetzerizer site itself. They had placed the filters
in a room (a classroom, perhaps?), and then had people fill out
questionnaires about how their health was. Some of the people felt
better, some felt the same, and some worse. Whoever was summarizing
this research was trying to make it look like most of the people
felt better. However, I looked at the raw numbers myself, and was
surprised by the large percentage of people who felt worse or no
different. I didn't feel that the people who were summarizing these
studies were being honest, because the raw data was less favorable
than they claimed it was.

In my own case, I felt that the Stetzer filters
made things worse, so that's all the research that I cared about.
I've tried several other filters on the market, and some also
make me feel worse, while others lower the readings on the
Stetzerizer meter without making me feel worse.

Marc

> It sounds as if Marc might be implying that outside of that range
> the filters are doing something that might be harmful. They are not.
> The Stetzer filters create no frequencies, as you can see for yourself on an
> oscilloscope.

Actually, I *was* implying that the filters might be doing something
harmful outside of that range. I was implying that because of the
extreme agitation the filters caused me after being plugged in.
If I'm being agitated by the filters, then could be doing something
harmful. Whether that can be seen on your oscilloscope, I do
not know. I suppose that depends on what range of frequencies
you looked at on the oscilloscope, and if you can see how the
waveforms have changed as the noise is being reduced.

And while Shivani has been using just the Stetzerizer filters,
I have instead tried multiple filters from multiple vendors, using
different technologies. Some of these filters are just as bad
as the Stetzer filters, while others don't cause me any problems
at all. And yes, some even make me feel better, although I have
no idea what they'd look like on your oscilloscope... :-)

And on the Furman website, they talk about how cheap filter
designs can reduce noise in one frequency range while boosting
it another range. So I found it quite interesting when I tried
their power strip with "linear filtering", and had none of the
same problems that I had with the Stetzer filters. Of course,
that power strip also cost a lot more than a Stetzer filter...

Marc

> "The microsurge meter measures the average rectified value of the rate of
> change of voltage at the outlet.

Does anyone know what sampling rate is used for the Stetzerizer meter?
It seems to me that different sampling rates would emphasize noise in
different frequency ranges. Did they choose a sampling rate that
would emphasize the detection of noise in the 4 khz - 100 khz range?

Marc

Shivani writes:
> There has been no indication
> that the filters have caused anyone a negative experience.

This statement clearly shows bias, as I have seen negative
reactions to the Stetzer filters reported both here and
another discussion group (the other being a group for
heavy metal poisoning).

It's great that the Stetzer filters help some people, but
there is no need to cover up the occasional bad reaction.

Marc

If you feel worse it could be the magnetic field. They do draw current
("reactive" so it doesn't actually use energy and I'm told does not increase
your electric bill). There's also a tiny dissipative current.

I'm thinking that if you're very sensitive to 60Hz magnetic fields compared
to kHz electric fields, they may make you feel worse. But there is reason
to think that as long as you stay away from the wires carrying the reactive
current,
a benefit seems more likely--
the high frequencies may tend to escape into the room more than the low
frequencies.

Bill

On 8/21/07, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> But there is reason to think that as long as you stay away from
> the wires carrying the reactive current, a benefit seems more likely

Yes, when I had a bad reaction to the Stetzer filter, I was fairly
close to it. So perhaps if I used these in an area of the house
that I'm rarely in (e.g., next to the fuse box), my results would
be better. However, I already have a PSAudio Noise Harvester
there, which has never caused me any adverse effects, and has
the nice feature that you can see when there is a lot
of noise on the power lines just by looking at it (it flashes
rapidly when there is a lot of noise, and not at all when there's
not).

Marc