Re: Rea Dallas clinic

John wrote:
Dr. Rea is unaware of electrical pollution?!
He published a study on ES back in 1991.
According to Robert O. Becker's book CROSS CURRENTS, Rea has ES.

Shivani responds:
I am unaware of any indication that Dr. Becker was aware of the fact
that harmful frequencies are present in utility-provided electricity and are thus
broadcast from the circuits in our buildings. This, specifically, is what
I am referring to. Electrical pollution is "dirty electricity," a polluted
product. We pay for and expect clean 50 or 60 Hz, but along with that is
delivered the "pollultion."
Certainly, electrical pollution is not mentioned in Cross Currents.
Nor have I seen any reference to it in interviews with Dr. Becker.
So far as I know, Dr. Rea is not aware of this problem yet. Just
yesterday someone called me who said she, too, had an ES friend who traveled to
his Dallas clinic and was put up in their housing, only to discover that it had
a high level of electrical pollution.
If anyone will be visiting there, I suggest he/she take along a
Stetzerizer surgemeter and actually meter the circuits in the provided housing.
Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com


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Hi all,

For years, I've kept our bedroom warm during the winter using
an electric space heater containing coils and a fan ("Vornado"
brand). This seemed to not be working well anymore, so I went
out and bought a new oil-filled radiator ("Delonghi" brand).
Surprisingly, I find that I'm getting adverse symptoms from
this, where I never had adverse symptoms from the previous
space heater. Symptoms include "burning face", winces of
pain throughout my body, nausea, headache. I don't know
if this is electrical related, or perhaps off-gassing of
chemicals. Also, I'm not sure why this should bother me
when the previous space heater didn't. (they are being
run in the same environment, at about the same wattage).

I checked a nearby outlet with the Stetzerizer meter, and
it shows no increase in noise with the radiator on.

Marc

I would suggest that the problem is likely to be offgassing of paint and
other protective materials. Sue had very similar problems when we turned on
a new oil-filled radiator recently. Conversely, she has never had problems
with similar older units which no longer offgas. Another thing that gave
problems was when we bought a portable electric hotplate to try to avoid
using the gas hob; the plastic surface gave off fumes which she reacted to,
even after several attempts at heating the unit to offgas it.
Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 29 November 2006 17:57
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] oil-filled radiator space heaters?



Hi all,

For years, I've kept our bedroom warm during the winter using
an electric space heater containing coils and a fan ("Vornado"
brand). This seemed to not be working well anymore, so I went
out and bought a new oil-filled radiator ("Delonghi" brand).
Surprisingly, I find that I'm getting adverse symptoms from
this, where I never had adverse symptoms from the previous
space heater. Symptoms include "burning face", winces of
pain throughout my body, nausea, headache. I don't know
if this is electrical related, or perhaps off-gassing of
chemicals. Also, I'm not sure why this should bother me
when the previous space heater didn't. (they are being
run in the same environment, at about the same wattage).

I checked a nearby outlet with the Stetzerizer meter, and
it shows no increase in noise with the radiator on.

Marc


 


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Ian Kemp wrote:
> I would suggest that the problem is likely to be offgassing of paint and
> other protective materials. Sue had very similar problems when we turned on
> a new oil-filled radiator recently.

Okay, thanks! I'll work on getting it to offgas (in a ventilated area!), and
see if my reaction to it goes away.

Marc

On Nov 29, 2006, at 17:06, [hidden email] wrote:

> John wrote:
> Dr. Rea is unaware of electrical pollution?!
> He published a study on ES back in 1991.
> According to Robert O. Becker's book CROSS CURRENTS, Rea has ES.
>
> Shivani responds:
>
> So far as I know, Dr. Rea is not aware of this problem yet.

Erm, Shivani,

May I suggest that you do a wee bit of research first. "Rea Dallas
electrical sensitivities" in Google got me these:

http://www.ehcd.com/
The Environmental Health Center-Dallas, Texas medically tests and
treats human health problems including sensitivities to pollens, molds,
dust, foods, chemicals, air (indoor/outdoor), water, electrical
(electromagnetic- EMF) sensitivity and many more health problems as
they relate to our environment.

3. Rea, William J., MD, FACS, et al. Electromagnetic Field Sensitivity.
Journal of Bioelectricity, Vol. 10 (1 and 2), 1991, pp. 241-256.
cited many places, abstract at:
http://www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html

"Dr. William Rea from Texas ... is the world expert on electric
sensitivity. His first electrically sensitive patients were
agricultural workers who had been exposed to pesticides. This puts the
attention on chemicals as the possible cause of electric sensitivity.
Many in Sweden have long suspected that flame-retardants from new
computers (they leak more in the beginning) in combination with
electromagnetic fields have caused electric sensitivity."
Leif Sodergren, FEB (The Swedish Association for the Electrosensitive)
http://www.feb.se/ARTICLES/YouAreNotAlone.html

I know about Dr. Rea's work. Fine work. All that he knows and has
done does not, however, mean that he understands the issue of electrical
pollution, which is harmful high frequencies being broadcast from the electrical
circuits of buildings.
There is no indication that he understands this, either in what I have
read of his work or in what people have reported about being very negatively
affected by the electrical pollution present in the guest housing at his clinic.
Most EMF remediators are aware of this issue, either. I have spoken
with people who have had a great many things done to their homes by such
specialists who did not understand that it is FREQUENCY, not field strength, that is
the real problem and what must be addressed. In some cases the things that
were done by these specialists actually made things worse, as they created new
pathways for the high frequency currents to flow on and be broadcast from.
Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com




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Hi Shivani:

So that I may have a better idea of what you are talking about, will
you please tell me exactly what frequency range to which you are
referring when you have been writing about the deletrious effects of
"high frequencies" when found on AC power wiring? Thanks!

And, BTW, I agree with you and Charles (and with other posters to
this list group who have made the same point) in your assertions that
harmful effects of EMF (at least for those persons who are sensitive)
are not necessarily correlated linearly with signal strength.

with care,
--Vinny

At 09:16 PM 12/1/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
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Hi Marc:
If your symptoms are due to offgassing of surface chemicals (finishes) which
is common with many new appliances then the effect should decrease with
time. In order to speed up the process you could perform a "bakeout" which
means turning up the appliance wattage as high as it will go and ventilating
the area with preferably outdoor air (not recirculated) for a couple of
days. This may mean placing the unit on your porch if you have one.
Obviously not the best time of year for doing this.
You didn't mention whether there was any odour. This is not too important as
many chemicals have odour thresholds (concentrations) which are higher than
the air concentrations at which many people first experience symptoms of
exposure.
There should of course be no leakage of gas or liquid from within the unit
as it is a closed system.
If the symptoms persist there could be a problem with leakage from within
the unit.
Ray
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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: [eSens] oil-filled radiator space heaters?

Hi Marc:

One thing that can help tremendously in the case of toxic offgassing
is to spray EM culture (straight, i.e., neat) from a misting-type
hand sprayer to treat the air. Almost all of the toxins produced by
offgassing are toxic oxidative free radicals, either in vapor form or
in a very tiny particulate form suspended in air. The antioxidants
and electron relay compounds in the EM -- both in liquid
micro-droplet phase and in vapor phase -- act to instantly neutralize
most of these oxidative free radicals via redox reactions and
disproportionation reactions.

Of course, EM is a brownish-reddish liquid, so be sure not to spray
it so close to walls or furniture that you inadvertently stain anything!

For this task, I would most recommend the "EM Plus" culture from SCD,
at www.scdworld.com Please feel free (this applies to anyone on this
list group) to use my discount code of VP2004 to get a (7%, I
believe...) discount on product prices. While this culture costs a
bit more per ounce (or gallon) than SCD's other two EM cultures, it
has more of the relevant antioxidants in it... Since I earn much of
my living advising large corporations and municipalities arond the
world how to use this (EM) liquid to control toxic airborne gases and
to treat toxic and industrial waste, I figure I would be remiss if I
did not at least mention this option to you!

Of course, many folks, including myself, drink EM culture daily as
well, for the dual health benefits offered by the
antioxidants/electron relay compounds and by the beneficial
Paleolithic-era microbes found in it.

with care,
--Vinny

At 09:31 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
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phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
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Hello,

I have just written an article about that.

*Normal* people, fullfilling to some properties, may get electrosensible
when exposed to 200-2.000 uW/m2.
However, the main bulk of people, some 75 % do not have any adverse
reactions to those values.
Only when the values go over 10.000-20.000 uW/m2, they may have adverse
health reations.
Here, there is a dose-response matter.

The other part, the *abnormal* people, some 25 %, which are already
electrosensible, may have adverse health complaints at 1 uW/m2, but not
always.
It has to do with their *biological window*, and that is very different for
every person.

I know persons, who have succeeded in conquering the electrosensibility.
They do not have health complaints in the vicinity of mobile phone masts (to
which they reacted heavily before).
They are not bothered by most of the DECT phones.

I have witnessed that strong DECT signals did not provoke a complaint (they
were felt, but that was all), but with some other DECT signals, which were
very weak, some problems occurred, like one leg suddenly refusing, and the
person falls on the ground.
Typically, some elderly persons do find themselves suddenly lying on the
floor, without no apparent reason.
But there was a DECT phone nearby.

So a dose-response is not the case here.

Electrosensibles may *respond* to some very weak signals, hardly measurable,
but they are not bothered to some other strong signals.

This is also the case with the *dirty power* in the mains.

Elektrosmog is a large family of disturbing different sources.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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