Re: Metal Bed

If you have ES, best to change to wood and a non-spring mattress.
Helen

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, khandalah <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> Hi there, is there anyway to ground a metal bed frame so that it is not an
> EMF conductor?
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Yes true, unfort i have mcs and have not been able to tolerate even the organic wood base i bought unfort. The mattress is metal free i think  

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On 2011-01-07 20:56:48 +1100 Helen Murphy <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi there, is there anyway to ground a metal bed frame so that it is not an
> EMF conductor?

You could try buying a grounding cable (like those sold at lessemf.com), and
attach one end to the bed frame and plug the other end into the grounding hole
of a nearby power outlet, and see if that helps.  I don't know if that would
help or not -- I don't think many people have tried this.

Marc

I don't think grounding the metal bed frame will stop it from becoming a conductor, and by grounding it, you might also become a target for nearby electrical fields, which might worsen your problem.

The following webpage advises changing the bedframe to non-metallic.
http://www.emfrelief.com/emf.html

If the metal frame is one continuous piece, with no non-conductive parts in between, then any electrical source close to any part of the frame may carry that charge across the entire frame.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> I don't think grounding the metal bed frame will stop it from becoming a
> conductor, and by grounding it, you might also become a target for nearby
> electrical fields, which might worsen your problem.

Well, the only way to know for sure is to try it and see.  :-)

I've got one of the "Earthing" ground pads, and despite the advertising
claims, I found that when my body makes direct contact with the pad,
I feel worse (not better).  However, if I merely have the pad
surrounding the bed (without me making any contact with it), that
seems to cause a slight improvement in how I sleep and feel in the
morning.  

I could spend a lot of time coming up with various theories
about why this would or would not work, but none of that
really matters -- what matters is how you feel.

And a grounding cord is a lot cheaper than a wood frame,
so it seems like a good place to start... :-)

Marc

I think we need to make sure it's sealed all around. I have a all wood dresser from Ikea, the outside is fine for me but the inside bothers me because it is not finished. Of course the finish itself has to be good for mcs
Steve

--- In [hidden email], Dana S <candalah@...> wrote:

Off this topic, but I really need to find something to help me cope with the smart meters and I went back over the products you had mentioned and I am interested in trying the earth Calm products. I don't remember if you found that they helped or not, or made it worse?
Thanks,
Steve

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> Off this topic, but I really need to find something to help me cope
> with the smart meters and I went back over the products you had
> mentioned and I am interested in trying the earth Calm products. I
> don't remember if you found that they helped or not, or made it worse?

It depends on who you ask... :-)

Gilligan Joy has a website for overcoming electrical sensitivity, and he
swore by the Earthcalm stuff.

Me?  I find the Earthcalm stuff rather overpowering, so it becomes
difficult to judge its effectiveness when you can't tolerate wearing
"the solution".  :-)

I do actually use the plug-in Earthcalm units at both my workplace and
at home these days (in addition to everything else!), but I have them on
timers, so they are only active about 30% of the time.

Have you tried any stuff from Quantum Products for the Smart Meters? I
agree that there seems to be electronics that no device seems to help
with -- I've had zero success with finding a solution that makes a Blu-
ray player acceptable...(although perhaps there is a good Blu-ray
player out there... somewhere)

Marc

I'm actually trying to decide between the earthcalm and quantum home.
I was going to try the quantum autosense and see if it actually increased the MPG like they say it does and see if i feel any different.
Although at this point I'm ready to just jump into something for home use and try it. Can't decide between the 2 though.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> I'm actually trying to decide between the earthcalm and quantum home.
> I was going to try the quantum autosense and see if it actually increased
> the MPG like they say it does and see if i feel any different.

I could feel an obvious difference with the Quantum Auto Clear back
when I was much more sensitive, but these days I can't really tell
that it's doing anything (that is probably to be expected).  Also,
my car's gas mileage is nothing out of the ordinary...

> Although at this point I'm ready to just jump into something for home use
> and try it. Can't decide between the 2 though.

Well, of course there are lots of products on the market -- we've
seen a few folks notice a little improvement from the Q-Link pendants,
and I've had luck with several different things -- Quantum Products,
Earthcalm, Springlife Polarizers, Personal Polarizers (cutcat.com),
Mega-Chi pendant, etc.

Marc

I guess I'll just have to try something and see how it goes. I'm thinking of starting with the Earthcalm Home System and then the pendant.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Hi, Steve,
 
I have the Quantum Pro (my house with the basement is slightly over 2000sq ft and the Quantum Home works for under either 1200 or 1500sq ft, I forget which).  You have to get the proper size for your house or it will not work correctly, especially if you need to have the dial maxed out.  Anyway, I love my Q Pro; it works well for me.  
 
Marc will tell you the same: the Quantums work for some people; the Earthcalms work for some people.  Nobody does the same on these gadgets.  I do think there is a learning curve plus detox reactions, with the Quantums, that you have to get thru; and I am not sure to what extent people give up on them before they reach the end-goal.  You cannot buy this product and be satisfied with the results the very next day after you get it; it is, infact, likely to take 4 to 6 weeks to know whether you like this product.  But when I bought mine, it had a 60 day return policy.  (I don't know whether that is the same now or not.)  I also liked that I could call the company and ask copious questions, which I did.  I ordered over the phone and the rep, Marji, was very helpful even when I made multiple calls back. 
 
Remember when you get it home you need to go slowly; it caused me massive brain fog and utter clumsiness.  I tried finding the optimum setting for me the first day I received the QPro and found it in about 60 to 90 minutes of playing around with the settings.  However, I didn't follow the instructions to leave it there only an hour or less and then turn it off.  (You can either increase the time you use it or increase the setting, over a month or so, to accustom your body to the frequency it puts out.)   Due to the brain-fog and clumsiness it caused, I cut my hand severely and required surgery.  So don't be dumb like me and try to go too quickly.  Follow the directions if you get one, okay?  Don't let this scare you away from the Quantums, tho. They are completely safe if you use them as the company tells you too.
 
I wish you the best, whichever device you get,
Diane   

--- On Sat, 1/8/11, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: torch369 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Metal Bed (Earth Calm Products)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 7:08 PM


 



I'm actually trying to decide between the earthcalm and quantum home.
I was going to try the quantum autosense and see if it actually increased the MPG like they say it does and see if i feel any different.
Although at this point I'm ready to just jump into something for home use and try it. Can't decide between the 2 though.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:








     

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Hi Diane,
Thanks for the info. I am leaning towards trying the earth calm as there are no settings to mess with, its a little less money and a 90 day return policy which gives an extra 30 days to determine if it works or not.
If I end up with the Quantum i will do what you said.
Thanks,
Steve

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

> Thanks for the info. I am leaning towards trying the earth calm as there
> are no settings to mess with, its a little less money and a 90 day return
> policy which gives an extra 30 days to determine if it works or not.

I actually like having settings... allows you to find a level that is
workable for you.  Like I said, due to the lack of settings on the
Earthcalm Home, I had to buy a timer to turn it on/off throughout
the day.

Marc

True, OK now I don't know what to do!
A usual situation for me

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> True, OK now I don't know what to do!
> A usual situation for me

I'd start with inexpensive items before trying expensive
ones...

For example: $22
  http://www.cutcat.com/item/Pocket_Polarizer/827/c44

Or: $29
  http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

I find both of these items to be helpful -- and cheap!

And if you notice nothing from the $29 quantum products
item, then that would indicate to me that you may not
notice anything from the $495 quantum products item.

Marc

I have a $29 quantum. Don't feel much from it but I have my fridge plugged into it and it seems to calm the noises a little.I have the software as well and dont notice much, thats why I'm leaning to trying the earthcalm (90 day return policy is good too)
The $22 copper thing seems interesting, did it help you at all?


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> I have a $29 quantum. Don't feel much from it but I have my fridge
> plugged into it and it seems to calm the noises a little.I have the
> software as well and dont notice much,

Ahh, well if you do notice a little something from $29 quantum
(and you're sure it's not your imagination!), then it's possible
you'll notice a lot more from the more expensive ones.  Of course,
an alternate way to do this is just order more of the $29 ones
and spread them throughout the house.

> The $22 copper thing seems interesting, did it help you at all?

Yes, I do find that helpful... more helpful than many other more
expensive devices I've ordered over the years.  However, I don't
think anyone else on eSens has tried this...?

Marc

According to quantum the outlet device is more to calm the appliance plugged into it than a whole house affect.
I hadn't heard of that other device until you mentioned it. I guess I can give it a shot for that low price.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> According to quantum the outlet device is more to calm the appliance
> plugged into it than a whole house affect.

Yes, but since it does something to the electricity going into that
appliance, it also has some impact on the electricity throughout
the rest of the house.  Regardless of what the company says.  :-)

In my really sensitive days (10 years ago), I found that the whole house
felt different by having 3 of these plugged in at the high-EMF areas
of the house (e.g. by the computers, by the TV, and by the space heater).

Marc