I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
(Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to reply to comments made in #1821. Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger than that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and what frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity. Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say something, so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national average is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created. I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. Only one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we hit a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like it, to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and also having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The neutral is overloaded. When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will send just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand that if there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be overworked and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating that it's working too hard. Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this is why the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what difference each additional filter makes. Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency." Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain? Regards, Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com ... ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Hello,
my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at mainly 50 Hz. We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA. Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station through the ground, wh do not have overhere. There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But have never seen one! In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work fine. For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the disturbances in the mains. Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements. The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters > I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here. > (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to > reply to > comments made in #1821. > > Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger > than > that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range > after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and > what > frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity. > > Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He > was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say > something, > so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national > average > is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own > circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created. > > I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. > Only > one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we > hit > a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like > it, > to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and > also > having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The > neutral is > overloaded. > > When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can > make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will > send > just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be > enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand > that if > there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be > overworked > and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating > that > it's working too hard. > > Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often > less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this > is why > the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what > difference each additional filter makes. > > Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency." > Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain? > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
The tests done in Canada showed that the current drawn by a
Stetzer filter is not a nice sine wave. It is distorted. That doesn't really matter if the filter is closer to the service entrance than it is to you, but if you're near the filter, it is possible you could be sensitive. William Rea's paper shows different people are sensitive to different frequencies. The Stetzer Filter is just a single, large, cheap capacitor (with a bleed resistor of safety when unplugged). It was not tuned to any frequency range, there is nothing to tune. And as has been said before, it cannot help with common mode noise. Bill On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:09 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello, > > my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at > > mainly 50 Hz. > We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA. > Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the > station > through the ground, wh do not have overhere. > > There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. > But > have never seen one! > > In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is > > free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work > fine. > For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter > out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the > disturbances in the mains. > > Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is > different > from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements. > The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[hidden email] <SArjuna%40aol.com>> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters > > > I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here. > > (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to > > reply to > > comments made in #1821. > > > > Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger > > than > > that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range > > after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and > > what > > frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity. > > > > Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He > > was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say > > something, > > so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national > > average > > is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own > > circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created. > > > > I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. > > Only > > one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we > > hit > > a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like > > > it, > > to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and > > also > > having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The > > neutral is > > overloaded. > > > > When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can > > make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will > > > send > > just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not > be > > enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand > > that if > > there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be > > overworked > > and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating > > > that > > it's working too hard. > > > > Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often > > less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this > > is why > > the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what > > difference each additional filter makes. > > > > Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency." > > Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain? > > > > Regards, > > Shivani Arjuna > > www.LifeEnergies.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ************** > > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > > Holiday needs. Search Now. > > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Charles
I tried to access the Sept 08 issue of Het Bitje (english language) but wasnot able to - I'm really keen on this article about use of GS filters in Europe - would you be able to post a link to it? Regards Steph --- On Sun, 9/11/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 10:09 AM Hello, my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at mainly 50 Hz. We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA. Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station through the ground, wh do not have overhere. There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But have never seen one! In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work fine. For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the disturbances in the mains. Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements. The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <SArjuna@aol. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters > I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here. > (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to > reply to > comments made in #1821. > > Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger > than > that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range > after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and > what > frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity. > > Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He > was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say > something, > so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national > average > is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own > circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created. > > I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. > Only > one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we > hit > a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like > it, > to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and > also > having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The > neutral is > overloaded. > > When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can > make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will > send > just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be > enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand > that if > there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be > overworked > and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating > that > it's working too hard. > > Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often > less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this > is why > the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what > difference each additional filter makes. > > Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency." > Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain? > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ************ ** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121279 2382x1200798498/ aol?redir= http://searchblo g.aol.com/ 2008/11/04/ happy-holidays- from > -aol-search/ ?ncid=emlcntusse ar00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
That is:
http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE2809_1n.pdf and http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE2809_2n.pdf Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Smith" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters Hi Charles I tried to access the Sept 08 issue of Het Bitje (english language) but was not able to - I'm really keen on this article about use of GS filters in Europe - would you be able to post a link to it? Regards Steph --- On Sun, 9/11/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 10:09 AM Hello, my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at mainly 50 Hz. We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA. Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station through the ground, wh do not have overhere. There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But have never seen one! In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work fine. For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the disturbances in the mains. Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements. The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <SArjuna@aol. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters > I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here. > (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to > reply to > comments made in #1821. > > Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger > than > that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range > after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and > what > frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity. > > Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He > was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say > something, > so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national > average > is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own > circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created. > > I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. > Only > one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we > hit > a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like > it, > to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and > also > having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The > neutral is > overloaded. > > When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can > make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will > send > just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be > enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand > that if > there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be > overworked > and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating > that > it's working too hard. > > Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often > less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this > is why > the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what > difference each additional filter makes. > > Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency." > Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain? > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ************ ** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121279 2382x1200798498/ > aol?redir= http://searchblo g.aol.com/ 2008/11/04/ happy-holidays- from > -aol-search/ ?ncid=emlcntusse ar00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
Thanks Charles
--- On Fri, 14/11/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, 14 November, 2008, 10:46 PM That is: http://www.hetbitje .nl/bitjeE2809_ 1n.pdf and http://www.hetbitje .nl/bitjeE2809_ 2n.pdf Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters Hi Charles I tried to access the Sept 08 issue of Het Bitje (english language) but was not able to - I'm really keen on this article about use of GS filters in Europe - would you be able to post a link to it? Regards Steph --- On Sun, 9/11/08, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote: From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 10:09 AM Hello, my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at mainly 50 Hz. We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA. Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station through the ground, wh do not have overhere. There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But have never seen one! In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work fine. For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the disturbances in the mains. Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements. The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: <SArjuna@aol. com> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters > I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here. > (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to > reply to > comments made in #1821. > > Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger > than > that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range > after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and > what > frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity. > > Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He > was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say > something, > so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national > average > is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own > circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created. > > I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. > Only > one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we > hit > a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like > it, > to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and > also > having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The > neutral is > overloaded. > > When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can > make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will > send > just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be > enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand > that if > there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be > overworked > and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating > that > it's working too hard. > > Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often > less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this > is why > the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what > difference each additional filter makes. > > Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency." > Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain? > > Regards, > Shivani Arjuna > www.LifeEnergies. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ************ ** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121279 2382x1200798498/ > aol?redir= http://searchblo g.aol.com/ 2008/11/04/ happy-holidays- from > -aol-search/ ?ncid=emlcntusse ar00000001) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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