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Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

SArjuna
I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
(Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to reply to
comments made in #1821.

Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger than
that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range
after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and what
frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity.

Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He
was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say something,
so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national average
is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own
circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created.

I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed. Only
one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we hit
a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like it,
to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and also
having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The neutral is
overloaded.

When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can
make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will send
just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be
enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand that if
there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be overworked
and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating that
it's working too hard.

Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often
less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this is why
the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what
difference each additional filter makes.

Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency."
Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain?

Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com













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Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

charles-4
Hello,

my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at
mainly 50 Hz.
We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA.
Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station
through the ground, wh do not have overhere.

There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But
have never seen one!

In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is
free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work
fine.
For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter
out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the
disturbances in the mains.

Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different
from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements.
The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender


----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters


> I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
> (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to
> reply to
> comments made in #1821.
>
> Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger
> than
> that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range
> after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and
> what
> frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity.
>
> Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He
> was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say
> something,
> so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national
> average
> is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own
> circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created.
>
> I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed.
> Only
> one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we
> hit
> a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like
> it,
> to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and
> also
> having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The
> neutral is
> overloaded.
>
> When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can
> make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will
> send
> just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be
> enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand
> that if
> there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be
> overworked
> and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating
> that
> it's working too hard.
>
> Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often
> less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this
> is why
> the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what
> difference each additional filter makes.
>
> Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency."
> Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain?
>
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
> **************
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> Holiday needs. Search Now.
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Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

BiBrun
The tests done in Canada showed that the current drawn by a
Stetzer filter is not a nice sine wave. It is distorted. That doesn't
really matter if the filter is closer to the service entrance than it is to
you,
but if you're near the filter, it is possible you could be sensitive.
William Rea's paper shows different people are sensitive to different
frequencies.

The Stetzer Filter is just a single, large, cheap capacitor (with a bleed
resistor of
safety when unplugged). It was not tuned to any frequency range, there is
nothing to tune. And as has been said before, it cannot help with common
mode noise.

Bill

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:09 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at
>
> mainly 50 Hz.
> We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA.
> Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the
> station
> through the ground, wh do not have overhere.
>
> There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense.
> But
> have never seen one!
>
> In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is
>
> free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work
> fine.
> For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter
> out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the
> disturbances in the mains.
>
> Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is
> different
> from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements.
> The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[hidden email] <SArjuna%40aol.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters
>
> > I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
> > (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to
> > reply to
> > comments made in #1821.
> >
> > Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger
> > than
> > that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range
> > after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and
> > what
> > frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity.
> >
> > Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He
> > was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say
> > something,
> > so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national
> > average
> > is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own
> > circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created.
> >
> > I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed.
> > Only
> > one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we
> > hit
> > a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like
>
> > it,
> > to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and
> > also
> > having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The
> > neutral is
> > overloaded.
> >
> > When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can
> > make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will
>
> > send
> > just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not
> be
> > enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand
> > that if
> > there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be
> > overworked
> > and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating
>
> > that
> > it's working too hard.
> >
> > Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often
> > less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this
> > is why
> > the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what
> > difference each additional filter makes.
> >
> > Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency."
> > Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shivani Arjuna
> > www.LifeEnergies.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

Steph Smith
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Hi Charles
 
I tried to access the Sept 08 issue of Het Bitje (english language) but wasnot able to - I'm really keen on this article about use of GS filters in Europe - would you be able to post a link to it?
 
Regards
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 9/11/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 10:09 AM






Hello,

my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at
mainly 50 Hz.
We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA.
Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station
through the ground, wh do not have overhere.

There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But
have never seen one!

In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is
free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work
fine.
For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter
out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the
disturbances in the mains.

Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different
from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements.
The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: <SArjuna@aol. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

> I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
> (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to
> reply to
> comments made in #1821.
>
> Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger
> than
> that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range
> after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and
> what
> frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity.
>
> Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He
> was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say
> something,
> so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national
> average
> is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own
> circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created.
>
> I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed.
> Only
> one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we
> hit
> a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like
> it,
> to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and
> also
> having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The
> neutral is
> overloaded.
>
> When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can
> make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will
> send
> just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be
> enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand
> that if
> there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be
> overworked
> and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating
> that
> it's working too hard.
>
> Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often
> less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this
> is why
> the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what
> difference each additional filter makes.
>
> Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency."
> Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain?
>
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies. com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
> ************ **
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> Holiday needs. Search Now.
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Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

charles-4
That is:

http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE2809_1n.pdf
and
http://www.hetbitje.nl/bitjeE2809_2n.pdf

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters


Hi Charles

I tried to access the Sept 08 issue of Het Bitje (english language) but was
not able to - I'm really keen on this article about use of GS filters in
Europe - would you be able to post a link to it?

Regards

Steph

--- On Sun, 9/11/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 10:09 AM






Hello,

my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at
mainly 50 Hz.
We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA.
Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station
through the ground, wh do not have overhere.

There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But
have never seen one!

In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is
free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work
fine.
For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter
out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the
disturbances in the mains.

Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different
from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements.
The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: <SArjuna@aol. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

> I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
> (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to
> reply to
> comments made in #1821.
>
> Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger
> than
> that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range
> after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and
> what
> frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity.
>
> Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He
> was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say
> something,
> so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national
> average
> is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own
> circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created.
>
> I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed.
> Only
> one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we
> hit
> a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like
> it,
> to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and
> also
> having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The
> neutral is
> overloaded.
>
> When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can
> make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will
> send
> just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be
> enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand
> that if
> there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be
> overworked
> and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating
> that
> it's working too hard.
>
> Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often
> less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this
> is why
> the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what
> difference each additional filter makes.
>
> Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency."
> Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain?
>
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies. com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
> ************ **
> AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other
> Holiday needs. Search Now.
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Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

Steph Smith
Thanks Charles

--- On Fri, 14/11/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 14 November, 2008, 10:46 PM






That is:

http://www.hetbitje .nl/bitjeE2809_ 1n.pdf
and
http://www.hetbitje .nl/bitjeE2809_ 2n.pdf

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephanie Smith" <reader41@ymail. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

Hi Charles

I tried to access the Sept 08 issue of Het Bitje (english language) but was
not able to - I'm really keen on this article about use of GS filters in
Europe - would you be able to post a link to it?

Regards

Steph

--- On Sun, 9/11/08, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote:

From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 9 November, 2008, 10:09 AM

Hello,

my remarks must be seen from my European background, where we have 230 V at
mainly 50 Hz.
We also do have a much better electricity network than in the USA.
Especially in Winconsin, where 70 % of the current flows back to the station
through the ground, wh do not have overhere.

There are people, who say that those filters are *rubbish* and nonsense. But
have never seen one!

In my issue of *het bitje* September 2008, also the english issue, which is
free downloadable, I have tested and proved, that those filters do work
fine.
For those tests, Dave Stetzer supplied me with a special filter to filter
out the 50 Hz and its accompanying waves, in order to see only the
disturbances in the mains.

Contrary to earlier bad samples, the new European filter (which is different
from the American one) now is in fine condition and meet all requirements.
The condensator inside now is adapted for the 230 V.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: <SArjuna@aol. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:57 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Mapping gorund current/Stetzer filters

> I've once again been too busy to keep up with the conversation here.
> (Harvesting crops, building a new root cellar...) However I'd like to
> reply to
> comments made in #1821.
>
> Charles mentioned that the range of some of the larger filters is larger
> than
> that of the Stetzer filters. Dr. Graham and Dave Stetzer chose the range
> after researching what frequencies cause ES people to have symptoms and
> what
> frequencies are common in the US's dirty electricity.
>
> Dave does not say that that at least 20 filters are needed in the US. He
> was asked so many times how many a house needs that he needed to say
> something,
> so he said that the average house needs 20. Of course, the national
> average
> is not what one needs to know. One needs to know how much his/her own
> circuits need. That's why the Steterizer meter was created.
>
> I have found a number of situations where only 5 filters were needed.
> Only
> one in which no filters were needed. Our own house has 35, at which we
> hit
> a plateau of improvement without getting the reading down where we'd like
> it,
> to 20. This is due to our being at the end of a substation line and
> also
> having a large cheese factory on our line. Bad news, indeed. The
> neutral is
> overloaded.
>
> When people want to order one filter from me (which Charles mentioned can
> make a difference felt by very sensitive people), I tell them that I will
> send
> just one only if they let me know that they understand that one may not be
> enough to make the difference they need, and that they also understand
> that if
> there is a lot of dirty electricity in that circuit the filter may be
> overworked
> and it would be good to pull it out if it makes audible noise, indicating
> that
> it's working too hard.
>
> Charles says that " a number of max five filters will do the trick, often
> less." Not in most homes I hav checked in Wisconsin, USA! Again, this
> is why
> the Stetzerizer meter was created. Only if you meter will you know what
> difference each additional filter makes.
>
> Bill Bruno said that a Stetzer filter "distorts the 60 Hz frequency."
> Whatever do you mean by this, Bill? Please explain?
>
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
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