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SArjuna

Re: Hot spots from underfloor wiring

Aline wrote:

> I can hardly stand being in the kitchen - just realised that where I
> stand to prepare food there are readings of up to 8 mg when the
> fridge and lights are on, 10 mg when the oven is on too (this spot is
> not near any of these appliances - it's coming from wiring under the
> floor)
>
> We found readings of up to 20 mg in the ceiling underneath where
> wires run.
>
> Even though my husband has noticed that he gets fluttering in his
> heart when watching TV (readings at the couch are up to 5 mg
> depending on what is switched on) he still regularly goes back
> to 'Maybe these readings are normal'.
>
> There are no hot spots in our downstairs apartment (which of course
> has no wiring under the floor) so I want to ask those of you who live
> in upstairs apartments: IS THIS NORMAL?! Do any of you have hot spots
> all over the house from underfloor wiring?

Shivani responds:
Sounds as if you are using a Gauss meter, and checking magnetic field
strength. This is not really what you need to be checking.
It is higher frequencies that cause ES symptoms, not the 60 Hz. You
need a meter that will distinguish 60 Hz from the damaging frequencies.
For starters, you could get a Stetzerizer surgemeter and see what the
level of electrical pollution (the high frequencies) is in your electrical
circuits, then install filters to bring the level down to an ideal of 20 units.
Refrigerators and incandescent lights don't create high frequencies.
A clean (just 60 Hz) magnetic field does not cause ES symptoms.
Are you holding your Gauss meter as close to the wiring in the ceiling
as you hold it to the floor when you are taking readings?
Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com

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charles-4

Re: Hot spots from underfloor wiring

Hello Shivani,

you wrote: *A clean (just 60 Hz) magnetic field does not cause ES symptoms*

I must strongly disagree with that statement.

ALL magnetic fields do have an impact on humans, whether they are static or
alternating.

And all electrical fields do also have an impact.

It is the state of the immune system that determines the seriousness of the
impact.

The VLF frequencies as well as the high frequencies, pulsed or not pulsed,
do have an extra impact.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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Subject: [eSens] Re: Hot spots from underfloor wiring

> Aline wrote:
>> I can hardly stand being in the kitchen - just realised that where I
>> stand to prepare food there are readings of up to 8 mg when the
>> fridge and lights are on, 10 mg when the oven is on too (this spot is
>> not near any of these appliances - it's coming from wiring under the
>> floor)
>>
>> We found readings of up to 20 mg in the ceiling underneath where
>> wires run.
>>
>> Even though my husband has noticed that he gets fluttering in his
>> heart when watching TV (readings at the couch are up to 5 mg
>> depending on what is switched on) he still regularly goes back
>> to 'Maybe these readings are normal'.
>>
>> There are no hot spots in our downstairs apartment (which of course
>> has no wiring under the floor) so I want to ask those of you who live
>> in upstairs apartments: IS THIS NORMAL?! Do any of you have hot spots
>> all over the house from underfloor wiring?
>
> Shivani responds:
> Sounds as if you are using a Gauss meter, and checking magnetic field
> strength. This is not really what you need to be checking.
> It is higher frequencies that cause ES symptoms, not the 60 Hz. You
> need a meter that will distinguish 60 Hz from the damaging frequencies.
> For starters, you could get a Stetzerizer surgemeter and see what the
> level of electrical pollution (the high frequencies) is in your electrical
> circuits, then install filters to bring the level down to an ideal of 20
> units.
> Refrigerators and incandescent lights don't create high frequencies.
> A clean (just 60 Hz) magnetic field does not cause ES symptoms.
> Are you holding your Gauss meter as close to the wiring in the ceiling
> as you hold it to the floor when you are taking readings?
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> www.LifeEnergies.com
>
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jaime_schunkewitz

Re: Hot spots from underfloor wiring

>
> Hello Shivani,
>
> you wrote: *A clean (just 60 Hz) magnetic field does not cause ES
symptoms*
>
> I must strongly disagree with that statement.
>
> ALL magnetic fields do have an impact on humans, whether they are
static or
> alternating.
>
> And all electrical fields do also have an impact.
>
> It is the state of the immune system that determines the seriousness
of the
> impact.
>
> The VLF frequencies as well as the high frequencies, pulsed or not
pulsed,

> do have an extra impact.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>

I fully concur with you Charles. The proposition
that 60 Hz does not induce ES symptoms is a fallacy,
hogwash.

With that said, it's pausible that the high frequencies
from cell phones, computers triggers ES at the outset.
Yet there's no doubt that once plagued with ES, 60 Hz
induces major ES symptoms - at least for me. Symptoms are
chest pains (from acid reflux), tinnitus, ear pain, tremors,
general ill feelings.

Measure the fields from a soldering iron, or a transformer,
or high tension power lines. With the trifield, anything
above 3-5 mg causes symptoms. Yet my high frequency meter
measures negligible levels. Raise the magnetic field strength
and the symptoms worsen - yet high frequencies are still
negligible.

Eli

PUK

Re: Hot spots from underfloor wiring

In reply to this post by SArjuna

In a message dated 18/03/2007 17:51:53 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hello Shivani,
>
> you wrote: *A clean (just 60 Hz) magnetic field does not cause ES
symptoms*
>
> I must strongly disagree with that statement.
>
> ALL magnetic fields do have an impact on humans, whether they are
static or
> alternating.
>
> And all electrical fields do also have an impact.
>
> It is the state of the immune system that determines the seriousness
of the
> impact.
>
> The VLF frequencies as well as the high frequencies, pulsed or not
pulsed,
> do have an extra impact.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie

Paul UK replies -

Perhaps a clean 50/60hz is no longer easy to find hence all the problems, I
guess its like contaminated water !

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Emil at Less EMF Inc

Re: Hot spots from underfloor wiring

In reply to this post by SArjuna

> It is higher frequencies that cause ES symptoms, not the 60 Hz.
> A clean (just 60 Hz) magnetic field does not cause ES symptoms.

With the wide variety of causes, symptoms, and remedies reported on this
list, I would caution anyone about telling others what is causing their
symptoms... or what will cure them, for that matter.

Best Regards,

Emil