Re: Digest Number 443

> Charles wrote:
> I have a meter, that measures and detects sources from 5 kHz till 30 kHz
> en from 30 kHz till 150 kHz in the air.
> It has an antenna, or I may place another probe.
>
> Shivani asks:
What meter is this, Charles? How much does it cost?

Charles wrote:
There is this Stetzerizer meter, that measures the HF overload on wall
sockets.
Shivani replies:
Charles was saying that his meter is preferable, as it can measure here
and there, not just in the circuits. This is very nice, and I wish I had
one, but so far I cannot afford it. Meanwhile, if one does have the
Stetzerizer meter, and finds that there are damaging high frequencies in the circuits
of a building, one can logically presume that electric fields in that building
will also contain the damaging frequencies. When Dave Stetzer checked our
home with his $4,000 German meter that reads frequencies in the air, etc. the
places he identified as dangerous were ones I had already found with a
sensitive electric field meter. By sensitive, I mean able to read down to 3, 4 or 5
volts per meter. Not the Trifield, which even the more sensitive model of
is not sensitive. If the needle of that even jiggles you have a field which
can cause an ES person trouble.
There are electric fields many places where there's no magnetic field at
all, so a good electric field meter is very useful, whereas a Gauss meter is
not.

>
> Charles also wrote:
> I find a lot of sources that can hinder electrosensibles.
> Remarkably, I found strange signals on my telephone WITH cord, which we
> normally label harmless.
> Shivani replies:
The high frequencies of electrical pollution that enter your house via the
wiring, water pipes, etc. also travel on the phone lines. High frequency is
subject to the "skin effect" which means it easly flows to the outside of
wiring of any kind, and also onto many surfaces that would not ordinarily be
considered conductive. At our home this included hollow wooden doors and rattan
furniture.
>
> Charles wrote:
> My wife had trouble working on my PC, she could not phone for more than a
> few minutes, and she refused to eat at the nearby dinner table about 2
> meters away.
> I could only detect the signals by placing a contact antenna probe directly
> on the display of the phone.
> Shivani replies:
I had all these same problems. And our table was wood! But, all these
had electric fields that contained the damaging high frequencies. We came up
with solutions for all 3. I am sitting now at that wood table with my
laptop, which is connected to a phone line, and I am OK. A couple of years ago
any one of these yielded an exposure that gave me immediate symptoms.

Regards,
Shivani


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Hello Shivani,

on my website there is *het bitje* October 2004.
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina110.html
At page 15, this meter, the HAARP or VLF Detector, is shortly described.
It costs 440 Euro at www.priggen.com

You wrote:
There are electric fields many places where there's no magnetic field
at
> all, so a good electric field meter is very useful, whereas a Gauss meter
is
> not.

I am sorry, but I do not agree.
Everywhere when there is tension on the line, electrical fields exist.
When the current is flowing, additional magnetic fields exist.

In my opinion, magnetic fields are much more dangerous than electrical
fields.
Nevertheless, one should measure electrical fields, as well as magnetic
fields.
Mentioned are here the AC fields.
Do not forget the DC fields, which can be also harmfull.

And of course the electromagnetic fields, by which we mean the high
frequency fields.

Note, that the Stetzeriser meter as well as the HAARP Detector measure in a
region, where the low frequency goes into the high frequency.

Shivany, are you a writer of detective stories?
Your last remark:
> I had all these same problems. And our table was wood! But, all
these
> had electric fields that contained the damaging high frequencies. We
came up
> with solutions for all 3.

seems to keep the suspense, like on television, *see the episode next week!*
I think that many here would love to see *your solutions.*


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 22:42
Subject: Re: [eSens] Digest Number 443


> > Charles wrote:
> > I have a meter, that measures and detects sources from 5 kHz till 30
kHz here
> and there, not just in the circuits. This is very nice, and I wish I
had
> one, but so far I cannot afford it. Meanwhile, if one does have the
> Stetzerizer meter, and finds that there are damaging high frequencies in
the circuits
> of a building, one can logically presume that electric fields in that
building
> will also contain the damaging frequencies. When Dave Stetzer checked
our
> home with his $4,000 German meter that reads frequencies in the air, etc.
the
> places he identified as dangerous were ones I had already found with a
> sensitive electric field meter. By sensitive, I mean able to read down
to 3, 4 or 5
> volts per meter. Not the Trifield, which even the more sensitive model
of
> is not sensitive. If the needle of that even jiggles you have a field
which
> can cause an ES person trouble.
> There are electric fields many places where there's no magnetic field
at
> all, so a good electric field meter is very useful, whereas a Gauss meter
is frequency is
> subject to the "skin effect" which means it easly flows to the outside of
> wiring of any kind, and also onto many surfaces that would not ordinarily
be
> considered conductive. At our home this included hollow wooden doors
and rattan
> furniture.
> >
> > Charles wrote:
> > My wife had trouble working on my PC, she could not phone for more than
a
> > few minutes, and she refused to eat at the nearby dinner table about 2
> > meters away.
> > I could only detect the signals by placing a contact antenna probe
directly
> > on the display of the phone.
> > Shivani replies:
> I had all these same problems. And our table was wood! But, all
these
> had electric fields that contained the damaging high frequencies. We
came up
> with solutions for all 3. I am sitting now at that wood table with my
> laptop, which is connected to a phone line, and I am OK. A couple of
years ago
> any one of these yielded an exposure that gave me immediate symptoms.
>
> Regards,
> Shivani
>

Hi,

I have never been able to notice any effect of any energetic device on the values actually recorded by a meter.
I've used the Aaronia HF Detektor II Profi and the GigaHertz 35-C, but I have never found any effect.

To my amazement I read this today:

http://www.whale.to/b/tb.html
"We have found that Tower Busters are efficiently disabling cell
towers. We encourage skeptics to obtain a zap checker to check the
energy being emitted from these towers before and after dispensing a
Tower Buster near its base. www.zapchecker.com"

I can call myself a skeptic, so I'd like to ask:
Is there anyone in the group who did actually meassure a difference in V/m or uW/m2 after using or installing an energetic device (like a polariser/tower buster/holy handgrenade/bio-protect/whatever)?
I personally feel that only shielding helps to lower the exposure to high frequency radiation, meassured in uW/m2 or V/m.

Thanks in advance for your replies,

Ed,
the Netherlands

Nice concept but little to no response or effect.
I bought and threw some busters at some towers and also have some  
around my property and in my bedroom. No difference.
I don't have a Zap Checker only a Profi II RF meter.
As much as I would love for the busters to work, I don't see or feel  
any difference with them.
Andrew
On Aug 14, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Ed - Netherlands wrote:

> I can call myself a skeptic, so I'd like to ask:
> Is there anyone in the group who did actually meassure a
> difference in V/m or uW/m2 after using or installing an
> energetic device (like a polariser/tower buster/holy handgrenade/
> bio-protect/whatever)?
> I personally feel that only shielding helps to lower the
> exposure to high frequency radiation, meassured in uW/m2 or V/m.

I think you're right -- I've owned all sorts of stuff, and on
the rare occasion I used an EMF meter on it, the meter readings
did not change. I did not measure a holy handgranade, but since
it's an orgone device, I don't think it would affect any meter
either. (the thing agitated me, like so many other things
do)

Marc

The effect is measurable.

I have build an Orgone accumulator.
See http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina163.html
at the bottom.

With a simple frequency counter, I measured the frequencies around (like I
do for the RFI Aura measuring).
Just above the protruding cristal, the frequency went to 0, zero.
That means something.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 05:22
Subject: Re: [eSens] HF radiation shielding effects of energetic devices
visible on meters?

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:36:59 +0200, charles wrote:

Hi Charles,

I do believe that these devices do something and that it's measurable using some special devices like yours. Also I'm able to feel the effects of some of these devices/things.
But have you ever measured a change in the uW/m2 or V/m readings when using some energy device?

Thanks, Ed

Hello Ed,

no, not in uW/m2 or alike.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Charles Claessens
lid Verband Baubiologie
Stichting Milieuziektes
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed - Netherlands" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 18:06
Subject: Re: [eSens] HF radiation shielding effects of energetic devices
visible on meters?


> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:36:59 +0200, charles wrote:
>
> >The effect is measurable.
> >
> >I have build an Orgone accumulator.
> >See http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina163.html
> >at the bottom.
> >
> >With a simple frequency counter, I measured the frequencies around (like
I
> >do for the RFI Aura measuring).
> >Just above the protruding cristal, the frequency went to 0, zero.
> >That means something.
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> I do believe that these devices do something and that it's measurable
using some special devices like yours. Also I'm able to feel the effects of
some of these devices/things.
> But have you ever measured a change in the uW/m2 or V/m readings when
using some energy device?
>
> Thanks, Ed
>