Re: Canary's situation - transformers / magnesium

hi ian, i meant to reply last week, but didn't get round to it. Just
to say that i'm pretty certain that what i live 70m from would not be
described as a substation. Its a box on a pole, one with three
brown 'nodules' on it. Its the third nodule that makes me nervous.  
If it was only two i reckon at that distance i'd be not too bad.

Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?


--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I think your explanation sounds very probable. Whether it's the 50
Hz
> mains, or associated high frequencies, or magnetic fields
associated with
> the big coils used to step down the voltage from distribution
levels to
> local 240/415V, or all three, there are plenty of ways in which a
big
> transformer could affect you. Certainly our "human meter" Sue
feels effects
> from them! I don't think she'd live in a house with a substation 70
metres
> away - it seems uncomfortably close for constant 24 hour exposure.
>  
> On the magnesium/calcium question, it's not totally clearcut. The
body
> needs to have them both in balance and often it is advocated that
both
> should be supplemented together. However where magnesium is
definitely
> deficient and this is affecting the nervous system, Mg
supplementation alone
> may be better - that's what Sue's specialist has recommended, he
> specifically advised against her taking calcium - but that is for
her
> particular situation and test results, so I guess one must be
careful in
> applying it to everyone. This particular specialist feels strongly
that low
> magnesium is linked to all kinds of neurological-type effects
including
> light, sound and electrical sensitivity. So our next plan is to
try an
> extended course of magnesium sulphate infusions (with B vitamins)
as he
> reckons the dosage has been too low to have a permanent effect.  
That would
> fit with Sue's experience that so far it has given short-term
relief which
> has worn off after a week or two, and the failure of her measured
Mg level
> to improve significantly.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of S.A.D,
> i can actually feel that the atmosphere in the bedroom feels less
> charged. The more storage heaters that are charged in the
properties
> around me, the proportionally worse my night-time symptoms are. My
> day time symptoms...lethargy, vague depression, have remained
> constant. I may be wrong, of course, but i'm pretty sure this is
> whats going on.
>
> I guess there's nowt i can do except move though, yes??
>
> btw, magnesium does help sometimes with the legs, but hadn't
realised benefit
> from
> > having mains power switched off at night. It could be that it's
> harmonics
> > or high frequencies having some or most of the effect, but it
still writes:
> >
> >
> > > Canary wrote:
> > > ....Does this mean therefore that what i'm feeling might have
> more to do
> > > with the transformer close-ish to me than the wires feeding my
> house?
> > > I have said in a previous mail that i have been in 2 places
where
> i
> > > can have the leccy on day & night with no ill effects, so its
not
> > > leccy per se that i have a problem with. There's something
> warped or
> > > more loaded where i'm living. I guess i need to get a
gaussmeter,
> > > except i kind of don't want to know if the news is really bad!
> > >
> > > Shivani replies:
> > A gaussmeter only reads magnetic fields, and most of them
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Hi, Canary,

My nutritionist explained to me that, tho particular foods are naturally high in magnesium, that does not necessarily mean they have that much magnesium in them. This is because plants take up magnesium from the soil, and if the soil a plant is growing in is depleted of magnesium, then the plant will not have the magnesium in it either. The same is true for all the minerals, etc. Today's farming methods leave alot to be desired. It used to be that families tended particular plots of land for centuries and they took good care of them, because it was their livelihood to live off of this land. Nowadays, big agri-business farms the land and the economists in their hire determine what they do or do not do to improve the land. Hmmm.... Sounds like a (bad) plan to me!

Anyway, one way you can get more magnesium without a tummy ache is to soak in epsom salts baths. Also, there is a test which supposedly will tell you whether you are getting enough magnesium or not in your body. You start with a specific amount (I think it is a forth teaspoonful, but I will look it up to be sure) in 8 oz of water. If the water tastes sweet or neutral to you, then you need to add magnesium. If the water tastes bitter to you, then you do not need magnesium. (Come to think of it, there is also a copper test like this.... We were just discussing copper last week here. I will see if I can locate this info and post it.) Anyway, back to magnesium... If it tastes sweet, then you add even more daily in water till you find it begins to become a bitter taste to you, then you experiment until you find the amount that you can take on a daily basis to keep at the level of neutral to the bitter side. Hope this makes sense. lol Good luck.

Also, I wanted to say that I do try to use supplements from natural sources when I can afford them, but I, personally, rarely meet a supplement that my body doesn't like, natural or not. I guess this is because of the years I lived with multiple nutrient deficiencies due to celiac disease. I don't suppose, however, that everybodys' bodies work like this. I have to supplement with many things due to many deficiencies and I still do have considerable gut scarring, apparently, which means I need more supplementation than normally would be used.

I have offered a suggestion why you might have abnormal folate levels based on the possibility that you have a leaky gut type problem. This may or may not be your problem, but if it is, you should first work to heal that and find out what is causing it. Your folate inconsistencies mean something. It is better to track down what exactly is the cause, rather than groping in the dark trying various things on your own. There is a test alternative docs can run to check for leaky gut. I think it is called the manilose test. The spelling of that doesn't look right to me, but anyway, if you ask a good nutrition conscious doctor about this, they will know what you are talking about. Naturopathic docs are sometimes better docs to seek out for nutrition related problems than MDs.

If you do not have leaky gut, then perhaps you should not supplement with folate! You will have to decide that after you see about the leaky gut. Leaky gut causes all sorts of problems, and the possibility that you have it should not be ignored (if you think the info I gave you applies to your situation, that is); unless you have checked into this already. Celiac disease is not the only cause of leaky gut, btw.

Good luck. My best to you,
Diane

canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
hi ian, i meant to reply last week, but didn't get round to it. Just
to say that i'm pretty certain that what i live 70m from would not be
described as a substation. Its a box on a pole, one with three
brown 'nodules' on it. Its the third nodule that makes me nervous.
If it was only two i reckon at that distance i'd be not too bad.

Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I think your explanation sounds very probable. Whether it's the 50
Hz
> mains, or associated high frequencies, or magnetic fields
associated with
> the big coils used to step down the voltage from distribution
levels to
> local 240/415V, or all three, there are plenty of ways in which a
big
> transformer could affect you. Certainly our "human meter" Sue
feels effects
> from them! I don't think she'd live in a house with a substation 70
metres
> away - it seems uncomfortably close for constant 24 hour exposure.
>
> On the magnesium/calcium question, it's not totally clearcut. The
body
> needs to have them both in balance and often it is advocated that
both
> should be supplemented together. However where magnesium is
definitely
> deficient and this is affecting the nervous system, Mg
supplementation alone
> may be better - that's what Sue's specialist has recommended, he
> specifically advised against her taking calcium - but that is for
her
> particular situation and test results, so I guess one must be
careful in
> applying it to everyone. This particular specialist feels strongly
that low
> magnesium is linked to all kinds of neurological-type effects
including
> light, sound and electrical sensitivity. So our next plan is to
try an
> extended course of magnesium sulphate infusions (with B vitamins)
as he
> reckons the dosage has been too low to have a permanent effect.
That would
> fit with Sue's experience that so far it has given short-term
relief which
> has worn off after a week or two, and the failure of her measured
Mg level
> to improve significantly.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of S.A.D,
> i can actually feel that the atmosphere in the bedroom feels less
> charged. The more storage heaters that are charged in the
properties
> around me, the proportionally worse my night-time symptoms are. My
> day time symptoms...lethargy, vague depression, have remained
> constant. I may be wrong, of course, but i'm pretty sure this is
> whats going on.
>
> I guess there's nowt i can do except move though, yes??
>
> btw, magnesium does help sometimes with the legs, but hadn't
realised benefit
> from
> > having mains power switched off at night. It could be that it's
> harmonics
> > or high frequencies having some or most of the effect, but it
still writes:
> >
> >
> > > Canary wrote:
> > > ....Does this mean therefore that what i'm feeling might have
> more to do
> > > with the transformer close-ish to me than the wires feeding my
> house?
> > > I have said in a previous mail that i have been in 2 places
where
> i
> > > can have the leccy on day & night with no ill effects, so its
not
> > > leccy per se that i have a problem with. There's something
> warped or
> > > more loaded where i'm living. I guess i need to get a
gaussmeter,
> > > except i kind of don't want to know if the news is really bad!
> > >
> > > Shivani replies:
> > A gaussmeter only reads magnetic fields, and most of them
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Hi Canary,

- Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency.

I was also very reluctant to believe that Sue could have vitamin/mineral
deficiencies as she always ate a very healthy well-balanced diet and took
supplements too, so she was well above the required daily intake for
everything. The missing clue was that she wasn't absorbing the things she
was taking in, because of leaky gut. Eventually we managed to get tests
done (not on the NHS, unfortunately!) which confirmed both the leaky gut and
the low magnesium in her body.

This means that conventional supplements won't help her and alternatives are
needed. Basically there are three. (1) Oral supplementation with a simple
inorganic molecule - magnesium sulphate - Epsom salts. These seem to absorb
to some extent. (Also much cheaper than mineral supplements!) (2) Epsom
salts baths, so that it absorbs through the skin - possibly more effective
for the sulphate component than the magnesium, but again cheap and easy to
do. (3) Intravenous infusions - the most expensive and inconvenient route,
because one has to find a private doctor or hospital who will do them, but
we have found these most effective for Sue.

Also Sue finds that she, like you, gets pain if she has too much magnesium
at a time, so she has to have frequent small doses, which is slow and
tedious. But it is working - her levels are showing an improvement. And
after she had two successive magnesium infusions 2 weeks ago, her
sensitivity to both sunlight and EM fields got noticeably better.

I'd repeat my growing mantra for ES sufferers - try to find out the
underlying cause of why you became ill in the first place, especially if it
is related to ME/CFS or MCS. There are so many different possible reasons
and depending on the cause, the treatment will differ. In Sue's case we now
have test results which show specific problems with sulphate (especially)
and magnesium, plus low glutathione which was a consequence of these. Some
of her symptoms are also related to mitral valve prolapse, which she has
(yes, officially diagnosed by the NHS!) but the full consequences weren't
explained to us at the time - a new book has just come out. We wish we had
known much of this 2 or 3 years earlier, it would have saved us going up a
lot of blind alleys.

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
canaryyuk
Sent: 16 June 2006 16:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Canary's situation - transformers / magnesium



Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?



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Hi, Ian and Canary,

Yet another dx Sue and I have in common--mitral valve prolapse! We might find we are twins separated at birth yet! lol j/k Yes, I agree with you, Ian, that finding the root cause is the most helpful place to start. We just cannot stress this point enough,eh? Problem is most medical docs do not even have a clue where to start. You can have thousands of dollars of testing before they even begin looking for leaky gut (if even then)! But as you said, Ian, you eat the same foods as Sue and do not have deficiency, so a good place to start investigating was leaky gut, which has indicated Sue is not absorbing nutrients well. Canary, I do hope you will investigate this further on your own, as the particular references you are making to nutrients here have raised a red flag for me. You sound very much to be one who is not absorbing nutrients well.

Canary, you can even investigate on your own the cause of your leaky gut before seeing a doc to some extent.... Do you have calcium (osteoporosis), iron (anemia), folate, B12 (pernicious anemia) absorption problems? These are notorious deficiencies for celiac disease. These are, generally speaking ,nutrients specific to the top portion of the small intestine (removed to the blood stream there--I would have to do some brush up on my info here to be comletely accurate, as this is not something I "work" with on a daily basis and am not sure I have remembered it perfectly. But the "sites" where these nutrients are taken into the blood stream are grouped together in a specific area which, if memory serves, is called the ileum??? I may have this wrong. The more intestinal damage one has, the more of these "sites" are affected and the lower into the intestinal tract the damage goes.)

Other nutrients that are frequent deficiencies for celiacs are magnesium, vit A, and carnitine deficiency. If you have only these specific nutrient problems, I'd suspect celiac disease as the problem, esp if you react to eating wheat, rye, barley, and (to a lesser degree) oats (tho this is not necessary;some have seemingly no reaction to eating them). Please do not go by that site sent by Ligure a few days ago for info on celiac disease. It was the most unbelievably inaccurate site I have ever been to on the subject of celiac disease (this was not Ligure's fault; he did a search and it just happened to be a hit that he got. I will address this in a later post.) If you need other more accurate sites, I will be glad to send some to you privately (or here at this forum, if Marc thinks that is appropriate).

I am not specifically familiar with specific leaky gut deficiencies which follow dairy problems, but celiacs almost always have dairy leaky gut as well. A good site to look into dairy and gluten intolerance both is: www.gfcf.com I suspect, tho I have never actually researched it, that dairy leaky gut affects the same nutrient sites as celiac disease. Some people, tho, have dairy leaky gut and not celiac leaky gut, if you get my drift. You can probably do a bit of investigating online and come up with deficiencies which are specific to various types of leaky gut, tho. (What I am saying is, each specific leaky gut disease, I would think, would target its own specific areas of the gut, thus creating its own set of deficiencies. IBS might be a specific one, as also Crohn's.)

One option you have, of course, is to go gf +/or dairyfree and see what happens. However, if you want to do an elimination diet and go gluten-free, remember that you can not go back, if you later want proof of celiac disease. (In other words, if you go on the gf/cf diet on your own, a doctor cannot dx you down the road, because you will be removing signs for him to look for with your new diet. This is not always a bad thing, tho. If you do not care about proof for insurance or other work related reasons, treating leaky gut and celiac disease on your own is very easy and cost effective to do!) When one does go gf on their own, tho, it is important for them to also go dairyfree at the same time. Celiacs will continue to have dairyfree issues which will confuse the issue, otherwise.

In some cases, it is necessary for celiacs to go on much stricter elimination diets than even gf and dairyfree. In my case, I continued to have problems (tho I COULD see a huge improvement on just the gfcf diet) from many other foods. I was only able to eat about 5 foods at one point without creating intestinal symptoms. This was due to ongoing damage that had originally been caused by celiac disease, but which did not heal because it was now reacting to other foods. If you need any help re celiac disease now or in the future, you may email me privately and I can send you more info, if you like.

The cause for some leaky gut issues might never be found, as I believe emfs/radiation can cause leaky gut, too, and probably various environmental/chemical exposures. So factor these into your thinking as you are eliminating suspects.

Good luck, Canary. Hope this works for you and you are easily able to identify the problem areas you are dealing with,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Canary,

- Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency.

I was also very reluctant to believe that Sue could have vitamin/mineral
deficiencies as she always ate a very healthy well-balanced diet and took
supplements too, so she was well above the required daily intake for
everything. The missing clue was that she wasn't absorbing the things she
was taking in, because of leaky gut. Eventually we managed to get tests
done (not on the NHS, unfortunately!) which confirmed both the leaky gut and
the low magnesium in her body.

This means that conventional supplements won't help her and alternatives are
needed. Basically there are three. (1) Oral supplementation with a simple
inorganic molecule - magnesium sulphate - Epsom salts. These seem to absorb
to some extent. (Also much cheaper than mineral supplements!) (2) Epsom
salts baths, so that it absorbs through the skin - possibly more effective
for the sulphate component than the magnesium, but again cheap and easy to
do. (3) Intravenous infusions - the most expensive and inconvenient route,
because one has to find a private doctor or hospital who will do them, but
we have found these most effective for Sue.

Also Sue finds that she, like you, gets pain if she has too much magnesium
at a time, so she has to have frequent small doses, which is slow and
tedious. But it is working - her levels are showing an improvement. And
after she had two successive magnesium infusions 2 weeks ago, her
sensitivity to both sunlight and EM fields got noticeably better.

I'd repeat my growing mantra for ES sufferers - try to find out the
underlying cause of why you became ill in the first place, especially if it
is related to ME/CFS or MCS. There are so many different possible reasons
and depending on the cause, the treatment will differ. In Sue's case we now
have test results which show specific problems with sulphate (especially)
and magnesium, plus low glutathione which was a consequence of these. Some
of her symptoms are also related to mitral valve prolapse, which she has
(yes, officially diagnosed by the NHS!) but the full consequences weren't
explained to us at the time - a new book has just come out. We wish we had
known much of this 2 or 3 years earlier, it would have saved us going up a
lot of blind alleys.

Ian

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Canary's situation - transformers / magnesium

Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?

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That site was www.gfcf.com

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Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Ian and Canary,

Yet another dx Sue and I have in common--mitral valve prolapse! We might find we are twins separated at birth yet! lol j/k Yes, I agree with you, Ian, that finding the root cause is the most helpful place to start. We just cannot stress this point enough,eh? Problem is most medical docs do not even have a clue where to start. You can have thousands of dollars of testing before they even begin looking for leaky gut (if even then)! But as you said, Ian, you eat the same foods as Sue and do not have deficiency, so a good place to start investigating was leaky gut, which has indicated Sue is not absorbing nutrients well. Canary, I do hope you will investigate this further on your own, as the particular references you are making to nutrients here have raised a red flag for me. You sound very much to be one who is not absorbing nutrients well.

Canary, you can even investigate on your own the cause of your leaky gut before seeing a doc to some extent.... Do you have calcium (osteoporosis), iron (anemia), folate, B12 (pernicious anemia) absorption problems? These are notorious deficiencies for celiac disease. These are, generally speaking ,nutrients specific to the top portion of the small intestine (removed to the blood stream there--I would have to do some brush up on my info here to be comletely accurate, as this is not something I "work" with on a daily basis and am not sure I have remembered it perfectly. But the "sites" where these nutrients are taken into the blood stream are grouped together in a specific area which, if memory serves, is called the ileum??? I may have this wrong. The more intestinal damage one has, the more of these "sites" are affected and the lower into the intestinal tract the damage goes.)

Other nutrients that are frequent deficiencies for celiacs are magnesium, vit A, and carnitine deficiency. If you have only these specific nutrient problems, I'd suspect celiac disease as the problem, esp if you react to eating wheat, rye, barley, and (to a lesser degree) oats (tho this is not necessary;some have seemingly no reaction to eating them). Please do not go by that site sent by Ligure a few days ago for info on celiac disease. It was the most unbelievably inaccurate site I have ever been to on the subject of celiac disease (this was not Ligure's fault; he did a search and it just happened to be a hit that he got. I will address this in a later post.) If you need other more accurate sites, I will be glad to send some to you privately (or here at this forum, if Marc thinks that is appropriate).

I am not specifically familiar with specific leaky gut deficiencies which follow dairy problems, but celiacs almost always have dairy leaky gut as well. A good site to look into dairy and gluten intolerance both is: www.gfcf.com I suspect, tho I have never actually researched it, that dairy leaky gut affects the same nutrient sites as celiac disease. Some people, tho, have dairy leaky gut and not celiac leaky gut, if you get my drift. You can probably do a bit of investigating online and come up with deficiencies which are specific to various types of leaky gut, tho. (What I am saying is, each specific leaky gut disease, I would think, would target its own specific areas of the gut, thus creating its own set of deficiencies. IBS might be a specific one, as also Crohn's.)

One option you have, of course, is to go gf +/or dairyfree and see what happens. However, if you want to do an elimination diet and go gluten-free, remember that you can not go back, if you later want proof of celiac disease. (In other words, if you go on the gf/cf diet on your own, a doctor cannot dx you down the road, because you will be removing signs for him to look for with your new diet. This is not always a bad thing, tho. If you do not care about proof for insurance or other work related reasons, treating leaky gut and celiac disease on your own is very easy and cost effective to do!) When one does go gf on their own, tho, it is important for them to also go dairyfree at the same time. Celiacs will continue to have dairyfree issues which will confuse the issue, otherwise.

In some cases, it is necessary for celiacs to go on much stricter elimination diets than even gf and dairyfree. In my case, I continued to have problems (tho I COULD see a huge improvement on just the gfcf diet) from many other foods. I was only able to eat about 5 foods at one point without creating intestinal symptoms. This was due to ongoing damage that had originally been caused by celiac disease, but which did not heal because it was now reacting to other foods. If you need any help re celiac disease now or in the future, you may email me privately and I can send you more info, if you like.

The cause for some leaky gut issues might never be found, as I believe emfs/radiation can cause leaky gut, too, and probably various environmental/chemical exposures. So factor these into your thinking as you are eliminating suspects.

Good luck, Canary. Hope this works for you and you are easily able to identify the problem areas you are dealing with,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Canary,

- Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency.

I was also very reluctant to believe that Sue could have vitamin/mineral
deficiencies as she always ate a very healthy well-balanced diet and took
supplements too, so she was well above the required daily intake for
everything. The missing clue was that she wasn't absorbing the things she
was taking in, because of leaky gut. Eventually we managed to get tests
done (not on the NHS, unfortunately!) which confirmed both the leaky gut and
the low magnesium in her body.

This means that conventional supplements won't help her and alternatives are
needed. Basically there are three. (1) Oral supplementation with a simple
inorganic molecule - magnesium sulphate - Epsom salts. These seem to absorb
to some extent. (Also much cheaper than mineral supplements!) (2) Epsom
salts baths, so that it absorbs through the skin - possibly more effective
for the sulphate component than the magnesium, but again cheap and easy to
do. (3) Intravenous infusions - the most expensive and inconvenient route,
because one has to find a private doctor or hospital who will do them, but
we have found these most effective for Sue.

Also Sue finds that she, like you, gets pain if she has too much magnesium
at a time, so she has to have frequent small doses, which is slow and
tedious. But it is working - her levels are showing an improvement. And
after she had two successive magnesium infusions 2 weeks ago, her
sensitivity to both sunlight and EM fields got noticeably better.

I'd repeat my growing mantra for ES sufferers - try to find out the
underlying cause of why you became ill in the first place, especially if it
is related to ME/CFS or MCS. There are so many different possible reasons
and depending on the cause, the treatment will differ. In Sue's case we now
have test results which show specific problems with sulphate (especially)
and magnesium, plus low glutathione which was a consequence of these. Some
of her symptoms are also related to mitral valve prolapse, which she has
(yes, officially diagnosed by the NHS!) but the full consequences weren't
explained to us at the time - a new book has just come out. We wish we had
known much of this 2 or 3 years earlier, it would have saved us going up a
lot of blind alleys.

Ian

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Canary's situation - transformers / magnesium

Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?

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Hi, Ian and Canary,

Yet another dx Sue and I have in common--mitral valve prolapse! We might
find we are twins separated at birth yet! lol j/k

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

That is VERY interesting. When we started looking at the book it struck us
that it explained a lot of Sue's symptoms going back a long way, well before
she got her ES. It explained why her body has tended to have a
"hair-trigger" mechanism which is hard to keep in balance (e.g.
adrenalin/cortisol levels) when it has got out of synch. We were wondering
after that whether others in the group might have had it, because it seemed
it would create the right conditions for susceptibility to ME, CFS, MCS and
ES.

Ian
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Hi, Ian,

I am going to have to get the book you are talking about and read it! My nutritionist wrote a book that was very helpful to me (which is how I began seeing him, btw--I called him to talk about his book!) His book was about how hormones in the body interplay and interrelate; How organs affect one another via chemical and hormonal cues. His help and info have been instrumental in my recovery thus far. His book was more general and took all the hormones into account at points, the master hormone being leptin. It was more a book devoted to diet and dieting. It sounds like this book you mention could be a more specific rendering of what my nutritionist wrote about as it pertains to the mitral valve. Thanks for the info.

Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] RE: leaky gut / magnesium

Hi, Ian and Canary,

Yet another dx Sue and I have in common--mitral valve prolapse! We might
find we are twins separated at birth yet! lol j/k

----------------------------------------------------------

That is VERY interesting. When we started looking at the book it struck us
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ES.

Ian
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Hi, Ian,

Ooops--didn't realize you hadn't written the name or author of your book on mitral valve prolapse. Would you mind sending it? Thanks so much.

My nutritionist's book is, "Mastering Leptin", by Byron Richards, CCN, btw, incase you or others are interested. It is a book on losing weight half way thru, and then the remainder explains how diabetes, adrenal problems, cortisol,.... all work in tandem and, when off balance, shift to ill health, body-wide. In essence, how leptin controls the entire body (tho he explains the importance of the other hormones, as well, and how they work.) I originally bought the book for info on how leptin and cortisol relate to adrenal function. It is a more general rendering of how hormones interplay with one another.

My best to you and Sue,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Canary,

- Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency.

I was also very reluctant to believe that Sue could have vitamin/mineral
deficiencies as she always ate a very healthy well-balanced diet and took
supplements too, so she was well above the required daily intake for
everything. The missing clue was that she wasn't absorbing the things she
was taking in, because of leaky gut. Eventually we managed to get tests
done (not on the NHS, unfortunately!) which confirmed both the leaky gut and
the low magnesium in her body.

This means that conventional supplements won't help her and alternatives are
needed. Basically there are three. (1) Oral supplementation with a simple
inorganic molecule - magnesium sulphate - Epsom salts. These seem to absorb
to some extent. (Also much cheaper than mineral supplements!) (2) Epsom
salts baths, so that it absorbs through the skin - possibly more effective
for the sulphate component than the magnesium, but again cheap and easy to
do. (3) Intravenous infusions - the most expensive and inconvenient route,
because one has to find a private doctor or hospital who will do them, but
we have found these most effective for Sue.

Also Sue finds that she, like you, gets pain if she has too much magnesium
at a time, so she has to have frequent small doses, which is slow and
tedious. But it is working - her levels are showing an improvement. And
after she had two successive magnesium infusions 2 weeks ago, her
sensitivity to both sunlight and EM fields got noticeably better.

I'd repeat my growing mantra for ES sufferers - try to find out the
underlying cause of why you became ill in the first place, especially if it
is related to ME/CFS or MCS. There are so many different possible reasons
and depending on the cause, the treatment will differ. In Sue's case we now
have test results which show specific problems with sulphate (especially)
and magnesium, plus low glutathione which was a consequence of these. Some
of her symptoms are also related to mitral valve prolapse, which she has
(yes, officially diagnosed by the NHS!) but the full consequences weren't
explained to us at the time - a new book has just come out. We wish we had
known much of this 2 or 3 years earlier, it would have saved us going up a
lot of blind alleys.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 16 June 2006 16:15
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Subject: [eSens] Re: Canary's situation - transformers / magnesium

Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that i
have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?

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Hi Diane,

The book is called The Mitral Valve Prolapse Syndrome/Dysautonomia Survival
Guide by James Durante et al. Sue warns me that it is quite heavy going in
places - as the title might suggest! - but helpful.

The best-known book before that was Confronting Mitral Valve Syndrome by Lyn
Frederickson, which is about 15 years old but still reckoned to be good
(judging from the Amazon reviews). Probably more "accessible" than the new
book, but we found it harder to get hold of. However Lyn F also endorses
the new book. I believe it has some more recent results.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 19 June 2006 21:14
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] mitral valve prolapse



Hi, Ian,

I am going to have to get the book you are talking about and read it! My
nutritionist wrote a book that was very helpful to me (which is how I began
seeing him, btw--I called him to talk about his book!) His book was about
how hormones in the body interplay and interrelate; How organs affect one
another via chemical and hormonal cues. His help and info have been
instrumental in my recovery thus far. His book was more general and took all
the hormones into account at points, the master hormone being leptin. It was
more a book devoted to diet and dieting. It sounds like this book you
mention could be a more specific rendering of what my nutritionist wrote
about as it pertains to the mitral valve. Thanks for the info.

Diane

Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net> wrote:
Hi Diane,

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Of Evie
Subject: Re: [eSens] RE: leaky gut / magnesium

Hi, Ian and Canary,

Yet another dx Sue and I have in common--mitral valve prolapse! We might
find we are twins separated at birth yet! lol j/k

----------------------------------------------------------

That is VERY interesting. When we started looking at the book it struck us
that it explained a lot of Sue's symptoms going back a long way, well before
she got her ES. It explained why her body has tended to have a
"hair-trigger" mechanism which is hard to keep in balance (e.g.
adrenalin/cortisol levels) when it has got out of synch. We were wondering
after that whether others in the group might have had it, because it seemed
it would create the right conditions for susceptibility to ME, CFS, MCS and
ES.

Ian
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Hi, Ian,
   
Thanks for the info. And also, forgive me, ALL! I accidently posted a couple personal emails here which I thought I changed the addies to (to Karen and Ellen).  
   
Thanks again, Ian,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Diane,

The book is called The Mitral Valve Prolapse Syndrome/Dysautonomia Survival
Guide by James Durante et al. Sue warns me that it is quite heavy going in
places - as the title might suggest! - but helpful.

The best-known book before that was Confronting Mitral Valve Syndrome by Lyn
Frederickson, which is about 15 years old but still reckoned to be good
(judging from the Amazon reviews). Probably more "accessible" than the new
book, but we found it harder to get hold of. However Lyn F also endorses
the new book. I believe it has some more recent results.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 19 June 2006 21:14
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] mitral valve prolapse

Hi, Ian,

I am going to have to get the book you are talking about and read it! My
nutritionist wrote a book that was very helpful to me (which is how I began
seeing him, btw--I called him to talk about his book!) His book was about
how hormones in the body interplay and interrelate; How organs affect one
another via chemical and hormonal cues. His help and info have been
instrumental in my recovery thus far. His book was more general and took all
the hormones into account at points, the master hormone being leptin. It was
more a book devoted to diet and dieting. It sounds like this book you
mention could be a more specific rendering of what my nutritionist wrote
about as it pertains to the mitral valve. Thanks for the info.

Diane

Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net> wrote:
Hi Diane,

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Of Evie
Subject: Re: [eSens] RE: leaky gut / magnesium

Hi, Ian and Canary,

Yet another dx Sue and I have in common--mitral valve prolapse! We might
find we are twins separated at birth yet! lol j/k

----------------------------------------------------------

That is VERY interesting. When we started looking at the book it struck us
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Ian
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hi evie, thanks for the email,which was very informative. I'm very
interested in the Epsom Salts (magnesium) Test and the Copper test
too, if you have the details. For the epsom salts one you say
a 'forth teaspoon full', do you mean a quarter of a teaspoon or 4
teaspoonfuls per 8oz water!

cheers jane

 

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Canary,
>    
> My nutritionist explained to me that, tho particular foods are
naturally high in magnesium, that does not necessarily mean they have
that much magnesium in them. This is because plants take up
magnesium from the soil, and if the soil a plant is growing in is
depleted of magnesium, then the plant will not have the magnesium in
it either. The same is true for all the minerals, etc. Today's
farming methods leave alot to be desired. It used to be that
families tended particular plots of land for centuries and they took
good care of them, because it was their livelihood to live off of
this land. Nowadays, big agri-business farms the land and the
economists in their hire determine what they do or do not do to
improve the land. Hmmm.... Sounds like a (bad) plan to me!  
>    
> Anyway, one way you can get more magnesium without a tummy ache
is to soak in epsom salts baths. Also, there is a test which
supposedly will tell you whether you are getting enough magnesium or
not in your body. You start with a specific amount (I think it is a
forth teaspoonful, but I will look it up to be sure) in 8 oz of
water. If the water tastes sweet or neutral to you, then you need to
add magnesium. If the water tastes bitter to you, then you do not
need magnesium. (Come to think of it, there is also a copper test
like this.... We were just discussing copper last week here. I will
see if I can locate this info and post it.) Anyway, back to
magnesium... If it tastes sweet, then you add even more daily in
water till you find it begins to become a bitter taste to you, then
you experiment until you find the amount that you can take on a daily
basis to keep at the level of neutral to the bitter side. Hope this
makes sense. lol Good luck.
>    
> Also, I wanted to say that I do try to use supplements from
natural sources when I can afford them, but I, personally, rarely
meet a supplement that my body doesn't like, natural or not. I guess
this is because of the years I lived with multiple nutrient
deficiencies due to celiac disease. I don't suppose, however, that
everybodys' bodies work like this. I have to supplement with many
things due to many deficiencies and I still do have considerable gut
scarring, apparently, which means I need more supplementation than
normally would be used.  
>    
> I have offered a suggestion why you might have abnormal folate
levels based on the possibility that you have a leaky gut type
problem. This may or may not be your problem, but if it is, you
should first work to heal that and find out what is causing it. Your
folate inconsistencies mean something. It is better to track down
what exactly is the cause, rather than groping in the dark trying
various things on your own. There is a test alternative docs can run
to check for leaky gut. I think it is called the manilose test. The
spelling of that doesn't look right to me, but anyway, if you ask a
good nutrition conscious doctor about this, they will know what you
are talking about. Naturopathic docs are sometimes better docs to
seek out for nutrition related problems than MDs.
>    
> If you do not have leaky gut, then perhaps you should not
supplement with folate! You will have to decide that after you see
about the leaky gut. Leaky gut causes all sorts of problems, and the
possibility that you have it should not be ignored (if you think the
info I gave you applies to your situation, that is); unless you have
checked into this already. Celiac disease is not the only cause of
leaky gut, btw.
>    
> Good luck. My best to you,
> Diane
>
> canaryyuk <canary65@...> wrote:
> hi ian, i meant to reply last week, but didn't get round
to it. Just
> to say that i'm pretty certain that what i live 70m from would not
be
> described as a substation. Its a box on a pole, one with three
> brown 'nodules' on it. Its the third nodule that makes me nervous.
> If it was only two i reckon at that distance i'd be not too bad.
>
> Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
> confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
> of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that
i
> have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
> of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > I think your explanation sounds very probable. Whether it's the
50 70 strongly shivani
> >
> >
> > i am sure that my symptoms are being caused by the transformer 70
> > metres from my house, and i am convinced that my symptoms worsen
in
> > direct proportion to the current going through it.
> >
> > As I said before all the properties 'fed' by this transformer use
> > night storage heaters which are charged between midnight and 7am,
> > which i believe is why i have experienced such pain and total
> > insomnia in recent months. But amazingly since the weather has
got
> > warmer my symptoms at night have improved substantially. When it
> > gets cold they get bad again. And NO this isn't some form of
> S.A.D,
> > i can actually feel that the atmosphere in the bedroom feels less
> > charged. The more storage heaters that are charged in the
> properties
> > around me, the proportionally worse my night-time symptoms are.
My i
> > don't take that much of it.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It does seem to be true that ES is frequency related, but I
> > wouldn't rule
> > > out 50 or 60 Hz effects completely. Studies by Dr Cyril Smith
in
> > the UK
> > > suggested that people were sensitive to a cocktail of
frequencies
> > which
> > > varied between people, but that the most commonly present was
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Hi, Jane, (Sorry, ALL, yes, it is me yet again! lol Sorry also that I seem not to ever be able to cut out the unneeded portions and shorten up my emails. For some strange reason, I cannot do that with posts from this forum!)

So sorry (I am really sorry, here, aren't I? lol Sorry bout that! ;-) ) it has been so long since I have answered your email! I tried writing you personally, but the message flew back to me undeliverable. Anyway, what you asked, whether it was 1/4 teaspoon or 4 teaspoons epsom salts/ 8 oz of water.... it is 1/8th teaspoon/ 8 oz to start with and add from there. (For me personally, it was 1/4th teaspoon/dose, but I started lower and ended up at that.) I hope you haven't been using 4 teaspoons! Sorry, I should have been more on top of my email. It has been pretty crazy here lately. lol

If you would like the actual "Taste Tests" for minerals and electrolytes that I mentioned, I need an email addy to send it to, as this is off-topic for this forum. Thanks. That is what flew back undeliverable.

My best wishes. Notice you have not been around either. Hope all is well with you.
Diane aka Evie

canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
hi evie, thanks for the email,which was very informative. I'm very
interested in the Epsom Salts (magnesium) Test and the Copper test
too, if you have the details. For the epsom salts one you say
a 'forth teaspoon full', do you mean a quarter of a teaspoon or 4
teaspoonfuls per 8oz water!

cheers jane

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Canary,
>
> My nutritionist explained to me that, tho particular foods are
naturally high in magnesium, that does not necessarily mean they have
that much magnesium in them. This is because plants take up
magnesium from the soil, and if the soil a plant is growing in is
depleted of magnesium, then the plant will not have the magnesium in
it either. The same is true for all the minerals, etc. Today's
farming methods leave alot to be desired. It used to be that
families tended particular plots of land for centuries and they took
good care of them, because it was their livelihood to live off of
this land. Nowadays, big agri-business farms the land and the
economists in their hire determine what they do or do not do to
improve the land. Hmmm.... Sounds like a (bad) plan to me!
>
> Anyway, one way you can get more magnesium without a tummy ache
is to soak in epsom salts baths. Also, there is a test which
supposedly will tell you whether you are getting enough magnesium or
not in your body. You start with a specific amount (I think it is a
forth teaspoonful, but I will look it up to be sure) in 8 oz of
water. If the water tastes sweet or neutral to you, then you need to
add magnesium. If the water tastes bitter to you, then you do not
need magnesium. (Come to think of it, there is also a copper test
like this.... We were just discussing copper last week here. I will
see if I can locate this info and post it.) Anyway, back to
magnesium... If it tastes sweet, then you add even more daily in
water till you find it begins to become a bitter taste to you, then
you experiment until you find the amount that you can take on a daily
basis to keep at the level of neutral to the bitter side. Hope this
makes sense. lol Good luck.
>
> Also, I wanted to say that I do try to use supplements from
natural sources when I can afford them, but I, personally, rarely
meet a supplement that my body doesn't like, natural or not. I guess
this is because of the years I lived with multiple nutrient
deficiencies due to celiac disease. I don't suppose, however, that
everybodys' bodies work like this. I have to supplement with many
things due to many deficiencies and I still do have considerable gut
scarring, apparently, which means I need more supplementation than
normally would be used.
>
> I have offered a suggestion why you might have abnormal folate
levels based on the possibility that you have a leaky gut type
problem. This may or may not be your problem, but if it is, you
should first work to heal that and find out what is causing it. Your
folate inconsistencies mean something. It is better to track down
what exactly is the cause, rather than groping in the dark trying
various things on your own. There is a test alternative docs can run
to check for leaky gut. I think it is called the manilose test. The
spelling of that doesn't look right to me, but anyway, if you ask a
good nutrition conscious doctor about this, they will know what you
are talking about. Naturopathic docs are sometimes better docs to
seek out for nutrition related problems than MDs.
>
> If you do not have leaky gut, then perhaps you should not
supplement with folate! You will have to decide that after you see
about the leaky gut. Leaky gut causes all sorts of problems, and the
possibility that you have it should not be ignored (if you think the
info I gave you applies to your situation, that is); unless you have
checked into this already. Celiac disease is not the only cause of
leaky gut, btw.
>
> Good luck. My best to you,
> Diane
>
> canaryyuk <canary65@...> wrote:
> hi ian, i meant to reply last week, but didn't get round
to it. Just
> to say that i'm pretty certain that what i live 70m from would not
be
> described as a substation. Its a box on a pole, one with three
> brown 'nodules' on it. Its the third nodule that makes me nervous.
> If it was only two i reckon at that distance i'd be not too bad.
>
> Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
> confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
> of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that
i
> have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
> of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > I think your explanation sounds very probable. Whether it's the
50 70 strongly shivani
> >
> >
> > i am sure that my symptoms are being caused by the transformer 70
> > metres from my house, and i am convinced that my symptoms worsen
in
> > direct proportion to the current going through it.
> >
> > As I said before all the properties 'fed' by this transformer use
> > night storage heaters which are charged between midnight and 7am,
> > which i believe is why i have experienced such pain and total
> > insomnia in recent months. But amazingly since the weather has
got
> > warmer my symptoms at night have improved substantially. When it
> > gets cold they get bad again. And NO this isn't some form of
> S.A.D,
> > i can actually feel that the atmosphere in the bedroom feels less
> > charged. The more storage heaters that are charged in the
> properties
> > around me, the proportionally worse my night-time symptoms are.
My i
> > don't take that much of it.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It does seem to be true that ES is frequency related, but I
> > wouldn't rule
> > > out 50 or 60 Hz effects completely. Studies by Dr Cyril Smith
in
> > the UK
> > > suggested that people were sensitive to a cocktail of
frequencies
> > which
> > > varied between people, but that the most commonly present was
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Diane,

I have had the Celiac for yrs & the past 5 yrs gluten free, supplmts &

alot of this reading has been very helpful-thank you ALL! & very interested to try the detox of espom salt to increase magnesuim &

also am realizing i used to take loads of B-12 a few yrs back (just when starting to notice symptoms of ES) & now havent been drinking enriched rice B-12 milk OR taking supplmts &

am about to restart, since VERY interested to see if that will help w/symptoms of ES!! thank you!
Sheila

canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
hi evie, thanks for the email,which was very informative. I'm very
interested in the Epsom Salts (magnesium) Test and the Copper test
too, if you have the details. For the epsom salts one you say
a 'forth teaspoon full', do you mean a quarter of a teaspoon or 4
teaspoonfuls per 8oz water!

cheers jane

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Canary,
>
> My nutritionist explained to me that, tho particular foods are
naturally high in magnesium, that does not necessarily mean they have
that much magnesium in them. This is because plants take up
magnesium from the soil, and if the soil a plant is growing in is
depleted of magnesium, then the plant will not have the magnesium in
it either. The same is true for all the minerals, etc. Today's
farming methods leave alot to be desired. It used to be that
families tended particular plots of land for centuries and they took
good care of them, because it was their livelihood to live off of
this land. Nowadays, big agri-business farms the land and the
economists in their hire determine what they do or do not do to
improve the land. Hmmm.... Sounds like a (bad) plan to me!
>
> Anyway, one way you can get more magnesium without a tummy ache
is to soak in epsom salts baths. Also, there is a test which
supposedly will tell you whether you are getting enough magnesium or
not in your body. You start with a specific amount (I think it is a
forth teaspoonful, but I will look it up to be sure) in 8 oz of
water. If the water tastes sweet or neutral to you, then you need to
add magnesium. If the water tastes bitter to you, then you do not
need magnesium. (Come to think of it, there is also a copper test
like this.... We were just discussing copper last week here. I will
see if I can locate this info and post it.) Anyway, back to
magnesium... If it tastes sweet, then you add even more daily in
water till you find it begins to become a bitter taste to you, then
you experiment until you find the amount that you can take on a daily
basis to keep at the level of neutral to the bitter side. Hope this
makes sense. lol Good luck.
>
> Also, I wanted to say that I do try to use supplements from
natural sources when I can afford them, but I, personally, rarely
meet a supplement that my body doesn't like, natural or not. I guess
this is because of the years I lived with multiple nutrient
deficiencies due to celiac disease. I don't suppose, however, that
everybodys' bodies work like this. I have to supplement with many
things due to many deficiencies and I still do have considerable gut
scarring, apparently, which means I need more supplementation than
normally would be used.
>
> I have offered a suggestion why you might have abnormal folate
levels based on the possibility that you have a leaky gut type
problem. This may or may not be your problem, but if it is, you
should first work to heal that and find out what is causing it. Your
folate inconsistencies mean something. It is better to track down
what exactly is the cause, rather than groping in the dark trying
various things on your own. There is a test alternative docs can run
to check for leaky gut. I think it is called the manilose test. The
spelling of that doesn't look right to me, but anyway, if you ask a
good nutrition conscious doctor about this, they will know what you
are talking about. Naturopathic docs are sometimes better docs to
seek out for nutrition related problems than MDs.
>
> If you do not have leaky gut, then perhaps you should not
supplement with folate! You will have to decide that after you see
about the leaky gut. Leaky gut causes all sorts of problems, and the
possibility that you have it should not be ignored (if you think the
info I gave you applies to your situation, that is); unless you have
checked into this already. Celiac disease is not the only cause of
leaky gut, btw.
>
> Good luck. My best to you,
> Diane
>
> canaryyuk <canary65@...> wrote:
> hi ian, i meant to reply last week, but didn't get round
to it. Just
> to say that i'm pretty certain that what i live 70m from would not
be
> described as a substation. Its a box on a pole, one with three
> brown 'nodules' on it. Its the third nodule that makes me nervous.
> If it was only two i reckon at that distance i'd be not too bad.
>
> Its interesting that sue is finding magnesium helpful too. It is
> confusing when i see the list of foods that mag is present in, many
> of which i eat loads of, so i think that it can't be possible that
i
> have an actual deficiency. So what is it with having to take loads
> of a certain thing? Do you know what the theory is behind that?
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > I think your explanation sounds very probable. Whether it's the
50 70 strongly shivani
> >
> >
> > i am sure that my symptoms are being caused by the transformer 70
> > metres from my house, and i am convinced that my symptoms worsen
in
> > direct proportion to the current going through it.
> >
> > As I said before all the properties 'fed' by this transformer use
> > night storage heaters which are charged between midnight and 7am,
> > which i believe is why i have experienced such pain and total
> > insomnia in recent months. But amazingly since the weather has
got
> > warmer my symptoms at night have improved substantially. When it
> > gets cold they get bad again. And NO this isn't some form of
> S.A.D,
> > i can actually feel that the atmosphere in the bedroom feels less
> > charged. The more storage heaters that are charged in the
> properties
> > around me, the proportionally worse my night-time symptoms are.
My i
> > don't take that much of it.
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It does seem to be true that ES is frequency related, but I
> > wouldn't rule
> > > out 50 or 60 Hz effects completely. Studies by Dr Cyril Smith
in
> > the UK
> > > suggested that people were sensitive to a cocktail of
frequencies
> > which
> > > varied between people, but that the most commonly present was
50 my be ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Healt
> h+prom
> >
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