RE:

Hi,
 
Gee, sure wish I had health insurance so I could get those tests done.However, I am so sure just by my symptoms alone that I will study that website that you mentioned. I just saved it under "favorites" and subscribed to the newsletter. I had read his book years ago. Great book! I will go backto read more on the website when I have more time later.
 
Thanks,
 
Cheryl

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 4:25 AM


 



5 gallons per day???? That is dangerous. Using extra salt will not cure you, it will reduce symptoms. Get your adrenal/thyroid hormones tested and if it shows adrenal fatigue, rebuild using treatment protocol by Dr James Wilson www.adrenalfatigue. org

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 21 November, 2009 7:27:03
Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals

Yes, I have done this as advised for adrenal fatigue. It has helped me a lot at times. I was drinking 5 gallons of water per day years ago and could never figure out for sure why I was so very thirty and totally dehydrated. This may finally explain it. I use a lot of salt now and my thirst is much less due to that.

Thanks,

Cheryl

--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com> wrote:

> From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 3:56 PM

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Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am so late in responding. I have not been home for the past week.

I can't explain how molybdenum works technically, (I would think that it's unique elemental structure is what makes it work) but the molybdenum does have special properties other minerals do not have concerning leaching heavymetals out of organs.  And it works in combo with other nutrients in the liver for a number of detox functions, not just detoxifying sulfites.  I have read that it does have a special affinity for detoxing particular metals (I am fairly sure one is mercury, but I do not know about copper).

As to amount, I originally got a tablet form from Carlson Labs which I cut into eighths, forths, and then halves and took daily. Unfortunately I don't remember the amount--it was high (maybe 400mcgs?) I took as little as I could at first because it knocked me out mentally and physically. I now take 1 drop in a bottle of spring water every other day (I am no longer usingit to detox, but as an actual nutritional supplement.) I am now using "Nutricology Liquid Molybdenum" which has 25mcg of molybdenum/drop. But when this is used, I will try to find another brand because this brand has benzyl alcohol in it. I do like using it in liquid form, but benzyl alcohol might be the downside if you want to use that form.  

I am currently not using any heavy metal chelation regime. I take long breaks from detoxing. (I am right now detoxing bad gut flora, due to anti-biotic use during my hand accident in the spring, however.) I have used various methods, tho. Homeopathy was the latest thing I tried. I believe it worked, as I noticed great improvements afterwards, tho at the time it hit melike a sledge-hammer. I don't necessarily recommend going this route, btw. I used only one drop/once under my tongue to detox my bone marrow and I was very ill for 6 weeks. (Under a homeopath's direction.) If you should ever try this method, it is best to be in a very low emf environment, be atthe top of your game lymphatically and nutritionally, be sugarfree and otherwise stressfree. I don't recommend it otherwise. Also do not try to detox anything but thing and one organ at a time.  

I mentioned already using Chelation IV--that was many years ago. Worked well at the time and was certainly the easiest and most pleasant regime I have tried. (Also probably the most dangerous.)  

I have used various supplements--molybdenum, L acetyl carnitine, selenium.... At the same time, I was using upper limits of all of the nutrients I mentioned in a former email on liver supplement support and mega supplementation in general. That regime was exceedingly expensive--and I also did hydrogen supplementation during this time which I nearly forgot to mention. I had the help of a nutritionist from another State who I had phone appts with every month or two during that period, but alot of the program was my owndesign, based on reading I had done on the subject. It was helpful havinga nutritionist to call, however, and I recommend that if you cannot get a local doctor or nutritionist. I asked him for his input and got his advisewhen things got out of control, which happened 4 times during that period.I was able to manage this financially for only a little over a year and ahalf (due to cost of the supplements--the nutritionist was very
reasonable), but I saw very great improvements body-wide from that. Gut flora improved and digestion, my liver, kidneys, adrenals, lymphatic, thyroid, ability to think more clearly, overall energy..... all improved greatly.  

I tried primrose oil and ALA early on during my "supplement intense" regime, but didn't tolerate them. (The ALA I ended up quiting rather quickly, but it might have worked well if I had had more info at the time. I didn't know at the time I tried it that I could repack the capsules to make smallerdoses.) I couldn't tolerate the primrose oil at all, tho.

I hope this helps you toward deciding what will work best for you. If I neglected to mention something, just ask.

May you have successful and easy detoxing, ;)
Diane

 
--- On Wed, 11/18/09, johnottawa80 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: johnottawa80 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 9:01 AM


 



Hi Diane,
I've been thinking about what you wrote about you taking molybdenum to leach the heavy metals out into your bloodstream.
I'm taking Mo too. (I have high copper levels in my body due to some kind of metabolic 'defect'. Cu is antagonistic to Mo.)
Could I ask you a couple of questions?

Does molybdenum have some kind of special ability to transfer heavy metals from the organs and into the blood stream, or do you think any mineral supplement would do this?
If it is something special about molybdenum, can you explain what it is?

How much Mo did you take to replenish body stores? For how long did you take it?

Also: What kind of heavy metal chelation regieme do you use?

Thanks,
John.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..>
wrote:
>
> Hi again, Amy, and Ian
>  
> I agree with all that Ian has said here, Amy.  It is useless to chelate until your body is strong enough to do it and your liver and lymphatic system are working fairly well.  I wrote about recovering from CFS and FM, but what I didn't tell you was it took over a decade to doit.  And I made huge mistakes all along the way, some of those mistakes being doing things out of order and then having to address all the fall-out from that.  You need to talk over your situation with your doctor and make an overall plan.  If your doctordoesn't see this as necessary then he has not done enough research yet.  He needs to get up to speed. 
>  
> I went to a very EMS knowledgeable homeopath this past winter.  He had his standard plan which he was going to use for me.  It didn't work--his standard plan
included the "crash and burn" mentality of over-detoxing and not dealing effectively with the consequences.  Your doctor needs to be awarethat that will not work for you.  It could be tho that this doctor does have a plan that deals with getting toxins out and getting you built up, but he wants tests to see what he is dealing with first. (But it sounds like he perhaps is not realistic in the type of testing he thinks you can handle.  Some mainstream docs refuse to do hair analysis and the like.) 
>  
> Btw, I remember why my heavy metals test failed the first time--my metalswere in my organs and bone marrow and I had to have molybdenum to leach the metals out into my blood stream so they could be measured.  This was prior to my realizing I had a molybdenum deficiency caused by my gf diet. 
>
> Be well, dear;  I hope this doc works for you,
>
Diane still very weak, the liver in particular argument on whether anyone yet really knows how to interpret the a variety of supplements (and foods) which will help various various body involves using a few removed]
>









     

Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

---------Diane wrote:----------------------------
[...]
Homeopathy was the latest thing I tried. I believe it worked, as I noticedgreat improvements afterwards, tho at the time it hit me like a sledge-hammer. I don't necessarily recommend going this route, btw. I used only onedrop/once under my tongue to detox my bone marrow and I was very ill for 6weeks. (Under a homeopath's direction.) If you should ever try this method, it is best to be in a very low emf environment, be at the top of your game lymphatically and nutritionally, be sugarfree and otherwise stressfree.I don't recommend it otherwise. Also do not try to detox anything but thing and one organ at a time.  
[...]

Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am just getting to this post, John.  I have not been home again for the past week.
 
You wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
 
My answer:
Yes, it was called “BML  10MM”.  The “BM” obviously stands for “bone marrow”, but I forget what the “L” means.  As to the potency, I perhaps would need more potency than you due to the length of time the homeopath figured I had been storing metals/toxins.  Also there is a difference in thestrength of remedies based on how they are prepared (how many times percussed and whether or not they are water based.)
 
You wrote:
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?


My answer:
Yes, I do.  His name is Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.  He was originallyan M.D. who became a homeopath.  I believe he has written several books.  I own one called “Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare--Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones:  The Power of Digital Medicine”.  (It has a forward written by the famed Professor Emeritus of Materials Science, William A Tiller, of Stanford U, which impressedme.)  The book does deal with protecting yourself from these onslaughts, however, it also follows case studies for curing everything from heart disease to sarcoidosis thru homeopathy.  Dr. Yurkovsky’s office is in Chappaqua, NY. 
 
Did I like him?  Yes, but I felt he was a bit remiss in that he did not give me lead time to prepare for his remedies by getting my health in tip-top shape before he gave me the remedies.  This was the first and only time I saw him and since I had never had homeopathy before, I did not know exactly what to expect.  In his book he states what one should do toprepare for heavy metal homeopathy, however, I did not have the book to read until after taking the remedies.  He told me in detail what to do, but huge diet changes and lifestyle changes do take a little time to get into place!  He expressed that he wanted me to begin the remedies the very next day, and not knowing what to expect—getting terribly ill—I followed his wishes.  Had I known what to expect, I would haveprepared more ahead of time.  Other than that, tho, I liked him.  (I think, however, I got a lot sicker than I would have had I had more time to prepare myself.)  I hope
to write a post sometime this week, if possible, to the forum regarding preparations one should make before detoxing heavy metals.  These preparations should be done for any type of metal detox, not just homeopathy.  Also, if you decide to go this route for chelation of metals and see another homeopath, you should expect him/her to supply remedies to support your organs which aid in detoxing—the lymphs, kidneys, liver, lungs…..  Particularly, I took herbs and a remedy for my kidneys (I took remedies for the other organs, but was told my kidneys were not up to the task and needed extra help.)
 
This is Dr. Yurkovsky’s website.  It deals with a particular therapy he is known for, not the homeopathy which I saw him for.  Web address:
 
http://www.yurkovsky.com/
 
Wishing you the best with whatever form of chelation you finally choose,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, johnottawa80 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: johnottawa80 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:36 AM


 



Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

---------Diane wrote:------ --------- --------- ----
[...]
Homeopathy was the latest thing I tried. I believe it worked, as I noticed great improvements afterwards, tho at the time it hit me like a sledge-hammer. I don't necessarily recommend going this route, btw. I used only one drop/once under my tongue to detox my bone marrow and I was very ill for 6 weeks. (Under a homeopath's direction.) If you should ever try this method, it is best to be in a very low emf environment, be at the top of your game lymphatically and nutritionally, be sugarfree and otherwise stressfree. I don't recommend it otherwise. Also do not try to detox anything but thing andone organ at a time.
[...]









     

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Hi Evie and John
 
I read something interesting about detoxing heavy metals recently which I have been meaning to post. I read a report [not a study] by George Carlo working with someone else in NY whose name escapes me. They were working with a cohort of about 90 autistic children and looking at EMF and heavy metal detox. The problem with the kids was they didn't detoc HM in their stools even with chelation. They did a protocol with them where they removed them from EMF [as far as possible] and found that they then began to discharge HM in their stools even without chelation. Their conclusion was that people with problems with the methylation cyckle can't clear HM efficiently and exposure to wireless radiation makes it worse by closing the cell membranes further trapping metals and disrupting intracellular communication. So permanent cell damage could explain why chelation fails to work. In such cases chelation can make things worse as the metals rip through the cell
membrane. Perhaps [and just perhaps] this is why so many people with ES report such awful symptoms and health during attempts at chelation and HM detox because in effect the efforts to get the HM out of the cells are actually damaging the cells themselves???? Wish I could find the place on the net where I read this.
 
BW
 
Steph
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 3:19


 



Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am just getting to this post, John.  I have not been home again for the past week.
 
You wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
 
My answer:
Yes, it was called “BML  10MM”.  The “BM” obviously stands for “bone marrow”, but I forget what the “L” means.  As to the potency, I perhaps would need more potency than you due to the length of time the homeopath figured I had been storing metals/toxins.  Also there is a difference in thestrength of remedies based on how they are prepared (how many times percussed and whether or not they are water based.)
 
You wrote:
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

My answer:
Yes, I do.  His name is Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.  He was originallyan M.D. who became a homeopath.  I believe he has written several books.  I own one called “Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare--Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones:  The Power of Digital Medicine”.  (It has a forward written by the famed Professor Emeritus of Materials Science, William A Tiller, of Stanford U, which impressedme.)  The book does deal with protecting yourself from these onslaughts, however, it also follows case studies for curing everything from heart disease to sarcoidosis thru homeopathy.  Dr. Yurkovsky’s office is in Chappaqua, NY. 
 
Did I like him?  Yes, but I felt he was a bit remiss in that he did not give me lead time to prepare for his remedies by getting my health in tip-top shape before he gave me the remedies.  This was the first and only time I saw him and since I had never had homeopathy before, I did not know exactly what to expect.  In his book he states what one should do toprepare for heavy metal homeopathy, however, I did not have the book to read until after taking the remedies.  He told me in detail what to do, but huge diet changes and lifestyle changes do take a little time to get into place!  He expressed that he wanted me to begin the remedies the very next day, and not knowing what to expect—getting terribly ill—I followed his wishes.  Had I known what to expect, I would haveprepared more ahead of time.  Other than that, tho, I liked him.  (I think, however, I got a lot sicker than I would have had I had more time to prepare myself.)  I hope
to write a post sometime this week, if possible, to the forum regarding preparations one should make before detoxing heavy metals.  These preparations should be done for any type of metal detox, not just homeopathy.  Also, if you decide to go this route for chelation of metals and seeanother homeopath, you should expect him/her to supply remedies to supportyour organs which aid in detoxing—the lymphs, kidneys, liver, lungs…..  Particularly, I took herbs and a remedy for my kidneys (I took remedies for the other organs, but was told my kidneys were not up to the task and needed extra help.)
 
This is Dr. Yurkovsky’s website.  It deals with a particular therapy he is known for, not the homeopathy which I saw him for.  Web address:
 
http://www.yurkovsk y.com/
 
Wishing you the best with whatever form of chelation you finally choose,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:36 AM

 

Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

---------Diane wrote:------ --------- --------- ----
[...]
Homeopathy was the latest thing I tried. I believe it worked, as I noticed great improvements afterwards, tho at the time it hit me like a sledge-hammer. I don't necessarily recommend going this route, btw. I used only one drop/once under my tongue to detox my bone marrow and I was very ill for 6 weeks. (Under a homeopath's direction.) If you should ever try this method, it is best to be in a very low emf environment, be at the top of your game lymphatically and nutritionally, be sugarfree and otherwise stressfree. I don't recommend it otherwise. Also do not try to detox anything but thing andone organ at a time.
[...]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you very much for your answer Diane!
And if you would like to, please write about how to prepare for heavy metaldetox.

Regards,
John.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

That's interesting Steph. Sounds like me. Does anyone know if Charcoal & Clay which are toxic binders absorb heavy metals. That's what I am doing for detox. Loni

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:59 AM


 



Hi Evie and John
 
I read something interesting about detoxing heavy metals recently which I have been meaning to post. I read a report [not a study] by George Carlo working with someone else in NY whose name escapes me. They were working with a cohort of about 90 autistic children and looking at EMF and heavy metal detox. The problem with the kids was they didn't detoc HM in their stools even with chelation. They did a protocol with them where they removed them from EMF [as far as possible] and found that they then began to discharge HM in their stools even without chelation. Their conclusion was that people with problems with the methylation cyckle can't clear HM efficiently and exposure to wireless radiation makes it worse by closing the cell membranes further trapping metals and disrupting intracellular communication. So permanent cell damage could explain why chelation fails to work. In such cases chelation can make things worse as the metals rip through the cell
membrane. Perhaps [and just perhaps] this is why so many people with ES report such awful symptoms and health during attempts at chelation and HM detox because in effect the efforts to get the HM out of the cells are actuallydamaging the cells themselves?? ?? Wish I could find the place on the net where I read this.
 
BW
 
Steph
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 3:19

 

Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am just getting to this post, John.  I have not been home again for the past week.
 
You wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
 
My answer:
Yes, it was called “BML  10MM”.  The “BM” obviously stands for “bone marrow”, but I forget what the “L” means.  As to the potency, I perhaps would need more potency than you due to the length of time the homeopath figured I had been storing metals/toxins.  Also there is a difference in thestrength of remedies based on how they are prepared (how many times percussed and whether or not they are water based.)
 
You wrote:
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

My answer:
Yes, I do.  His name is Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.  He was originallyan M.D. who became a homeopath.  I believe he has written several books.  I own one called “Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare--Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones:  The Power of Digital Medicine”.  (It has a forward written by the famed Professor Emeritus of Materials Science, William A Tiller, of Stanford U, which impressedme.)  The book does deal with protecting yourself from these onslaughts, however, it also follows case studies for curing everything from heart disease to sarcoidosis thru homeopathy.  Dr. Yurkovsky’s office is in Chappaqua, NY. 
 
Did I like him?  Yes, but I felt he was a bit remiss in that he did not give me lead time to prepare for his remedies by getting my health in tip-top shape before he gave me the remedies.  This was the first and only time I saw him and since I had never had homeopathy before, I did not know exactly what to expect.  In his book he states what one should do toprepare for heavy metal homeopathy, however, I did not have the book to read until after taking the remedies.  He told me in detail what to do, but huge diet changes and lifestyle changes do take a little time to get into place!  He expressed that he wanted me to begin the remedies the very next day, and not knowing what to expect—getting terribly ill—I followed his wishes.  Had I known what to expect, I would haveprepared more ahead of time.  Other than that, tho, I liked him.  (I think, however, I got a lot sicker than I would have had I had more time to prepare myself.)  I hope
to write a post sometime this week, if possible, to the forum regarding preparations one should make before detoxing heavy metals.  These preparations should be done for any type of metal detox, not just homeopathy.  Also, if you decide to go this route for chelation of metals and seeanother homeopath, you should expect him/her to supply remedies to supportyour organs which aid in detoxing—the lymphs, kidneys, liver, lungs…..  Particularly, I took herbs and a remedy for my kidneys (I took remedies for the other organs, but was told my kidneys were not up to the task and needed extra help.)
 
This is Dr. Yurkovsky’s website.  It deals with a particular therapy he is known for, not the homeopathy which I saw him for.  Web address:
 
http://www.yurkovsk y.com/
 
Wishing you the best with whatever form of chelation you finally choose,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:36 AM

 

Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

---------Diane wrote:------ --------- --------- ----
[...]
Homeopathy was the latest thing I tried. I believe it worked, as I noticed great improvements afterwards, tho at the time it hit me like a sledge-hammer. I don't necessarily recommend going this route, btw. I used only one drop/once under my tongue to detox my bone marrow and I was very ill for 6 weeks. (Under a homeopath's direction.) If you should ever try this method, it is best to be in a very low emf environment, be at the top of your game lymphatically and nutritionally, be sugarfree and otherwise stressfree. I don't recommend it otherwise. Also do not try to detox anything but thing andone organ at a time.
[...]

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gee John,
 
Were you able to read my email to you with all the extra characters in it????  I wrote it in Word and pasted it, but it looks unreadable! 
 
You are welcome, John.  I will try to post the info on how to prepare for metal detox later in the week.  (Hint--Steph mentioned part of it--get into as low an emf environment as you can.  ;)  )
 
Be well,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, johnottawa80 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: johnottawa80 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:57 AM


 



Thank you very much for your answer Diane!
And if you would like to, please write about how to prepare for heavy metaldetox.

Regards,
John.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: myself.)  I hope








     

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi again, Loni,
 
Yes, clay and charcoal CAN help, but you don't want to use charcoal--it eliminates everything in your digestive tract, including all of your nutrients.  I always shutter when I hear someone saying they are using charcoallong term.  I use charcoal for some things--food poisoning, a gluten crumb I have accidently ingested, getting off of the drug theophyline when it was causing me congestive heart failure.....  One should not use charcoal for more than a day unless it is absolutely necessary to eliminate something eminently life threatening.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane


--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 1:32 PM


 



That's interesting Steph. Sounds like me. Does anyone know if Charcoal & Clay which are toxic binders absorb heavy metals. That's what I am doing for detox. Loni

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:59 AM

 

Hi Evie and John
 
I read something interesting about detoxing heavy metals recently which I have been meaning to post. I read a report [not a study] by George Carlo working with someone else in NY whose name escapes me. They were working with a cohort of about 90 autistic children and looking at EMF and heavy metal detox. The problem with the kids was they didn't detoc HM in their stools even with chelation. They did a protocol with them where they removed them from EMF [as far as possible] and found that they then began to discharge HM in their stools even without chelation. Their conclusion was that people with problems with the methylation cyckle can't clear HM efficiently and exposure to wireless radiation makes it worse by closing the cell membranes further trapping metals and disrupting intracellular communication. So permanent cell damage could explain why chelation fails to work. In such cases chelation can make things worse as the metals rip through the cell
membrane. Perhaps [and just perhaps] this is why so many people with ES report such awful symptoms and health during attempts at chelation and HM detox because in effect the efforts to get the HM out of the cells are actuallydamaging the cells themselves?? ?? Wish I could find the place on the net where I read this.
 
BW
 
Steph
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 3:19

 

Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am just getting to this post, John.  I have not been home again for the past week.
 
You wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
 
My answer:
Yes, it was called “BML  10MM”.  The “BM” obviously stands for “bone marrow”, but I forget what the “L” means.  As to the potency, I perhaps would need more potency than you due to the length of time the homeopath figured I had been storing metals/toxins.  Also there is a difference in thestrength of remedies based on how they are prepared (how many times percussed and whether or not they are water based.)
 
You wrote:
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

My answer:
Yes, I do.  His name is Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.  He was originallyan M.D. who became a homeopath.  I believe he has written several books.  I own one called “Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare--Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones:  The Power of Digital Medicine”.  (It has a forward written by the famed Professor Emeritus of Materials Science, William A Tiller, of Stanford U, which impressedme.)  The book does deal with protecting yourself from these onslaughts, however, it also follows case studies for curing everything from heart disease to sarcoidosis thru homeopathy.  Dr. Yurkovsky’s office is in Chappaqua, NY. 
 
Did I like him?  Yes, but I felt he was a bit remiss in that he did not give me lead time to prepare for his remedies by getting my health in tip-top shape before he gave me the remedies.  This was the first and only time I saw him and since I had never had homeopathy before, I did not know exactly what to expect.  In his book he states what one should do toprepare for heavy metal homeopathy, however, I did not have the book to read until after taking the remedies.  He told me in detail what to do, but huge diet changes and lifestyle changes do take a little time to get into place!  He expressed that he wanted me to begin the remedies the very next day, and not knowing what to expect—getting terribly ill—I followed his wishes.  Had I known what to expect, I would haveprepared more ahead of time.  Other than that, tho, I liked him.  (I think, however, I got a lot sicker than I would have had I had more time to prepare myself.)  I hope
to write a post sometime this week, if possible, to the forum regarding preparations one should make before detoxing heavy metals.  These preparations should be done for any type of metal detox, not just homeopathy.  Also, if you decide to go this route for chelation of metals and seeanother homeopath, you should expect him/her to supply remedies to supportyour organs which aid in detoxing—the lymphs, kidneys, liver, lungs…..  Particularly, I took herbs and a remedy for my kidneys (I took remedies for the other organs, but was told my kidneys were not up to the task and needed extra help.)
 
This is Dr. Yurkovsky’s website.  It deals with a particular therapy he is known for, not the homeopathy which I saw him for.  Web address:
 
http://www.yurkovsk y.com/
 
Wishing you the best with whatever form of chelation you finally choose,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:36 AM

 

Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

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Hi Loni
 
I really know very little about detoxing heavy metals and all I was able todo in my last post was report interesting research I had come across - I'dsay Diane or Marc would be  your best bet for information on that.
 
BW
 
Steph

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From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 18:32


 



That's interesting Steph. Sounds like me. Does anyone know if Charcoal & Clay which are toxic binders absorb heavy metals. That's what I am doing for detox. Loni

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:59 AM

 

Hi Evie and John
 
I read something interesting about detoxing heavy metals recently which I have been meaning to post. I read a report [not a study] by George Carlo working with someone else in NY whose name escapes me. They were working with a cohort of about 90 autistic children and looking at EMF and heavy metal detox. The problem with the kids was they didn't detoc HM in their stools even with chelation. They did a protocol with them where they removed them from EMF [as far as possible] and found that they then began to discharge HM in their stools even without chelation. Their conclusion was that people with problems with the methylation cyckle can't clear HM efficiently and exposure to wireless radiation makes it worse by closing the cell membranes further trapping metals and disrupting intracellular communication. So permanent cell damage could explain why chelation fails to work. In such cases chelation can make things worse as the metals rip through the cell
membrane. Perhaps [and just perhaps] this is why so many people with ES report such awful symptoms and health during attempts at chelation and HM detox because in effect the efforts to get the HM out of the cells are actuallydamaging the cells themselves?? ?? Wish I could find the place on the net where I read this.
 
BW
 
Steph
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 3:19

 

Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am just getting to this post, John.  I have not been home again for the past week.
 
You wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
 
My answer:
Yes, it was called “BML  10MM”.  The “BM” obviously stands for “bone marrow”, but I forget what the “L” means.  As to the potency, I perhaps would need more potency than you due to the length of time the homeopath figured I had been storing metals/toxins.  Also there is a difference in thestrength of remedies based on how they are prepared (how many times percussed and whether or not they are water based.)
 
You wrote:
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

My answer:
Yes, I do.  His name is Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.  He was originallyan M.D. who became a homeopath.  I believe he has written several books.  I own one called “Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare--Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones:  The Power of Digital Medicine”.  (It has a forward written by the famed Professor Emeritus of Materials Science, William A Tiller, of Stanford U, which impressedme.)  The book does deal with protecting yourself from these onslaughts, however, it also follows case studies for curing everything from heart disease to sarcoidosis thru homeopathy.  Dr. Yurkovsky’s office is in Chappaqua, NY. 
 
Did I like him?  Yes, but I felt he was a bit remiss in that he did not give me lead time to prepare for his remedies by getting my health in tip-top shape before he gave me the remedies.  This was the first and only time I saw him and since I had never had homeopathy before, I did not know exactly what to expect.  In his book he states what one should do toprepare for heavy metal homeopathy, however, I did not have the book to read until after taking the remedies.  He told me in detail what to do, but huge diet changes and lifestyle changes do take a little time to get into place!  He expressed that he wanted me to begin the remedies the very next day, and not knowing what to expect—getting terribly ill—I followed his wishes.  Had I known what to expect, I would haveprepared more ahead of time.  Other than that, tho, I liked him.  (I think, however, I got a lot sicker than I would have had I had more time to prepare myself.)  I hope
to write a post sometime this week, if possible, to the forum regarding preparations one should make before detoxing heavy metals.  These preparations should be done for any type of metal detox, not just homeopathy.  Also, if you decide to go this route for chelation of metals and seeanother homeopath, you should expect him/her to supply remedies to supportyour organs which aid in detoxing—the lymphs, kidneys, liver, lungs…..  Particularly, I took herbs and a remedy for my kidneys (I took remedies for the other organs, but was told my kidneys were not up to the task and needed extra help.)
 
This is Dr. Yurkovsky’s website.  It deals with a particular therapy he is known for, not the homeopathy which I saw him for.  Web address:
 
http://www.yurkovsk y.com/
 
Wishing you the best with whatever form of chelation you finally choose,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:36 AM

 

Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

---------Diane wrote:------ --------- --------- ----
[...]
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> I always shutter when I hear someone saying they are using
> charcoal long term. 

Hey, I was using charcoal long term last year, but you'll be
glad to know that I've mostly phased it out. Although I've
been taking bentonite tablets, so maybe that's just as bad... :-)

Marc

I've found that helpful in keeping hydrated, adding a pinch of salt, or sometimes baking soda to water. In the past it didn't matter how much I drank,my skin still was dehydrated. I've read that people with CFS can use a saline IV the day before they have a big day coming up to help them get through easier. So.. I do it with baking soda, 1/2t. to a cup of water. Raises the blood pressure a bit, and seems to warm me up.

Plus, I found studies showing the baking soda helps with preventing or advancing renal failure. Makes ya wonder about salt restricted diets for kidneyproblems, but then most salts are high temp. kiln dried, and no longer natural salt.

Anyway, here's an electrolyte recipe I've been using for a couple years, mix it up by the pitcher, and use as I feel it's needed:

Rehydration Recipe:
Recipe for an oral rehydration drink that approximates
most store-bought solutions can be prepared
inexpensively at home:

To one liter of water add:
8 teaspoons of sugar,
1/2 teaspoon of solar dried sea salt,
1/4 tsp. cream of tartar and
1/2 teaspoon baking soda.

The cream of tartar provides the necessary potassium to balance it. I like to add
some powdered calcium, and sometimes magnesium as well. (I use Sucanat,
which is organic, dried cane sugar juice and has trace minerals in it and tastes better
than white sugar.) The sugar is necessary to make the cells keep the fluids.

~ Snoshoe


--- In [hidden email], Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote:

Diane, I alternate charcoal & clay during the week just once in the am. I take the weekend off. It is prescribed by my doc because I have trouble emliminating toxins on my own. I do take lots of suppliments to make sure I getenough nutients. don't know if it could be hurting me but doc thinks not. Loni

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 2:37 PM


 



Hi again, Loni,
 
Yes, clay and charcoal CAN help, but you don't want to use charcoal--it eliminates everything in your digestive tract, including all of your nutrients.  I always shutter when I hear someone saying they are using charcoallong term.  I use charcoal for some things--food poisoning, a gluten crumb I have accidently ingested, getting off of the drug theophyline when it was causing me congestive heart failure.....  One should not use charcoal for more than a day unless it is absolutely necessary to eliminate something eminently life threatening.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Loni <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 1:32 PM

 

That's interesting Steph. Sounds like me. Does anyone know if Charcoal & Clay which are toxic binders absorb heavy metals. That's what I am doing for detox. Loni

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 4:59 AM

 

Hi Evie and John
 
I read something interesting about detoxing heavy metals recently which I have been meaning to post. I read a report [not a study] by George Carlo working with someone else in NY whose name escapes me. They were working with a cohort of about 90 autistic children and looking at EMF and heavy metal detox. The problem with the kids was they didn't detoc HM in their stools even with chelation. They did a protocol with them where they removed them from EMF [as far as possible] and found that they then began to discharge HM in their stools even without chelation. Their conclusion was that people with problems with the methylation cyckle can't clear HM efficiently and exposure to wireless radiation makes it worse by closing the cell membranes further trapping metals and disrupting intracellular communication. So permanent cell damage could explain why chelation fails to work. In such cases chelation can make things worse as the metals rip through the cell
membrane. Perhaps [and just perhaps] this is why so many people with ES report such awful symptoms and health during attempts at chelation and HM detox because in effect the efforts to get the HM out of the cells are actuallydamaging the cells themselves?? ?? Wish I could find the place on the net where I read this.
 
BW
 
Steph
 
 
 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 30 November, 2009, 3:19

 

Hi, John,
 
Sorry I am just getting to this post, John.  I have not been home again for the past week.
 
You wrote:
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
 
My answer:
Yes, it was called “BML  10MM”.  The “BM” obviously stands for “bone marrow”, but I forget what the “L” means.  As to the potency, I perhaps would need more potency than you due to the length of time the homeopath figured I had been storing metals/toxins.  Also there is a difference in thestrength of remedies based on how they are prepared (how many times percussed and whether or not they are water based.)
 
You wrote:
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

My answer:
Yes, I do.  His name is Savely Yurkovsky, M.D.  He was originallyan M.D. who became a homeopath.  I believe he has written several books.  I own one called “Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear Warfare--Protecting Yourself and Your Loved Ones:  The Power of Digital Medicine”.  (It has a forward written by the famed Professor Emeritus of Materials Science, William A Tiller, of Stanford U, which impressedme.)  The book does deal with protecting yourself from these onslaughts, however, it also follows case studies for curing everything from heart disease to sarcoidosis thru homeopathy.  Dr. Yurkovsky’s office is in Chappaqua, NY. 
 
Did I like him?  Yes, but I felt he was a bit remiss in that he did not give me lead time to prepare for his remedies by getting my health in tip-top shape before he gave me the remedies.  This was the first and only time I saw him and since I had never had homeopathy before, I did not know exactly what to expect.  In his book he states what one should do toprepare for heavy metal homeopathy, however, I did not have the book to read until after taking the remedies.  He told me in detail what to do, but huge diet changes and lifestyle changes do take a little time to get into place!  He expressed that he wanted me to begin the remedies the very next day, and not knowing what to expect—getting terribly ill—I followed his wishes.  Had I known what to expect, I would haveprepared more ahead of time.  Other than that, tho, I liked him.  (I think, however, I got a lot sicker than I would have had I had more time to prepare myself.)  I hope
to write a post sometime this week, if possible, to the forum regarding preparations one should make before detoxing heavy metals.  These preparations should be done for any type of metal detox, not just homeopathy.  Also, if you decide to go this route for chelation of metals and seeanother homeopath, you should expect him/her to supply remedies to supportyour organs which aid in detoxing—the lymphs, kidneys, liver, lungs…..  Particularly, I took herbs and a remedy for my kidneys (I took remedies for the other organs, but was told my kidneys were not up to the task and needed extra help.)
 
This is Dr. Yurkovsky’s website.  It deals with a particular therapy he is known for, not the homeopathy which I saw him for.  Web address:
 
http://www.yurkovsk y.com/
 
Wishing you the best with whatever form of chelation you finally choose,
Diane

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: johnottawa80 <johnottawa80@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: heavy metals
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:36 AM

 

Hi Diane,
thank you very much for your thorough answer.
Just out of curiousity, can you tell me what kind of homeopathic remedy youtook to detox your bone marrow?
Perhaps you have an online link to the remedy or the practitioner?

Thanks,
John.

---------Diane wrote:------ --------- --------- ----
[...]
Homeopathy was the latest thing I tried. I believe it worked, as I noticed great improvements afterwards, tho at the time it hit me like a sledge-hammer. I don't necessarily recommend going this route, btw. I used only one drop/once under my tongue to detox my bone marrow and I was very ill for 6 weeks. (Under a homeopath's direction.) If you should ever try this method, it is best to be in a very low emf environment, be at the top of your game lymphatically and nutritionally, be sugarfree and otherwise stressfree. I don't recommend it otherwise. Also do not try to detox anything but thing andone organ at a time.
[...]

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