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> From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:48 PM
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> Hi Cheryl,
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> My best guess on this (and it's a complete guess) would
> be that you might
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> have something like hyperthyroidism stressing the adrenals
> and that it has
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> been aggravated by the EMF from the power tower - I think
> EMF can also cause
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> low thyroid symptoms which would balance out. Now that
> you're away from the
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> power tower it should give a better chance to sort out the
> underlying
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> issues, hopefully your dr can help on this. Do you have
> things like MCS as
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> well? That would be worsened near a main road due to the
> traffic fumes -
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> noise might also give a bit of extra stress - but otherwise
> I wouldn't have
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> thought the main road would make a major difference. Be
> prepared for a long
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> haul though, 1 month rest without active treatment
> doesn't sound long enough
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> to overcome the effects which have built up over the years.
> However I would
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> hope that they are reversible, at least in part, with the
> right treatment.
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> Good luck, Ian
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> From: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups.
> com] On Behalf Of
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> Cheryl Griffing
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> Sent: 15 November 2009 20:23
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> Hi Ian,
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> Thanks again for your help!
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> Here is the bottom line for all my questions. I finally
> moved away from a
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> power tower that I had lived 30 yards from for 30 years. I
> knew it was
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> making me very ill so when I could finally afford to move I
> did. Now I am no
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> better, 1 month after my move. My thyroid seems to be hyper
> again, for the
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> first time in 2 years. I am losing weight and eating more.
> I am tired,
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> especially in the morning. I generally felt better when I
> was away from home
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> when I lived near the tower. I am wondering if living near
> a main street may
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> be stressing my adrenals. I knew it may not have been the
> best choice to
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> move to where I have moved but there were very few
> affordable homes on the
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> market and I figured anything would be better than being
> near that power
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> tower. My body has cooled down somewhat, as I was hot all
> the time before. I
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> think my problem may no longer be as much EMF caused as
> adrenal. What is
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> your opinion on this?
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> Much appreciated.
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> Thanks.
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
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> <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
> ukgateway.net> wrote:
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> > From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
> <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
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> ukgateway.net>
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> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%
> 40yahoogroups. com> com
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> > Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:33 AM
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> > Hi Cheryl,
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> > I think it can cut both ways. If you have severe
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> > metal poisoning it
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> > adrenals.
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> > Conversely, if the liver, adrenals and immune system
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> > already weak, the
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> > body can start reacting to modest levels of
> chemicals,
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> > heavy metals, EMF
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> > etc. I think the second is more common, but
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> > just gut feel.
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> > Generally it seems to me as if our bodies are
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> > tolerant and robust,
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> > and it takes several things together to give problems.
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> > Standard "liver
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> > cleansing supplements" may help and should
> certainly
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> > do no harm (except to
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> > your pocket). However, if you're eating a healthy
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> > diet, taking lots of
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> > supplements but are still seriously ill or going
> downhill,
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> > then there must
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> > surely be some other major underlying root cause
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> > liver, mercury etc).
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> > Finding it is the difficult bit - which is chicken
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> > which is egg.
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> > My wife Sue reacted badly to having 4 small mercury
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> > fillings removed and
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> > developed MCS and ES soon after. However, the amount
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> > small and would probably not have been a problem if
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> > ill from undiagnosed liver and gut problems. Also low
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> > thyroid, which may
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> > have been a consequence rather than a cause. Standard
> liver
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> > supplements
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> > hadn't been enough - more concentrated treatment
> was
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> > needed and has helped
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> > her significantly, so that the ES is manageable and
> MCS
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> > only a problem if
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> > she gets a sudden high exposure.
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> > Ian
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> > _____
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> > From: eSens@yahoogroups.
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> > com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups.
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> > com] On Behalf Of
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> > Cheryl Griffing
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> > Sent: 15 November 2009 07:37
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> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.
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> > com
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> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> > Hi Ian,
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> > What you wrote was of extreme interest to me since I
> have
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> > suffered from
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> > metal poisoning and have adrenal fatigue. However, I
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> > have a question. How
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> > exactly do the two relate? Does the strain put on the
> liver
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> > poisoning cause the adrenal fatigue? If so then would
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> > taking liver cleansing
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> > supplements aid in adrenal function?
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> > I used chelation in the past when I had the metal
> poisoning
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> > quite severely;
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> > was weak, could hardly get out of bed some days, and
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> > in my mid 30's at
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> > that time. The chelation, taken orally, did exhaust me
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> > times but in the
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> > long run was helpful as I felt as though I may have
> died
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> > without it as I was
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> > so very ill back then. I just wish I knew then what I
> know
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> > now!
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> > Thanks,
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> > Cheryl
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> > --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
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> > <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
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> > ukgateway.net> wrote:
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> > From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
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> > kemp%40ukgateway .net>
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> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%
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> > Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 5:08 PM
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> > Hi Amy,
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> > I'd strongly support what Marc says about being
> careful
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> > with chelation.
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> > Often, heavy metals have become a problem and caused
> the
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> > symptoms because
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> > the body has already been badly weakened, particularly
> the
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> > liver. Adrenal
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> > fatigue is often linked to this. Often ES comes along
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> > MCS, ME, chronic
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> > fatigue, gut disorders and other similar problems. The
> snag
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> > try to chelate while the body is still very weak, the
> liver
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> > may be unable to handle the heavy metals released by
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> > chelation and it can
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> > even make things worse. Often chelation is done as
> part of
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> > more extensive
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> > protocols adding other things like intravenous vitamin
> C or
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> > activated
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> > charcoal to try to mop up the "nasties"
> which are
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> > released.
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> > But as Marc says, it's often best to try to
> strengthen
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> > your system first, so
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> > that you can cope better with chelation if it's
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> > necessary. The snag is that
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> > the underlying causes are often different for
> different
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> > people, and so what
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> > helps one person may not help another. In previous
> messages
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> > various people
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> > have reported their experiences, e.g. different liver
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> > metabolic pathways not
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> > working so that the body can't process certain
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> > chemicals. There's even an
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> > (expensive) genetic test now which can identify
> missing
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> > liver function genes
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> > (but also argument on whether anyone yet really knows
> how
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> > to interpret the
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> >
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> > test). Certainly my wife Sue, who is ES, has been
> hugely
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> > helped by
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> > glutathione, whereas it has negative effects on Marc;
> but
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> > there are other
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> > supplements that they both benefit from. "Try it
> and
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> > see" seems the best
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> > way with most of these things at the moment. So far I
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> > don't think anyone in
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> > the world has 100% understanding of all the medical
> issues
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> > and how they
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> > interact, although some doctors, people and groups
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> > certainly a lot
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> > further along than others.
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> > From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@
> yahoogroups.
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> > com] On Behalf Of
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> > Marc
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> > Martin
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> > Sent: 15 November 2009 00:38
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> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> > Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> > > Marc - What do you do to support your adrenals,
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> > kidneys and liver?
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> > There are a variety of supplements (and foods) which
> will
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> > help various
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> > organs. The specifics may vary by person depending on
> what
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> > they
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> > tolerate / do well on / are willing to do / can
> afford.
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> > Also, different
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> >
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> > doctors tend to prefer different brands of
> supplements, and
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> > also there
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> >
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> > are things available at health food stores or online
> that
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> > are different
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> > than what doctors tend to use.
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> > Over the years, I've noticed that I've done
> well
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> > with a doctors brand
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> > called "Standard Process", and they make a
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> > variety of supplements which
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> > support a variety of organs. For example:
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> > Adrenals: Adrenal Desicated, Drenamin, Drenatrophin
> PMG
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> > Kidneys: Arginex, Renatrophin PMG, Renafood, Albaplex
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> > Liver: Livaplex, Hepatrophin PMG, Spanish Black
> Radish, AF
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> > Betafood,
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> > Betacol, Cruciferous Complete, Garlic
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> > Also, to support liver detox via foods, you can try
> eating
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> > various
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> > foods which support detox (depending on what you are
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> > willing to eat and
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> > can tolerate): broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts,
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> > garlic, eggs,
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> > kale, beets.
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> > And to support the adrenals via food, make sure you
> are
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> > getting enough
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> > salt (probably unrefined sea salt is best).
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> > As for kidneys, drink a lot of water (preferably
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> > unchlorinated) .
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> > > My doctor wants to do a 6 hr urine provocation
> heavy
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> > metal test and
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> > > then IV chelation if I need it. I know, from
> testing
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> > > symptoms, that I have adrenal fatigue. I'm
> so
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> > fatigued and weak, I
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> > > can't imagine getting hit with IV drugs like
> that.
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> > Are those tests
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> > > safe? Are there other (less scary) things I could
> do
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> > instead?
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> > There are certainly some who would say that
> provocation
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> > tests and IV
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> > chelation are not safe. I personally would not do
> them. If
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> > your body
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> >
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> > cannot deal with the amount of metals that are
> unleashed
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> > into your
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> >
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> > system during such a test or IV, it may end up making
> you
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> > worse, and it
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> > may be difficult to get back to where you are now.
> There
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> > are alternate
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> > tests which don't require provocation -- hair
> mineral
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> > tests and urine
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> > porphyrin tests are the most commonly used. Also, one
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> > simple test for
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> > heavy metals is to try a small amount of a known
> heavy
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> > metal chelator and
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> > see how you feel. If have an adverse reaction, that
> it
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> > pretty much an
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> > indicator of toxicity.
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> > The busiest heavy metal chelation group on Yahoo that
> I
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> > know about is
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> > called "adult-metal- chelation" . I view
> this
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> > group with a bit of
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> > skepticism, as most of the people all chelate using
> one
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> > specific way,
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> > and they tend to badmouth other methods which seem
> just as
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> > good to me.
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> > They mostly use "frequent dose chelation",
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> > involves using a few
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> > known heavy metal chelators (DMSA, DMPS, or Alpha
> Lipoic
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> > Acid) in small
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> > amounts and at frequent intervals (every 3, 4, or 8
> hours
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> > rounds with 2 week breaks). However, some people even
> have
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> > bad
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> > reactions to this method, and may be better off trying
> some
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> > alternatives (liquid zeolite, powdered zeolite,
> chlorella,
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> > cilantro,
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> > NDF, OSR), or simply focusing on rebuilding their
> detox
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> > organs and
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> >
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> > letting their body eliminate the metals at its own
> rate (in
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> > a case, you might want to add some relatively
> harmless
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> > which will bind to toxins in your intestines --
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> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:13 PM
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> Hi Cheryl,
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> Fatigue is what transpires from a short time span of
> deficiency.  Disease is what might transpire from a long
> time span of deficiency.  A.fatigue--can be easily
> addressed by nutrition but A disease might be permanent
> damage.
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> My best to you,
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> Diane
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> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com>
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
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> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:26 PM
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> Hi Diane,
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> Thanks and I will print this out also. So much info to
> absorb all at one time!
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> What is the difference between adrenal fatigue and adrenal
> disease?
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
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> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
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> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
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> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> > Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:45 AM
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> > Hi Cheryl and Marc,
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> > The adrenals and the organs of the lymphatic system
> use all
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> > the same nutrients.  So when your lymphatic system is
> taxed
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> > by getting toxins out (or trying to unsuccessfully) ,
> it
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> > uses huge reserves of nutrients which then causes
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> > deficiency of those nutrients to the rest of your
> body. 
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> > Your adrenals then have little to keep them going. 
> Then
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> > you have the side-effect of adrenal fatigue and
> sometimes
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> > outright adrenal disease as a side-effect of your
> body
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> > dealing with toxins (any toxin, not just metal
> toxins). 
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> > Taking supplements for the liver helps the adrenals
> in
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> > several ways--the liver is part of the lymphatic
> system and
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> > helps to detox wastes.  The more efficiently it does
> this,
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> > the fewer nutrients, over-all, are used and the
> faster
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> > toxins leave your body.  Your lymphatic system will
> run
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> > better as a result (but remember that the liver is
> only one
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> > organ of the lymphatics-- the kidneys, skin, and
> lungs, plus
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> > the overall lymphatic plumbing are also
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> >
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> > involved.)  Liver supplementation also helps directly
> by
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> > supplying the body with more nutrients which the
> adrenals
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> > can also use.
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> > Diane
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> > --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
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> > com> wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
>
> > com>
>
> >
>
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
>
> >
>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.
>
> > com
>
> >
>
> > Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:06 PM
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >  
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> >
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> >
>
> > > What you wrote was of extreme interest to me
> since
>
> > I have suffered from
>
> >
>
> > > metal poisoning and have adrenal
> fatigue. However, I
>
> > do have a question.
>
> >
>
> > > How exactly do the two relate? Does the strain
> put on
>
> > the liver from the
>
> >
>
> > > metal poisoning cause the adrenal fatigue? If so
>
> > then would taking liver
>
> >
>
> > > cleansing supplements aid in adrenal function?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I've read that if one has weakened adrenals, then
> the
>
> > body will get mineral
>
> >
>
> > imbalances just from that. So the root problem may not
> be
>
> > the exposure to
>
> >
>
> > heavy metals, but rather the weakend organs that
> cannot
>
> > keep the body
>
> >
>
> > in balance. So supporting the adrenals (and also the
> liver
>
> > and kidneys,
>
> >
>
> > which will have more to do with properly functioning
>
> > adrenals) should help
>
> >
>
> > all by itself. But many doctors tend to ignore this,
> and
>
> > instead try to
>
> >
>
> > pull out the metals without supporting the adrenals,
> liver,
>
> > and kidneys.
>
> >
>
> > Which for some people leads to disaster, as their
> organs
>
> > are further
>
> >
>
> > damaged by the extra metals circulating in their
>
> > bloodstream.
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> >
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> >
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> > Marc
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> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:13 PM
>
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>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
>  
>
> Fatigue is what transpires from a short time span of
> deficiency.  Disease is what might transpire from a long
> time span of deficiency.  A.fatigue--can be easily
> addressed by nutrition but A disease might be permanent
> damage.
>
>  
>
> My best to you,
>
> Diane
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
>
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:26 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane,
>
>
>
> Thanks and I will print this out also. So much info to
> absorb all at one time!
>
>
>
> What is the difference between adrenal fatigue and adrenal
> disease?
>
>
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
>
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> > Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:45 AM
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Hi Cheryl and Marc,
>
> >
>
> >  
>
> >
>
> > The adrenals and the organs of the lymphatic system
> use all
>
> > the same nutrients.  So when your lymphatic system is
> taxed
>
> > by getting toxins out (or trying to unsuccessfully) ,
> it
>
> > uses huge reserves of nutrients which then causes
>
> > deficiency of those nutrients to the rest of your
> body. 
>
> > Your adrenals then have little to keep them going. 
> Then
>
> > you have the side-effect of adrenal fatigue and
> sometimes
>
> > outright adrenal disease as a side-effect of your
> body
>
> > dealing with toxins (any toxin, not just metal
> toxins). 
>
> > Taking supplements for the liver helps the adrenals
> in
>
> > several ways--the liver is part of the lymphatic
> system and
>
> > helps to detox wastes.  The more efficiently it does
> this,
>
> > the fewer nutrients, over-all, are used and the
> faster
>
> > toxins leave your body.  Your lymphatic system will
> run
>
> > better as a result (but remember that the liver is
> only one
>
> > organ of the lymphatics-- the kidneys, skin, and
> lungs, plus
>
> > the overall lymphatic plumbing are also
>
> >
>
> > involved.)  Liver supplementation also helps directly
> by
>
> > supplying the body with more nutrients which the
> adrenals
>
> > can also use.
>
> >
>
> >  
>
> >
>
> > Diane
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
>
> > com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries.
>
> > com>
>
> >
>
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
>
> >
>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups.
>
> > com
>
> >
>
> > Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:06 PM
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >  
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > What you wrote was of extreme interest to me
> since
>
> > I have suffered from
>
> >
>
> > > metal poisoning and have adrenal
> fatigue. However, I
>
> > do have a question.
>
> >
>
> > > How exactly do the two relate? Does the strain
> put on
>
> > the liver from the
>
> >
>
> > > metal poisoning cause the adrenal fatigue? If so
>
> > then would taking liver
>
> >
>
> > > cleansing supplements aid in adrenal function?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I've read that if one has weakened adrenals, then
> the
>
> > body will get mineral
>
> >
>
> > imbalances just from that. So the root problem may not
> be
>
> > the exposure to
>
> >
>
> > heavy metals, but rather the weakend organs that
> cannot
>
> > keep the body
>
> >
>
> > in balance. So supporting the adrenals (and also the
> liver
>
> > and kidneys,
>
> >
>
> > which will have more to do with properly functioning
>
> > adrenals) should help
>
> >
>
> > all by itself. But many doctors tend to ignore this,
> and
>
> > instead try to
>
> >
>
> > pull out the metals without supporting the adrenals,
> liver,
>
> > and kidneys.
>
> >
>
> > Which for some people leads to disaster, as their
> organs
>
> > are further
>
> >
>
> > damaged by the extra metals circulating in their
>
> > bloodstream.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Marc
>
> >
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>
> Hi again, Amy, and Ian
>  
> I agree with all that Ian has said here, Amy.  It is useless to chelate until your body is strong enough to do it and your liver and lymphatic system are working fairly well.  I wrote about recovering from CFS andFM, but what I didn't tell you was it took over a decade to do it.  And I made huge mistakes all along the way, some of those mistakes being doing things out of order and then having to address all the fall-out from that.  You need to talk over your situation with your doctor and make an overall plan.  If your doctor doesn't see this as necessary then he has not done enough research yet.  He needs to get up to speed. 
>  
> I went to a very EMS knowledgeable homeopath this past winter.  He had his standard plan which he was going to use for me.  It didn't work--his standard plan included the "crash and burn" mentality of over-detoxing and not dealing effectively with the consequences.  Your doctor needs to be aware that that will not work for you.  It could be tho that this doctor does have a plan that deals with getting toxins out and getting you built up, but he wants tests to see what he is dealing with first.  (But it sounds like he perhaps is not realistic in the type of testing he thinks you can handle.  Some mainstream docs refuse to do hair analysis and the like.) 
>  
> Btw, I remember why my heavy metals test failed the first time--my metalswere in my organs and bone marrow and I had to have molybdenum to leach the metals out into my blood stream so they could be measured.  This was prior to my realizing I had a molybdenum deficiency caused by my gf diet. 
>
> Be well, dear;  I hope this doc works for you,
> Diane
> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:08 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Amy,
>
> I'd strongly support what Marc says about being careful with chelation.
> Often, heavy metals have become a problem and caused the symptoms because
> the body has already been badly weakened, particularly the liver. Adrenal
> fatigue is often linked to this. Often ES comes along with MCS, ME, chronic
> fatigue, gut disorders and other similar problems. The snag is that if you
> try to chelate while the body is still very weak, the liver in particular
> may be unable to handle the heavy metals released by chelation and it can
> even make things worse. Often chelation is done as part of more extensive
> protocols adding other things like intravenous vitamin C or activated
> charcoal to try to mop up the "nasties" which are released.
>
> But as Marc says, it's often best to try to strengthen your system first,so
> that you can cope better with chelation if it's necessary. The snag is that
> the underlying causes are often different for different people, and so what
> helps one person may not help another. In previous messages various people
> have reported their experiences, e.g. different liver metabolic pathways not
> working so that the body can't process certain chemicals. There's even an
> (expensive) genetic test now which can identify missing liver function genes
> (but also argument on whether anyone yet really knows how to interpret the
> test). Certainly my wife Sue, who is ES, has been hugely helped by
> glutathione, whereas it has negative effects on Marc; but there are other
> supplements that they both benefit from. "Try it and see" seems the best
> way with most of these things at the moment. So far I don't think anyone in
> the world has 100% understanding of all the medical issues and how they
> interact, although some doctors, people and groups are certainly a lot
> further along than others.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf OfMarc
> Martin
> Sent: 15 November 2009 00:38
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
>
> > Marc - What do you do to support your adrenals, kidneys and liver?
>
> There are a variety of supplements (and foods) which will help various
> organs. The specifics may vary by person depending on what they
> tolerate / do well on / are willing to do / can afford. Also, different
> doctors tend to prefer different brands of supplements, and also there
> are things available at health food stores or online that are different
> than what doctors tend to use.
>
> Over the years, I've noticed that I've done well with a doctors brand
> called "Standard Process", and they make a variety of supplements which
> support a variety of organs. For example:
>
> Adrenals: Adrenal Desicated, Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG
> Kidneys: Arginex, Renatrophin PMG, Renafood, Albaplex
> Liver: Livaplex, Hepatrophin PMG, Spanish Black Radish, AF Betafood,
> Betacol, Cruciferous Complete, Garlic
>
> Also, to support liver detox via foods, you can try eating various
> foods which support detox (depending on what you are willing to eat and
> can tolerate): broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts, garlic, eggs,
> kale, beets.
>
> And to support the adrenals via food, make sure you are getting enough
> salt (probably unrefined sea salt is best).
>
> As for kidneys, drink a lot of water (preferably unchlorinated) .
>
> > My doctor wants to do a 6 hr urine provocation heavy metal test and
> > then IV chelation if I need it. I know, from testing as well as
> > symptoms, that I have adrenal fatigue. I'm so fatigued and weak, I
> > can't imagine getting hit with IV drugs like that. Are those tests
> > safe? Are there other (less scary) things I could do instead?
>
> There are certainly some who would say that provocation tests and IV
> chelation are not safe. I personally would not do them. If your body
> cannot deal with the amount of metals that are unleashed into your
> system during such a test or IV, it may end up making you worse, and it
> may be difficult to get back to where you are now. There are alternate
> tests which don't require provocation -- hair mineral tests and urine
> porphyrin tests are the most commonly used. Also, one simple test for
> heavy metals is to try a small amount of a known heavy metal chelator and
> see how you feel. If have an adverse reaction, that it pretty much an
> indicator of toxicity.
>
> The busiest heavy metal chelation group on Yahoo that I know about is
> called "adult-metal- chelation" . I view this group with a bit of
> skepticism, as most of the people all chelate using one specific way,
> and they tend to badmouth other methods which seem just as good to me.
> They mostly use "frequent dose chelation", which involves using a few
> known heavy metal chelators (DMSA, DMPS, or Alpha Lipoic Acid) in small
> amounts and at frequent intervals (every 3, 4, or 8 hours in 3-day
> rounds with 2 week breaks). However, some people even have bad
> reactions to this method, and may be better off trying some of the
> alternatives (liquid zeolite, powdered zeolite, chlorella, cilantro,
> NDF, OSR), or simply focusing on rebuilding their detox organs and
> letting their body eliminate the metals at its own rate (in such
> a case, you might want to add some relatively harmless things
> which will bind to toxins in your intestines -- activated charcoal
> or bentonite)
>
> Marc
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:33 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
>
>
> I think it can cut both ways. If you have severe heavy
> metal poisoning it
>
> can run down other parts of the body including liver and
> adrenals.
>
> Conversely, if the liver, adrenals and immune system are
> already weak, the
>
> body can start reacting to modest levels of chemicals,
> heavy metals, EMF
>
> etc. I think the second is more common, but that's
> just gut feel.
>
>
>
> Generally it seems to me as if our bodies are amazingly
> tolerant and robust,
>
> and it takes several things together to give problems.
> Standard "liver
>
> cleansing supplements" may help and should certainly
> do no harm (except to
>
> your pocket). However, if you're eating a healthy
> diet, taking lots of
>
> supplements but are still seriously ill or going downhill,
> then there must
>
> surely be some other major underlying root cause (gut,
> liver, mercury etc).
>
> Finding it is the difficult bit - which is chicken and
> which is egg.
>
>
>
> My wife Sue reacted badly to having 4 small mercury
> fillings removed and
>
> developed MCS and ES soon after. However, the amount
> involved was quite
>
> small and would probably not have been a problem if she
> hadn't already been
>
> ill from undiagnosed liver and gut problems. Also low
> thyroid, which may
>
> have been a consequence rather than a cause. Standard liver
> supplements
>
> hadn't been enough - more concentrated treatment was
> needed and has helped
>
> her significantly, so that the ES is manageable and MCS
> only a problem if
>
> she gets a sudden high exposure.
>
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups.
> com] On Behalf Of
>
> Cheryl Griffing
>
> Sent: 15 November 2009 07:37
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
>
>
>
> Hi Ian,
>
>
>
> What you wrote was of extreme interest to me since I have
> suffered from
>
> metal poisoning and have adrenal fatigue. However, I do
> have a question. How
>
> exactly do the two relate? Does the strain put on the liver
> from the metal
>
> poisoning cause the adrenal fatigue? If so then would
> taking liver cleansing
>
> supplements aid in adrenal function?
>
>
>
> I used chelation in the past when I had the metal poisoning
> quite severely;
>
> was weak, could hardly get out of bed some days, and only
> in my mid 30's at
>
> that time. The chelation, taken orally, did exhaust me at
> times but in the
>
> long run was helpful as I felt as though I may have died
> without it as I was
>
> so very ill back then. I just wish I knew then what I know
> now!
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Cheryl
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
>
> <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
> ukgateway.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.
> kemp%40ukgateway .net>
>
> ukgateway.net>
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] heavy metals
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups.
> com> com
>
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 5:08 PM
>
>
>
> Hi Amy,
>
>
>
> I'd strongly support what Marc says about being careful
> with chelation.
>
> Often, heavy metals have become a problem and caused the
> symptoms because
>
> the body has already been badly weakened, particularly the
> liver. Adrenal
>
> fatigue is often linked to this. Often ES comes along with
> MCS, ME, chronic
>
> fatigue, gut disorders and other similar problems. The snag
> is that if you
>
> try to chelate while the body is still very weak, the liver
> in particular
>
> may be unable to handle the heavy metals released by
> chelation and it can
>
> even make things worse. Often chelation is done as part of
> more extensive
>
> protocols adding other things like intravenous vitamin C or
> activated
>
> charcoal to try to mop up the "nasties" which are
> released.
>
>
>
> But as Marc says, it's often best to try to strengthen
> your system first, so
>
> that you can cope better with chelation if it's
> necessary. The snag is that
>
> the underlying causes are often different for different
> people, and so what
>
> helps one person may not help another. In previous messages
> various people
>
> have reported their experiences, e.g. different liver
> metabolic pathways not
>
> working so that the body can't process certain
> chemicals. There's even an
>
> (expensive) genetic test now which can identify missing
> liver function genes
>
> (but also argument on whether anyone yet really knows how
> to interpret the
>
> test). Certainly my wife Sue, who is ES, has been hugely
> helped by
>
> glutathione, whereas it has negative effects on Marc; but
> there are other
>
> supplements that they both benefit from. "Try it and
> see" seems the best
>
> way with most of these things at the moment. So far I
> don't think anyone in
>
> the world has 100% understanding of all the medical issues
> and how they
>
> interact, although some doctors, people and groups are
> certainly a lot
>
> further along than others.
>
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups.
> com] On Behalf Of
>
> Marc
>
> Martin
>
> Sent: 15 November 2009 00:38
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
>
>
>
> > Marc - What do you do to support your adrenals,
> kidneys and liver?
>
>
>
> There are a variety of supplements (and foods) which will
> help various
>
> organs. The specifics may vary by person depending on what
> they
>
> tolerate / do well on / are willing to do / can afford.
> Also, different
>
> doctors tend to prefer different brands of supplements, and
> also there
>
> are things available at health food stores or online that
> are different
>
> than what doctors tend to use.
>
>
>
> Over the years, I've noticed that I've done well
> with a doctors brand
>
> called "Standard Process", and they make a
> variety of supplements which
>
> support a variety of organs. For example:
>
>
>
> Adrenals: Adrenal Desicated, Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG
>
> Kidneys: Arginex, Renatrophin PMG, Renafood, Albaplex
>
> Liver: Livaplex, Hepatrophin PMG, Spanish Black Radish, AF
> Betafood,
>
> Betacol, Cruciferous Complete, Garlic
>
>
>
> Also, to support liver detox via foods, you can try eating
> various
>
> foods which support detox (depending on what you are
> willing to eat and
>
> can tolerate): broccoli, asparagus, brussel sprouts,
> garlic, eggs,
>
> kale, beets.
>
>
>
> And to support the adrenals via food, make sure you are
> getting enough
>
> salt (probably unrefined sea salt is best).
>
>
>
> As for kidneys, drink a lot of water (preferably
> unchlorinated) .
>
>
>
> > My doctor wants to do a 6 hr urine provocation heavy
> metal test and
>
> > then IV chelation if I need it. I know, from testing
> as well as
>
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> fatigued and weak, I
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> Are those tests
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> tests and IV
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> your body
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> system during such a test or IV, it may end up making you
> worse, and it
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> may be difficult to get back to where you are now. There
> are alternate
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> tests which don't require provocation -- hair mineral
> tests and urine
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> porphyrin tests are the most commonly used. Also, one
> simple test for
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> heavy metals is to try a small amount of a known heavy
> metal chelator and
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> see how you feel. If have an adverse reaction, that it
> pretty much an
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> indicator of toxicity.
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>
> The busiest heavy metal chelation group on Yahoo that I
> know about is
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> called "adult-metal- chelation" . I view this
> group with a bit of
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> skepticism, as most of the people all chelate using one
> specific way,
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> and they tend to badmouth other methods which seem just as
> good to me.
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> They mostly use "frequent dose chelation", which
> involves using a few
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> known heavy metal chelators (DMSA, DMPS, or Alpha Lipoic
> Acid) in small
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> amounts and at frequent intervals (every 3, 4, or 8 hours
> in 3-day
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> bad
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> reactions to this method, and may be better off trying some
> of the
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> alternatives (liquid zeolite, powdered zeolite, chlorella,
> cilantro,
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> NDF, OSR), or simply focusing on rebuilding their detox
> organs and
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> letting their body eliminate the metals at its own rate (in
> such
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> a case, you might want to add some relatively harmless
> things
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> which will bind to toxins in your intestines -- activated
> charcoal
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> And when you say plasma, is that just any big screen t.v.?
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> In my experience, which is merely shopping around for TVs
> in the electronics stores, the plasma TVs are the worst
> from an ES standpoint. I purchased an LCD TV
> which I don't think is bad at all.
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> far from my house the noise that was on my phone wire was easy to trace to
> the pole using an AM radio. I spoke to a telecoms engineer and he told me it
> was probably a digital Sky box emitting electrical impulse noise. So it
> did a check of approx 30 telecoms poles in the area and found only on one of
> them the same agressive fax type tone, which again I traced back to what
> can be seen from the window of the house a very large TV, Basically it would
> seem that the large plasma TVs say 40inch+ with thier high power demand
> are the culprits for this one not the sky boxes in this case.. I would
> hazzard a guess that TV s concerened may have had cheap power supply unit
> installed as a repair, certainly the Pioneer units seem to be a problem,the one t
> hat is litterally poisoning me rather like a verve agent,, is a Pioneer,
> but sadly I do not know the exact model. I think that the problem in this
> case is not common to all Plasma TVs but they will certainly turn your
> wiring into an RF emitter locally, but in my case the offending Plasma gives out
> signals both airborne and conducted up to 50m radius. It really is worthy
> of media attention. I have a Samsung 24inch LCD tv and find this pretty
> much ok observing all the usual ES parameters it does not seem to pollute my
> mains wiring eiether according to the AM radio.
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> It could, try drinking a single glass of salted
> water on an empty stomach (1/2 teaspoon dissolved in 6-8oz.)
> and see what it does to your thirst and wellbeing in
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> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com>
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
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> Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 7:34:01
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> Can this sodium depletion therefore cause excessive
> thirst?
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> Thanks,
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo.
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 17:50:23
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@
> yahoo.com>
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups.
> com
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> Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 7:34:01
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> Thanks,
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo.
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> From: Ole Alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:19 PM
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
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> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 17:50:23
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> Subject: Re: [eSens] heavy metals
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